CSpan 1 Now

[Razmear]

They are trying to get a rule change thru that will remove the requirement for 2/3 approval before a bill can be considered for 'same day consideration'.
I believe if this passes they can call any bill and vote with a simple majority without debate. This is the precursor to getting the bailout pushed thru without the normal Constitutional safeguards.

I'm not an expert, but it seems scary.

eb

[rajibo]

I was going to post this.:cool:

[Razmear]

I was going to post this.:cool:

You probably could have explained it better than me if you did.

eb

9/29/08 The Day America Died

[RSLudlum]

This is the precursor to getting the bailout pushed thru without the normal Constitutional safeguards.



Hence, "Martial Law"

[Razmear]

Hence, "Martial Law"

Were you watching CSpan? They actually put on the screen that this type of emergency rule change if reffered in the house as Martial Law.

Doesn't that give you a warm fuzzy feeling.

eb

[werdd]

Omfg....

[ItsTime]

these fucking bastards! Why are we not outside screaming yet?

[tropicangela]

What are they voting on now for the next 15 minutes? This?

[Razmear]

The rule change allows ANY bill presented today or tomorrow to be rushed to a vote without the normal committee process and without a 2/3s approval of the vote going forward.
I'm not an expert in this stuff, but it seems that they could put up any bill at 2am and whoever is still awake gets to vote and it's passed.
They refer to this type of rule suspension as a "martial law rule' in the house.

If anyone has anymore insight into this please share, I just flipped on CSpan as they brought the house back into session, but I can tell that we want a resounding NO on this one.

eb

[ItsTime]

The rule change allows ANY bill presented today or tomorrow to be rushed to a vote without the normal committee process and without a 2/3s approval of the vote going forward.
I'm not an expert in this stuff, but it seems that they could put up any bill at 2am and whoever is still awake gets to vote and it's passed.
They refer to this type of rule suspension as a "martial law rule' in the house.

If anyone has anymore insight into this please share, I just flipped on CSpan as they brought the house back into session, but I can tell that we want a resounding NO on this one.

eb

but on the top of the screen it says "allowing same-day debate on tax bill" so is that the opposite of what it really means?

[QueenB4Liberty]

:mad: omfg.

[Kludge]

They're voting on voting on it right now, I believe.

[ItsTime]

do they need 2/3 for a procedural vote?

[dawnbt]

Chick on now just said that Paulson will get the unlimited power he was hoping for!

[Razmear]

but on the top of the screen it says "allowing same-day debate on tax bill" so is that the opposite of what it really means?

I watched the Dem who introduced the rule change and she said 'any bill on sept 28 or 29', so the immediate effect tonight is this tax bill, but the rule change is for today and tomorrow so it will be in effect for the bail out bill too.

eb

[dawnbt]

http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN_wm.aspx

[dawnbt]

Paulson is still getting the money, but in installments! There fired!

[Kludge]

Gaaaaaaah.... Steny Hoyer and Charles Rangel on the same stage!

[afmatt]

Time remaining for the vote went to zero with the motion losing - but votes are still coming in apparently - wtf?

[Kludge]

Time remaining for the vote went to zero with the motion losing - but votes are still coming in apparently - wtf?

Well uhhh... see uhhh... They have to uhhh... verify the votes.

[ItsTime]

Time remaining for the vote went to zero with the motion losing - but votes are still coming in apparently - wtf?

that always happens

[Razmear]

Time remaining for the vote went to zero with the motion losing - but votes are still coming in apparently - wtf?

They always over run the timer. Do you really expect congress to stay within their allotted budgets?

eb

[ItsTime]

does this procedure bill need to get 2/3?

[jcarcinogen]

Rangel is calling the House Republicans unconstitutional? what type of doublespeak is this, our country is gone.

[TGautier421]

LOL at the 'NO!' yells. :p

[JenH88]

Update on this?

[Razmear]

Rule suspension passed. House is using Martial Law rules for today and tomorrow.
There are 8 dems that voted against, all reps voted against.

All but about 20 members of the house are present in the chambers, expect things to go down hill rapidly now.

eb

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

"We made it clear to our members that we expect as many of them who can vote for it to vote for it." Sounds like they had to decide how many votes they needed, and who was in safe enough districts to be able to vote for it.

[rajibo]

Is Dr. Paul there? I don't see any Nays on the screen.

[Kludge]

Is Dr. Paul there? I don't see any Nays on the screen.

What's on now is a different vote.

[jlaker]

whHHAAAAT! OMG.

[Dorfsmith]

"We made it clear to our members that we expect as many of them who can vote for it to vote for it." Sounds like they had to decide how many votes they needed, and who was in safe enough districts to be able to vote for it.

You read my mind!

[hillertexas]

Is Dr. Paul there? I don't see any Nays on the screen.

I think I saw Ron wandering around on the floor

[justinc.1089]

Is the stuff on right now the bail out bill?

[Bruno]

Did i just hear that the vote will be tomorrow?
btw- this is more chaos than i have ever seen on the floor

[JenH88]

Rule suspension passed. House is using Martial Law rules for today and tomorrow.
There are 8 dems that voted against, all reps voted against.

All but about 20 members of the house are present in the chambers, expect things to go down hill rapidly now.

eb

F*CK F*CK F*CK F*CK.. :mad:

[JenH88]

You read my mind!

+1.. my thoughts as well..

[rajibo]

I feel like I'm back in grade school. "Children, Be Quiet!"

[JenH88]

Please tell me someone had the foresight to youtube this..

[Vote Waterman 2028]

so what was the outcome, updates, is this still going on on cspan coverage?

[Kludge]

Lmfao... Hoyer is criticizing excessive spending under the Republican administration, citing that Bush has spent over 2x Clinton.

[RSLudlum]

Cheney "Debt doesn't matter" LMFAO!!!!!!

[BeFranklin]

The rule change allows ANY bill presented today or tomorrow to be rushed to a vote without the normal committee process and without a 2/3s approval of the vote going forward.


Ok, but the abolish the federal reserve act on the floor.

[AJ Antimony]

Ok, but the abolish the federal reserve act on the floor.

Yeah so lets get Paul's bills on the floor at 3 am and they can all pass with a 1-0 vote.

[tropicangela]

Lmfao... Hoyer is criticizing excessive spending under the Republican administration, citing that Bush has spent over 2x Clinton.

They keep blaming this all on the Bush Administration. Aren't they going to take any responsibility for giving Bush all this power to fund the war etc?

[kathy88]

Yeah so lets get Paul's bills on the floor at 3 am and they can all pass with a 1-0 vote.


fuckin' A

[misericordia]

NO FED 3am yeah.

[heavenlyboy34]

They keep blaming this all on the Bush Administration. Aren't they going to take any responsibility for giving Bush all this power to fund the war etc?

don't plan on it. :mad:

[TGautier421]

Ok, but the abolish the federal reserve act on the floor.

Good thinking... I wonder if Dr. Paul is pushing for it right now or tomorrow...

[erika]

Someone get Ron Paul some caffeine.

[TGautier421]

For real. Maybe he's like grabbed a few people by the side and told them about it, and they'll wait till like 3:00 am to throw it out there. Make sure you got a few promised 'yays' if you know what I mean. That would be enormous, this entire night would be a pretty effing historical night.

Yeah... wishful thinking I know. :mad:

[Ex Post Facto]

This is a dick swinging contest.

[RSLudlum]

Kucinich just blasted our "debt based monetary system"!!! Hell yeah! :)

[Ex Post Facto]

Kucinich just blasted our "debt based monetary system"!!! Hell yeah! :)

Yes he did. He said "there was a saying that if you dig a hole deep enough then you could reach China. We've just reached China."

[Vote Waterman 2028]

so i just finished watching a movie (v for vendetta) but what have i missed, did the legislation pass to put aside the 2/3 vote for the next two days? someone fill me in please....:confused:

[RSLudlum]

that was a pretty good one...I think I've travelled to an alternate universe where Democrats argue against gov't intervention while Repub's accept it with open arms. :confused: :p

[Vote Waterman 2028]

will someone explain what they are trying to get done right now? im lost as if this debate on cspan is worht watching and if so why? ......:confused:

[Ex Post Facto]

I think they are looking at the long term problems with the economy right now. The Republican said they will vote on this rule within an hour.

[Ex Post Facto]

House adjourned until Monday 8am...There doesn't appear to be a vote on the rule change.

[Ex Post Facto]

Now it's Pelosi...you can turn it off :)

[Razmear]

House adjourned until Monday 8am...There doesn't appear to be a vote on the rule change.

The vote on the rule change was about 15 minutes after I did the OP and it passed.
All reps were against and all but 8 dems were for.

eb

[JenH88]

The vote on the rule change was about 15 minutes after I did the OP and it passed.
All reps were against and all but 8 dems were for.

eb

Thanx for reaffirming this..