View Full Version : Thomas Jefferson predicting all of this..
socialize_me
09-27-2008, 12:39 PM
I know many of you probably have read or heard this quote somewhere, but its eloquence is truly a beauty. If we're all conspiracy theorists, then Thomas Jefferson was the Alex Jones of his day:
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.
-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to the Secretary of the Treasury Albert Gallatin (1802)
3rd president of US (1743 - 1826)
What are we doing now?? Inflating like crazy (and have been for a long time) our currency. Then, we'll start the contraction with interest rates ~30%...sad sad time, and Americans just don't understand what's really going on. They blame there wasn't enough regulation, but even if you know nothing about monetary policy or the Federal Reserve, you have to ask yourself this: Wasn't the Federal Reserve created to stop all of this from happening?? The Federal Reserve's main objective (According to them) is to maintain low inflation, yet the Dollar has lost over 96% of its depreciating value since the Fed was created. We have these bank runs now worldwide today, and yet the Fed was supposed to end that was it not?? I mean these questions would connect very well with people who have very little knowledge of the Federal Reserve. Most people in high school learn that the Fed was created to stop all the banking panics, yet here we are today. I think people would wake up if they had this picture drawn for them.
Nate K
09-27-2008, 12:41 PM
wow.. and he's even dead
Bruno
09-27-2008, 12:43 PM
Thanks for sharing that. Our founding fathers knew far more than we even give them credit for.
Truth Warrior
09-27-2008, 12:46 PM
If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.
Thomas Jefferson
oilboiler
09-27-2008, 12:54 PM
http://www.thelastoutpost.com/site/1311/default.aspx
TGautier421
09-27-2008, 01:07 PM
Well, on the flip side, he did create the Democratic-Republican Party that dominated American politics for a quarter of a century... that is, before they decided to split and run against each other, fooling everyone into believing they actually had conflicting interests.
I really wish there would be another Age of Enlightenment.
jbuttell
09-27-2008, 02:50 PM
Thanks for sharing that. Our founding fathers knew far more than we even give them credit for.
Yeah seriously. Just frustrates me to no end when I hear someone say, in defense of some of the unconstitutional legislation that comes up for debate, "Well, things are much different than they were back in the days of our forefathers - they couldn't possibly understood the kinds of issues we're dealing with today"
socialize_me
09-27-2008, 03:05 PM
Yeah seriously. Just frustrates me to no end when I hear someone say, in defense of some of the unconstitutional legislation that comes up for debate, "Well, things are much different than they were back in the days of our forefathers - they couldn't possibly understood the kinds of issues we're dealing with today"
You know what I say to fuckheads like that? I tell them let's just abolish the Constitution then. Can you write one better?? If not, shut the fuck up. I guess things like the Right to Bear Arms, Right to a Speedy Trial, Freedom of Speech/Assembly/Press/Petition/Religion, etc. are all just irrelevant in today's world. Point out one thing in the Constitution that is obsolete today. Whether or not we follow parts of the Constitution is a different argument, but could someone please tell me how those liberties guaranteed to us are somehow obsolete in today's world??
Oh and what makes us think we're better than civilizations or people centuries ago?? I find it offensive how we treat previous civilizations as being so primitive. We marvel in how these people managed to get along, yet I'm sure if they were alive today they'd punch us in the face for being so fucking retarded. For whatever reason, owning a laptop means you're better than Ben Franklin because you have something he didn't or couldn't invent. Seriously, do we measure whether or not we're more sophisticated as a society by comparing technological advances?? The idea of a Republic arose from the Greeks who studied ancient Persian empires. Isn't it ironic how the first concepts of human rights guaranteed to people under a form of Government were introduced by an absolute ruler in the King of Persia? What's more is that ancient Persia lies in the Axis of Evil; Iran. The Cyrus Cylinder is pretty cool...read up on it and that'll tell you how the Greeks basically seized most of the credit for the ideas of human rights. Amazing how the Founders were able to studied the Republics in ancient Europe and use those principles to model our form of Government after them. That was 2,000 years before America's time, yet they didn't say "Ohh those ideas don't match up with our times", yet we get off thinking that the Constitution, written in a time frame 10 times less than that of Plato's Republic, is irrelevant in today's world. Unfuckingbelievable.
Truth Warrior
09-27-2008, 03:13 PM
Even this raises issues still relevant to this very day.<IMHO> ;)
Index to the Antifederalist Papers
http://www.wepin.com/articles/afp/index.htm (http://www.wepin.com/articles/afp/index.htm)
JohnMeridith
09-27-2008, 03:25 PM
You know what I say to fuckheads like that? I tell them let's just abolish the Constitution then. Can you write one better?? If not, shut the fuck up. I guess things like the Right to Bear Arms, Right to a Speedy Trial, Freedom of Speech/Assembly/Press/Petition/Religion, etc. are all just irrelevant in today's world. Point out one thing in the Constitution that is obsolete today. Whether or not we follow parts of the Constitution is a different argument, but could someone please tell me how those liberties guaranteed to us are somehow obsolete in today's world??
Oh and what makes us think we're better than civilizations or people centuries ago?? I find it offensive how we treat previous civilizations as being so primitive. We marvel in how these people managed to get along, yet I'm sure if they were alive today they'd punch us in the face for being so fucking retarded. For whatever reason, owning a laptop means you're better than Ben Franklin because you have something he didn't or couldn't invent. Seriously, do we measure whether or not we're more sophisticated as a society by comparing technological advances?? The idea of a Republic arose from the Greeks who studied ancient Persian empires. Isn't it ironic how the first concepts of human rights guaranteed to people under a form of Government were introduced by an absolute ruler in the King of Persia? What's more is that ancient Persia lies in the Axis of Evil; Iran. The Cyrus Cylinder is pretty cool...read up on it and that'll tell you how the Greeks basically seized most of the credit for the ideas of human rights. Amazing how the Founders were able to studied the Republics in ancient Europe and use those principles to model our form of Government after them. That was 2,000 years before America's time, yet they didn't say "Ohh those ideas don't match up with our times", yet we get off thinking that the Constitution, written in a time frame 10 times less than that of Plato's Republic, is irrelevant in today's world. Unfuckingbelievable.
The sad thing is that people in this country only need to study the founders of this country to learn EVERYTHING they need to know about how a modern, free society should work. They knew it all and compressed thousands of years of knowledge into less than a century of history for us.
Kludge
09-27-2008, 03:32 PM
Never listen to the words of a dead man.
Truth Warrior
09-27-2008, 03:33 PM
Never listen to the words of a dead man.
That just explains a WHOLE LOT about you.<IMHO> BTW, it's NOT good. ;)
forsmant
09-27-2008, 03:35 PM
I am reading a book on Jefferson right now. He was quite radical. "The earth belongs to the living"
Truth Warrior
09-27-2008, 03:39 PM
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/t/thomas_jefferson.html (http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/t/thomas_jefferson.html) :cool: ;)
lynnf
09-27-2008, 03:56 PM
Never listen to the words of a dead man.
that is a bad idea:
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
George Santayana
lynn
Kludge
09-27-2008, 04:00 PM
that is a bad idea:
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
George Santayana
lynn
Those who are dead failed to live and so their life was trivial. My life will likely be trivial in the grand scheme of things. Oh well.
SeanEdwards
09-27-2008, 04:41 PM
I am reading a book on Jefferson right now. He was quite radical. "The earth belongs to the living"
He also said, " Sally Heming's ass belongs to me."
socialize_me
09-28-2008, 12:55 AM
He also said, " Sally Heming's ass belongs to me."
So what you're saying is that Jefferson did it all for the nookie??
EndTheFed
09-28-2008, 01:16 AM
That just explains a WHOLE LOT about you.<IMHO> BTW, it's NOT good. ;)
Yes... His comment made no since.. adreed completely..
WOW... Warrior and I agree... amazing..
:)
Those who are dead failed to live and so their life was trivial. My life will likely be trivial in the grand scheme of things. Oh well.
Ummm. You've found the fountain of youth... Or maybe the Holy Grail granting everlasting mortal life? Please share if you have. Or if you're current thought process is from something you are smoking I ask you to please share again so we can all be on that level.
Truth Warrior
09-28-2008, 01:20 AM
Yes... His comment made no since.. adreed completely..
WOW... Warrior and I agree... amazing..
:) I agree with ending the Fed too, intolerantly. ;)
Miracles DO happen. :D
No1ButPaul08
09-28-2008, 02:19 AM
I am reading a book on Jefferson right now. He was quite radical. "The earth belongs to the living"
I would like to see what context the author puts Jefferson's quote. The quote comes from a letter to Madison with the same title as the quote. In the letter, Jefferson argues that no generation has a right to burden the next generation with debt. He sees a generation as 19 years and that no debt should be contracted out any longer than that. He also believes that each 19 year generation has no obligation to pay any of the previous generations debt
On similar ground it may be proved that no society can make a perpetual constitution, or even a perpetual law. The earth belongs always to the living generation. They may manage it then, and what proceeds from it, as they please, during their usufruct. They are masters too of their own persons, and consequently may govern them as they please. But persons and property make the sum of the objects of government. The constitution and the laws of their predecessors extinguished them, in their natural course, with those whose will gave them being. This could preserve that being till it ceased to be itself, and no longer. Every constitution, then, and every law, naturally expires at the end of 19. years. If it be enforced longer, it is an act of force and not of right.
The Earth Belongs to the Living (http://http://lachlan.bluehaze.com.au/lit/jeff03.htm)
mediahasyou
09-28-2008, 08:15 AM
"That government is best, which governs least." - Thomas Jefferson
Kludge
09-28-2008, 08:52 AM
Ummm. You've found the fountain of youth... Or maybe the Holy Grail granting everlasting mortal life? Please share if you have. Or if you're current thought process is from something you are smoking I ask you to please share again so we can all be on that level.
No, hence why my life will likely ultimately be trivial.
forsmant
09-28-2008, 09:28 AM
I would like to see what context the author puts Jefferson's quote. The quote comes from a letter to Madison with the same title as the quote. In the letter, Jefferson argues that no generation has a right to burden the next generation with debt. He sees a generation as 19 years and that no debt should be contracted out any longer than that. He also believes that each 19 year generation has no obligation to pay any of the previous generations debt
The Earth Belongs to the Living (http://http://lachlan.bluehaze.com.au/lit/jeff03.htm)
The author was talking about the permanent revolution of 19 years.
SeanEdwards
09-28-2008, 09:36 AM
So what you're saying is that Jefferson did it all for the nookie??
I'm just trying to knock the slave-master Jefferson off his pedestal of godhood. He was a brilliant guy, but he was also a backstabbing two-faced prick.
puppetmaster
09-29-2008, 07:06 AM
Bump. I just read this to a poker table in vegas. Venetian. They all said. WOW
Truth Warrior
09-29-2008, 07:14 AM
T J wasn't the only one. ;)
Index to the Antifederalist Papers
http://www.wepin.com/articles/afp/index.htm
TruckinMike
09-29-2008, 08:40 AM
I'm just trying to knock the slave-master Jefferson off his pedestal of godhood. He was a brilliant guy, but he was also a backstabbing two-faced prick.
Keep that attitude, spread that attitude, and you will find the chains of slavery around your neck. Don't be such a fool. If you were born into a slave owning household, what makes you think that you would not own any? Your superiority? Your self-righteous elitism? Wake up and stop dreaming about yourself being the great gift to the world. We are all products of our imperfect fore-fathers and society as a whole. Don't ever forget that your insight was HANDED to you on a silver platter. Get off the high horse.
TMike
Truth Warrior
09-29-2008, 08:45 AM
Maybe in a couple of hundred more years from now, folks will just look back and say, "What a bunch of clueless frickin' idiots they were in 2008. :rolleyes:". :D
wizardwatson
09-29-2008, 08:50 AM
I'm just trying to knock the slave-master Jefferson off his pedestal of godhood. He was a brilliant guy, but he was also a backstabbing two-faced prick.
This begs the question, who had/has it worse?
A slave in the Jefferson household, or a wage slave under the Republicrat regime of 2008?
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