** The Emergency Preparedness Thread **

[RonPaulVolunteer]

This is something I have wanted to do for about a month. There's a lot of people that have not got any idea how to prepare for a meltdown. So this original post is going to updated as your ideas come in so we can have something fresh and up-to-date that we can simply copy and paste to email to others and point people to.

Post your ideas here about food and other necessities you'll need and where to buy it. Logistical step a person should take. Tips of all kinds. Whatever you think is good to know in the midst of a total meltdown. Like, the power is off for the next week, now what?? I will do my best to summarize everyone's ideas and I will simply keep updating all the information into this original post below once a day.

And Josh, do you think we could have this stickied by any chance? I think its important.

Shopping list -

Food:
Toilet paper.
Toothpaste
Egg powder.
Milk powder (not from China).
All kinds of canned food.
Water only pancake batter.
Dried fruit (apricots, cherries, blueberries etc...)
Cooking oil
Sport drink powder mix - EmergencyC is good!
Mainstay Emergency Food Rations.
Wheat and dehulled barley seed, good for sprouting, eat wheat and barley grass (3-5 days growth). Inexpensive and nutritious.
Sea salt. (Forget expensive sports drinks for rehydration, a bit sea salt will provide you with electrolytes.)
Multi-vitamin tablets.
Bottled water. Not a replacement for getting water purification supplies but good to have on hand.
Rice in airtight containers.
Pro-Biotics (these fight bad bacteria in the gut)
Baby formula/food
Beef jerkey


Places to buy long-life food from:
http://www.aaoobfoods.com/
http://www.efoodsdirect.com


Water purification:
Berkey water filter.
Katadyn pocket water filters.


Non-Food Essentials:
First aid kit. The bigger the better.
Honey. (As an antibiotic.) Can be applies directly to burns and scrapes.
Colloidal silver.
Flashlights - Solar/Battery/Crank.
Batteries - you can find solar battery rechargers online fairly cheap.
Radios - Solar/Battery/Crank.
Guns and Ammo
2-way radios in case cell networks go down. Get the longest range ones you can.
Iodine for water sanitation/disinfectant and treating wounds, performing surgery.
A good dog - Remember it's another mouth to feed though, and they don't like veggies.
Plain non-scented bleach. Cleans, disinfects, and 8 drops per gallon of water can be used to purify it. (http://www.thefarm.org/charities/i4at/surv/bleach.htm)
A generator. Good for keeping the fridge going at least.
A BBQ with several gas bottle. Provides heat, and a way to cook, and will help build community.
Borax and hard laundry soap.
A clothesline and pegs.
Vinegar
Baking soda
Seeds
Extra firewood (double what you normally would do)
Pain killers
Duct tape
Pet supplies/food
Matches/lighters
Storage containers!!! bins, tubs etc....
Drums for storing water
Hydrogen Peroxide.
Anti-biotics.
Feminine sanitary products
Diapers
Wipes (comes in handy for everyone (hand cleaning) when water supply is off
No water required hand soap
Extra socks in bug out bag. Socks can substitute for gloves to keep warm.
A leatherman-type pocket tool or genuine swiss army knife, or both.
Hammer and nails and screwdriver and wood and metal screws.


Place to buy non-food essentials:
http://www.emergencyessentials.com

Places to buy silver and gold from:
Many people say to keep some silver coins on hand. I prefer to put that money into long life food, but I do have some silver.
http://AJPM.com/ At least one person has purchased from here personally and recommends them.


Other tips:
Make sure you have more than one pair of glasses. Don't rely on contacts and contact solution. If it was a really bad collapse, you would be screwed.
A good bug-out pack incase you had to get out quick.
Make friends with local farmers... they'll probably still be producing plenty of food, but they'll have a hard time selling it and transporting it to people that will buy it.
Establish trade within your community, and figure out what you can produce to trade with.
People are safer in groups. If things get really bad, a commune on decent land with good water could make it through anything... that's what people did for thousands and thousands of years.
Get a reliable bike... it beats walking when you can't get gas to drive
http://www.buildanark.net/ has a lot of sound advice. Check it out.

VIDEOS:
How to prepare food for long life storage.
Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW7_cTn6YpE
Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PylQCiFBtH4
Part 3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfcWNOWUit8

Remember, September is Emergency Preparedness month (http://www.ready.gov/america/npm07/)

[ItsTime]

water only pancake batter. sport drink powder mix. Things that are sometimes over looked

[eric_cartman]

Long Term Food Storage Video

part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW7_cTn6YpE

part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PylQCiFBtH4

part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfcWNOWUit8

[travismofo]

Bought $900 in gold and silver in the past 2 weeks and will have both credit cards payed off within a month. I plan to spend at least $600 / month in precious metals.

[enjerth]

Katadyn pocket water filters.

Mainstay Emergency Food Rations.

Wheat and dehulled barley seed, good for sprouting, eat wheat and barley grass (3-5 days growth). Inexpensive and nutritious.

Sea salt. (Forget expensive sports drinks for rehydration, a bit sea salt will provide you with electrolytes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt#Health_effects).)

Honey. (As an antibiotic (http://www.worldwidewounds.com/2001/november/Molan/honey-as-topical-agent.html).)

First aid kit.

Remember, September is Emergency Preparedness month (http://www.ready.gov/america/npm07/).

[hopeforamerica]

Berkey water filter!

efoodsdirect.com

[KevinR]

Anything in a can

(Giant sells this "Guaranteed Value" brand, which is much cheaper than giant brand. They have assorted canned goods and cereals. I'm going shopping over the weekend to Shopper's and Costco to see what else I can stock up on.)

[georgiapeach]

Flashlights- wind up ones are better than nothing but not as bright IMO as regular ones.
Batteries - you can also find solar battery rechargers online fairly cheap.
Radios - wind-up weather radios are pretty inexpensive. May want to consider communication devices, but IDK which ones would be best. I guess it depends on the situation.

[hopeforamerica]

Good stuff found here:

emergencyessentials.com

Don't forget your medical supplies!

[JoshLowry]

Make sure you have more than one pair of glasses.

Don't rely on contacts and contact solution.

If it was a really bad collapse, you would be screwed.

[PAULinSC]

multi-vitamins

bottled water. not a replacement for getting water purification supplies but it would be nice to have clean water on hand with a 2 year shelf life. Walmart here sells 3 liter Deer Park water for $1 each. I've built my supply up to 16 and they fit nicely under the bottom shelf in my linen closet.

Canned foods that don't need water added and are already cooked. You also need to maintain a good balance of protein and carbs. These are cheap and suitable for a bug-in scenario where you aren't worried about excessive weight.

Guns and Ammo

Solar/Battery/Crank radio to hear about wtf is going on.

A good bug-out pack incase you had to get out quick.

Two-way radio for communication with nearby friends incase the cell network goes down.

[Kotin]

get a damn gun.

[slothman]

Why sea salt instead of regular, iodized or not, salt?

[cradle2graveconservative]

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[RonPaulVolunteer]

Why sea salt instead of regular, iodized or not, salt?

Because it contains other essential minerals.

[freelance]

water only pancake batter. sport drink powder mix. Things that are sometimes over looked

Some type of electrolyte-balancing drink--I like SmartWater. The stress is going to get to you--B12 (specifically) also for the stress.

[constituent]

povidone iodine (you can no longer buy tincture in the U.S.) for water sanitation/disinfectant.


a damned good dog

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Some type of electrolyte-balancing drink--I like SmartWater. The stress is going to get to you--B12 (specifically) also for the stress.

EmergenC already listed.

[cradle2graveconservative]

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[MsDoodahs]

See our own "Freedom Living" Subforum for more ideas...

:)

[Ozwest]

So...

You are going to run for"them thar hills."

You sound like mice in a maze.

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Bleach works as well, I believe it's 1/4 cup to every gallon of water.

WHOA there boy... not quite unless you want to die.

Try 8 DROPS!

[cradle2graveconservative]

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[MsDoodahs]

And don't use SCENTED or other 'additived up' bleach.

For water sanitation purposes you only want PLAIN BLEACH.

[Micah Dardar]

If you live in any of the hurricane effected areas, you may still be able to get MRE's. I would suggest stocking up on those if you can to feed yourself and whoever you choose to have on your team.

[hopeforamerica]

So...

You are going to run for"them thar hills."

You sound like mice in a maze.

You seem to think that Australia is immune to the problems the US faces. Hope you take notes.

[Erazmus]

I have the majority of the things on your list, plus the hand crank radio / flashlight. In addition is the following.

I have 150 pounds of Rice in air tight containers. Also, I have a generator for times when power goes out. It's good to keep just the refrigerator going. I have several propane tanks for my Bar-B-Q as well.

[Sandra]

Eating iodized salt on your food should reduce any need for sports drinks. Sports drinks are why my husband had fainting spells, his sodiun was sky high.

Also borax and hard laundry soap should be added to the list. The Wonder Wash makes washing easier. Don't forget a clothesline and fabric softener mixed with water in a spraybottle. I had no power for over a week, these were lifesavers.

Available below:

http://www.lehmans.com/jump.jsp?itemID=674&itemType=CATEGORY&iMainCat=673&iSubCat=674&show48=1

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Eating iodized salt on your food should reduce any need for sports drinks. Sports drinks are why my husband had fainting spells, his sodiun was sky high.

Also borax and hard laundry soap should be added to the list. The Wonder Wash makes washing easier. Don't forget a clothesline and fabric softener mixed with water in a spraybottle. I had no power for over a week, these were lifesavers.

Iodized salt doesn't contain any other essential minerals such as potassium and Magnesium.

[georgiapeach]

I am not posting this as a substitute for medical advice. I am posting it for information only and for use at your own discretion. :)
I have known people to use antibiotics and pain meds labeled "for use in cats and dogs only" with no ill effects. If you are considering adding some antibiotics to your stash, think about what you have been prescribed in the past and what type of dosing was used, then go from there. I can tell you that Amoxicillin, Cephalexin, and Minocycline are commonly used antibiotics.
I have never used or heard of anyone using the fish or avian versions of these drugs on people, but they are available without scripts.
Just a little something to think about in case medical advice is easier to come by one day than the medications.

www.agri-med.com

I should probably add, I don't know anything about this company. It was this first one I came across. If anyone knows of a reputable company to buy from, or can verify this one is, info would be appreciated.

[phoenixrising]

dried fruit (apricots, cherries, blueberries etc...)
dehydrate veggies from your garden now
good protein powder (can be mixed w/h2o) biochem or mrm are both excellent
anti-oxidants!!
vitamin C
vitamins (already mentioned) yet use OHS optimal health system for maximum nutrients
a genarator
backup filters for your berkey + flouride filter
drums for storing h2o (we picked up (7) 50 gal drums...this water could be used for bathing, watering gardens etc)
peroxide
apple cider & white vinegar
baking soda
non-gmo seeds!
extra firewood (double what you normally would do)
aspirin/advil...whatever
duct tape
pet supplies/food
matches/lighters
olive oil
storage containers!!! bins, tubs etc....

[Ozwest]

You seem to think that Australia is immune to the problems the US faces. Hope you take notes.

No way my friend.

I am U.S. raised and will always have an American accent.

Maybe the Cubs will win the World Series before I die!

[Micah Dardar]

I am not posting this as a substitute for medical advice. I am posting it for information only and for use at your own discretion. :)
I have known people to use antibiotics and pain meds labeled "for use in cats and dogs only" with no ill effects. If you are considering adding some antibiotics to your stash, think about what you have been prescribed in the past and what type of dosing was used, then go from there. I can tell you that Amoxicillin, Cephalexin, and Minocycline are commonly used antibiotics.
I have never used or heard of anyone using the fish or avian versions of these drugs on people, but they are available without scripts.
Just a little something to think about in case medical advice is easier to come by one day than the medications.

www.agri-med.com

I agree. I have used fish antibiotics (metronidazole and cipro) . I have a b.s. in microbiology, so I really don't feel the need to see a doctor. You need to have a general idea of what you are trying to treat, though.

[Bruno]

Make sure you have more than one pair of glasses.

Don't rely on contacts and contact solution.

If it was a really bad collapse, you would be screwed.


Funny you should mention that. That is one of the things that crossed my mind when I had lasik surgery three years ago. :)

[Mahkato]

http://www.frugalsquirrels.com/vb/ is an awesome forum. Lots of Ron Paul supporters there. But you'll have to wait for an admin to approve your account when you sign up.

[Micah Dardar]

Funny you should mention that. That is one of the things that crossed my mind when I had lasik surgery three years ago. :)

Shit, I really wanted to get lasik before all this happened.

[Ninja Homer]

If the dollar crashes, there will still be plenty of production, you just might not be able to get things so easily, like food from the grocery store. It becomes more of a distribution problem. Make friends with local farmers... they'll probably still be producing plenty of food, but they'll have a hard time selling it and transporting it to people that will buy it.

Establish trade within your community, and figure out what you can produce to trade with.

People are safer in groups. If things get really bad, a commune on decent land with good water could make it through anything... that's what people did for thousands and thousands of years.

Get a reliable bike... it beats walking when you can't get gas to drive.

Stock up on salt... it can be used for lots of things, such as preserving meat without refrigeration. Also don't forget cooking oil, and a means to cook food if you don't have electricity and can't buy gas. If you plan on living off canned food for a while, stock up on spices.

Here's a giant pack of 230+ survival books: http://www.mininova.org/tor/1837675

[LibertyEagle]

So...

You are going to run for"them thar hills."

You sound like mice in a maze.

As opposed to YOU, who already RAN?

Actually, it's called being prepared so we are not lambs to the slaughter. If you're starving, it's a bit hard to resist.

[Ozwest]

As opposed to YOU, who already RAN?

Actually, it's called being prepared so we are not lambs to the slaughter. If you're starving, it's a bit hard to resist.

Fair call.

I love America.

But...

OZ is good. Real good.

Never hurts to have a plan B.

My brother in Albuquerque called me today.

[georgiapeach]

Shit, I really wanted to get lasik before all this happened.

Me too! I'm so nearsighted, I won't even take both of my contacts out to sleep. My glasses are just ridiculous. I haven't gotten new ones in 13 years, because I just can't wear them. They give me migraines.

[Mahkato]

http://www.frugalsquirrels.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=044387;p=1

[enjerth]

Shit, I really wanted to get lasik before all this happened.

That reminds me, get your teeth taken care of if you need it. A week ago I scheduled an appointment to have a cavity refilled.

[MsDoodahs]

Remember to check out the subforum here, "Freedom Living."

:)

[withallmyheart]

feminine sanitary products
diapers
wipes (comes in handy for everyone (hand cleaning) when water supply is off
Depends (will you be caring for parents?)
baby formula/food
beef jerkey
no water required hand soap
extra socks in bug out bag. Socks can substitute for gloves to keep warm.

[MsDoodahs]

This is a link to a thread in the FL subforum, it's a list of grocery store food items and their estimated shelf life.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=144827

[Feelgood]

http://www.greatdepressiondeux.com

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Back - updating...

[RonPaulVolunteer]

any more suggestions?

[gilliganscorner]

any more suggestions?


Start your Agorist Network (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=153542). Now. Bump the post referenced by the URL if you like what you read.

Even if the economy doesn't collapse, it is STILL a good idea.

[kaleidoscope eyes]

A Leatherman type multi-tool would be good to have too I think

[princessredtights]

Make sure you have more than one pair of glasses.

Don't rely on contacts and contact solution.

If it was a really bad collapse, you would be screwed.


As an optician, I commend and second this recommendation!

[MsDoodahs]

Make sure you have a "bug out bag" in each of your vehicles (we also keep one here at the house).

In EACH OF YOUR CARS, keep a "gazetteer."

De Lorme publishes some, others may also.

What you are looking for is a map that INCLUDES BACK ROADS.

They're higher cost than other maps but well worth the investment IF you ever get into a situation where you need to get out of an area without using main highways.

[kaleidoscope eyes]

Make sure you have a "bug out bag" in each of your vehicles (we also keep one here at the house).

In EACH OF YOUR CARS, keep a "gazetteer."

De Lorme publishes some, others may also.

What you are looking for is a map that INCLUDES BACK ROADS.

They're higher cost than other maps but well worth the investment IF you ever get into a situation where you need to get out of an area without using main highways.

Yep, I remember getting one of those county by county map books for Ohio at a gas station, really good investment.

[MsDoodahs]

KC, some at another board responded to my comment on this kind of map that they have GPS devices so they don't need maps.

Uh...the state can shut the GPS device down whenever they want. THEN whatever will you do?

(I didn't say that part to them, as that board is loaded with mostly average americans and they are ... uh ... average. ;))

[kaleidoscope eyes]

I think all this technology sometimes cripples our common sense :P

[roho76]

Here's a giant pack of 230+ survival books: http://www.mininova.org/tor/1837675

Could you maybe host these somewhere else. I am not Torrent savvy but would love to get my hands on these.

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Uh...the state can shut the GPS device down whenever they want. THEN whatever will you do?

No they can not... WAY too many military devices absolutely critically rely on the GPS satellites. You can't even launch a missile without it. They will never ever shut it down in the USA. Just not going to happen.

[MsDoodahs]

No they can not... WAY too many military devices absolutely critically rely on the GPS satellites. You can't even launch a missile without it. They will never ever shut it down in the USA. Just not going to happen.

We'll agree to disagree. :)

[Ninja Homer]

Could you maybe host these somewhere else. I am not Torrent savvy but would love to get my hands on these.

Sorry, the best I can do is suggest you use utorrent. Here's their guide for setting it up: http://utorrent.com/setup_guide.php

[BuddyRey]

Thanks so much for all the valuable information you guys have compiled here!

I know absolutely nothing about survivalism and, while I must admit the sheer volume of items I still need to attain is somewhat daunting, I feel better for having at least been briefed as fully as possible.

I think my biggest question now is simply this; In the event of a total socioeconomic collapse, would it be safer to stay in one's own home, or to bail out for the remotest and least conspicuous possible spot in the deepest wilderness? Maybe we should talk about Bug Out Locations a bit.

[BuddyRey]

Oh! And even though, like I said, I don't know much about this kind of thing, this guy's kits look really interesting and seem to have an incredible amount of supplies for what you pay. Could some of y'all seasoned survivalists give his products a thumbs-up or thumbs-down?

This is the one I'm leaning toward at this point...

http://cgi.ebay.com/TACTICAL-AIRCREW-SURVIVAL-KIT-TROPICAL_W0QQitemZ220283132249QQihZ012QQcategoryZ9 7044QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

[kaleidoscope eyes]

Ah, here's some I just read in a catalog, some fishing line and hooks.

And a firesteel, or magnesium fire starter.

[kaleidoscope eyes]

No they can not... WAY too many military devices absolutely critically rely on the GPS satellites. You can't even launch a missile without it. They will never ever shut it down in the USA. Just not going to happen.

True, but who says they won't get blown apart by some other county/or seriously malfunction/wear out at some point, bad things happen to good technology.

[RonPaulVolunteer]

True, but who says they won't get blown apart by some other county/or seriously malfunction/wear out at some point, bad things happen to good technology.

Because THEY rely on the SAME system, and they' have to take out half of the 24 satellites at least to stop it working. We only need 3.

[Goldwater64]

Don't forget tin foil for hats!

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Don't forget tin foil for hats!

Riiiight..... 'cause there's o precedent for what's going on, and it will never happen here.

We're not the one's that need tinfoil hats....

[BuddyRey]

Bump!

[Goldwater64]

I am going to bump this thread again starting next Friday.

I will do so every Friday.

Sometime around December, or January or maybe February it should be obvious that while our financial situation basically sucks, we are not heading towards a complete societal meltdown.

You may not be able to buy a new car, but you won't need powdered milk, MRE's and a "damned good dog" just to survive.

You all will make fun of me for this or say I'm naive. But each Friday will tell a different story.

I do this as a life long libertarian who is mad as hell at cooks who have hijacked this wonderful political philosophy.

[BuddyRey]

I am going to bump this thread again starting next Friday.

I will do so every Friday.

Sometime around December, or January or maybe February it should be obvious that while our financial situation basically sucks, we are not heading towards a complete societal meltdown.

You may not be able to buy a new car, but you won't need powdered milk, MRE's and a "damned good dog" just to survive.

You all will make fun of me for this or say I'm naive. But each Friday will tell a different story.

I do this as a life long libertarian who is mad as hell at cooks who have hijacked this wonderful political philosophy.

GW, nobody's saying you're naive. We're just trying to take any measures necessary to survive, if, for any reason, socio-economic breakdown of any kind (even for natural reasons, like in Katrina) should cause normal acquisition of goods through commercial channels to become difficult or impossible. I'm living this exact scenario right now and it scares the blazes out of me!!! For the last four days, my family hasn't been able to get gas anywhere within a five-mile radius. Don't you think we're kicking ourselves for not having stocked up ahead of time?

Please note that preparedness is not the exclusive domain of tinfoil hat types. Heck, even the Boy Scouts think it's a good enough idea. We won't make fun of your obstinate refusal to take the "loony" warnings of economic collapse seriously if you'll overlook our bullheaded insistence that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Deal?

Hey, come on. We're supposed to be in this thing together. The only people who have hijacked libertarianism are the Washington crooks who tell us we have a free market white simultaneously bailing out irresponsible businesses that couldn't make it on their own terms and had to run to the generous pocketbook of Mommy Government.

[Goldwater64]

GW, nobody's saying you're naive. We're just trying to take any measures necessary to survive, if, for any reason, socio-economic breakdown of any kind (even for natural reasons, like in Katrina) should cause normal acquisition of goods through commercial channels to become difficult or impossible. I'm living this exact scenario right now and it scares the blazes out of me!!! For the last four days, my family hasn't been able to get gas anywhere within a five-mile radius. Don't you think we're kicking ourselves for not having stocked up ahead of time?

Please note that preparedness is not the exclusive domain of tinfoil hat types. Heck, even the Boy Scouts think it's a good enough idea. We won't make fun of your obstinate refusal to take the "loony" warnings of economic collapse seriously if you'll overlook our bullheaded insistence that an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Deal?

Hey, come on. We're supposed to be in this thing together. The only people who have hijacked libertarianism are the Washington crooks who tell us we have a free market white simultaneously bailing out irresponsible businesses that couldn't make it on their own terms and had to run to the generous pocketbook of Mommy Government.

All in all, very fair critique and I understand your point. But that said, where is the line?

In the past day people on this board have said 1.) Electric power will go out for weeks or months very soon 2). Gold will rise by 4x the price in the coming days 3.) You should stock up on powdered milk and MRE's to survive 4.) There were troops coming together to patrol us on the Maryland Beltway 5.) Black helicopters were in the sky.

When does this stop becoming cute and a little eccentric and slide into the zone of hurting serious libertarians? REALLY?

[RonPaulVolunteer]

All in all, very fair critique and I understand your point. But that said, where is the line?

In the past day people on this board have said 1.) Electric power will go out for weeks or months very soon 2). Gold will rise by 4x the price in the coming days 3.) You should stock up on powdered milk and MRE's to survive 4.) There were troops coming together to patrol us on the Maryland Beltway 5.) Black helicopters were in the sky.

When does this stop becoming cute and a little eccentric and slide into the zone of hurting serious libertarians? REALLY?

When will you realize that it is the libertarian philosophy of being able to take care of one's self and not rely on others that is a major part of being prepared. It's funny that you call yourself a libertarian yet you don't seem to grasp the basic elements of the philosophy itself. Libertarianism is not a political party, it's a philosophy, or did you not know?

Besides that, keep bumping the thread every Friday. I'd sure appreciate it.

[thomaspaine23]

All in all, very fair critique and I understand your point. But that said, where is the line?

In the past day people on this board have said 1.) Electric power will go out for weeks or months very soon 2). Gold will rise by 4x the price in the coming days 3.) You should stock up on powdered milk and MRE's to survive 4.) There were troops coming together to patrol us on the Maryland Beltway 5.) Black helicopters were in the sky.

When does this stop becoming cute and a little eccentric and slide into the zone of hurting serious libertarians? REALLY?

Good question, but you know what?

I'm sure there were alot of people in Germany after WWI who said the same things, and they KEPT saying them as the economy went into hyperinflation,
and kept saying them after Hilter got power, and kept saying them as the Jews
started being rounded up, etc.

It can happen. We Really have NO idea how bad it can get yet. So I will err on the side of caution for my family....

[Goldwater64]

So I will err on the side of caution for my family....

OK...so is buying 40k in gold on a credit card (as people on here have suggested to the applause of others) erring on the side of caution for your family?

[RonPaulVolunteer]

OK...so is buying 40k in gold on a credit card (as people on here have suggested to the applause of others) erring on the side of caution for your family?

That's no different from trading with a margin account. So what.

[Goldwater64]

When will you realize that it is the libertarian philosophy of being able to take care of one's self and not rely on others that is a major part of being prepared. It's funny that you call yourself a libertarian yet you don't seem to grasp the basic elements of the philosophy itself. Libertarianism is not a political party, it's a philosophy, or did you not know?

Besides that, keep bumping the thread every Friday. I'd sure appreciate it.

And if you could, please tell me how the powdered milk collection is coming along every Friday, ok?


In fact, that is going to be the bump: How is the powdered milk and the "damned good dog"? Any troops at your door lately?

[RonPaulVolunteer]

And if you could, please tell me how the powdered milk collection is coming along every Friday, ok?


In fact, that is going to be the bump: How is the powdered milk and the "damned good dog"? Any troops at your door lately?

Well, if you choose to be an ignorant smart-ass and make fun of others choices - you're NOT libertarian.

[Goldwater64]

Well, if you choose to be an ignorant smart-ass and make fun of others choices - you're NOT libertarian.

Interesting definition of libertarianism.

[jkm1864]

Gold and Silver are going to be worthless folks .... We have a world wide food shortage with riots in 38 countries. The food situation is going to be worse due to the floods in the heartland.. The transportation system in this country is going to stop in its tracks because of gas shortage. Food is going to go up alot due to gas shortages and their will be lines waiting at walmart which will be cleaned out in hours .... People this is going to be real bad and You don't understand how bad its going to get... Do not put your faith in money or gold


I have

30+ buckets of beans, rice, wheat, corn, honey, sugar

M1A scout with scope, laser, tactical light, bipod, sling + 1000 rounds of ammo

2 55 gallon water barrels for water

5 5 gallon military gas cans to get the hell out of dodge

Will be buying soon

100+ bars of soap

4k worth of solar pannels

still for making ethanol to mix with gas

Non GMO seeds

hand tools to farm

Activated Charcoal to make my water filter - Look this up online

Body armor

gas masks

mace grenades

cheap 250cc motor cycle 80 mpg



I mean think about it do you think this is going to be good. Look at N.O. thats how bad its going to get. This selfish me me me welfare generation is going to flip out and go postal. The government is going to put in martial law when the grocery store runs out of hot pockets. The most valuable thing you will have is your mind and your health. Disease is going to break out big time because people will be starving. We can expect WW3 soon in the future so expect bio attacks in the major cities so a survivalist attitude will help. You will need to make sure You have enough food for yourself & extended family because they will be your best assets. Two heads are better than one and two or three families are better than one. Remember the community or your family will have to pull together to survive what is coming its the only way its going to work. The rich are going to die like the poor because of the me me attitude. The poor will gang up on the rich to steal everything they got. Look at africa its a good example of the crap hitting the fan. You will need to get the hell out of the cities and try to get atleast 30 minutes out so the zmobies can't invade you. If You want to stay in the cities prepare to have your rights taken away and prepare to kill people to take care of your family.

I would recommend buying supplies and if you live in the city find other Ron Paul supporters that live in the country that will take you in. This is important people need to keep a thread up like this because you will need to help your fellow man especially your fellow ron paul supporters.

[Goldwater64]

M1A scout with scope, laser, tactical light, bipod, sling + 1000 rounds of ammo

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Hmm. I'm not really preparing for what ever it is you are...but dude, why the ancient gun? And why so little ammo? Get an SKS or a Yugo Ak. The ammo is much cheaper. By all means keep the m1, it won ww2!, great gun...but get something more high volume!

[jkm1864]

GPS they will not shut down the GPS folks ... Turning off the GPS system would shut down the whole gulf of mexico fuel production. Trust me if they did it would be the differential which we would just use towers to get good diff. I work as a surveyor in the gulf and they do need gps to lay the lines and maintain the oil production on all the service vessels. I assure You WW3 can break out and the world could fall apart and the country will make sure it gets is oil to fuel the war machine.

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Gold and Silver are going to be worthless folks

Really. Funny, my local farm I buy all my veggies from already barters in silver.

You may not know much about gold and silver, but stuff that's been money for 6000 years won't stop being money in a deep depression. The people with something of value to trade for an item, like a silver coin, will be the ones preferred over someone wanting to barter their XBox.

[jkm1864]

The M1A is still a excellent rifle ask any marine thats in iraq right now and its alot more accurate than a sks or ak 47. The Ar15 has a problem with pushing its unspent poweder in the chamber which causes jam ups. I know the M1A is expensive but its a proven design and its accurate as hell at 500 yards with iron sites. Sometimes the simplest design is the best thats why the AK beats the ar15 every time.

[jkm1864]

Who is going to prove its pure silver or gold? Who has a lab to figure that out? what is to prove the silver you are getting now is pure? Do you know what type of ring it makes when you drop it? You might be disappointed when you get less for your silver than what you expect. You know its nice you have a farm near by that sells food for silver but most of us don't have that. I personally don't care about electronic devices because they are useless when the power goes out.

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Who is going to prove its pure silver or gold? Who has a lab to figure that out? what is to prove the silver you are getting now is pure? Do you know what type of ring it makes when you drop it? You might be disappointed when you get less for your silver than what you expect. You know its nice you have a farm near by that sells food for silver but most of us don't have that. I personally don't care about electronic devices because they are useless when the power goes out.

OK, well that sort of proves you don't know anything about silver, so 'nuff said as they say...

[Thomas_Paine]

Because it contains other essential minerals.

Celtic Sea Salt provides over 80 trace minerals

[Nirvikalpa]

Anyone have any ideas that a full-time college student can use to prepare for this mess? What to buy on a student income (little to none at all)? Foods? Etc etc... :(

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Anyone have any ideas that a full-time college student can use to prepare for this mess? What to buy on a student income (little to none at all)? Foods? Etc etc... :(

Lots of Raman noodles. There'll be a healthy (bad choice of word) market for them on any campus too. Good way to barter. Get a little gas cooker from REI and a dozen gas bottles. You'll need to think about water, and take a multi-vitamin every day and you could survive a long time.

[jkm1864]

180 bucks will buy 3 buckets of wheat which can feed you for a whole year...... make tortillas with beans and rice............ dont waste your money on prepared food its alot cheaper to get dry goods

[jkm1864]

Oh so im ignorant about silver and gold well let me ask you a question. When you go buy food with your silver and gold whom has the advantage? Who has the upper hand buddy? That farmer can tell you to get lost and you will be eating dirt huh? I assure you I'll not be any mans slave because i'll be eating my bread and farming my families land. You trust a system thats in danger of exploding in our faces. So keep telling poor people to buy silver and gold so they can run out and buy it up to only find out that their city is short on food due to fuel shortages or food runs.

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Oh so im ignorant about silver and gold well let me ask you a question. When you go buy food with your silver and gold whom has the advantage? Who has the upper hand buddy? That farmer can tell you to get lost and you will be eating dirt huh? I assure you I'll not be any mans slave because i'll be eating my bread and farming my families land. You trust a system thats in danger of exploding in our faces. So keep telling poor people to buy silver and gold so they can run out and buy it up to only find out that their city is short on food due to fuel shortages or food runs.

OMG... cue the violins...

The farm will barter for work on the farm.

Silver and gold has been money for, COUNT THEM, SIX THOUSAND YEARS. It still is today, and that's NOT going to change in a depression, except for the fact that the value of gold and silver will does as it always does in an inflationary state, it will skyrocket.

The system of gold and silver is NOT about to explode in anyone's face. Perhaps you'd like to look at gold and silver prices over the last 10 years. Oh why am I bothering. Good luck! You have food, I have more food and lots of silver. We'll see who lasts longer :)

[jkm1864]

How do you know you have more food? I'm not trying to get in a big dick contest here. The most important thing to do is survive what is coming up. Most experts will tell you gold, silver, food, medicine & fuel. I would agree but I think its counter productive to tell people to buy gold and silver now especially since its run out. People now need to worry about having enough food to last a year or maybe longer which doesn't require alot of money to be honest. Three hundred dollars can go a long way in preparing yourself if You go the cheapest route. My father laughed at me about the dry goods because it gets weevils. I was like dad am I going to complain about eating weevils if it ever comes to a point when I will actually need my emergency stores. Yes I do know about gold and silver and I am not a ignorant fool either I just am not going to put my faith into something that i'll later have to trade it for food. I would also say that in this line of reasoning a 300 dollar hand gun and a box of shells will more than likely be more valuable then your precious gold coin because someone will take it from you if you don't have one. Hell I might even stock up on pawn shop guns myself because that sounds a hell of alot better than 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000 gold coins.

[jkm1864]

As far as the farm hiring hands well that is true and you are perfectly right on that one. I would also say that the demand for farm jobs might become very high in the future. Hey just think you might get fired for wiping sweat off of your brow because you are wasting time. You know he could do that if he doesn't know you because he can always find someone right behind you. The oil field used to be like that in the 80's btw if the MAN didn't like the way you looked you got run off why because there was like 1000 people behind you willing to work twice as hard. I know this concept might be strange to some but when the time comes that workers out number jobs employers will become very picky and you can't do anything about it..

[enjerth]

I am going to bump this thread again starting next Friday.

I will do so every Friday.

Sometime around December, or January or maybe February it should be obvious that while our financial situation basically sucks, we are not heading towards a complete societal meltdown.

You may not be able to buy a new car, but you won't need powdered milk, MRE's and a "damned good dog" just to survive.

You all will make fun of me for this or say I'm naive. But each Friday will tell a different story.

I do this as a life long libertarian who is mad as hell at cooks who have hijacked this wonderful political philosophy.

You seem to think we're naive.

I've had this mindset for several years. The current fiasco may not lead to immediate social upheaval, but it sure as hell proves to me that we're accelerating in that direction. With our current direction, it is inevitable. It may be 10 years, but people who know nothing about survival had better start getting educated and prepared.

Rome did not fall in a day, but it will certainly be EASIER and CHEAPER to prepare while we are in abundance, rather than at the threshold when multitudes start becoming aware and drive up demand.

Go ahead and bump every Friday. We need to be reminded that, although it may linger, it is yet to come. So long as we are moving in the wrong direction, every day brings calamity closer.

[MsDoodahs]

mad as hell at cooks who have hijacked this wonderful political philosophy.

Yeah. Damn COOKS.

lol...

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Yeah. Damn COOKS.

lol...

Fettuccine Carbonara coming up... Would you like extra parmigiano with that sir?

[Ninja Homer]

Celtic Sea Salt provides over 80 trace minerals

Celtic salt is good. I actually like Himalayan crystal salt better, but it's a little more expensive. To stock up, I'm going with Redmonds RealSalt, which has over 50 trace minerals, but is quite a bit cheaper than Celtic or Himalayan.

Here's some bulk salt sources:
Celtic, $4.00/lb: http://www.celticseasalt.com/Celtic_Sea_Salt_Brand_br_Ligh_C8.cfm
Himalayan, $4.24/lb: http://www.himalayansalt.com/saltcart/home.php?cat=37
Redmonds, $2.88/lb: http://www.realsalt.com/shop/granular_realsalt.cfm

Salt has been used as money many times in the past. Roman soldiers were paid in salt, which is where the term "not worth his salt" came from. The reason salt is so cheap and readily available now is because of modern production and distribution methods. If that shuts down, salt will be a lot more valuable, because it's needed to live.

Another good way to get minerals and vitamins is with blackstrap molasses or real maple syrup. If you get maple syrup, get grade C if you can find it, otherwise grade B. The lower grade it is, the less filtered it is, so the more vitamins and minerals it contains. Blackstrap molasses doesn't go bad.

[Ninja Homer]

Most cooking oils will go rancid in a year. One exception to that is coconut oil.

Although unrefined expeller pressed coconut oil is a little pricey, it is full of antioxidants and will last up to 5 years. It's also very good for you (thyroid-stimulating, anti-aging, cholesterol-lowering, weight loss stimulating, anti-cancer, and antimicrobial).

[georgiapeach]

Heavy duty plastic sheeting would be good to have on hand too. It could be used to help insulate windows, temporarily cover leaks, improvise a tent, make a green house, collect water. I think you get the idea.

[phoenixrising]

Most cooking oils will go rancid in a year. One exception to that is coconut oil.

Although unrefined expeller pressed coconut oil is a little pricey, it is full of antioxidants and will last up to 5 years. It's also very good for you (thyroid-stimulating, anti-aging, cholesterol-lowering, weight loss stimulating, anti-cancer, and antimicrobial).


olive oil will store for 2 yrs--just keep it away from direct light ;)

[RonPaulVolunteer]

It's also very good for you (thyroid-stimulating, anti-aging, cholesterol-lowering, weight loss stimulating, anti-cancer, and antimicrobial).

Wow, I just started using it and I didn't even know any of that! :)

[Ninja Homer]

olive oil will store for 2 yrs--just keep it away from direct light ;)

Yeah, olive oil has some natural antioxidants in it too, which is why it can be used without heavy processing, bleaching, additives, etc. That's also why it's better for you than most cooking oils. That's mainly what I cook with... it has a much higher smoking point than coconut oil. Check expiration dates when you're buying it, because they can sit on store shelves for a while. Colored bottles are better than clear, to keep out the light.

There's other options for long term oil, of course. There's canned butter, or you can can your own butter, and there's also canned oil. Vegetable shortening (Crisco) lasts a damn long time too, but I prefer not to use the stuff if I don't have to.

[lynnf]

coffee filters

for processing really bad water -- use the coffee filter to get the big stuff and that prolongs the life of your regular filters -- courtesy of the John Moore Show

archives:
http://www.republicbroadcasting.org/index.php?cmd=archives.year&ProgramID=21&year=8&backURL=index.php%3Fcmd%3Darchives


website:
http://www.thelibertyman.com/

lynn

[BeFranklin]

Avoid buying products that may be containanated. I have some coffee creamer from Walmart that was probably made in China and may be containamated, and I feel like I got burned. Buying a years worth of canned food that isn't made right probably won't help you in the long run.

[ihsv]

I'm not very knowledgeable about this sort of thing, so I'm looking for advice.

For people on a budget, and considering that when you're hungry you're not as squeamish about such things, what kinds of cheap, bulk animal feed can be purchased and stored for human consumption? I watched those long-term-storage videos at the beginning of this thread, and the fella mentioned that he was using wheat from a feed store, and that it's much cheaper than getting the "organic" stuff.

Any comments or tips on this?

[puppetmaster]

thought it might be a good time for a bump

[Ninja Homer]

thought it might be a good time for a bump

Thanks, I was thinking of this thread earlier today.

I highly recommend a product called MMS, or "Miracle Mineral Supplement". It's actually a very unfortunate name, because as soon as most people hear an alternative treatment labeled as "miracle" they think snake oil.

The home page for it is http://miraclemineral.org, but the actual product is sold at a lot of different places. They do have a free ebook there.

Here's a good article about it: No Miracle, Just Wonderful Chemistry (http://phaelosopher.wordpress.com/2007/09/09/no-miracle-just-wonderful-chemistry/)

The creator of MMS, Jim Humble, claims that it has been proven in clinical trials in Africa, and has been used to cure over 75,000 cases of malaria, as well as a lot of other diseases.

Whether you believe this stuff will cure malaria or not, I can give you one personal experience that easily made up the cost of $20 per bottle of this stuff... I had an abscessed tooth. If you've ever had one, you know that it can be one of the worst pains a person can ever experience. If you go to the dentist, they'll give you 2 options; either get a root canal or extract it. There's actually one other alternative remedy for it I've read about, which is to have a dentist inject hydrogen peroxide into the tooth cavity, but that option didn't sound real fun to me either. Well, what I did is I swished about 5 drops of the prepared MMS around in my mouth 3 times a day for 2 days, and the pain was gone in about 24 hours, and the abscess was gone within about 48 hours. Ask any dentist... they'll tell you there isn't anything that can heal an abscessed tooth. I still have the tooth, it's doing fine, and the abscess hasn't come back. That alone is worth it for the $20 bottle, especially if you have tooth problems and aren't in a position to go to a dentist... A badly infected tooth can kill you if it goes untreated.

It isn't a huge bottle at 5.5 oz, but it probably has 2000 drops or more, and from the ebook, you only need 30 drops or so to cure malaria. You mix it with an acidic liquid (citrus juice, citric acid, or vinegar), let it react for 3 minutes, then add water or juice, and drink it down (or swish it around for tooth problems). People are reporting success with it for almost every disease known to man.

I ordered mine from http://ener-chi.com/mms.htm
I don't make money from it or anything, but I've been a long time reader and fan of Andreas Moritz. I've read the material from about every alternative health practitioner I could find, and haven't found any as knowledgeable as Andreas Moritz. I highly recommend his book, "Timeless Secrets of Health & Rejuvenation" for anybody that would like to learn how to stay healthy without resorting to modern medicine.
Order page: http://ener-chi.com/books.htm#timeless
Book info: http://ener-chi.com/more_key.htm
At Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Timeless-Secrets-Health-Rejuvenation-Andreas/dp/097927575X

Andreas also has a gigantic forum (although it has been closed for a while now) at: http://curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=100157

I have tried some of the products that Andreas Moritz offers and recommends, and I have never been disappointed. One other product in particular I'd recommend is the Soladey Ionic Toothbrush (http://ener-chi.com/soladey.htm). I used to use a Sonicare, and the Soladey beats it easily and it doesn't need tooth paste or electricity.

Just some recommendations from a stranger over the internet... Either you trust me or not, but you can do your own research.

[ghengis86]

Here's another tip:

Every time you buy groceries (we go once a week), pick up a few bulk items (most stores have these sections). The cost for preparing won't hit your pocket book all at once and its a good way to build up/fortify supplies.

I grab a some extra canned goods, a 10 or 20lb bad of rice, a couple extra bags of flour (you can repackage into airtight containers), oil, pasta, etc. Spend an extra $50 a week and you'll be suprised how quickly you'll build up your stash. This is much easier to do if you're on tight budget and can't afford $500 worth of goods in one purchase.

Also, once you have your stach of food built up (3 months, 6 months, year, whatever), be sure to use on a first in first out basis. This will ensure the maximum shelf life of your goods.

This approach works well with lots of other things too that cost more than simple foodstuffs; every week i buy another box of shells for each of my guns. If you store fuel, buy a couple extra gallons a week to store (make sure you rotate this into your daily driving). Take the list from the OP and buy a couple things from it each week. Before you know it, you'll be ready for a year regardless of what happens.

One last thing; get lean in your household NOW! Cut expenses wherever you can. Got to resale shops for clothes. Anything you need to buy from a store, you can find cheaper on e-bay, craigslist, etc. Sell the junk you don't use anymore. Be as efficient as possible. I doubt we'll ever lose basic services like electricity, gas, water, but their cost will probably go through the roof. The less you use, the better. This is not just an emergency time lifestyle, its a good way to live in general.

[ShowMeLiberty]

Here's another tip:

Every time you buy groceries (we go once a week), pick up a few bulk items (most stores have these sections). The cost for preparing won't hit your pocket book all at once and its a good way to build up/fortify supplies.

I grab a some extra canned goods, a 10 or 20lb bad of rice, a couple extra bags of flour (you can repackage into airtight containers), oil, pasta, etc. Spend an extra $50 a week and you'll be suprised how quickly you'll build up your stash. This is much easier to do if you're on tight budget and can't afford $500 worth of goods in one purchase.

Also, once you have your stach of food built up (3 months, 6 months, year, whatever), be sure to use on a first in first out basis. This will ensure the maximum shelf life of your goods.

This approach works well with lots of other things too that cost more than simple foodstuffs; every week i buy another box of shells for each of my guns. If you store fuel, buy a couple extra gallons a week to store (make sure you rotate this into your daily driving). Take the list from the OP and buy a couple things from it each week. Before you know it, you'll be ready for a year regardless of what happens.

One last thing; get lean in your household NOW! Cut expenses wherever you can. Got to resale shops for clothes. Anything you need to buy from a store, you can find cheaper on e-bay, craigslist, etc. Sell the junk you don't use anymore. Be as efficient as possible. I doubt we'll ever lose basic services like electricity, gas, water, but their cost will probably go through the roof. The less you use, the better. This is not just an emergency time lifestyle, its a good way to live in general.

Good tips - I've been doing the same with my weekly shopping for a month or so now. And about getting lean in your household, well, that's how my grandparents lived all their lives. I've always appreciated everything I learned from them but I'm so glad now that I learned from them some basic DIY skills and how to have fun on little or no money. :)

[ghengis86]

Buy some cheap rubbermaid type storage bins to put your supplies in and put them in the basement or garage. 20-gal bins were $3 at menards the other day so I got a couple.

Another good thing to have is a small, fireproof lock box. you can get a quality unit at Home Depot for less that $50. Store some cash, gold or silver, birth cirtificates, etc in there. it's easily transported, unlike larger units.

More on going lean in your household.

We just sold a bunch of baby stuff to a local resale shop and got about $100 back. We'll save some of it, but use the rest to buy supplies. We met a lady at the resale store; they wouldn't take her toddler bed, so we asked if we could have and she said sure: FOR FREE! I keep an eye out for scrap metal too; the recycler around here takes it for $0.10/lb. I've been getting about $25-50 a week from this. Again, save some money and buy supplies with the rest. We cancelled our cable, but one of our TV's (the one without the receiver box) still gets channels 0-99!

We go through our garage maybe once every week or two and put whatever we don't use anymore on craigslist or e-bay. whatever we can't sell goes to good will for a tax write off. Save the money and buy essentials. my neighbor gives me the morning paper when he's done with it. This summer, we rode our bikes to the local grocery store. make fewer trips in the car.

All of this is sooooo simple and easy and really makes likfe much easier. We live comfortably, and have enough supplies to last us about a year. And, its not like we're freaking out everytime the market drops 800pts. Once you know you could survive a protracted period of unrest, this sort of news doesn't impact your day to day operations.

[ghengis86]

bump

have people been prepare in ernest since the DOW was in freefall this past week?

[misericordia]

I'm not very knowledgeable about this sort of thing, so I'm looking for advice.

For people on a budget, and considering that when you're hungry you're not as squeamish about such things, what kinds of cheap, bulk animal feed can be purchased and stored for human consumption? I watched those long-term-storage videos at the beginning of this thread, and the fella mentioned that he was using wheat from a feed store, and that it's much cheaper than getting the "organic" stuff.

Any comments or tips on this? Go buy 10-20-30 lb bags of rice and dry beans, lentils, peas. these are cheap and ok 4 consumption.

[puppetmaster]

ah nuther bump....