Pre-Christian religions

[LibertiORDeth]

I had a friend ask how many religions before Jesus's time believed that their god came to earth, died, and rose from the grave.

[GreenCardSeeker]

Something like 10-20 or so had similar myths. I've read a few discourses on their similarities but don't have any of them available here now, though you can perhaps check http://www.entheology.org/pocm/pagan_christs_getting_started.html for a few similar myths.

[tonesforjonesbones]

I am sick of atheists. You are part of the reason we have an immoral society...and GOD is smiting the USA for it's immorality. Immoral societies never last. the USA is IMMORAL from the TOP down. Tones

[Grimnir Wotansvolk]

hey tones, your cognitive dissonance is showing

[Hiki]

I am sick of atheists. You are part of the reason we have an immoral society...and GOD is smiting the USA for it's immorality. Immoral societies never last. the USA is IMMORAL from the TOP down. Tones

I think you should take another look at what kind of people are running this country and then think again what you just wrote.

[SnappleLlama]

I am sick of atheists. You are part of the reason we have an immoral society...and GOD is smiting the USA for it's immorality. Immoral societies never last. the USA is IMMORAL from the TOP down. Tones

Someone can be atheist and still have morals. Just sayin' ;)

[zach]

I am sick of atheists. You are part of the reason we have an immoral society...and GOD is smiting the USA for it's immorality. Immoral societies never last. the USA is IMMORAL from the TOP down. Tones

The USA is immoral because shit happens.
Don't blame troubles of a country on a group of people regardless of their belief system because every person has done at least something to ruin the greater good.

It's the thought process of "I'm better than you since you don't believe like I do, therefore, you are dirt" that has caused this country to be further divided.

Us vs. Them FTL.

[Theocrat]

I had a friend ask how many religions before Jesus's time believed that their god came to earth, died, and rose from the grave.

None of them.

[heavenlyboy34]

None of them.

Several religions have had such figures. They're mostly in the mideast. Some are mentioned in the movie "Zeitgeist", but you'll have to do some research to find ALL the answers.

[raystone]

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[tonesforjonesbones]

I read it was Zorasterism. It really doesn't matter. God manifests Himself however He wishes. Here's the bottom line. Most of humanity has looked to a Higher Power since the beginning of time. What does that tell you? When will you get onboard? Tones

[benny215]

I am sick of atheists. You are part of the reason we have an immoral society...and GOD is smiting the USA for it's immorality. Immoral societies never last. the USA is IMMORAL from the TOP down. Tones

lol great pat robertson impression 10/10

[Hiki]

I read it was Zorasterism. It really doesn't matter. God manifests Himself however He wishes. Here's the bottom line. Most of humanity has looked to a Higher Power since the beginning of time. What does that tell you? When will you get onboard? Tones

Primitive people making up excuses for the way the world works and exercising their imagination.

[SnappleLlama]

I read it was Zorasterism. It really doesn't matter. God manifests Himself however He wishes. Here's the bottom line. Most of humanity has looked to a Higher Power since the beginning of time. What does that tell you? When will you get onboard? Tones

It tells me nothing beyond people's desires to "jump on the bandwagon."
:confused:

[strapko]

You Christians are so sure of yourself, but you are wrong...the only true religion is Judaism, Christians are evil and the other true religion is Islam Allah Akbar motherfuckers.

[Theocrat]

Several religions have had such figures.

Which ones? Or are you just making an empty claim to show your contempt for Christianity?


They're mostly in the mideast.

How do you know that?


Some are mentioned in the movie "Zeitgeist", but you'll have to do some research to find ALL the answers.

I see how it is. I'm the one who has to do all the research, even though you're the one who introduced the claims. With that kind of reasoning, you ought to run for Congress. You can help them borrow our country out of debt. :rolleyes:

[Kludge]

Don't do something because it's "moral", do it because you want your rights and know that they can only exist when they are recognized by society.

[Mesogen]

So God came down to earth, "died," and rose again?
So for 3 days there was no god?
Obviously you wouldn't say that, so God was never dead. That means that God did not rise from the dead. Even if you take this story at face value, it is illogical and total BS.

[strapko]

Hmmm... I think the real religion is Hinduism, how else can you explain Ron Paul? Thomas Jefferson died and reincarnated as Paul. =D

[LibertiORDeth]

I read it was Zorasterism. It really doesn't matter. God manifests Himself however He wishes. Here's the bottom line. Most of humanity has looked to a Higher Power since the beginning of time. What does that tell you? When will you get onboard? Tones

I'm not, btw, an atheist, just agnostic... with morals...

[zach]

I'm not, btw, an atheist, just agnostic... with morals...

Yay, someone like me! :cool:

[Ozwest]

I'm told that the aboriginals in Australia have been here for 40,000 years.

They are spiritual people.

[Ozwest]

The USA is immoral because shit happens.
Don't blame troubles of a country on a group of people regardless of their belief system because every person has done at least something to ruin the greater good.

It's the thought process of "I'm better than you since you don't believe like I do, therefore, you are dirt" that has caused this country to be further divided.

Us vs. Them FTL.

Nice job with Bush/Cheney.

I'm enlightened, are you?

[zach]

Nice job with Bush/Cheney.

I'm enlightened, are you?

:D

[heavenlyboy34]

Which ones? Or are you just making an empty claim to show your contempt for Christianity?

I see how it is. I'm the one who has to do all the research, even though you're the one who introduced the claims. With that kind of reasoning, you ought to run for Congress. You can help them borrow our country out of debt. :rolleyes:

I introduced the claims? I'm not the OP! Besides, I don't have time to mention everything I've read and all the lectures I've listened to on the subject. :rolleyes: I don't LIVE on the webbernet, ya know.

Run for congress? Why? I have too much integrity to have my longstanding reputation in my artistic community to be tarnished by working for the government. ;)

I don't have "contempt" for Christianity. I studied Christian art, literature, and music in college. I have contempt for those who distort it. Ya might want to be careful before you go throwing around trash talk like that, buddy.

[Ozwest]

Theocrat,

You turn people off religion.

I respect your rights, your freedoms.

Respect others.

[Dieseler]

JMDrake will set this crap straight when he notices it. He has debunked Zeitgeist part 1 a few times here.

[Ozwest]

I do not want to debunk religion although I'm an atheist.

My family are Christians.

[Ozwest]

Debate me, and I'll kick your ass.

I'm informed.

[Ozwest]

An atheist is like a reformed smoker.

[Theocrat]

I introduced the claims? I'm not the OP! Besides, I don't have time to mention everything I've read and all the lectures I've listened to on the subject. :rolleyes: I don't LIVE on the webbernet, ya know.

Run for congress? Why? I have too much integrity to have my longstanding reputation in my artistic community to be tarnished by working for the government. ;)

I don't have "contempt" for Christianity. I studied Christian art, literature, and music in college. I have contempt for those who distort it. Ya might want to be careful before you go throwing around trash talk like that, buddy.

You stated in a post that there are several religions which have Messianic beliefs, predating Christ's incarnation. That's what I meant when I said you initiated the claim. You've also mentioned that you've read and listened to many lectures on this subject, yet you can't provide one evidence to back up your assertions?

After reading my last post addressed to you, I realized that I did respond too strongly towards you, and I apologize for that. I suppose I replied that way due to my having to deal with so many challenges against Christianity on these forums and rebutting the critics here lately (always on the defense, it seems).

[Ozwest]

You stated in a post that there are several religions which have Messianic beliefs, predating Christ's incarnation. That's what I meant when I said you initiated the claim. You've also mentioned that you've read and listened to many lectures on this subject, yet you can't provide one evidence to back up your assertions?

After reading my last post addressed to you, I realized that I did respond too strongly towards you, and I apologize for that. I suppose I replied that way due to my having to deal with so many challenges against Christianity on these forums and rebutting the critics here lately (always on the defense, it seems).

Try Aztec.

A great example of BOOGA BOOGA.

[Ozwest]

Reminds me of the Spanish inquisition.

What do you reckon?

[Theocrat]

Theocrat,

You turn people off religion.

I respect your rights, your freedoms.

Respect others.

People are inherently religious, so it's impossible for me to turn off anyone from religion. I suppose you mean I "turn people off" from the Christian faith. Their rejection of Christ is their own fault, and I've found it's usually the militant "atheists" on these forums who have a problem with any Christian who stands toe-to-toe with them on any issue they disagree with. You see, they are just as zealous about their humanistic religion as I am about my theistic one.

[Ozwest]

We can go back further if you like.

[Ozwest]

People are inherently religious, so it's impossible for me to turn off anyone from religion. I suppose you mean I "turn people off" from the Christian faith. Their rejection of Christ is their own fault, and I've found it's usually the militant "atheists" on these forums who have a problem with any Christian who stands toe-to-toe with them on any issue they disagree with. You see, they are just as zealous about their humanistic religion as I am about my theistic one.

So.

Am I a militant atheist Theocrat?

[Theocrat]

So.

Am I a militant atheist Theocrat?

Yes, but I understand why you are. You're passionate about your beliefs, as I am about my own, as a Christian. I realize that.

[Ozwest]

I wonder how many militant atheists have conquered the world?

Mmmm... Militant Christians conquering the World.

Unheard of.

[Ozwest]

Yes, but I understand why you are. You're passionate about your beliefs, as I am about my own, as a Christian. I realize that.

So I'm a special atheist.

Going to hell.

Is that right?

[Theocrat]

I wonder how many militant atheists have conquered the world?

Mmmm... Militant Christians conquering the World.

Unheard of.

That's because the entire world belongs to God, and He gives its possession to His children to take dominion of it through the Gospel. ;)

[Ozwest]

That's because the entire world belongs to God, and He gives its possession to His children to take dominion of it through the Gospel. ;)

So you are going to heaven, and I'm going to Hell.

You are comfortable with that?

[Theocrat]

So I'm a special atheist.

Going to hell.

Is that right?

I hope not. That's one of the reasons why many Christians are here. We want to help.

[Ozwest]

I hope not. That's one of the reasons why many Christians are here. We want to help.

If I remain an atheist, I will go to hell.

[Ozwest]

Yes or No?

[Theocrat]

If I remain an atheist, I will go to hell.

Do you know how you can escape that fate?

[Ozwest]

Simple question.

[Ozwest]

Maybe you can understand me my friend.

[Ozwest]

You would miss me in heaven.

[Theocrat]

Maybe you can understand me my friend.

Send me a private message. We've already disrupted this thread with going off topic. I don't wish to disrespect lukeownzu's OP any further.

[Ozwest]

No.

Aztecs,

Let's get started

[Theocrat]

No.

Aztecs,

Let's get started

What about Aztecs?

[Ozwest]

I respect religion.

I do not sidestep the issue.

You can't handle playing with matches. Sometimes you get burnt.

I say this with due respect.

[Ozwest]

What about Aztecs?

It fits the criteria.

[Ozwest]

I guess what shits me off Theocrat,

Is that you reckon I'm going to hell.

I wish you the best.

You don't have a choice.

I do.

[Ozwest]

If there is a God...

What would he think?

[Theocrat]

It fits the criteria.

Did the Aztecs believe in a prophesied messiah who is divine and human, coming down to the Earth incarnated to take on the sins of the whole world by dying on a cross, resurrecting from the dead, and ascending into Heaven to rule the nations by the wisdom of his own word and power of his spirit through followers teaching, baptizing, and discipling the whole world by his gospel?

[Ozwest]

For the moment...

Is God going to examine our hearts and souls?

I'm a good man.

Are you?

[heavenlyboy34]

something you may find interesting, OP, et. al.-

http://www.ocska.com/kr/what_is_religion.php and http://www.rationality.net/religion.htm#Chapter%2009.01 :D

[DirtMcGirt]

Judaism- King Solomon built 1st temple in 931 BCE
Hindu- Early Vedas written down around 1500 BCE
Buddhism- Wisdom scriptures originally developed 100 BCE

[Ozwest]

Stuff formal religion.

You are your own man.

[CountryboyRonPaul]

It's ok... as long as we have moral Christians like Bush in office, the USA will be great and win every war we start....





... you just gotta have faith ;p

[Ozwest]

It's ok... as long as we have moral Christians like Bush in office, the USA will be great and win every war we start....





... you just gotta have faith ;p

Reality check.

[Ozwest]

Everyone sooner or later formulates their opinions.

I debate.

[CountryboyRonPaul]

Reality check.

reality is for heathens I hear

[Theocrat]

Everyone sooner or later formulates their opinions.

I debate.

I noticed you skipped over Post #56. How can you debate when you can't even stay on the topic?

[smartguy911]

****oops didn't read your question properly..

[Ozwest]

reality is for heathens I hear

I'm a heathen?

[LibertiORDeth]

Send me a private message. We've already disrupted this thread with going off topic. I don't wish to disrespect lukeownzu's OP any further.

Thank you sir. As soon as someone FUCKING INTELLIGENT answers my question (not directed at you) you guys can do whatever the hell you want with the thread.

[Knightskye]

I am sick of atheists. You are part of the reason we have an immoral society...and GOD is smiting the USA for it's immorality. Immoral societies never last. the USA is IMMORAL from the TOP down. Tones

How is it atheists' fault when the only atheist member of Congress is Rep. Pete Stark?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_Stark

[Ozwest]

I noticed you skipped over Post #56. How can you debate when you can't even stay on the topic?

Cause I turned 50 yesterday and had a party.

I drank and smoked heaps.

[Ozwest]

I noticed you skipped over Post #56. How can you debate when you can't even stay on the topic?

Aztecs.

Go for it!

[Mach]

Tell your "friend" to Click and Compare.

POCM - Pagan Origins of the Christ Myth (http://www.pocm.info/index.html)
.

heavenlyboy34, thanks, what a blessing (http://www.ocska.com/kr/bible_came_to_be.php).
.
.

[Ozwest]

Why did the Aztecs sacrifice their enemies and spill hearts down the pyramid steps?

Any religious significance?

[LibertiORDeth]

Tell your "friend" to Click and Compare.

POCM - Pagan Origins of the Christ Myth (http://www.pocm.info/index.html)
.

heavenlyboy34, thanks, what a blessing (http://www.ocska.com/kr/bible_came_to_be.php).
.
.

Thank you.

[zach]

Why do religious debates turn into ad-hominem attacks?

Mighty Buddha.

[SnappleLlama]

Why did the Aztecs sacrifice their enemies and spill hearts down the pyramid steps?

Any religious significance?

The Almighty Carnivorous Gawd wanted a tasty treat, silly! :)

[Kludge]

Why do religious debates turn into ad-hominem attack?

Isn't much to discuss. Sources contradict and neither will back down and admit their source may be incorrect. An argument between a militant atheist and a militant theist is fun to watch, but entirely unproductive.

[Knightskye]

Tones?

[heavenlyboy34]

Why do religious debates turn into ad-hominem attacks?

Mighty Buddha.

Because there is not enough evidence (in the scientific sense) to support religious claims. When people start trying to defend unsubstantiated claims, they consider opposition opinions "attacks" and treat them as such. That's when the back-and-forth of ad hominems usually begins. :eek: That's probably why it's not a very popular debate to have.

[inibo]

Osiris (http://www.sacred-texts.com/pag/frazer/gb03800.htm)
Attis (http://www.sacred-texts.com/pag/frazer/gb03400.htm)
Aztecs (http://www.sacred-texts.com/pag/frazer/gb05002.htm)
General (http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/cv/wscs/index.htm)
More General (http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa.htm#menu)

I am not an atheist.