Ohio Ballots Issues

[Printo]

I was wondering how does everyone plan on voting on the Ohio ballot issues this fall. Here is a list of the issues in case you weren't sure ( http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Ohio_2008_ballot_measures ):

Certified for the 2008 ballot

Type Title Subject Description Status

LRCA Ohio Issue 1 Initiative rights Change deadline for submitting signatures on initiatives from 90 days pre-election to 125 days pre-election (On ballot)

BI Ohio Issue 2 Bond issue Borrow $400 million for environmental conservation, preservation and revitalization purposes (On ballot)

LRCA Ohio Issue 3 Property rights Creates constitutional amendment protecting property rights along the with passage of the Great Lakes Water Compact (On ballot)

Working for spots on November ballot

Type Title Subject Description Status

VR Ohio Issue 5 Veto referendum Stops legslation that would put cap on Payday Loan interest rates (Signatures filed, awaiting certification)

ICA Ohio Issue 6 Gambling Would allow one $600,000,000 resort/casino in Ohio (Signatures filed, awaiting certification)


Some of these seem obvious, such as property rights, but how does everyone plan on voting on the other issues??

[Printo]

bump. No one has any opinions on the ballot issues at all?

[heavenlyboy34]

I can tell ya that bonds suck. :mad: They try to pull that shit all the time here...just vote nononononononono!

[jcims]

Late but not too late.



LRCA Ohio Issue 1 Initiative rights Change deadline for submitting signatures on initiatives from 90 days pre-election to 125 days pre-election (On ballot)

No - I can't see how this benefits the constituents of the state of Ohio one bit.


BI Ohio Issue 2 Bond issue Borrow $400 million for environmental conservation, preservation and revitalization purposes (On ballot)

No - Worthy cause, but now is not the time.


LRCA Ohio Issue 3 Property rights Creates constitutional amendment protecting property rights along the with passage of the Great Lakes Water Compact (On ballot)

NO! (For now anyway) - Watch how this one is worded, it 'protects' property owner's rights by explicitly stating them (and what they are subordinate to). Still looking into it, very interested in any other interpretations.


VR Ohio Issue 5 Veto referendum Stops legslation that would put cap on Payday Loan interest rates (Signatures filed, awaiting certification)

Undecided - This is a tossup for me as there is already legislation on the books governing their practices. Education is the answer to the problems associated with payday loans, not more limits on how business is conducted.


ICA Ohio Issue 6 Gambling Would allow one $600,000,000 resort/casino in Ohio (Signatures filed, awaiting certification)

Yes - Again, an informed consumer and adequate channels for help is the answer to problems associated with this.

[Oswald Mosley]

The people at the top of the wealth and power pyramid are DESTROYING us.

MONEY IS POWER. DON'T GIVE THE KIND OF SELFISH PEOPLE WHO SAY TO THEMSELVES...
"Hey, I think I'll dedicate myself to a money making scheme that might get me millions, or, as in the case of Nevada's Sheldon Adelson, billions! All at the expense of the American people, including families, and tax payers. Who cares, the hell with everyone else. And I can even whitewash it all, by claiming it creates jobs. That's right, I can make a fool of the American public and get rich at the same time! Isn't it great?"...
MORE POWER.

These television character villains are no role models. Greed is over rated.

Well informed American patriots are courageously trying to fight back against these manipulators. Sadly, the struggle often looks bleak on all fronts. Battles are lost on a daily basis. But gratefully, some battles are indeed won. The noble effort continues. History is not yet written.

I see Ohio issue 6 as one of these battles. Small as it may seem in the scheme of things, in times like these, every victory must me cherished.

Best Regards,
informed american patriot

[Sheldon Adelson links]

http://www.philipweiss.org/mondoweiss/2008/04/when-i-was-a-ki.html

http://mparent7777-1.livejournal.com/700528.html

http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2008/06/25/sheldon-adelson-crazy-jewish-billionaire/

http://judicial-inc.biz/8Who.owns.las.vegas.htm

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/5172

http://www.davidduke.com/index.php?s=sheldon+adelson

http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-capitalists-gambling.html


Who's behind Ohio issue 6?

The My Ohio Now Casino is a privately held company owned by Rick A. Lertzman and Brad A. Pressman.

It's partner is the corporation Lakes Entertainment, a company that consults with Native American tribes in developing casino gaming. It was founded by Lyle Berman.
http://www.inc.com/magazine/20050501/poker_pagen_2.html

It's board of directors is as follows -
Lyle Berman, Timothy Cope, Morris Goldfarb, Ray Moberg, Neil Sell, Larry Barenbaum, and Richard White (Weiss).
http://www.lakesentertainment.com/xml/?func=officers

They've got a fight of their hands.
http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2008/09/24/copy/NOCASINO.ART_ART_09-24-08_B1_VKBDMS8.html?sid=101


http://www.noissue6.com/
http://www.votenocasinos.com/
http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live/content/editorials/stories/2008/10/05/ISSUE6.ART_ART_10-05-08_G4_7MBG99A.html?sid=101
http://www.fopohio.org/files/casino%20issue.pdf

LOVE your country.

BEWARE of the government, the media, and the crooks seem to who own them both.

[Oswald Mosley]

Overall unions have definitely improved the lives of many millions of American workers and their families.

That is a wonderful thing.

But I think it's such a shame, that they have so often taken such a big role in undermining America, by allying themselves with the liberal left, and shady corrupt and sometimes even criminal business men. Not to mention the historical ties they've had at times with organized crime. I guess it started out like this, back in the early days of union organizing many employers readily used violence against union organizers without batting an eye. I'm sure it went both ways, but employer violence against union members is well documented. Accepting help form gangs must have seemed their only recourse. Incidentally, many people who started off as gangsters (or their offspring, associates, friends, or relatives) , over time became legitimized business men. Dirty money became clean money.

I'm honestly sure that many of those in leadership positions of organized labor are ethical people who have a strong sense of conscience, and love America. But they have been keeping bad company.

The reason powerful people support the left is not because they "care", but because the policy of the left always seeks to increase the power of a government that they already own. Likewise, it strips away freedom and power from ordinary American citizens, not to mention, freedom of speech and freedom of thought. That's right, there are no limits to their goals of institutionalizing political correctness.

Corruption is the greatest human enemy of any democratic society.

Say no to the liberal left and its slavery.

Say no to gagsters, banksters, and corrupt politicians, businessmen, and the rest of those pathological crooks.

If you belong to a union, be skeptical of the political endorsements of your union.

With the exception of certain professions, most members of organized labor are men, and as part of our nature, or perhaps upbringing, we sometimes find it hard to accept that the beliefs we have held, perhaps for a very long time, were in fact mistaken.

Be courageous. Be critical.

Unions must serve the interests of common American men and women.

Not the establishment.
Not the crooks!
Not the manipulators!

Vote your conscience.
Vote no on Ohio issue 6!

http://www.noissue6.com/
http://www.votenocasinos.com/
http://www.dispatchpolitics.com/live/content/editorials/stories/2008/10/05/ISSUE6.ART_ART_10-05-08_G4_7MBG99A.html?sid=101
http://www.fopohio.org/files/casino%20issue.pdf

[Oswald Mosley]

This comment was originaly posted on another site by a certain "ODoyle".

ODoyle wrote:

But look at the job creation! 5,000 new jobs! Isn't that great? 5,000 people will have a job and that job will be to take as much money from you as possible. It's just like Issue 5. Voting No on Issue 5 will allow 6,000 people to keep their jobs, and their job is to make sure the poor stay poor by giving out 300%+ interest loans.



Another good man, who goes by the handle "grampajeff" posted this one.
Ahh, the wisdom of age.


grampajeff wrote:

Still waiting for the LOTTERY to boost schools!

[Oswald Mosley]

I ask of Ohioans only this?

Vote your conscience.

My conscience says vote no.

My conscience says quit being afraid to speak out the truth as I see it.

Does anyone doubt, that at the moment, we are living in 'historical' times.

I'm not really coming at this from a 'religious' standpoint.

I'm coming from this from a 'do you still have a pulse' standpoint.

Have you read or heard anything 'scary' lately.

Now is not the time for fear.

Now is the time to ask questions.

The emperor has no clothes.





In case you haven’t noticed, at this stage in the internet, the mainstream media has become nearly useless as a primary media destination.
Admittedly, they do publish important news and articles,
But bookmarking their sites doesn’t make much sense, (even though bookmarking some of their articles does).
Stay away from their homepages and you’ll better guard yourself from their agenda.

You might try, for instance,
http://www.infowars.com

for a decent picture of what’s really going on in our country, and our world.


Noam Chomsky, of MIT is one of the most highly regarded linguists ever, and a peaceful political activist since the sixties. His books on linguistics and politics are everywhere, and they are well worth reading.

I don’t always agree with him. Firstly, he won’t touch the JFK assassination, and frequently belittles the man’s political integrity. Secondly, it seems that he won’t touch 911 at all.

Thirdly, he never gives reasonable political alternatives to the status quo.

Alan Dershowitz has questioned his integrity, but as far as I can tell, Alan Dershowitz has no integrity.

I see figures such as Alan Dershowitz and Thomas Friedman, as two of the elite’s private ‘disinformation czars’, guilty of knowingly and purposefully misleading the American public.


But getting back to Chomsky, the guy is a linguist, and obviously, if you’re going to be a famous linguist, you better speak a few foreign languages, and speak them well.
A few decades ago, before the internet came into public use, he pointed this out the following. If you want to get an idea of when your being lied to, you must read the foreign press, and he went on to say that the same holds true for the citizens of all countries.

Now you probably realize that you have been being lied to.

Here are two examples of the foreign press, their reliability may truly surprise you.

http://www.russiatoday.com/en
http://www.presstv.com/

And let’s not forget http://www.infowars.com
I consider it politically neutral, taking no favorites, and making an effort not to offend.

Getting back on topic,
Listen to your conscience, when you vote on issue 6.
Show them that pitting one state against the other won’t work our soil.
Take the state back.
Show the courage of your grandparents, and theirs.

Best Regards To All,

May Those With Integrity Be The Victors,

An Informed American Patriot

[Oswald Mosley]

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[Oswald Mosley]

For a decent Chomsky interview, you can try
http://www.presstv.com/Detail.aspx?id=71798&sectionid=3510302

There was also an excellent movie made about Chomsky, and a book of his on media bias.
The title is ‘Manufacturing Consent: Noam Chomsky and the Media.’

In case you’ve been wondering about my opinion on the presidential election,
first of all, I’ll say that like so many other Americans, I don’t trust Barack Obama or John McCain a bit,
not one iota. No one seems to like Bush, including myself, but prepare yourself, because whoever wins this, WILL be worse than Bush. But that said, it should be obvious that the election of a third party presidential candidate is basically impossible. THAT’S WHY THE CONGRESSIONAL ELECTION IS SO IMPORTANT. But as for the unpleasant subject of the presidency, I myself must endorse John McCain, because of my FUNDEMENTAL opposition to authoritarian liberalism and its expansion of government powers.

If you haven’t already,
please turn off your television set, at least till November 4.


Please vote your conscience on Ohio issue 6.

[FrankRep]

No, No, No, No, etc.

All the issues suck.

[Oswald Mosley]

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[Oswald Mosley]

To clarify,
Fundamentally, I believe that unions have been much, much, much more good for America, than they’ve been bad for it.

But never put your union ahead of the interests of the American people.

I know you wouldn’t do that,
Because you realize you’d only playing into the hands of ‘sick’ men.

[Oswald Mosley]

These are the first postings I've ever made in my life, and I believe that they are all quite rational.

My sole motivation is concern for the future,

A future that all human beings will have to face.

In general, I can assure you that I am not a hateful person.

And on the subject of my reasoning, I've spoke with at least hundreds of people about the topics I've eluded to to, from ALL over the world. And although I've often been met with disagreement, I have rarely been accused of being unintelligent.
In the process, I have been able to persuade countless souls with my reasoning, particularly men and women who come from outside the United States. It so happens that I believe that the United States has one the most powerful and effective propaganda systems in the world. I see my efforts to be good deeds, and feel very good about them.

I have the best intentions at heart, and love this country in which me and my forefathers were born, very much.

I especially feel concerned for those patriotic American men and women who serve in America’s armed services.

Few people realize the link between the wealthy American gambling industry and the neo-con agenda, (which is not much prettier or whole lot different from the ‘liberal left’ agenda). Make no mistake, its leaders are among the biggest, craziest chicken-hawks you'll find anywhere. So in a way, a vote for Ohio issue 6 is a vote for war and human suffering. I don’t see how any well informed person could vote ‘for’ issue 6 with a clean conscience. So you might say that Ohio issue 6 has struck a cord with me.

Despite what some may ‘get’ from this comment, I am hoping for a McCain-Palin victory.

My reasoning on this is explained in some of my earlier comments.

Best regards to ALL,

Sincerely,

An Informed American Patriot

[Mini-Me]

In case anyone decides to check here again before voting, here's my take:
Issue 1: NO. Its intention is to make it harder for ballot initiatives and referendums to be accepted in a state where it's ALREADY difficult to qualify them, and it also puts too much power into the hands of the Ohio Supreme Court on the issue of ballot initivatives/referendums. It was put forth by the state legislature...and in my opinion, it was done in order to weaken checks against their power. Nice move, guys...but no.
Issue 2: NO. This is about issuing bonds to pay for environmental programs. Obviously, that means the state is asking us if it can borrow and spend, which means taxpayers will eventually have to pay for both the principal and interest on it. It's a losing game even if the spending is necessary (to maintain a clean water supply or something, once of the supposed reasons for it), in which case it should be funded with honest taxation instead of running up a tab we'll someday have to pay. After all, it's pretty much an ongoing program, not some emergency proposal.
Issue 3: NO...despite my initial inclination. This issue is deceptive, because its wording seems to undermine its premise of strengthening individual property rights. It purports to "protect" property rights with regard to water by amending the Ohio Constitution, affirming property owners' right to make "reasonable use" of "ground water flowing under their property, and of water in a lake of watercourse that is on or flows through their property," in the words of smartvoter.org. HOWEVER, existing Ohio case law already apparently recognizes property owners' interests in this case, according once again to smartvoter.org. In addition, the amendment also affirms the supremacy of the "public welfare" over individual property owners' rights, which is a dangerous principle to put into the Ohio Constitution, since this mentality is the single biggest threat (perhaps the only threat) to property rights in the first place. In other words, unless I'm reading it wrong, the initiative seems to have some Orwellian doublespeak in it. The "public welfare" is such a vague term that its supremacy would essentially give the Ohio government the power to override private property rights for any imaginable reason...and this is especially worrying considering this supremacy of the "public welfare" also seems to apply to standing water as well, not just flowing resources (though I could be wrong about that). If case law starts going the other direction and private property rights stop being respected, then that would be the time to institute a proper solution, but right now, this Amendment is a supposed solution to only a potential problem that has not yet arisen, rather than a real and ongoing problem. On top of that, the wording itself gives the state more firm legal ground to stand on for violating property rights in the future. In other words, this seems like way too much of a mixed bag to make a permanent part of the Ohio Constitution - which should be, as even the 2nd argument against this issue on smartvoter.org mentions, "a body of fundamental principles, and should not be amended unless there is a compelling reason."
Issue 4 was withdrawn.
Issue 5: NO. This issue is about payday loans. Payday loan companies had an interest rate cap of 391% on their short-term payday loans. A recent law reduced the maximum possible rate to 28%. Voting "Yes" keeps that law, whereas voting "No" throws it out. The commercials coming out against this issue are pretty ridiculous in calling it the "job-killing issue" without giving any more information, but voting "No" is still the right way to go in my opinion. Those commercials rest on the logic that such a low cap would make payday loan companies unprofitable, forcing them to go out of business ("killing" 6000 jobs)...and that may very well be true. While I don't like payday loan companies and I think people are insane for using them, the fact that they have customers means they're obviously meeting a market demand. The bottom line is, the government has no right telling people what interest rates they can and cannot voluntarily agree to. It's not up to the government to make responsible decisions for individuals - it's up to individuals themselves. Freedom includes the freedom to make poor decisions.
Issue 6: NO. While I wholly support the complete legalization of gambling, this particular issue does not actually do that. Instead, it seems to only legalize casino gambling in one particular instance, granting an exclusive state-enforced monopoly to a single company. Worse, that one company would have to pay practically nothing to the state of Ohio in exchange for the coercive monopoly the government would unjustly grant it. That's not the free market; it's corporate favoritism, and when such a flawed proposal seeks to amend the ACTUAL CONSTITUTION OF OHIO, I say, "No friggin way!" In addition, as much as I'm against taxation, I make an exception for companies given "special privileges" by the government...and the taxes the casino would pay are structured in a pretty screwy way. Plus, there are some loopholes that might come into play: If, for instance, a second casino were also given the special privilege of being "allowed," this casino would get to match its tax rate - and if the second casino were an Indian casino, that means its taxes would drop to 0. Anyway, I oppose favoritism on principle, but any move to put it directly into the Ohio Constitution is simply a travesty.

[FrankRep]

I voted NO on all issues.

[Fox McCloud]

I voted no on all but 1 and 3....3 is SOOO weak, but if it passes or not, it still has the same effect, really...just with one it's unseen.

1? It'll save a little money and make things more difficult to make it into the Ohio ballots....which IMHO is a good thing; Ohioans tend to be tax-and-spend anyway.