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Flash
09-24-2008, 03:09 PM
Frankly, I’m disappointed and disgusted with my own Republican party as I watch them attempt to strong-arm a bailout of some of America’s biggest corporations by asking the taxpayers to suck up the staggering results of the hubris, greed, and arrogance of those who sought to make a quick buck by throwing the dice. They lost, but want the rest of us to cover their bets so they won’t be effected in their lavish lifestyles as they figure out how to spend their tens of millions and in some cases, hundreds of millions in bonuses and compensation which was their reward for not only sinking their companies, but basically doing the same to the entire American economy.

It’s especially disconcerting to see the very people who pilloried me during the Presidential campaign for being a “populist” and not “understanding Wall Street” to now line up like thirsty dogs at the Washington, D. C. water dish, otherwise known as Congress, and plead for help. I thought these guys were the smartest people in America! I thought that taxpayers like you and I were similar to the people at the U. N. who have no translator speaking into their headset - that we just needed to trust those that I called the power bunch in the “Wall Street to Washington axis of power.”

The idea of a government bailout in which we’d entrust $700 billion to one man without Congressional oversight or accountability is absurd. My party or not, that is insanity and I believe unconstitutional.

Will there be far-reaching consequences without some intervention? Probably, but we honestly don’t know since we’ve really never seen this level of greed and stupidity all rolled into one massive move. But may I suggest that letting “Uncle Sugar” step in and bail out the billionaires who made the mess will be far worse and will start a long line of companies and individuals who will demand the same of the government---which last time I checked means that they will be demanding it out of YOU and ME. This is not money that Congress is risking from THEIR pockets or future, but ours. Many if not most of us have already experienced lost value on our homes, retirement accounts, and pensions. Now they’d like for us to assume some further risks so they won’t have to.

What happened to the “free market” idea? Is that only our view when we WIN and when we LOSE, we ask the government to come in and take away the pain? If you are a small business owner, is this the way it works at your place? When you have a bad month, a bad year, or face having to close, can you go up to Congress and get them to write YOU a fat check to take away your risk?

Some of what contributed to this disaster is too much government in the form of Sarbanes/Oxley. Some is due to the tax structure that created the hunger for companies to “game” the system. Some is the common sense that was ignored like loaning money to people who can’t pay it back.

Wall Street has become Las Vegas east, but at least in Vegas, people KNOW they are gambling and they don’t expect the government to cover their losses at the tables. In Wall Street, they do. And the American taxpayer burdens the responsibility.

If Congress wants to do something, here are some suggestions:

1. Eliminate ALL capital gains taxes and taxes on savings and dividends right now. Free up the capital and encourage investment. This is the kind of economic stimulus the Fair Tax would bring and if Congress is going to lose money, let them lose it with lower taxes, not with public dollar bailouts of private market mistakes.

Repeal Sarbanes/Oxley. It has failed. It was supposed to prevent this. It didn’t. Kill it.

3. Demand that the executives who steered their ships into the ground be forced to pay back the losses of their companies. Of course, they can’t, so let them work and give back to the government and they can live like the people they put on the streets or kept there. It makes no sense to put them in jail—that’s just more they will cost you and me. I’d rather them go out and earn money—just not get to keep so much of it this time. I’m not talking about limiting CEO salaries---just those of the people who now are up in Washington begging for help because they ruined their companies.
Attempts by Democrats and Republicans to blame each other is nonsense. They are both guilty and ought to own up and admit it. They all lived off big campaign contributions and the swill of the lobbyists who strong armed them into permission to steal. Enough of blame. Fix it!




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DeadtoSin
09-24-2008, 03:11 PM
How dare you post something that Ron Paul didn't say in here! Huckabee is our enemy because he doesn't support every single thing we support! No matter that we might be able to work with him on even one issue, because he isn't a true libertarian so he is evil.

</sarcasm>


Anyway, that's pretty interesting. I think Huckabee is a truthful guy, but I think he is misguided on our foreign policy.

angelatc
09-24-2008, 03:12 PM
He was a tax-n-spend guy when he was in office. He talks out of both sides of his mouth.

Dorfsmith
09-24-2008, 03:13 PM
Not a fan of the flat tax at all but I'm glad he's against the bailout. Send it to your huck supporting friends and tell them to start making calls :D

jd603
09-24-2008, 03:14 PM
Huckabee is an enemy because he tried to sell out to the neo-con globalists, little did he know he was only used as a pawn to neutralize Ron Paul by taking staunch religious voters away from him.

"Lets vote for tha preacher man , yeeehaaaw" idiots.


How dare you post something that Ron Paul didn't say in here! Huckabee is our enemy because he doesn't support every single thing we support! No matter that we might be able to work with him on even one issue, because he isn't a true libertarian so he is evil.

</sarcasm>


Anyway, that's pretty interesting. I think Huckabee is a truthful guy, but I think he is misguided on our foreign policy.

DeadtoSin
09-24-2008, 03:16 PM
blah blah blah blah I'm so close minded I can't even work with someone on issues I agree with a person on

Ok.

RonPaulR3VOLUTION
09-24-2008, 03:51 PM
Huckabee got it wrong again.

Well, he seems to be saying it was the "hubris, greed, and arrogance of [corporations]."

"These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis," said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. "The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." --September 11, 2003

It was the 'hubris, greed, and arrogance of' government.

Ron Paul explains further here:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/23/paul.bailout/index.html

It'd be nice if when copying Ron Paul's message Huckabee was at least a little more accurate. [1]

1. Its Official - CBS News - Huckabee Steals Speech from Dr. Paul http://www.city-data.com/forum/2008-presidential-election/227744-its-official-cbs-news-huckabee-steals.html

Flash
09-25-2008, 08:10 PM
How dare you post something that Ron Paul didn't say in here! Huckabee is our enemy because he doesn't support every single thing we support! No matter that we might be able to work with him on even one issue, because he isn't a true libertarian so he is evil.

</sarcasm>


Anyway, that's pretty interesting. I think Huckabee is a truthful guy, but I think he is misguided on our foreign policy.

Huckabee doesn't seem to be too bad. His fans are semi-tolerant of Ron paul too.

Pete
09-25-2008, 08:35 PM
He was a tax-n-spend guy when he was in office. He talks out of both sides of his mouth.

Huck continues his morph into RP Lite for 2012.

RoamZero
09-25-2008, 08:37 PM
He'll probably be around in 2012, maybe even along with Romney so we should be prepared.

JosephTheLibertarian
09-25-2008, 08:42 PM
He was a tax-n-spend guy when he was in office. He talks out of both sides of his mouth.

Money raised through taxation is less harmful than inflationary spending

Dave39168
09-25-2008, 08:45 PM
Huck hasn't been 100% neoconed yet.

socialize_me
09-25-2008, 08:47 PM
Funny...Huckabee talks about this bailout being "unconstitutional," yet he wants to force corporate CEO's to work certain jobs?? As much as I hate it when these companies go under and the executives get $120 million bonuses, the hate doesn't surpass the point where I disregard the 14th amendment.

Although I do agree...it would do a lot of good for these pricks to work some hard manual labor. What blows my mind is how most of these executives will get another shot somewhere else...unbelievable!!

JosephTheLibertarian
09-25-2008, 09:17 PM
Funny...Huckabee talks about this bailout being "unconstitutional," yet he wants to force corporate CEO's to work certain jobs?? As much as I hate it when these companies go under and the executives get $120 million bonuses, the hate doesn't surpass the point where I disregard the 14th amendment.

Although I do agree...it would do a lot of good for these pricks to work some hard manual labor. What blows my mind is how most of these executives will get another shot somewhere else...unbelievable!!

corporations aren't private. no private property rights

socialize_me
09-25-2008, 09:22 PM
corporations aren't private. no private property rights

..but you're not putting the corporations to work, you're forcing executives, or people, to do something they don't want to. I agree what they do is very inhumane, but how could you justify forcing someone to do something they didn't want to?? What does this movement have to stand on for principle if we're using coercive techniques to get "even" or teach them a lesson. We'll be no better than anyone else.

And yes, corporations are private. They do have private property rights. I can't just walk on an Exxon-Mobil oil rig and take a dump in their bathroom.

mstrmac1
09-25-2008, 09:26 PM
SHHHH...Its Hunting season...He is hunting for sheep!

TurtleBurger
09-25-2008, 10:09 PM
I think he's listening to Chuck Norris. Probably not too bad an idea at this point.

JosephTheLibertarian
09-25-2008, 10:11 PM
..but you're not putting the corporations to work, you're forcing executives, or people, to do something they don't want to. I agree what they do is very inhumane, but how could you justify forcing someone to do something they didn't want to?? What does this movement have to stand on for principle if we're using coercive techniques to get "even" or teach them a lesson. We'll be no better than anyone else.

And yes, corporations are private. They do have private property rights. I can't just walk on an Exxon-Mobil oil rig and take a dump in their bathroom.

corporations do not have private property rights. corporations are state sanctioned / regulated organizations. they are extentions of gov, therefore, deserve no private property rights. the shit they espouse is corporatism. the MSM uses "private property rights" to justify their tv and radio privileges. they say, "this is free market capitalism" I disagree. We don't have a free market That's why I don't give a damn about them.

dsentell
09-25-2008, 10:14 PM
Right now, I could care less who he is or what his normal positions are.

Because on this issue we agree, no bailouts!

For now Huck is our friend because he, too, wants to save our country.

HOLLYWOOD
09-25-2008, 10:23 PM
Huckabee... uses the "90% of all statistic can be made to say anything.

HUCK raised Taxes 36 times, but he lowered other taxes 38 times... but he increased fees 57 times... but ran a deficit only 50% of time when reporting 50% of the time.

Huckabee does haven't have a clue...

go back to FOX and PANDER MEDIOCRACY HUCK!


PS: Who's Ideas are you going to Steal next Huckleberry?

scandinaviany3
09-25-2008, 10:27 PM
Huckabee got it wrong again.

Well, he seems to be saying it was the "hubris, greed, and arrogance of [corporations]."

"These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis," said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. "The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing." --September 11, 2003

It was the 'hubris, greed, and arrogance of' government.

Ron Paul explains further here:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/23/paul.bailout/index.html

It'd be nice if when copying Ron Paul's message Huckabee was at least a little more accurate. [1]

1. Its Official - CBS News - Huckabee Steals Speech from Dr. Paul http://www.city-data.com/forum/2008-presidential-election/227744-its-official-cbs-news-huckabee-steals.html

how can you tell the difference in the revolving door of wall street and washington????

JosephTheLibertarian
09-25-2008, 10:29 PM
it's good to see that huckabee has a brain. but why do I care? I don't give a damn what he thinks lol

Minuteman2008
09-26-2008, 04:18 AM
Huckabee has a poor record as governor, but on this he is spot on. I also believe his support of the fair tax was better at least better than supporting the status quo. He also came around on immigration and surrounded himself with intelligent people like Mark Krikorian and Roy Beck. For someone with such a poor record the man sort of morphed into someone tolerable. He at least would have been much better than McCain (then again so would Romney, Tancredo, Hunter, etc. have been, so I guess that's not saying too much). Oh, well, we'll probably see him again in 2012, and by then maybe he'll mimick even more ideas of true conservatives.