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InThaBackGround
09-21-2008, 11:02 AM
Ok, before you go ballistic read the post.

It has long been said that to truely understand your opponent you must be able to think like them. I believe we can all agree on this point. I often tell my children and anyone else that put forward an opinion that they must have a reason, some reason to back up their opinion. Be able to defend their belief structure. In the case of the kids its usually when they profess to not like some dish my wife serves when we know for a fact they have never tried it. It is easy for all of us to have predisposed beliefs simply based on what we think we know rooted in our own upbringing.

With this said; I ask you to ponder the following questions as if you are in a logic class and you task is to produce an argument that will convince everyone, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that a single world government is in the best interest of all the people of the earth.

1) Are we so consumed with our own beliefs that we think that OUR form of government is the only form that could possibly work?

2) If there is some "hidden" agenda to reach a one world government as some would suggest is it not a good thing that our country has taken the steps to assure that the seemingly obvious seat of power is located here (The UN)?

3) What would be so wrong about living in a world where there was one power?

4) If there is a plan shouldn't the struggle be to assure that the beliefs we have, and the values we have are kept in the forfront?

5) Is this all just about fear. The fear of not having a voice, of not having control, of not having power, property, etc?

6) If we believe the ALL men are created equal doesnt this apply to ALL PEOPLE of ALL NATIONS? If this is the case shouldn't they have the same rights and freedoms that we hold dear?

7) If this is to be (one world gov) wouldn't it make for a better ruling body to transition into this government peacefully with all parties cooperating to usher it in as opposed to constant wars to the end where the strongest is at the seat of power?

There are admittedly many questions I could pose here and I encourage all to think this through as an intellectuial exercise.

THE POINT OF THIS POST IS THAT UNTIL WE CAN ALL THINK LIKE THE ELITEST THAT ARE IN CONTROL NONE OF US WILL HAVE THE ARMOUR TO DEFEAT THEM.

Peace.

Friend in Libery,

Bruno
09-21-2008, 11:08 AM
Welcome to the RPF.

For me it is simple enough to believe that a one world government would end our sovereignty and void our Constitution. I kinda like the good ole U.S.A. and the people in it just fine.

Vote Waterman 2028
09-21-2008, 11:30 AM
To answer this question correctly, we would have to know how the policies of this one world government would be. Would it be a socialist dictatorship, a congressional body with a figure head? etc. This is what makes a one world government hard to trust, is because we DONT know how it would be set up, or if we would have a say in the policy making, and elections. The problem i see with a one world government, is how are we to know exactly how people feel in other parts of the world, and if they want something different, but they arent the majority of the rest of the world population, how can you find fair ways of hearing EVERYONE. Its just not possible with a government thousands of miles away, to hear what you want to be done. Now globalization has made this possible, but even in our own country, most poor people are not heard as much as the rich, how are we to know this wont be the case with the poorer nations such as africa. Then you have to think about racism, which WILL play a role unfortunately in a one world government.


1. Our government is by no means "perfect". But we have the best chance of being perfect compared to other nations. People in our country care more about the person who is running for president and office, rather than what they support policy wise, hence why the founding fathers put the electoral college into place. Once this changes then i think we will see real change in the world, when people wake up. But our form of government is the best in which when those people wake up, they will be able to change something.

2. I think if its going to happen, i am glad that our country is at least at the forefront, but who is to say that an american would be the leader, or that he would even possess the same ideology as american citizens. Any man in my point of view, who wants to rule the entire world, is a dictator. I cant wrap my mind around a government being able to rule the world, its just not possible, there will always be riots and segregation.

3. Not that there would be anything wrong with it, but bad things can easily happen when the power of the world is in the hands of few men. this can be seen throughout human history. there would be racial tension, playing favorites, and then you have to think about basic human rights, just because our country may be the place where this takes place, doesnt mean that our rights are carried from our old constitution to the new ideology. Especially if they want to have control, i just dont see the people allowed those rights until they head the message of the government, and then by then they would be in so much control they would feel no need to hand us back our rights.

4. Yes, that is the most important thing, but the issue with that is not everyone in the world shares the same ideology as we americans do. Religion, as always, will be the issue here. Some people in the world dont see religious freedom as a good thing (iran for example). How can you convince uneducated people who are so deeply convinced that there religion is correct, to just change there minds. It will be very hard to do, and blood would be shed daily.

5. That plays a huge role in my decision making about a one world government. Everyone form the day of birth wants to be heard. Although we dont all treat eachother equally sometimes, we all wish to be treated as equals, and some of us as more than equals. I think a majority of americans would be fine with a one world government, the same people who care more about there fantasy football league than whats happening in the world right now. Those are the people (sheep) that do what they are told thinking that they will get what they have had there whole lives, and then some, only to be stripped of everything to insure "stability" in the world government. I think yes, having some control of your government is the most important thing, because if the people dont, then it will be in the hands of a few men, and we have seen in history what happens when that trust is given.

6. I agree, and the founding fathers wanted the same thing, but not through world domination. What is most important to understand is that people will not just agree to a new government or ideology when they have been living in the opposite most there lives. What america needs to do is make our country the best, have fair elections, human rights, and freedoms for everyone. A non-interventionist military, that only protects its people. When we have done that for long enough, and other countries have raped and pilaged its peoples for enough time for them to realize that there is something wrong with there government, and they want to be more like us, then they will have there own revolutions, and begin building there own nations of freedom and democracy. Now you could say, well thats not humane to not help other being killed in genocidal acts, and i have an answer for that. Ask yourself, how many innocent civilians have died in Iraq alone by the US trying to bring democracy to that country? OVER 1.2 MILLION people, including women and children of all ages.

7. Not everyone will agree, and there will be segregation and mass civil wars. rest of argument can be found above ^.

The human race is not prepared to be all together under one government, some day it may be possible, and the right things may be done, but there is to many issues we have with one another as of today.

Dequeant
09-21-2008, 11:31 AM
One world government means absolute power for a select few.

If you think changing the system now is hard, it would be impossible to change such a government.

Lastly, I personally like my bill of rights, and if we use the U.N. as a template for a one world government, we would indeed have ZERO individual rights.

SevenEyedJeff
09-21-2008, 11:34 AM
Think of it this way. What if a Hitler took over a one world government? How could you oppose him? How would you stop the world from becoming a living hell with everlasting tyranny?

sajorojas
09-21-2008, 11:43 AM
Mods lock thread. Wrong forum

Vote Waterman 2028
09-21-2008, 11:50 AM
Mods lock thread. Wrong forum

NO, i wrote so much in reply ! lol

sajorojas
09-21-2008, 11:57 AM
NO, i wrote so much in reply ! lol

Then someone move it. Maybe I'm just picking on this thread because every few weeks someone wants to talk about why a 1 world government would be great and it just makes me want to throw up.

Bruno
09-21-2008, 12:03 PM
Then someone move it. Maybe I'm just picking on this thread because every few weeks someone wants to talk about why a 1 world government would be great and it just makes me want to throw up.

I feel your pain.

But I think overall it is good to know the arguments from the other side, because like it or not, this will become more and more pervasive. We have to have good rebuttals when people start saying, "well, I heard about this all on T.V. Maybe we should move towards a NAU to help save our economy..." blah, blah, blah.

Vote Waterman 2028
09-21-2008, 12:06 PM
I feel your pain.

But I think overall it is good to know the arguments from the other side, because like it or not, this will become more and more pervasive. We have to have good rebuttals when people start saying, "well, I heard about this all on T.V. Maybe we should move towards a NAU to help save our economy..." blah, blah, blah.

read my response and you will have a fairly decent argument, if i had more time i would cite historical events to for evidence, if needed let me know.

InThaBackGround
09-21-2008, 12:31 PM
Folks,

I am not for one world gov. I like what we have, and believe as has been pointed out here that if the constitution were followed others would flock to us because they would see our freedoms and liberties.

It was entirely meant as an acedemic exercise as another pointed out "to know both sides"

There are theories out there that say this has been the goal, even of out gov since the 60's. See if you can find a copy of JFK's " freedom from war policy" presented to the UN way back then. It contains a plan that would eventually all member countries would give controll of their entire military forces to the UN. This was a real gov document.

Google and check out Wikipedia to get started researching CODEX ALIMENTARIOUS. When you find it look at the "POPULATION CONTROL measures then look at how this plan views what THIS COUNTRY should look like.

I am just reading and researching even the extreme theiries and searching for intelligent rebuttal.

Thanks for all the replies.

Truth Warrior
09-21-2008, 12:43 PM
???Whats so wrong with the idea of ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT???

Only the ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT part.

TastyWheat
09-21-2008, 12:54 PM
If you like the way our federal government runs the entire country and everybody in it then I doubt I could convince you a one-world government would be much worse.

tmosley
09-21-2008, 01:18 PM
One of the big problems with having a single big government is that monocultures inevitably lead to collapse. This is likely going to be the case in the financial world, since we have become so interdependent, when one nation goes, all are likely to go. There is no safe haven.

One of the reasons the federal system we have in America was so successful for so long is precisely because it didn't rely on central planning, but allowed people a greater degree of self determination. If someone didn't like the policies in effect in their area, they could up and leave, or change it (local governments are small enough for individuals to effect change).

That's entirely aside from the likely marginalization and oppression that is sure to come from concentration of such power into the hands of a few people. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

SeanEdwards
09-21-2008, 01:43 PM
I would support the idea of one world government, if it was modeled on Switzerland. They have a weak federal government, and their cantons, which are sorta the equivalent of American states have a great deal of autonomy and cultural individuality.

The differences between the cantons can be extreme. When I lived there, I was residing in a relatively conservative, french language speaking Canton. Just down the road, about a 30 minute drive, was a neighboring Canton, where the language was German, and marijuana was sold openly in the town center in stores that were like produce markets. The canton where I lived frowned upon marijuana usage, and there certainly weren't any storefronts selling the stuff, but they had no problem with their neighbors down the road choosing a different way to live. It was refreshing.