Class Action Suit?

[Pauls' Revere]

I was wondering what could we do collectively to stop the madness our government is doing.

What if we filed a class action lawsuit?

Would such an approach work? People of the U.S. v/s the United States for egregious actions taken upon the citizenry of this country. Perhaps someone with a legal background should draft it up and we have a money bomb to raise funds to file in court etc...I would feel really good about that and wonder what others think.

[Chase]

There are problems suing the government, because they enjoy all kinds of power with which to quash your suit. But I'm curious about something. If the federal reserve is really just a corporation, might a lawsuit against them challenging the constitutionality of the AIG bailout be more effective?

[newyearsrevolution08]

don't forget that our courts are ran by the same people though... I don't see a damn thing happening from this. Not that I am being an ass BUT I think it will take more than "suing" these assholes to win. Don't you think they are a bit larger than our court system?

[Pauls' Revere]

There are problems suing the government, because they enjoy all kinds of power with which to quash your suit. But I'm curious about something. If the federal reserve is really just a corporation, might a lawsuit against them challenging the constitutionality of the AIG bailout be more effective?

That is a great question and this is certainly a brainstorming session. I'm thinking petitions are going nowhere and the only way they will listen is if we bring down the law on them. I believe that lawsuits may be a way to go with this.
:D

[Chase]

Here's the thing. With shit collapsing all over, there is enormous pressure to point the fingers and launch the blame game. There are commentators all across the political spectrum (sometimes in the minority but always present) that will temporarily put aside any partisanship to address disasters of this nature. If the revolution were to blast the Federal Reserve with all kinds of flak -- trying to get a bill passed to audit the fed, suing the fed for debasing the currency and bailing out AIG without constitutional authority, it's possible we could gather the attention of some of those commentators and illuminate the real issue.

We have to try and spark discussion of this fraud at home. That's when it gets solved, when people get saavy to what is going on.

[Pauls' Revere]

There are problems suing the government, because they enjoy all kinds of power with which to quash your suit. But I'm curious about something. If the federal reserve is really just a corporation, might a lawsuit against them challenging the constitutionality of the AIG bailout be more effective?

Exactly!, where are the "peoples organizations" who usually scream unconstituionality when it comes to other actions except when it's a financial raping of the taxpayer.

[Pauls' Revere]

Here's the thing. With shit collapsing all over, there is enormous pressure to point the fingers and launch the blame game. There are commentators all across the political spectrum (sometimes in the minority but always present) that will temporarily put aside any partisanship to address disasters of this nature. If the revolution were to blast the Federal Reserve with all kinds of flak -- trying to get a bill passed to audit the fed, suing the fed for debasing the currency and bailing out AIG without constitutional authority, it's possible we could gather the attention of some of those commentators and illuminate the real issue.

We have to try and spark discussion of this fraud at home. That's when it gets solved, when people get saavy to what is going on.

Agreed, who are the constitutional lawyers to contact?

here's a start!
http://lawyers.findlaw.com/lawyer/practice/Constitutional%20Law?DCMP=KWC-GOOGLAWYER0804;KWC-GOOGLAWYER0804

[Pauls' Revere]

Well, we could set up a fund, we know how to raise money. Use that to pay the lawyers for the lawsuit(s) needed to prosecute and investigate this criminnal activity. I say we do it. Bring on a private sector lawsuit agaist the government and out leaders. Couldn't we sue for dereliction of duty at the very least.

[Chase]

I wonder if we could get Ron Paul to try and organize a coalition of the willing -- get the ACLU and as many other organizations involved as possible, all with the goal of suing the Fed and demanding an audit and reversal of the AIG bailout. Ron has the kind of political clout now that could get people on the high levels of some of these organizations to pay attention.

Imagine that... getting the third parties and the organizations to band together for a huge lawsuit, and then we can subpeona Helicopter Ben.

edited to add:

One of the challenges with such a suit is that many could see it as unpatriotic and dangerous when the country is in crisis. But if we got Ron Paul to gather all the support from across party lines... gather David Walker, gather everyone with clout we can to bring attention to this issue. And with more attention, such scrutiny of patriotism could be replaced with outrage over the failure of the fiat system,

[Pauls' Revere]

i wonder if we could get ron paul to try and organize a coalition of the willing -- get the aclu and as many other organizations involved as possible, all with the goal of suing the fed and demanding an audit and reversal of the aig bailout. Ron has the kind of political clout now that could get people on the high levels of some of these organizations to pay attention.

Imagine that... Getting the third parties and the organizations to band together for a huge lawsuit, and then we can subpeona helicopter ben.

woohoo we nailed it!!!

[Chase]

Who here knows how to get these things to campaign central? Or do we just have to wait for it to bubble up through the memosphere?

edit: haha, silly me, contact form on the website. I sent the idea along.

[Chase]

Who here knows how to get these things to campaign central? Or do we just have to wait for it to bubble up through the memosphere?

edit: haha, silly me, contact form on the website. I sent the idea along.

The more I think about it, the more I think the time and venue is perfect. Ron Paul knows more about the Fed than most other outsiders, which would be handy in knowing what to target in discovery.

The state might try to quash, in which case your best hope is to be very prepared for a massive PR blitz slamming the administration for trying to cover up the truth. You might have a better chance of evading a dismissal than most suits of this nature since the Federal Reserve is a corporation and thus, in theory, subject to more liability than the government holds itself to.

And I think the other thing that I like about this idea is that it is high time these men be called to answer for their crimes. The debasement of the dollar will go down as the greatest swindle in history if we allow these nuts to continue deficit spending.

If you think about it, this very moment could be the endgame for all we've fought for. Bernanke thinks the economy could be days away from total meltdown, and while I'm sure they're trying to steer out of it, we now find ourselves with the opportunity of a lifetime... that on the tail end of Ron Paul's career, after being mostly ignored for 30 years, he could call out the central banking system's corruption in public and fight down policy few others are willing to challenge. These events could be a catalyst if we all begin to scream.

[erika]

I wonder if we could get Ron Paul to try and organize a coalition of the willing -- get the ACLU and as many other organizations involved as possible, all with the goal of suing the Fed and demanding an audit and reversal of the AIG bailout. Ron has the kind of political clout now that could get people on the high levels of some of these organizations to pay attention.

Imagine that... getting the third parties and the organizations to band together for a huge lawsuit, and then we can subpeona Helicopter Ben.

edited to add:

One of the challenges with such a suit is that many could see it as unpatriotic and dangerous when the country is in crisis. But if we got Ron Paul to gather all the support from across party lines... gather David Walker, gather everyone with clout we can to bring attention to this issue. And with more attention, such scrutiny of patriotism could be replaced with outrage over the failure of the fiat system,


The aclu is a zionist front group. They're the lawyer gatekeepers.

http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-organizations-ACLU.html

[Bman]

The aclu is a zionist front group. They're the lawyer gatekeepers.

http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-organizations-ACLU.html

You've got to be kidding. That website looks like it was designed by a chimp. I'd have to assume the research was also done by a chimp. A little professionalism goes a long way.

I mean it looks like that website is just pissed off that religion isn't part of school curriculum. What that would have to do with Jews is beyond me. Plus it's a good thing. At least I don't have to worry about children learning about how Allah wants them to blow themselves up.

[Sarge]

You all might want to read this,

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=ae6b6P1L8E_E&refer=home

They are building in a no lawsuit clause.

[Matt Collins]

Government can only be sued if it allows itself to be. The legal concept is called "sovereign immunity" if you want to look it up.

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

nt

[specsaregood]

Try this group: We The People Foundation

http://www.givemeliberty.org/

They have years invested in just what this thread proposes.

They already did file a lawsuit.
http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/PROJECTS/AIG/AIG-PressReleaseSept18-2008.pdf

The problem is that they have the authority to do this in the Federal Reserve Act Section 13:
http://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/section13.htm


3. Discounts for Individuals, Partnerships, and Corporations
In unusual and exigent circumstances, the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System, by the affirmative vote of not less than five members, may authorize any Federal reserve bank, during such periods as the said board may determine, at rates established in accordance with the provisions of section 14, subdivision (d), of this Act, to discount for any individual, partnership, or corporation, notes, drafts, and bills of exchange when such notes, drafts, and bills of exchange are indorsed or otherwise secured to the satisfaction of the Federal Reserve bank: Provided, That before discounting any such note, draft, or bill of exchange for an individual, partnership, or corporation the Federal reserve bank shall obtain evidence that such individual, partnership, or corporation is unable to secure adequate credit accommodations from other banking institutions. All such discounts for individuals, partnerships, or corporations shall be subject to such limitations, restrictions, and regulations as the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System may prescribe. [12 USC 343. As added by act of July 21, 1932 (47 Stat. 715); and amended by acts of Aug. 23, 1935 (49 Stat. 714) and Dec. 19, 1991 (105 Stat. 2386.]

[Pauls' Revere]

Who here knows how to get these things to campaign central? Or do we just have to wait for it to bubble up through the memosphere?

edit: haha, silly me, contact form on the website. I sent the idea along.

Thanks a lot was up late last night...

Any other thoughts on this?

[Pauls' Revere]

You all might want to read this,

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=ae6b6P1L8E_E&refer=home

They are building in a no lawsuit clause.

This is an outrage! :mad:

Through his plan, Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson aims to avert a credit freeze that would bring the financial system and the world's largest economy to a standstill. The bill would prevent courts from reviewing actions taken under its authority.


Non-U.S. Financial Instituions??!! China perhaps? WTF

The Treasury would also have discretion, after discussions with the Fed, to make non-U.S. financial institutions eligible under the program.

[LittleLightShining]

Government can only be sued if it allows itself to be. The legal concept is called "sovereign immunity" if you want to look it up.Matt, shut up. Go eat Dorito's and watch porn or something while the rest of us try to accomplish something. The Federal Reserve isn't the government.


They already did file a lawsuit.
http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/PROJECTS/AIG/AIG-PressReleaseSept18-2008.pdf

The problem is that they have the authority to do this in the Federal Reserve Act Section 13:
http://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/section13.htmCan we try to prove that the Fed is unconstitutional and by offering taxpayers' money to bail out foreign banks and business they are acting treasonously against the American people?

[Matt Collins]

Matt, shut up. Go eat Dorito's and watch porn or something while the rest of us try to accomplish something. The Federal Reserve isn't the government.No need to be rude.

I am simply laying out the facts.

And I would be willing to bet that the fed has sovereign immunity just like AT&T does.

[sratiug]

No need to be rude.

I am simply laying out the facts.

And I would be willing to bet that the fed has sovereign immunity just like AT&T does.

How about this fact. The Federal Reserve System does not exist. It is a figment of our overlords imagination. You can't sue the Federal Reserve banks because they are not chartered corporations in any state. Do a search of the United States Constitution and tell me where the word "corporation" exists. The Congress has zero power to charter corporations. These are not corporations, they are mafia.

[AJ Antimony]

They already did file a lawsuit.
http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/PROJECTS/AIG/AIG-PressReleaseSept18-2008.pdf

The problem is that they have the authority to do this in the Federal Reserve Act Section 13:
http://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/section13.htm

Yes, but that isn't constitutional authority. A suit to challenge the constitutionality of the past few bailouts and this $700B super-monster-mother of all-bailouts from hell might work. Remember, the Supreme Court DID strike down the DC gun ban and it DID strike down the Military Commissions Act and it DID strike down numerous Roosevelt laws during the Depression. They may come through again.

[pepperpete1]

Yes, but that isn't constitutional authority. A suit to challenge the constitutionality of the past few bailouts and this $700B super-monster-mother of all-bailouts from hell might work. Remember, the Supreme Court DID strike down the DC gun ban and it DID strike down the Military Commissions Act and it DID strike down numerous Roosevelt laws during the Depression. They may come through again.

http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/Update/Update2008-09-18.htm

If you have not already signed the petitions, please do so now, even if they have been served on our legislators. We have the right to not pay taxes if they refuse to answer the petitions for redress as stated in the Constitution. Write or call your representatives and TELL them that you want them to address the petitions NOW. This is an election year and if they do not do their jobs, they are looking at being fired. These petitions cover alot of the unconstitutional laws and acts that the "regime" has put into effect to insure their power stays in place.

If all of us and anyone that we talk to (give them the rep's ph. #s if you have to) calls and firmly DEMANDS that they do so, we may get something accomplished without bloodshed.

[yongrel]

Class action suits have one purpose: make lawyers extremely wealthy.

They benefit only the select few scheisters who can con a big bunch of folks into supporting them, and achieve no real progress.

[specsaregood]

Yes, but that isn't constitutional authority. A suit to challenge the constitutionality of the past few bailouts and this $700B super-monster-mother of all-bailouts from hell might work. Remember, the Supreme Court DID strike down the DC gun ban and it DID strike down the Military Commissions Act and it DID strike down numerous Roosevelt laws during the Depression. They may come through again.

Agreed, but as it stands the only way to stop this is to prove the unconstitutionality of the entire Federal Reserve. If you fail at that then you can't stop these bailouts as the Fed as the "authority" to bailout whomever they want.

[AJ Antimony]

http://www.wethepeoplefoundation.org/Update/Update2008-09-18.htm

If you have not already signed the petitions, please do so now, even if they have been served on our legislators. We have the right to not pay taxes if they refuse to answer the petitions for redress as stated in the Constitution. Write or call your representatives and TELL them that you want them to address the petitions NOW. This is an election year and if they do not do their jobs, they are looking at being fired. These petitions cover alot of the unconstitutional laws and acts that the "regime" has put into effect to insure their power stays in place.

If all of us and anyone that we talk to (give them the rep's ph. #s if you have to) calls and firmly DEMANDS that they do so, we may get something accomplished without bloodshed.

IMHO, petitions are bullshit. An easier way to get things done is to elect new representatives. Easier said than done, yes, but I'd rather talk 100,000 people into electing a new congressman rather than talking them into signing a petition which most likely won't scare anybody into changing policy. Losing 10% of the vote is much scarier than a petition.

[AJ Antimony]

Agreed, but as it stands the only way to stop this is to prove the unconstitutionality of the entire Federal Reserve. If you fail at that then you can't stop these bailouts as the Fed as the "authority" to bailout whomever they want.

I see what you're saying, but again, the Fed doesn't have constitutional authority. It's authority comes from a law, not the constitution. Although I think we're talking about the same thing--the Fed is unconstitutional and so are its socialist bailouts.

[BeFranklin]

There are many organizations that might take these cases - and I think a bunch of them ought to file - since this is all over the political spectrum.

You could start making a list of such organizations and we could start trying them get them to do something. A list of such organiations to contact would be useful. I'd also like to be able to check to see which ones don't take this since its so important.

One such organization for instance might be
http://www.judicialwatch.org/
Judicial Watch.

There are a whole bunch of others; and this affects people of all persuasions.