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FrankRep
09-20-2008, 08:52 AM
Hacking Democracy - Full Length (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVTXbARGXso)




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVTXbARGXso
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVTXbARGXso

Official Website:
http://www.hackingdemocracy.com/

IPSecure
09-20-2008, 08:58 AM
'Uncounted the Movie' will completely destroy anyone's belief that the American Voting System is valid...

http://www.uncountedthemovie.com/

Truth Warrior
09-20-2008, 11:19 AM
"Uncounted". cable, Starz, On Demand ;)

devil21
09-20-2008, 02:37 PM
Diebold changed its name to Premier Election Systems after that documentary was released. Ive been seeing scattered reports of jurisdictions dumping the electronic systems so progress is slowly being made.

HOLLYWOOD
09-20-2008, 04:13 PM
Diebold changed its name to Premier Election Systems after that documentary was released. Ive been seeing scattered reports of jurisdictions dumping the electronic systems so progress is slowly being made.
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Diebold sold themselves to make the money trail harder to follower. I'm sure plenty of Diebold "RECORDS" have disappeared or were destroyed.

Travlyr
08-29-2012, 05:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVTXbARGXso
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVTXbARGXso

An hour and a half well spent.

pcosmar
08-29-2012, 09:37 PM
The good thing this year is,,
It doesn't fucking matter.

Travlyr
08-29-2012, 10:13 PM
The good thing this year is,,
It doesn't fucking matter.

lolz... that is the good thing for sure. This year... it doesn't fuckin matter.

donnay
08-29-2012, 10:20 PM
Nope, it doesn't. They cheated us in 2008, and when I warned people, they dismissed me as a sore loser and conspiracy theorist and told me to shut up. This election they cheated us right in plain view, then laughed about it. Arrogant pricks! :mad:

RonRules
08-29-2012, 10:30 PM
'Uncounted the Movie' will completely destroy anyone's belief that the American Voting System is valid...

http://www.uncountedthemovie.com/

At 0.08 seconds into this video, is that "Charlie Cheater" from Maine?

RonRules
08-29-2012, 10:31 PM
Nope, it doesn't. They cheated us in 2008, and when I warned people, they dismissed me as a sore loser and conspiracy theorist and told me to shut up. This election they cheated us right in plain view, then laughed about it. Arrogant pricks! :mad:

I agree with yo Donnay! Whoo Hooo!

LibertyEagle
08-29-2012, 10:50 PM
Nope, it doesn't. They cheated us in 2008, and when I warned people, they dismissed me as a sore loser and conspiracy theorist and told me to shut up. This election they cheated us right in plain view, then laughed about it. Arrogant pricks! :mad:

Thing is, if we want to stop this, we have to do it long before an election cycle is already in progress. Because then, it is too late to change anything.

dillo
08-29-2012, 11:23 PM
2004 taught the cheaters an invaluable lesson, if the person concedes nobody gives a shit. In Iowa this year, there has been speculative rampant fraud against Dr. Paul. However the discrepancy in counting was between Santorum and Mittens. Since one of them conceded it wasn't investigated.

donnay
08-29-2012, 11:24 PM
Thing is, if we want to stop this, we have to do it long before an election cycle is already in progress. Because then, it is too late to change anything.

How do we change a system that is completely corrupted? Those in power are simply not going to relinquish power without a fight. We see how dirty these scoundrels play. We tried to be nice and see how well that worked?

Besides, I am not looking for a leader. I am looking for my countrymen to understand that we have the power to change this corrupt system. We have the power to force these treasonous bastards to run and hide, especially, when we come after them with the rule of law. We have the constitution on our side. We are dealing with traitors, plain and simple. Once my countrymen understand that, then we can effect change--but only then.

susano
08-29-2012, 11:56 PM
As far as I can figure, the only way to get paper ballots, hand counted with no computer tabulation AT ALL, ballot initiatives are necessary. It would be near impossible to campaign/advertise against.

parocks
08-30-2012, 01:38 AM
How do we change a system that is completely corrupted? Those in power are simply not going to relinquish power without a fight. We see how dirty these scoundrels play. We tried to be nice and see how well that worked?

Besides, I am not looking for a leader. I am looking for my countrymen to understand that we have the power to change this corrupt system. We have the power to force these treasonous bastards to run and hide, especially, when we come after them with the rule of law. We have the constitution on our side. We are dealing with traitors, plain and simple. Once my countrymen understand that, then we can effect change--but only then.

"How do we change a system that is completely corrupted? Those in power are simply not going to relinquish power without a fight."

Right, a fight.

Let's fight later today. Fight the msm. They're there. They certainly weren't helpful. But, of course, focus on Romney. You can always just spit in the face of a news person you don't like. Piss on Bill Kristol.

Hopefully we can complete purge any references to Gandhi from our political thinking. We now understand how they believe it is perfectly appropriate to behave. And those tactics were effective. Apparently, anything goes.

Travlyr
08-30-2012, 05:54 AM
Politics is a dirty business. They lie, cheat, and steal from the people, laugh in our faces as they travel the world, party hardy at our expense, and claim diplomatic immunity for themselves.

World Bank, IMF, & the New World Order

This exchange starts at 3:45.

Senator Cafiero you are a historic leader of the Peronist party, how do you explain Menem's treason?

It happens frequently in the political life of every nation. There's a small French book, "In Praise of Treason", where they prove that treason is part and parcel of politics. To succeed, you have to lie. If you say what you think, no one will vote for you. That is what happened in Argentina, but much more intensely, let's face it, when Menem was in power, he even admitted he hid his goals to get elected. Of course, in my opinion, it's politically unethical, but that's the reality. Then some international parameters changed, and the model gradually exhausted itself.

How do you explain the existence of a real "mafiocracy"? Economic power, banks and the political class...

On that Pino, I won't pass judgement... how can I put it ... in an absolute way. My long experience has taught me that things are relative. It is not all black and white, things are not corrupt or pure. Argentinean society as a whole cannot call itself pure and assign corruption to the ruling classes. The ruling classes come from that society. On one hand, we politicians have been a failure, and I'll assume my part of responsibility. But on the other hand, many of the ruling circles let us down, and to reach a verdict on everyone, I'd say we're all in Dante's Hell.

Menem hid his goals to get elected and yet George H. W. Bush seems quite cozy with Menem after he committed his treason.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dbb4U8v3YQ&feature=relmfu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dbb4U8v3YQ&feature=relmfu

RonRules
08-30-2012, 06:59 AM
As far as I can figure, the only way to get paper ballots, hand counted with no computer tabulation AT ALL, ballot initiatives are necessary. It would be near impossible to campaign/advertise against.

Paper only is not necessarily better. In Russia and the Ukraine, the fraud is with paper and the 7% that are counted electronically are fine!

What we need are paper ballots that are scanned electronically and counted manually at each precinct. Election staff are already in place. The information is now duplicated, can be verified later and much less likely to be changed. It is important to count locally and publish the information for each precinct locally. Any problem such as ballot stuffing or vote plucking will more likely be identified locally.

Where manual counting was done in New Hampshire in 2012, the results did not have statistical anomalies. Similarly in Iowa, where the manual counts were immediately recorded by the Watch the Vote people, the results were fair.

Using the published local results, the public can verify the central tabulation if they need to. It's just a matter of adding the results for each precinct.

In California on the other hand, all ballots are centrally counted at the County level. The ballots are counted by large high speed scanners that are part of the central tabulation system. The vote data gets converted to an encrypted file (binary actually) that nobody can decipher. The electronic chain of custody at that point is then lost. It is the central tabulator that produces the local results for each precinct. It is completely backwards.

pcosmar
08-30-2012, 08:25 AM
Thing is, if we want to stop this, we have to do it long before an election cycle is already in progress. Because then, it is too late to change anything.

And when it that? Romney has been running ever since the deal with McCain was made.
There is never a time "out of cycle".

pcosmar
08-30-2012, 08:27 AM
How do we change a system that is completely corrupted?

A question pondered by many.

Unfortunately, it can not be discussed.

:(

Jamesiv1
09-01-2012, 12:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVTXbARGXso
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVTXbARGXso

Official Website:
http://www.hackingdemocracy.com/

I wish they had spent more time on the memory card executable code. Good coders could figure out the code and see exactly what it does - simple enough.

Instead, the Finnish guy wrote his own code and put it on the card. A "mother of a security hole"? - maybe - but not a smoking gun.

She asked the Diebold engineer guy "Can votes be changed using only a memory card?" - and he said "No" - which might be true with a factory card, rather than after Finnish guy messed with it.

The key is the code they discovered on the factory-delivered card. "What does it do?" was conspicuously absent from the investigation.

Good film, though.

Travlyr
09-01-2012, 12:20 PM
I wish they had spent more time on the memory card executable code. Good coders could figure out the code and see exactly what it does - simple enough.

Instead, the Finnish guy wrote his own code and put it on the card. A "mother of a security hole"? - maybe - but not a smoking gun.

She asked the Diebold engineer guy "Can votes be changed using only a memory card?" - and he said "No" - which might be true with a factory card, rather than after Finnish guy messed with it.

The key is the code they discovered on the factory-delivered card. "What does it do?" was conspicuously absent from the investigation.

Good film, though.
Why would a memory card need an executable file at all? Simply having it on the card is suspect.

Jamesiv1
09-01-2012, 12:58 PM
Why would a memory card need an executable file at all? Simply having it on the card is suspect.

Suspect in the context of the film, sure. But it could have been who knows what... encryption code, security code, who knows?

How much code was it? What does it do? I've done a little coding and those questions came immediately to mind. Easy enough questions to answer - but they conspicuously left that part out. that's all I'm saying.

It just struck me that the memory card deal was the climax of the film, they drummed it up big and then left a great big question mark hanging over it.

Good film, though - I'm not discounting that. I just felt a little used and abused right there at the end.