Notice: If you hijack threads with support McCain or Support Obama you will be

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

nt

[FindLiberty]

+1776 - Liberty is the solution.

[libertythor]

+1000

[Bman]

+1787

voing for McCain or Obama and trying to get other people to vote for them is RIDICULOUS!!!

[moostraks]

thank you,thank you, thank you....this needed to be said!!!

[libertythor]

The Obama ones are very pernicious.

[crusader]

Stick this!!!

We also need to start a thread on people who have clearly tried to support Mccain/Obama and start a list of people to ignore!!!!!! :D

[newyearsrevolution08]

Makes enough sense to me,

I also think those obama and mccain supporters need to LEAVE

free speech is one thing BUT many try and convince people here to fall for that "who would you RATHER have as president though" bullshit.

I don't care if it is right or wrong, get these assholes off the boards so we can get back to LIBERTY CANDIDATES.

Mccain, Obama, Palin and Biden supporters do not belong here. I could understand back in the day when we were trying to convert other candidate supporters BUT if they have not converted YET, odds are their mind is pretty made up for this election.

BOOT EM and call me what you want.

Anyone who stumbles on this forum and sees "why we need to vote for mccain" or "obama will be better because he will collapse the country first" stupid ass threads might think that we as a whole are onboard with those STUPID IDIOTIC ideas.

[newyearsrevolution08]

Stick this!!!

We also need to start a thread on people who have clearly tried to support Mccain/Obama and start a list of people to ignore!!!!!! :D

get them out of here and ban by ip.

[acptulsa]

Naw. Let 'em stay.

They are the whetstones upon which we sharpen and hone our arguments.

It would be very nice, however, if they would stop hijacking threads and confine their activities to the proper subforum. Seems to me if we're accused of being to rude to sway people they could learn from our mistakes... :rolleyes:

[newyearsrevolution08]

Naw. Let 'em stay.

They are the whetstones upon which we sharpen and hone our arguments.

It would be very nice, however, if they would stop hijacking threads and confine their activities to the proper subforum. Seems to me if we're accused of being to rude to sway people they could learn from our mistakes... :rolleyes:

I would rather boot them out of here and let US going over to their mccain and obama forums and hone our arguments over there..

We can call it

Operation WAKE THE FUCK UP!

[acptulsa]

I would rather boot them out of here and let US going over to their mccain and obama forums and hone our arguments over there..

We can call it

Operation WAKE THE FUCK UP!

Why not all of the above? Get warmed up here, critique each other, then charge!

[newyearsrevolution08]

Why not all of the above? Get warmed up here, critique each other, then charge!

not a bad idea

We should actually get something setup actually

get a list of forums

get a list of objectives

and then infiltrate


we all have been in enough debates and arguments over the last year anyways, I think we would have no problem blending in then taking over.

[ProBlue33]

So suddenly when it doesn't suite your mindset you want to limit peoples liberty on this board??? Limit their free speech. Limit their choices. Ron Paul doesn't stand for that.

I will clearly state I am Pro Ron Paul that's why I am here, I am also extremely anti
McCain / Palin. Guess who is left? The Third party can't win this election cycle, it can only protest and send a message, all Ron Paul supporters must accept this and wrap their head around it.

Everybody on this board has free choice, those of us who have been posting since 2007 are no trolls, if we are realistic and pragmatic.

Barr is a fool.
Nader ideals are too far from Ron's.
Baldwin is too religious.

Again this is my point of view, and my liberty allows me to have it, and should allow me to post it.

And so, for a persons like me I either stay home on election day, or we try and stop McCain together

[newyearsrevolution08]

So suddenly when it doesn't suite your mindset you want to limit peoples liberty on this board??? Limit their free speech. Limit their choices. Ron Paul doesn't stand for that.

I will clearly state I am Pro Ron Paul that's why I am here, I am also extremely anti
McCain / Palin. Guess who is left? The Third party can't win this election cycle, it can only protest and send a message, all Ron Paul supporters must accept this and wrap their head around it.

Everybody on this board has free choice, those of us who have been posting since 2007 are no trolls, if we are realistic and pragmatic.

Barr is a fool.
Nader ideals are too far from Ron's.
Baldwin is too religious.

Again this is my point of view, and my liberty allows me to have it, and should allow me to post it.

And so, for a persons like me I either stay home on election day, or we try and stop McCain together

Wow it took longer than I thought for this "cookie cutter" free speech remark... maybe that was due to it being early in the morning lol.

FREE CHOICE

free everything

I get it

but here is something you don't get

Look at the top of this page and see what forum this is...

Does it say

mccainforums.com

or


obamaforums.com

or

freespeechfortheworldandweallcanhugforums.com

I think that is a ron paul name up there


Ron Paul wants us to vote for who again?

Why should people promote mccain and obama voting in here?

Why not go to a mccain or obama forum for that?


free speech

free the world

everyone hug

lol


you guys are a dime a dozen in here.

Free speech has zero to do with trying to sidetrack the goal at hand. Even ron paul himself said voting for mccain or obama is NOT what he would suggest but rather vote for a 3rd party candidate of your choosing. Why would we want people to promote mccain or obama in here?

there are a billion threads all over this forum about "Why I am voting for mccain" as well as for obama. New people see that shit and then they see people like yourself saying "speak your mind, vote for mccain if you want to and please keep promoting him here! woohoo free speech all the way".

Why not make sure they understand FIRST what it is ron paul is wanting from us versus trying to stand on your free speech internet soap box of justice.

[acptulsa]

So suddenly when it doesn't suite [sic] your mindset you want to limit peoples liberty on this board??? Limit their free speech. Limit their choices. Ron Paul doesn't stand for that.

This place is private property, and if Josh wishes it to be a place where certain things can be discussed without interference by paid trolls who wish to bury substantive debate on other issues in this two-parties-only claptrap I applaud him.

[EndTheFed]

So suddenly when it doesn't suite your mindset you want to limit peoples liberty on this board??? Limit their free speech. Limit their choices. Ron Paul doesn't stand for that.

I will clearly state I am Pro Ron Paul that's why I am here, I am also extremely anti
McCain / Palin. Guess who is left? The Third party can't win this election cycle, it can only protest and send a message, all Ron Paul supporters must accept this and wrap their head around it.

Everybody on this board has free choice, those of us who have been posting since 2007 are no trolls, if we are realistic and pragmatic.

Barr is a fool.
Nader ideals are too far from Ron's.
Baldwin is too religious.

Again this is my point of view, and my liberty allows me to have it, and should allow me to post it.

And so, for a persons like me I either stay home on election day, or we try and stop McCain together

I Completely agree with your points.. Except... Im voting for mccain palin... sorry...

:)

[EndTheFed]

Wow it took longer than I thought for this "cookie cutter" free speech remark... maybe that was due to it being early in the morning lol.

FREE CHOICE

free everything

I get it

but here is something you don't get

Look at the top of this page and see what forum this is...

Does it say

mccainforums.com

or


obamaforums.com

or

freespeechfortheworldandweallcanhugforums.com

I think that is a ron paul name up there


Ron Paul wants us to vote for who again?

Why should people promote mccain and obama voting in here?

Why not go to a mccain or obama forum for that?


free speech

free the world

everyone hug

lol


you guys are a dime a dozen in here.

Free speech has zero to do with trying to sidetrack the goal at hand. Even ron paul himself said voting for mccain or obama is NOT what he would suggest but rather vote for a 3rd party candidate of your choosing. Why would we want people to promote mccain or obama in here?

there are a billion threads all over this forum about "Why I am voting for mccain" as well as for obama. New people see that shit and then they see people like yourself saying "speak your mind, vote for mccain if you want to and please keep promoting him here! woohoo free speech all the way".

Why not make sure they understand FIRST what it is ron paul is wanting from us versus trying to stand on your free speech internet soap box of justice.


So are you suggesting I leave the movement also... I sure would like to continue to support Ron Paul where I cvan. I would love to continue to help educate people ..

[newyearsrevolution08]

So are you suggesting I leave the movement also... I sure would like to continue to support Ron Paul where I cvan. I would love to continue to help educate people ..


I Completely agree with your points.. Except... Im voting for mccain palin... sorry...

:)


You are voting for mccain/palin but you are for Ron Paul? I am so confused...

Ask Ron Paul if he is voting for mccain/palin as well then I will agree with you being in "the movement" if that is the word of the day.

I can go back and forth with you over the lesser or greater than two evils blah blah blah but that only goes in circles.

What I can't wrap my brain around is HOW can you be for Ron Paul while voting FOR mccain? He stands for everything that ron paul does not, as does obama..

Should you leave? that is your business but if you are FOR mccain I really can't see how you can honestly say you are for this "movement" as you put it.

[amy31416]

Think about these possibilities:

1. By shouting down the few, IMO, misguided folks who are voting for McCAIN, there might be five other people on here who are also voting for him who will no longer voice their opinions, thus giving those who would debate no chance to possibly change their minds. If they truly were RP supporters, they can't be all bad, though there is no way in hell that I'd vote for that warmongering duo and I don't understand it a bit.

2. For the McCain voters: by blindly promoting McCain, you're likely encouraging people to counter your vote by voting Obama. (vice versa too, but there are fewer Obama people here, I think.)

It's kind of like the Barr-Baldwin stuff, when I'd see Baldwin bashed, I'd want to vote for Baldwin and vice-versa. Except in this case, when I see people promoting a vote for McCain, I want to vote Obama to negate their vote. Not that I will, just saying.

I think that those promoting McCain or Obama on this board had better have a pretty thick skin, given that many of us were very attracted not only by Paul's economic stance (which NEITHER of them are good on) and his anti-war stance (and NOBODY could be worse on that than the McCain-Palin duo.)

[ProBlue33]

I Completely agree with your points.. Except... Im voting for mccain palin... sorry...

:)

I have way more respect for a Ron Paul supporter voting for McCain, than these guys who say we can't talk about this because it's trolling, screw that.

We all come from different sides politically, the left joined with the right to support Ron Paul, we put are own personal feelings aside for the greater good, so it's no surprize that many will drift back to where they came from, since we can't elect Ron Paul anymore.

And so it's natural for some Ron Paul supporters to decide they will vote for McCain or Obama. And some on this board will be vocal about it. The Admin and mods just need to see when these posters registered and and how many posts they have. I agree NEW people need to be looked at with a critical eye.

[acptulsa]

I have way more respect for a Ron Paul supporter voting for McCain, than these guys who say we can't talk about this because it's trolling, screw that.

It's not the expressing that bothers me in particular, it's the hijacking. That, by killing other, unrelated substantive debate, is what looks like trolling to me.

[newyearsrevolution08]

Think about these possibilities:

1. By shouting down the few, IMO, misguided folks who are voting for McCAIN, there might be five other people on here who are also voting for him who will no longer voice their opinions, thus giving those who would debate no chance to possibly change their minds. If they truly were RP supporters, they can't be all bad, though there is no way in hell that I'd vote for that warmongering duo and I don't understand it a bit.

2. For the McCain voters: by blindly promoting McCain, you're likely encouraging people to counter your vote by voting Obama. (vice versa too, but there are fewer Obama people here, I think.)

It's kind of like the Barr-Baldwin stuff, when I'd see Baldwin bashed, I'd want to vote for Baldwin and vice-versa. Except in this case, when I see people promoting a vote for McCain, I want to vote Obama to negate their vote. Not that I will, just saying.

I think that those promoting McCain or Obama on this board had better have a pretty thick skin, given that many of us were very attracted not only by Paul's economic stance (which NEITHER of them are good on) and his anti-war stance (and NOBODY could be worse on that than the McCain-Palin duo.)

I see the point minus, those who switched from ron paul TO mccain already KNEW the truth and points, they are mainly voting in worry of the OTHER winning and throwing their reason out the window.

As far as NEW mccain supporters who come here, they don't and even if they do they ask regular questions like "Why would you support that crazy ron paul?" and wait for an answer.

Those who WERE ron paul supporters are now trying to site reason as to why WE should make sure to vote for ONE of them (either mccain or obama) in hopes of making sure ONE wins over the other and that really does not benefit anyone on this forum, my opinion but I think it is a valid one.

What is the point of sitting on a ron paul forum when you are FOR MCCAIN? odds are to try and convince others to vote mccain in hopes to beat out obama. What is the point of sitting on a ron paul forum when you are FOR OBAMA? odds are to try and convince others to vote for obama in hopes to beat out mccain.

I am fine with ACTUAL obama and mccain supporters coming in here to discuss and debate but what about those who have been here for over a year and have recently flipped. They are well informed and happily try and persuade other ron paul supporters into voting for obama or mccain with stupid ass "Why we should vote mccain" and "Why we can't let mccain win" threads.

[newyearsrevolution08]

I have way more respect for a Ron Paul supporter voting for McCain, than these guys who say we can't talk about this because it's trolling, screw that.

We all come from different sides politically, the left joined with the right to support Ron Paul, we put are own personal feelings aside for the greater good, so it's no surprize that many will drift back to where they came from, since we can't elect Ron Paul anymore.

And so it's natural for some Ron Paul supporters to decide they will vote for McCain or Obama. And some on this board will be vocal about it. The Admin and mods just need to see when these posters registered and and how many posts they have. I agree NEW people need to be looked at with a critical eye.

you are not even getting the point buddy. No one is TELLING you what you can say or can't say. Freedom of speech I got it, but, n/m lol

/insert cookie cutter speech about freedom of speech and ron paul wants everyone to have an opinion

Drifting from LIBERTIES to removal of liberties is much more than a simple "drift".

Drifting from NO FED to HUGE FED is a bit more than a drift.

Going from supporting ron paul and his ideals to socialistic obama or super war mccain is a bit more than a drift.


Ron Paul even said he wanted us to vote for the 4 (now 3) 3rd party candidates who shared core platform views with him, if these people are true ron paul supporters why won't they listen to him unless you WANT to vote for mccain or obama?

[acptulsa]

They are well informed and happily try and persuade other ron paul supporters into voting for obama or mccain with stupid ass "Why we should vote mccain" and "Why we can't let mccain win" threads.

Stupid or not, effective or not, I much prefer these threads to hijacks. Interspersing other conversations with it is just a good way to piss people off.

[EndTheFed]

You are voting for mccain/palin but you are for Ron Paul? I am so confused...

Ask Ron Paul if he is voting for mccain/palin as well then I will agree with you being in "the movement" if that is the word of the day.

I can go back and forth with you over the lesser or greater than two evils blah blah blah but that only goes in circles.

What I can't wrap my brain around is HOW can you be for Ron Paul while voting FOR mccain? He stands for everything that ron paul does not, as does obama..

Should you leave? that is your business but if you are FOR mccain I really can't see how you can honestly say you are for this "movement" as you put it.

It is really VERY simple for me...

1) I Like Ron Paul. I fully supported him while he was in the running. I continue to try to educate people to the issues. But I am NOT in lock step with him or anyone else.

2) Yes coulsd go round and round aboue lesser of two evils. That does not mean none the issue is not valid.

3) If the supreme court get filled with "legislators" rather than "Interpretors" the "movement " will have much more difficulty dealing with this. plain andsimple./

[newyearsrevolution08]

Stupid or not, effective or not, I much prefer these threads to hijacks. Interspersing other conversations with it is just a good way to piss people off.

I do agree,

also I loved when palin came out because a TON of so called ron paul supporters jumped on the mccain bandwagon in full colors. I also find it funny that many removed their palin avatars and sigs since they realized she wasn't some amazing patriot.

Flip flop all they want, and I do agree as far as those threads versus jacking others BUT it is usually the same people who are doing both tactics. They are here solely trying to persuade ron paul supporters into thinking that mccain or obama actually makes sense and that in itself is just fucking crazy.

obama and mccain are both shitty men and will be terrible presidents, I give them a tie for the shitty president award so why vote for either?

they are both for war
they are both for more taxes
they are both for illegal alien hand outs
they are both for the same crap
they both flip flop

they are just trying to get elected by any means necessary and will run the country into the ground. both will do that so why not support one of the candidates that ron paul wants us to UNLESS the person is really not FOR ron paul.

[EndTheFed]

It's not the expressing that bothers me in particular, it's the hijacking. That, by killing other, unrelated substantive debate, is what looks like trolling to me.

Im not sure exactly what you mean by hijacking... if ther is no interestin the subject.. let it die... ifno one talks back they (i guess this includes me)
will quyit bothering...

[mconder]

No doubt! And to that I would add that proselytizing people on this board it probably a waste of time, you're not going to win many converts.

[ProBlue33]

It is really VERY simple for me...

1) I Like Ron Paul. I fully supported him while he was in the running. I continue to try to educate people to the issues. But I am NOT in lock step with him or anyone else.

2) Yes coulsd go round and round aboue lesser of two evils. That does not mean none the issue is not valid.

3) If the supreme court get filled with "legislators" rather than "Interpretors" the "movement " will have much more difficulty dealing with this. plain andsimple./

Interesting for some it comes down to different issues that to them trump all others as to what ticket they will vote for

Like conservatives judges vs liberal judges being appointed to the supreme court.

But for me it is America rebuilding it's alliances with other countries so it can start to shift the financial burden off itself and onto other countries, I think Ron Paul has talked about this once or twice.

Did you catch McCain's snub and insult of Spain, thats NOT how you go about doing this.

[acptulsa]

Im not sure exactly what you mean by hijacking... if ther is no interestin the subject.. let it die... ifno one talks back they (i guess this includes me)
will quyit bothering...

You're talking like a neophyte. Have you not noticed that for decades now the politicians have been pushing our hot buttons to keep us distracted from the real issues that affect us far, far more? Of course it doesn't die, because there is interest in the subject of the age old 'lesser of two evils' crap. Then comes the problem of people who are interested in the thread discussion have to wade through page after page of hijack to engage in the actual conversation. It raises the threshhold. People are interested, but the huge amount of patience it takes to get to the meat of it is so daunting.

It kills rational discourse. It is as rude as changing the subject. It reminds me of a political cartoon which showed a reporter asking Dubya why his administration lied about the war, hijacked the economy, did double dealing with this company and that, and etc., and Dubya responded, "Marriage is between a man and a woman."

[tonesforjonesbones]

To the poster above, they didn't change their avatars...they left the forum when they were lambasted for deciding to vote for Palin. I say the trolls are actually old members who are coming up with new names and posting anonymously...there are far too many to be "infiltrators". Why would that many infiltrate a Ron Paul fourm? I love Ron Paul and I plan to continue the Liberty message and hope we can get more people on board in 4 years. I am voting for Palin since Barr 's campaign is dead in teh water. Baldwin is getting nowhere fast, neither is McKinney and Nadar is really a socialist. I am a grown woman with a thought process of my own and i dont have to do EVERYTHING Ron Paul says to do. I just handed out pocket Constitutions to all the cast members in the play i'm doing 1776. I have 4 Ron Paul bumper stickers on my car and 2 McCain/Palin. Now, I have probably over a thousand posts...if you are talking aobut kicking people off the forum because they have decided to back PALIN...I will ALSO remind you of Ron Paul 's principles. I'm sure he would tell me "Oh Ok...it's your liberty to do so". I don't like OBAMA whatsoever...but people have the right to vote for who they want for whatever reasons they want. Yes, this forum is private property...but those of us who are still going to work for Liberty...even though voting for McCain...should not be ostrasized. If you do this...you will be subscribing to COLLECTIVISM rather than INDIVIDUALISM...and it makes you no better than a communist..and not real. TONES

[newyearsrevolution08]

To the poster above, they didn't change their avatars...they left the forum when they were lambasted for deciding to vote for Palin. I say the trolls are actually old members who are coming up with new names and posting anonymously...there are far too many to be "infiltrators". Why would that many infiltrate a Ron Paul fourm? I love Ron Paul and I plan to continue the Liberty message and hope we can get more people on board in 4 years. I am voting for Palin since Barr 's campaign is dead in teh water. Baldwin is getting nowhere fast, neither is McKinney and Nadar is really a socialist. I am a grown woman with a thought process of my own and i dont have to do EVERYTHING Ron Paul says to do. I just handed out pocket Constitutions to all the cast members in the play i'm doing 1776. I have 4 Ron Paul bumper stickers on my car and 2 McCain/Palin. Now, I have probably over a thousand posts...if you are talking aobut kicking people off the forum because they have decided to back PALIN...I will ALSO remind you of Ron Paul 's principles. I'm sure he would tell me "Oh Ok...it's your liberty to do so". I don't like OBAMA whatsoever...but people have the right to vote for who they want for whatever reasons they want. Yes, this forum is private property...but those of us who are still going to work for Liberty...even though voting for McCain...should not be ostrasized. If you do this...you will be subscribing to COLLECTIVISM rather than INDIVIDUALISM...and it makes you no better than a communist..and not real. TONES

great post, I do agree on the vote for whoever you want and like many mccain supporters and obama supporters I bite my tongue and simply ask their reasons. I don't tell them they can't, shouldn't and so on. That is a bit different then those who were ron paul supporters and flipped.

I am not trying to say be a collective at all, ron paul offered 4, now 3 candidates who shared "some" ideals with him which is much better than mccain or obama have as far as "in common" with him.

Another thing, we know NO OTHER CANDIDATE besides mccain or obama is going to win this election even if we all held hands and voted for one single 3rd party candidate BUT why help the 2 party system by falling into it?

I have never said vote for one 3rd party candidate but more of a "vote for anyone besides mccain or obama" if you are going to vote or thinking of not voting all together.

Vote your mind, just like I will but with the many trying to convert ron paul supporters into the vote mccain or vote obama b.s. ON this forum is counter productive.

Out of the two I would choose mccain myself, at one point I though obama was better thinking he was anti war and will happily help collapse the government with his social bullshit BUT with the fed bailing out a trillion here and there I don't think it really matters who is the "Talking head".

I have people within my family voting mccain and I say "happy you are voting", I don't talk down on them but the difference is, they are not coming in here trying to convert ron paul supporters into the lesser or greater than two evils b.s. either.

I loved it when obama and mccain supporters used to come in here (not ron paul flip floppers) and ask us questions about ron paul. We had great discussions with them and we all ended up more educated on ron paul, obama and mccain all around. That is a whole other ball of wax than what happens here lately.

[acptulsa]

great post, I do agree on the vote for whoever you want and like many mccain supporters and obama supporters I bite my tongue and simply ask their reasons. I don't tell them they can't, shouldn't and so on. That is a bit different then those who were ron paul supporters and flipped.

I am not trying to say be a collective at all, ron paul offered 4, now 3 candidates who shared "some" ideals with him which is much better than mccain or obama have as far as "in common" with him.

Another thing, we know NO OTHER CANDIDATE besides mccain or obama is going to win this election even if we all held hands and voted for one single 3rd party candidate BUT why help the 2 party system by falling into it?

I have never said vote for one 3rd party candidate but more of a "vote for anyone besides mccain or obama" if you are going to vote or thinking of not voting all together.

Vote your mind, just like I will but with the many trying to convert ron paul supporters into the vote mccain or vote obama b.s. ON this forum is counter productive.

Out of the two I would choose mccain myself, at one point I though obama was better thinking he was anti war and will happily help collapse the government with his social bullshit BUT with the fed bailing out a trillion here and there I don't think it really matters who is the "Talking head".

I have people within my family voting mccain and I say "happy you are voting", I don't talk down on them but the difference is, they are not coming in here trying to convert ron paul supporters into the lesser or greater than two evils b.s. either.

I loved it when obama and mccain supporters used to come in here (not ron paul flip floppers) and ask us questions about ron paul. We had great discussions with them and we all ended up more educated on ron paul, obama and mccain all around. That is a whole other ball of wax than what happens here lately.

I just knew this thread would get hijacked off of the subject of hijacking...

[newyearsrevolution08]

I just knew this thread would get hijacked off of the subject of hijacking...

doing our best lol

[Andrew-Austin]

So suddenly when it doesn't suite your mindset you want to limit peoples liberty on this board??? Limit their free speech. Limit their choices. Ron Paul doesn't stand for that.


Ron Paul does not stand for voting for McCain or Obama either.

Its still completely undefendable to support either of them, so don't be shocked when people on this forum can't take you seriously. No one is censoring or threatening to ban you, their just calling a spade a spade. If your going to vote for McCain or Obama keep it to yourself, or announce it to this board and expect for people to roll their eyes at you.

Personally if I decided b/w the lesser of two evils, I would never have the nerve to announce it and encourage others to do the same on this forum.



Stupid or not, effective or not, I much prefer these threads to hijacks. Interspersing other conversations with it is just a good way to piss people off.

So does it piss you off when you see the 20th "we should vote for McCain lolz" thread in the grassroots section? Can't they at least put it in the "other prez candidates" section?

If it does not piss you off and you can tolerate it, then why can't they tolerate me expressing my opinion that their vote is undefendable and stupid.

I at least don't have the nerve to create an entire thread trying to persuade others to vote the same way I do.

[newyearsrevolution08]

Ron Paul does not stand for voting for McCain or Obama either.

Its still completely undefendable to support either of them, so don't be shocked when people on this forum can't take you seriously. No one is censoring or threatening to ban you, their just calling a spade a spade. If your going to vote for McCain or Obama keep it to yourself, or announce it to this board and expect for people to roll their eyes at you.

Personally if I decided b/w the lesser of two evils, I would never have the nerve to announce it and encourage others to do the same on this forum.




So does it piss you off when you see the 20th "we should vote for McCain lolz" thread in the grassroots section? Can't they at least put it in the "other prez candidates" section?

If it does not piss you off and you can tolerate it, then why can't they tolerate me expressing my opinion that their vote is undefendable and stupid.

I at least don't have the nerve to create an entire thread trying to persuade others to vote the same way I do.


that is all I kept asking for, if anything MOVE THEM to where they should be

ie:

other candidates
vent
traitor
trash
war room

SOMEWHERE besides the "ron paul grassroots central" section.

If there is going to be a place for used to be ron paul supporters who are now voting for obama or mccain at least put a section on this board for them and keep that conversation there.

Just like all the categories, every topic has its place and that has NOTHING to do with freedom of speech or whatever green peace save the whales bullshit someone tries to preach as to their reasoning to be able to talk up mccain or obama in any or all sections on this board as they please.


I actually contacted a mod about this, who then got back to me with this.

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"I won't be moving it, though - Josh said that he prefers the absolute lightest moderation possible."

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[ThePieSwindler]

hey u guyz what do u thnk about Obama? i think hes a preety good canidate. Hell bring chang3 and h0pe 4 teh ppl! People not votin' for obama are hatin'

[qh4dotcom]

Sadly many members have been infected with the McBamaitis or lesser-of-two-evilitis.

I wonder what these members would say if RP ever personally asked them who they voted for and why.

[eloquensanity]

targeted with prejudice. First thread I read tonight hijacked by support McCain. Second thread hijacked by support Obama. Kiss my ass.

We just had 4 independent candidates support 4 of our major issues. Clearly ANY of these candidates is a better choice than McCain or Obama.

There is no excuse for SUPPORTING McCain or Obama.

We have an opportunity to make a lot of noise for independent candidates and noise they shall have.

So if you want to support McCain get the hell out of my way and go post in McCain's forum.

If you want to support Obama get the hell out of my way and go post in Obama's forum.

Ron Paul is supporting independent candidates in general and this is the Ron Paul Forums.

And I will be talking to people about independent candidates and telling them to stop by some sites including Ron Paul forums for good info. So stop shitting on my hard work if you are going to settle right now on the lesser of liberty.

Yes what he said
:)

[Kade]

The Obama ones are very pernicious.

I know the McCain supporters here... I don't know any Obama supporters... to who are you referring?

[fedup100]

Stick this!!!

We also need to start a thread on people who have clearly tried to support Mccain/Obama and start a list of people to ignore!!!!!! :D

I agree 100%

[AZ Libertarian]

Vote your mind, just like I will but with the many trying to convert ron paul supporters into the vote mccain or vote obama b.s. ON this forum is counter productive.

Bottom line. Well said. I agree wholeheartedly.

I see more good people being diverted from productive activity on this Forum by three things than anything else:

1. Arguing with McCain or Obama supporters (who say they support Ron Paul - Sha!) that 'we' need to defeat the other,

2. Demonizing Barr/Baldwin/Nader/McKinney for whatever reason they don't like about them (lots to choose from there, boy!),

3. THE REST OF US WHO ACTUALLY READ THESE INANE THREADS in hopes to find some 'redeeming value' (that is rarely there) in it. I read one not too long ago that was 54 PAGES LONG!!! It made me sick to think about all the wasted effort of how many individuals that could have been better used than some worthless pissing contest that only makes the Forum look bad and chases good people away.

I agree with the poster that we need to 'fight fire with fire' and take the truth to THEIR FORUMS. They can't turn us because we stand for the Constitution, and what is right. A dozen of our seasoned Members working our magic on them in a concerted effort at the same time tickles me to the point that if someone is willing to put this together, PLEASE let me know when and where! I'M THERE. :D

[Kade]

I agree 100%

I agree too! We should also install telescreens so BB can tell us who else we should ignore.

[acptulsa]

I know the McCain supporters here... I don't know any Obama supporters... to who are you referring?

Whom. If 'him' fits, use 'whom'.

[/grammar nazi]

Oh, we've had a bunch. And they are stubborn and pernicious--to a point. In many cases, that point has been their banning...

[ClayTrainor]

Im voting for mccain palin... sorry...



And some other Ron Paul supporter will go throw his vote away to Obama thereby cancelling yours....

All you guys voting for obama or mccain are a disappointment, imo.

Wake Up! The election is over already.... Send a message that you dont want to choose between coke and pepsi anymore!!!


Dont play into the system that is destroying your country, god dam.

But seriously... vote for whoever you want, play the MSM party politics game, if you really feel it'll make some sort of difference.

[newyearsrevolution08]

And some other Ron Paul supporter will go throw his vote away to Obama thereby cancelling yours....

All you guys voting for obama or mccain are a disappointment, imo.

Wake Up! The election is over already.... Send a message that you dont want to choose between coke and pepsi anymore!!!


Dont play into the system that is destroying your country, god dam.

But seriously... vote for whoever you want, play the MSM party politics game, if you really feel it'll make some sort of difference.

And you would think that sort of thinking would make sense to them lol.

Seriously though, what will our million votes really do for either one of them anyways?

Some people are hard headed and really believe that they need to defeat the other one. It is the same party vs. party crap that most of that "older generation" always resort to. Proud democrats who will always vote democrat as well as those republicans who will do the same then they talk shit on each other BUT have zero idea what either of their candidates actually stand for.

What is more irritating is the ron paul supporters who became educated and understand the issues who THEN bounce back into the party vs. party bullshit.

That is MUCH different then someone who simply is voting for mccain or obama because they like them.

[SnappleLlama]

a healthy debate never hurt anyone ;)

[tonesforjonesbones]

I tried the libertarian thing. The LP can't get their chit together..sorry. So I have decided to be independent and "float". that way I dont' play into collectivism, and i can assist ANY Liberty candidates...regardless of their party label. I consider Palin a Liberty candidate. I don't buy into the left loon smear tactics. TONES

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

I just don't get it. Why would anyone bother going to the polls just to vote for Obama or McCain if they aren't really for them? Seems like a total waste of time and energy to me. Better to not even vote, or just vote for local and state candidates.

One puny vote in a landslide of Obama and McCain votes doesn't send any kind of message at all, to the system, other Ron Paul supporters, the two parties, the media, or anyone else. It's just a statistic expected to comprise the 98% of people who usually do vote Democrat or Republican. A third party vote is actually worth something since it's a scarcer commodity on the electoral market. And if there's enough of them, it has a chance to send a limited message by "spoiling" the election for one of the major candidates.

The only reason to ever vote for Obama or McCain is if you're in a swing state and you actually think your vote can contribute to the margin of victory or defeat for one or the other. If you're in a Blue State or Red State, there's just no excuse. And in either case, if you aren't for them, don't vote for them!

I've noticed the media has adopted a new successful tactic since 2000 to deaden third party votes (though it's true there hasn't been a candidate as strong as Perot was either in '92 or '96). They unleash scandals on both candidates and bash away, while the two parties run commercials swiftboating each other as well just to make you hate the other guy. You're scared, angry, and ready to go for the lesser evil. You are voting to keep the other one out, not to get the one you vote for in office. And you're playing right into their hands. Negative campaigning works because so many people buy it. It also makes every election close and historic because half the population that leans to one side of the spectrum or the other just can't stand the other guy. As a close election tips Obama or McCain on a November night this year, with third party votes coming in around 1-2% combined, the talking heads and politicians will pat each other on the back, grin, and whisper "Perrrfect."

[acptulsa]

I don't buy into the left loon smear tactics. TONES

Fair enough. Are you as careful to avoid buying into the right loon smear tactics?

[ClayTrainor]

Fair enough. Are you as careful to avoid buying into the right loon smear tactics?

:eek:

Or the "choose a hot VP, that is kinda sorta saying libertarian things, to pull in those who hate obama" tactic.

[Kade]

Whom. If 'him' fits, use 'whom'.

[/grammar nazi]

Oh, we've had a bunch. And they are stubborn and pernicious--to a point. In many cases, that point has been their banning...

I don't remember any? If they are banned, why not ban the McCainites?

(I'm against banning altogether...)

And thanks for the grammar fix, I do tend to mess that one up.

[demolama]

I'm just getting tired of people being so short sighted... who cares who becomes president this year. Its more of the same regardless. Every 4 years its the same crap... "anyone but..." and then go vote for either a R or a D. Its sickening.... You continue to do what you've always done you'll continue to get what you've always gotten.

Dr. Paul's push for 3rd parties is for the future.. not this election. The stronger the showing of the 3rd parties the better the chance next election cycle. Which means less petitioning, more ballot access and more money in the pockets of these parties to run better ads and stronger campaigns.

Neither Obama or McCain will be able to do anything with the economy the way it is. I'll be a Hoover administration all over again except this time both contenders will do way more to harm to our economy than Hoover ever did because they think they know all the answers( more regulation and bigger government).

Anyone voting for either of these two chumps are no better than those who are still asleep... in fact its worse.. you should know better by now

[EndTheFed]

hey u guyz what do u thnk about Obama? i think hes a preety good canidate. Hell bring chang3 and h0pe 4 teh ppl! People not votin' for obama are hatin'

hehe very funny... :)

[EndTheFed]

Sadly many members have been infected with the McBamaitis or lesser-of-two-evilitis.

I wonder what these members would say if RP ever personally asked them who they voted for and why.

I would be able to explain it with NO PROBLEM.. and you know what...

He wouls understand (maybe not agree) but understand and not look doun on me for it.. not call me names.... not act like i should not be supporting him...

[acptulsa]

I don't remember any? If they are banned, why not ban the McCainites?

This was some time ago, before and right around the time McWar was crowned the 'presumptive nominee'. None were banned until they got frustrated (most from getting pwned, quite honestly) and crossed the line; the majority just gave up.

[EndTheFed]

I'm just getting tired of people being so short sighted... who cares who becomes president this year. Its more of the same regardless. Every 4 years its the same crap... "anyone but..." and then go vote for either a R or a D. Its sickening.... You continue to do what you've always done you'll continue to get what you've always gotten.

Dr. Paul's push for 3rd parties is for the future.. not this election. The stronger the showing of the 3rd parties the better the chance next election cycle. Which means less petitioning, more ballot access and more money in the pockets of these parties to run better ads and stronger campaigns.

Neither Obama or McCain will be able to do anything with the economy the way it is. I'll be a Hoover administration all over again except this time both contenders will do way more to harm to our economy than Hoover ever did because they think they know all the answers( more regulation and bigger government).

Anyone voting for either of these two chumps are no better than those who are still asleep... in fact its worse.. you should know better by now


It's the supreme court stupid!

just kidding wioth the stupid... but I think it is short sighted to not consider the ramifications of an obama supreme court pick

[demolama]

What damage can the supreme court do that it already hasn't done? Do you really think they ever put anyone up there that actually follows the Constitution to matter?

[Kade]

This was some time ago, before and right around the time McWar was crowned the 'presumptive nominee'. None were banned until they got frustrated (most from getting pwned, quite honestly) and crossed the line; the majority just gave up.

It may be my own stubbornness, but if your idea of getting "pwned" is the same as Krazy Kaju and ARealConservative's, then I have to believe it's spurious. When I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but it hasn't happened on these forums to me much. I get my ass handed to me at Smirking Chimp Forums pretty handily, and on my own forums occasionally... because I spend time defending you folks....=/

[Kade]

What damage can the supreme court do that it already hasn't done?

Police State?

[EndTheFed]

What damage can the supreme court do that it already hasn't done? Do you really think they ever put anyone up there that actually follows the Constitution to matter?

At LEAST we have McCains word (such that it is) on it... We have obamas word that he will appoint the other kind.

Obam appointments woudld be horrible

[acptulsa]

What damage can the supreme court do that it already hasn't done?

Don't ask that!! :eek:

It can finish turning us into mainland China, for one thing. It can then go even farther and finish turning us into Imperial Japan...

[EndTheFed]

Don't ask that!! :eek:

It can finish turning us into mainland China, for one thing. It can then go even farther and finish turning us into Imperial Japan...

Why not ask that? because it makes sense?/ do we want to avoid this?

Hmmmm :)


Oh never mind i get it now....

[Grandson of Liberty]

Sadly many members have been infected with the McBamaitis or lesser-of-two-evilitis.

I wonder what these members would say if RP ever personally asked them who they voted for and why.

"Dr. Paul, I am a big fan, and if you were on the ballot, I'd vote for you in a heartbeat. But you're not. I have no love for Sen. McCain, and had no intention for voting "the lesser of two evils." At this point though, I do like Sarah Palin. And whether or not McCain finishes his term in office, at some point Palin could very well be in a position to actually change things in this country. Is she the perfect candidate? No. But neither are any of the third party candidates either. She doesn't want to raise my taxes for some socialist agenda, and she doesn't want to take my guns. Right now, that's good enough for me. You said yourself many times we need to work within the party to effect change. Perhaps, over the years you (and we) can demonstrate to her even more the importance of liberty and the Constitution and get her on board the tremendous movement you've started."

[SnappleLlama]

Why do people like Sarah Palin?

[gjvrieze]

...........

[EndTheFed]

"Dr. Paul, I am a big fan, and if you were on the ballot, I'd vote for you in a heartbeat. But you're not. I have no love for Sen. McCain, and had no intention for voting "the lesser of two evils." At this point though, I do like Sarah Palin. And whether or not McCain finishes his term in office, at some point Palin could very well be in a position to actually change things in this country. Is she the perfect candidate? No. But neither are any of the third party candidates either. She doesn't want to raise my taxes for some socialist agenda, and she doesn't want to take my guns. Right now, that's good enough for me. You said yourself many times we need to work within the party to effect change. Perhaps, over the years you (and we) can demonstrate to her even more the importance of liberty and the Constitution and get her on board the tremendous movement you've started."

Two Thumbs up!!!!

[newyearsrevolution08]

Why do people like Sarah Palin?

Because they can "almost" swear they heard Ron Paul saw her one time and that pretty much meant that he endorsed her. :rolleyes:

[EndTheFed]

Because they can "almost" swear they heard Ron Paul saw her one time and that pretty much meant that he endorsed her. :rolleyes:

I'm not in lock step with Ron Paul.. She does respect Ron Paul and has said so...

BEFORE eing invited to the mccain ticket.

[SnappleLlama]

Because they can "almost" swear they heard Ron Paul saw her one time and that pretty much meant that he endorsed her. :rolleyes:

Ha, ha! :D

[SnappleLlama]

I'm not in lock step with Ron Paul.. She does respect Ron Paul and has said so...

BEFORE eing invited to the mccain ticket.

Can we be sure that she hasn't "changed her ways?" Perhaps she's more of politician than a paulitician.

[purplechoe]

So are you suggesting I leave the movement also... I sure would like to continue to support Ron Paul where I cvan. I would love to continue to help educate people ..

So you're voting for McCain and you consider yourself part of this movement? You're a fucking idiot that's what you are. How's that for freedom of speech.

[Bman]

I'm not in lock step with Ron Paul.. She does respect Ron Paul and has said so...

BEFORE eing invited to the mccain ticket.

OK. What's so great about Sarah Palin. WHat has she actually done to prove that she would be good for the Presidency. I swear you people who like Sarah Palin must test below 100 on an IQ test, because I have no other conclusion that makes any sense. But I'm willing to listen to people I think are brain dead. So go ahead besides saying Yeah Dr. Paul is cool, and I like people who stand for what they beleive in (which is obviously not her, must suck to hate yourself). What has she done that actually falls in line with the ideas of Ron Paul or the Liberty movement.

Face it your all just a bunch of bible beaters, latching onto your guns. The only thing that makes me smile is knowing that the most Liberal man in America called you out and you tried to say he was wrong. Ha. How can some of you look in the mirror with your self-righteous bs.

[EndTheFed]

Can we be sure that she hasn't "changed her ways?" Perhaps she's more of politician than a paulitician.

Or perhaps wise enough to get her foot in the door? Hmmm

[EndTheFed]

So you're voting for McCain and you consider yourself part of this movement? You're a fucking idiot that's what you are. How's that for freedom of speech.

Thank you very much...


That really makes me want to see things your way...

[EndTheFed]

OK. What's so great about Sarah Palin. WHat has she actually done to prove that she would be good for the Presidency. I swear you people who like Sarah Palin must test below 100 on an IQ test, because I have no other conclusion that makes any sense. But I'm willing to listen to people I think are brain dead. So go ahead besides saying Yeah Dr. Paul is cool, and I like people who stand for what they beleive in (which is obviously not her, must suck to hate yourself). What has she done that actually falls in line with the ideas of Ron Paul or the Liberty movement.

Face it your all just a bunch of bible beaters, latching onto your guns. The only thing that makes me smile is knowing that the most Liberal man in America called you out and you tried to say he was wrong. Ha. How can some of you look in the mirror with your self-righteous bs.

MMM I think Dr Paul is for guns and religion too? Hmmm

http://www.reasons.org here is the new chapter

[SnappleLlama]

Or perhaps wise enough to get her foot in the door? Hmmm

Not sure I would place my faith in her, personally. I just don't trust her. She can talk the talk, sure, but can she "walk the walk?" What has she done for the people of Alaska?

[Bman]

MMM I think Dr Paul is for guns and religion too? Hmmm

http://www.reasons.org here is the new chapter

Oh so if your for Guns and Religion your a clone of Dr. Paul. Wow! Amazing. That's a revaltion of biblical proportions. Hey I have a talking cactus in my house. Hold on it's saying something.

"God says not to vote for McCain or Palin."

Well there you got it folks irrefutable proof not to vote forMcCain or Palin.

BTW. Ron Paul is religious but he certainly does not want religion running government.

[purplechoe]

Thank you very much...


That really makes me want to see things your way...

How's this moron, Juan McCain is going to be president not Palin, you fucking idiot!!! You have been here since November and still haven't figured things out? You ARE an idiot and a waste of time and space. Just don't delude yourself into believing that you're actually one of us. With friends like you who needs enemies. :rolleyes:

[newyearsrevolution08]

Oh so if your for Guns and Religion your a clone of Dr. Paul. Wow! Amazing. That's a revaltion of biblical proportions. Hey I have a talking cactus in my house. Hold on it's saying something.

"God says not to vote for McCain or Palin."

Well there you got it folks irrefutable proof not to vote forMcCain or Palin.

BTW. Ron Paul is religious but he certainly does not want religion running government.

Some people still think PERSONAL OPINION of the president is what will run the country, Ron Paul however is what again?????


NOT WANTING TO RUN OUR LIVES!

See what mccain or obama have to say about that...

Odds are they will TELL you what is best FOR YOU because THEY are in charge.

If people do not get the difference then I really have no clue what to say.

[EndTheFed]

Oh so if your for Guns and Religion your a clone of Dr. Paul. Wow! Amazing. That's a revaltion of biblical proportions. Hey I have a talking cactus in my house. Hold on it's saying something.

"God says not to vote for McCain or Palin."

Well there you got it folks irrefutable proof not to vote forMcCain or Palin.

BTW. Ron Paul is religious but he certainly does not want religion running government.


Neither do I or Palin... that has been shown in what she has done so far Mayor/Govenor and she has clearly stated that...

Also if you don't mind... Could you explain your origins... i mean WAYYYYYYY back... before the big bang (which i believe in for the record)

If you are an atheist you have faith and i my opinion more faith then I do (believing in God) because you believe all came from nothing.

[newyearsrevolution08]

Neither do I or Palin... that has been shown in what she has done so far Mayor/Govenor and she has clearly stated that...

What has she done as Mayor/Governor FOR the people though?

I would love to hear this one....

We know Ron Paul's track record but besides what Fox tries to push as far as her so called accomplishments, what has she actually done for liberty, this "movement" you speak of or anything related to bringing MORE freedom to the people of her city and the state of alaska?

[amy31416]

I'm not in lock step with Ron Paul.. She does respect Ron Paul and has said so...

BEFORE eing invited to the mccain ticket.

Betcha a million bucks ya couldn't get her to say squat about him now.

This is almost as bad as women voting for Hillary/Palin, just because they're women. Makes me want to vomit as much as a bulimic with food poisoning.

[Bman]

http://www.reasons.org here is the new chapter

PLEASE!!!

Finding holes in scientific theory is one thing. Proving that GOD is the missing equation is something completely different.

Creationism does not belong in a science book just because evolution theories have holes. First you would have to have evidence, more so than a book written by goat herders 2000+ years ago, to support your claims. This would mean running tests on teh scientific method. And even if you ran tests for an argument that the Earth was not billions of years old that would still not be evidence of a creator.

Secondly it's called the speed of light. For the Universe to have been created 6000-10000 years ago it would mean that the only things visible in the night sky could only be that far away. Not to mention do you understand how the hubble telescope works? I'd have to say no. It is undeniable that things existed over 13 billion years ago and there is no way to disprove a FACT.

[newyearsrevolution08]

Betcha a million bucks ya couldn't get her to say squat about him now.

This is almost as bad as women voting for Hillary/Palin, just because they're women. Makes me want to vomit as much as a bulimic with food poisoning.

She would walk around the subject odds are, what I want to hear is Ron Paul's take on her. Besides them drinking the same water and meeting one time or her saying "he's cool" LOL, what interaction have they actually had.

If she is so quick to jump on the mccain bandwagon I doubt they share a SINGLE ideal politically or ethically.

[EndTheFed]

What has she done as Mayor/Governor FOR the people though?

I would love to hear this one....

We know Ron Paul's track record but besides what Fox tries to push as far as her so called accomplishments, what has she actually done for liberty, this "movement" you speak of or anything related to bringing MORE freedom to the people of her city and the state of alaska?

The question I was responding to had to do with Pushing her religion on people...

She has said she did not want creationsim "Taught" in schools but there should be the ability to discuss all sides...

[newyearsrevolution08]

It is undeniable that things existed over 13 billion years ago and there is no way to disprove a FACT.

Sure you can...


Blind Faith :D

[newyearsrevolution08]

The question I was responding to had to do with Pushing her religion on people...

She has said she did not want creationsim "Taught" in schools but there should be the ability to discuss all sides...

What does that have to do with what I wrote?

[Bman]

Neither do I or Palin... that has been shown in what she has done so far Mayor/Govenor and she has clearly stated that...

Also if you don't mind... Could you explain your origins... i mean WAYYYYYYY back... before the big bang (which i believe in for the record)

If you are an atheist you have faith and i my opinion more faith then I do (believing in God) because you believe all came from nothing.

I'm agnostic. That means I can reason the possibility of a supreme power. But it means I have the commonsense to realize that no man has the ability to understand such a power. Certainly not goat herders high on drugs 2000+ years ago.

C'mon man the challenge is before you. What makes Sarah Palin actually viable to Ron Paul. No answer besides Guns and Religion. Wow 2 bullet points out of literally hundreds of topics. Face it you're a fraud.

[Flash]

Mccain wouldn't pick a true conservative to be his running mate. Palin already groveled before AIPAC and threatening war with Russia.

[newyearsrevolution08]

I saw her true colors once I heard her stance on the war. She is just like the rest of them and more than happy to have her son go fight a war that should not even be happening right now. What did she say about him, he said he belongs to the country now or something along those lines. Sure, a patriot she is. A damn brainwashed hockey mom.

[EndTheFed]

PLEASE!!!

Finding holes in scientific theory is one thing. Proving that GOD is the missing equation is something completely different.

Creationism does not belong in a science book just because evolution theories have holes. First you would have to have evidence, more so than a book written by goat herders 2000+ years ago, to support your claims. This would mean running tests on teh scientific method. And even if you ran tests for an argument that the Earth was not billions of years old that would still not be evidence of a creator.

Secondly it's called the speed of light. For the Universe to have been created 6000-10000 years ago it would mean that the only things visible in the night sky could only be that far away. Not to mention do you understand how the hubble telescope works? I'd have to say no. It is undeniable that things existed over 13 billion years ago and there is no way to disprove a FACT.

Dumbass I live in huntsville, AL NASA.. you know... Where the Hubble telescope was built.. mmmmm

You obiously did not look at the link I HAVE NOT SAID 6-1000 years old...

That whole site is about the accuracy of science... You have fallen for the lie that religion and more specifically Christianity and science are mutually exclusive...

[EndTheFed]

Sure you can...


Blind Faith :D

MMM seems you are as much a dumbass as Bman... see reply to him/her...

[amy31416]

Dumbass I live in huntsville, AL NASA.. you know... Where the Hubble telescope was built.. mmmmm

You obiously did not look at the link I HAVE NOT SAID 6-1000 years old...

That whole site is about the accuracy of science... You have fallen for the lie that religion and more specifically Christianity and science are mutually exclusive...

That's almost the same argument Palin made for being knowledgeable about foreign policy! :eek:

[EndTheFed]

I'm agnostic. That means I can reason the possibility of a supreme power. But it means I have the commonsense to realize that no man has the ability to understand such a power. Certainly not goat herders high on drugs 2000+ years ago.

C'mon man the challenge is before you. What makes Sarah Palin actually viable to Ron Paul. No answer besides Guns and Religion. Wow 2 bullet points out of literally hundreds of topics. Face it you're a fraud.

I think it means you are votin present....

[Bman]

Dumbass I live in huntsville, AL NASA.. you know... Where the Hubble telescope was built.. mmmmm

You obiously did not look at the link I HAVE NOT SAID 6-1000 years old...

That whole site is about the accuracy of science... You have fallen for the lie that religion and more specifically Christianity and science are mutually exclusive...

I thought the argument was over creationism. Well you like to change topics once you realized your argument couldn't even stand up to swiss cheese.

[EndTheFed]

That's almost the same argument Palin made for being knowledgeable about foreign policy! :eek:

Makes absolutly NO sense..

[EndTheFed]

I thought the argument was over creationism. Well you like to change topics once you realized your argument couldn't even stand up to swiss cheese.

You don't know your subject.. creationsiam does not ONLY mean people who believe in 6-10000 years... I AM talking about creationism... Look at the link study there some before you make yourself look bad right along with Neal Bortz who makes this same mistake...

[nbhadja]

I have way more respect for a Ron Paul supporter voting for McCain, than these guys who say we can't talk about this because it's trolling, screw that.

We all come from different sides politically, the left joined with the right to support Ron Paul, we put are own personal feelings aside for the greater good, so it's no surprize that many will drift back to where they came from, since we can't elect Ron Paul anymore.

And so it's natural for some Ron Paul supporters to decide they will vote for McCain or Obama. And some on this board will be vocal about it. The Admin and mods just need to see when these posters registered and and how many posts they have. I agree NEW people need to be looked at with a critical eye.

Respect for voting for McCain? Lmao hell no! RP supporters who vote for McCain or Obama are DISGRACES!

[amy31416]

Makes absolutly NO sense..

Makes perfect sense:

1. You post a response that you live in Huntsville, AL (home of NASA/Hubble), from which we are to conclude what? You know about science?

2. Palin made the proximity argument just like you did in regards to Russia/knowing foreign policy.

Can't make it much simpler, unless you intended to just let someone here know where you live for a different reason. If so, my mistake.

[EndTheFed]

Respect for voting for McCain? Lmao hell no! RP supporters who vote for McCain or Obama are DISGRACES!

RP would not think so OR say this kind of thing to anyone... If he disagrees with someone he does it with respect due... I think that comes with maturity though...

There is a time for pitchforks and torches but it aint yet...

[Bman]

You don't know your subject.. creationsiam does not ONLY mean people who believe in 6-10000 years... I AM talking about creationism... Look at the link study there some before you make yourself look bad right along with Neal Bortz who makes this same mistake...

I'm arguming with you not a website. Which I didn't have to go to far to see there was no support for an actaul scientific method used to prove that creationism is true.

It's almost like the argument goes, well science appears to have a hole here, so that hole has to be god. PAAAAALLLLLLEEEAASSSEEE!!!!!!

Lets get back to facts. What makes Sarah Palin viable to Ron Paul go ahead. I'm still waiting.

[Flash]

Unless you're in a swing state, what is their reasoning for voting for Mccain or Obama? Its not something that is worth leaving the RP movement over.

Edited someone mentioned this already:


The only reason to ever vote for Obama or McCain is if you're in a swing state and you actually think your vote can contribute to the margin of victory or defeat for one or the other. If you're in a Blue State or Red State, there's just no excuse. And in either case, if you aren't for them, don't vote for them!

[Bman]

I think it means you are votin present....

Here we go from your website.

"Naturalism offers no explanation for such a rapid appearance of life. The Bible, on the other hand, does."

Well based on that topic that would be saying that there is scientific proof that life only began 40 million years ago as they say in the particular topic. Which is wrong and has been proven to be wrong numerous times.

Also what scientific method does the bible offer on the subject. Oh yea that's right. God did it. Very scientific. I don't know why anyone would bother with actual equations, over literature written by people barely out of caves.

[Bman]

Unless you're in a swing state, what is their reasoning for voting for Mccain or Obama? Its not something that is worth leaving the RP movement over.

Edited someone mentioned this already:

And it is quite evident that EndtheFed is not from a swing state. He's oviously here to try and gather as many McLame votes as he can.

[EndTheFed]

Makes perfect sense:

1. You post a response that you live in Huntsville, AL (home of NASA/Hubble), from which we are to conclude what? You know about science?

2. Palin made the proximity argument just like you did in regards to Russia/knowing foreign policy.

Can't make it much simpler, unless you intended to just let someone here know where you live for a different reason. If so, my mistake.

No I was saying that BMan seems to think the "creationism" and him mentioning the speed of light etc proving that "creationism " cant disprove FACT..

That is making the (wrong) assumption that creationism = 6-10000 years...

[Bman]

No I was saying that BMan seems to think the "creationism" and him mentioning the speed of light etc proving that "creationism " cant disprove FACT..

That is making the (wrong) assumption that creationism = 6-10000 years...

Well on a scientific level what does creationism equal. Not to mention I work with some christian nut jobs who have told me they believe the world was created more recently like 2000 years ago. I just walked away from that one. Maybe your not that nuts, but you still have to show where the idea of creationism belongs in science. What type of scientific method, formulas or other such things are you using to prove that the hand of god exists to be true. Oh that's right just the bible. Again what is scientific about that.

I think you're going to have to go back to getting some more Kent Hovind brain washing lessons after this topic because your ship is sinking.

[EndTheFed]

I'm arguming with you not a website. Which I didn't have to go to far to see there was no support for an actaul scientific method used to prove that creationism is true.

It's almost like the argument goes, well science appears to have a hole here, so that hole has to be god. PAAAAALLLLLLEEEAASSSEEE!!!!!!

Lets get back to facts. What makes Sarah Palin viable to Ron Paul go ahead. I'm still waiting.

We came from nothing??? PAAAAALLLLLLEEEAASSSEEE!!!!!!

viable to Ron Paul? if you mean caompariable to Ron Paul or compaTIBLE WITH Ron Paul I did not say she was.. Prove she isnt... and dn't give methe crap about she is for the war... My issues thatare compatible with RP is not the war either... it is financial and economic issue which does end up involving the war but that is another issue...
I think mainly about the supreme court she/mccain are the lesser of two evils and I dont want to have that discussion again... been ther done that...

[Flash]

I've been hoping for Obama to win forever. I would never vote for him, however it would be nice to see the GOP lose. And Pat Buchanan said it himself on MSNBC, this election could be so close that the Ron Paul vote could make a difference. May be thats why Mccain was begging RP for an edorsement a few weeks ago.

I wish everyone would just vote 3rd party but mainly focus on RP Liberty candidates.

[EndTheFed]

Unless you're in a swing state, what is their reasoning for voting for Mccain or Obama? Its not something that is worth leaving the RP movement over.

Edited someone mentioned this already:

Voting mccain/palin in this election does not equal leaving the RP movement...

Although the guff that I get is getting close...

I will continue educating people and building themovement so we can mke a differnce.

[EndTheFed]

Here we go from your website.

"Naturalism offers no explanation for such a rapid appearance of life. The Bible, on the other hand, does."

Well based on that topic that would be saying that there is scientific proof that life only began 40 million years ago as they say in the particular topic. Which is wrong and has been proven to be wrong numerous times.


Are you talking out of your ass or do you have a reference for this statemet.




Also what scientific method does the bible offer on the subject. Oh yea that's right. God did it. Very scientific. I don't know why anyone would bother with actual equations, over literature written by people barely out of caves.

and your scientifc metod O someting came from nothin.. mmm tat is scientific..

[Flash]

Voting mccain/palin in this election does not equal leaving the RP movement...

Although the guff that I get is getting close...

I will continue educating people and building themovement so we can mke a differnce.

Not you but there were others I remember threatening to leave the forums over it. Its not really something to get all worked up about. I wish we would all just focus on people like BJ lawson or Bob Conley rather than the presidential elections. We're not going to make a difference no matter who we (RPF'ers) vote anyways.

[EndTheFed]

And it is quite evident that EndtheFed is not from a swing state. He's oviously here to try and gather as many McLame votes as he can.

Wrong... just defending my right too

And d not appreciate being called stupid... ignorant.. and all the other names Ive benn called and belitted in the last few days...

This all started by me trying to get people in this movement to be GROW UP and bemore tolerant and

[EndTheFed]

Continued.,... be more tolerant and not dot Stupid shit that harms the movement...
like disrupt meetings an throw snowballs at sean... that worked out real well did nt it

[Bman]

Voting mccain/palin in this election does not equal leaving the RP movement...

Although the guff that I get is getting close...

I will continue educating people and building themovement so we can mke a differnce.

And exactly how do you plan on doing that by pushing an agenda to vote for McCain.

Lets Palin not like Ron Paul.

Foreign Policy
Federal Governments Purpose
War on Drugs
Truely Free Market
Religion as Government Force
PERSONAL LIBERTIES!

Yup just like Ron Paul. If you want to help the movement you can first start off by not coming on here and acting like a GOP shill.

[AZ Libertarian]

I was poster #43 at about 10 am this morning on page 5.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=156451&page=5

I went out to take care of a few things and come back to see the thread about highjacking threads was highjacked at about thread 65, and continued for more pages of BS unrelated to the topic than there were to begin with! :p

:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p

[Bman]

Wrong... just defending my right too

And d not appreciate being called stupid... ignorant.. and all the other names Ive benn called and belitted in the last few days...

This all started by me trying to get people in this movement to be GROW UP and bemore tolerant and

And you planned on doing that by immediatly after saying something as inflamatory as saying why you're going to vote for McCain. Smooth move.

[EndTheFed]

And exactly how do you plan on doing that by pushing an agenda to vote for McCain.

Lets Palin not like Ron Paul.

Foreign Policy
Federal Governments Purpose
War on Drugs
Truely Free Market
Religion as Government Force
PERSONAL LIBERTIES!

Yup just like Ron Paul. If you want to help the movement you can first start off by not coming on here and acting like a GOP shill.

I did not just come on here acting like a GOP shill.. I hav bee here since oct or nov last year... I was very invoilved in our RP meetup.

You are making assumption about her positions..

I did not come on here pushing mccain aganda...

I started a thread aboutbeing tolerant. It was mainly talking about this movements need to GROW UP and act a little more like Dr Paul. Stop throwin snowballs... stop interrupting meetings stop beating people up with (!! WAS AN INSIDE JOB!!!

Do things that wil WIN people to the movement and push them away...

In the process responses in that thread not knowing the vitrial that wexists I mentiond that I was votin mccain and alll hell broke loose..

I have bee ridiculked belittled cursed at called names.... i reallydont care and Im not "Hurt" but this kind of response is bullshit and Dr paul would NEVER treat people this way... he treats people with respect even when he disagrees...

This movement could usesome of this maturity..

[Grandson of Liberty]

So you're voting for McCain and you consider yourself part of this movement? You're a fucking idiot that's what you are. How's that for freedom of speech.


How's this moron, Juan McCain is going to be president not Palin, you fucking idiot!!! You have been here since November and still haven't figured things out? You ARE an idiot and a waste of time and space. Just don't delude yourself into believing that you're actually one of us. With friends like you who needs enemies. :rolleyes:

Wow, and people wonder why the "movement" is imploding. :cool:

[Grandson of Liberty]

Voting mccain/palin in this election does not equal leaving the RP movement...

Although the guff that I get is getting close...

I will continue educating people and building themovement so we can mke a differnce.

I hear ya, brother.

[Bman]

I hear ya, brother.

Funny, it means you've left to me.

[EndTheFed]

And you planned on doing that by immediatly after saying something as inflamatory as saying why you're going to vote for McCain. Smooth move.

I did not plan on doing that BUT after the fact... it sure proves a point doesnt it..

[EndTheFed]

Wow, and people wonder why the "movement" is imploding. :cool:

Exactly... GROW UP Peole or kill it...

[Bman]

I mentiond that I was votin mccain and alll hell broke loose.

In all honesty what did you think would happen after a comment like that? McCain/Plain ticket winng is 100% the worst thing that could happen to this movement. This movement has been centered around taking back control of the GOP and your action will help force us into 8 year waiting period. By which time I don't think an 80 year old Dr. Paul will be able to help us anymore. Explain raton ally betyond a lessor of two evil how one would not be dumbfounded by your desicion, and then enraged about your announcement to the people you are screwing.

[EndTheFed]

In all honesty what did you think would happen after a comment like that? McCain/Plain ticket winng is 100% the worst thing that could happen to this movement. This movement has been centered around taking back control of the GOP and your action will help force us into 8 year waiting period. By which time I don't think an 80 year old Dr. Paul will be able to help us anymore. Explain raton ally betyond a lessor of two evil how one would not be dumbfounded by your desicion, and then enraged about your announcement to the people you are screwing.

I really did not know it was that volitile... It is your opinion that mccain would be the worst that could happen to the movement..


That is not my opinion. Im not and idiot im not a stupid southerner.. I have a brain and I have come to the honest opinion that it would be better for reasons already discussed...

[Grandson of Liberty]

Funny, it means you've left to me.

Okay new guy. :rolleyes:

I'm wondering how many nano-seconds after the Palin announcement did it take you and the other Obama staffers to say "oh crap" and start damage control and sign up on the forum?

Yeah, just an uncharacteristic jab by me. But anyone with a Sept. 08 join date who latches on to Obama's guns and religion comment is asking for skepticism.

And yes, how dare we cling to the first two Amendments to the Constitution? Obama's plan fails if we keep those, doesn't it? And it scares the Obamanation to death. Good.

[Bman]

It is your opinion that mccain would be the worst that could happen to the movement..


No that is a fact. Here's why. He has done nothing but mock our stances. And as the incumbent in 2012, we will see no chance of having any of our agenda at centerstag until 2016. Maybe you can wait 8 years out of fear tactics of Obamas liberal agenda, but the Neocons have been winning people like you for years. This movement can never move forward if people like you remain scared.

[newyearsrevolution08]

It is your opinion that mccain would be the worst that could happen to the movement..


What does MCCAIN have to do with this MOVEMENT?

1+2=5 in your reasoning.

What does mccain have to do with the movement of liberty and bringing us back to the constitution AT ALL?

[Bman]

Okay new guy. :rolleyes:

I'm wondering how many nano-seconds after the Palin announcement did it take you and the other Obama staffers to say "oh crap" and start damage control and sign up on the forum?

Yeah, just an uncharacteristic jab by me. But anyone with a Sept. 08 join date who latches on to Obama's guns and religion comment is asking for skepticism.

And yes, how dare we cling to the first two Amendments to the Constitution? Obama's plan fails if we keep those, doesn't it? And it scares the Obamanation to death. Good.

Youtube. BrockTee.

I've been around for a while. Just not here.

[EndTheFed]

What does MCCAIN have to do with this MOVEMENT?

1+2=5 in your reasoning.

What does mccain have to do with the movement of liberty and bringing us back to the constitution AT ALL?


OK ONE MORE FUCKING TIME... John McCain has NOTHING to do with this movement.. I have determined it is the best thing for me to do at tis time... for this elections END OF STORY...

[EndTheFed]

Okay new guy. :rolleyes:

I'm wondering how many nano-seconds after the Palin announcement did it take you and the other Obama staffers to say "oh crap" and start damage control and sign up on the forum?

Yeah, just an uncharacteristic jab by me. But anyone with a Sept. 08 join date who latches on to Obama's guns and religion comment is asking for skepticism.

And yes, how dare we cling to the first two Amendments to the Constitution? Obama's plan fails if we keep those, doesn't it? And it scares the Obamanation to death. Good.

Ahhh interesting fact... did not know that ... hehe

[ClockwiseSpark]

OK ONE MORE FUCKING TIME... John McCain has NOTHING to do with this movement.. I have determined it is the best thing for me to do at tis time... for this elections END OF STORY...

Then why do you insist upon telling everyone here about your support for McCain?

Now please GROW UP and start showing some maturity, kettle.

[EndTheFed]

Then why do you insist upon telling everyone here about your support for McCain?

Now please GROW UP and start showing some maturity, kettle.

Very nicely done...


Hey.. so you are the pot? think you have that backwards..

the pot calls the kettle black... :)

I dont insist on telling everyone this.. I insist on defendint my position about growing up.. In my opinion the first time i mentioned it i was attacked.. irt was very uncalled for.

[constituent]

Im not and idiot im not a stupid southerner.. I have a brain.

Classic

[Paulitical Correctness]

Dude, if eating your half-dead, gangrenous best friend is "the best option at the time", good for you. But still, you're going to feel dirty all over for eternity.

Anyway, despite failure at putting analogies together like puzzle pieces - McCain is half-dead, essentially gangrenous, and is NOT your best friend - do not vote for him. :eek::eek::eek:

[EndTheFed]

Classic

Makes no sense... a non response... Hmmm

[ClockwiseSpark]

Very nicely done...


Hey.. so you are the pot? think you have that backwards..

the pot calls the kettle black... :)

I dont insist on telling everyone this.. I insist on defendint my position about growing up.. In my opinion the first time i mentioned it i was attacked.. irt was very uncalled for.

Attacked like this? I agree, uncalled for.


MMM seems you are as much a dumbass as Bman..

[Bman]

Ahhh interesting fact... did not know that ... hehe

I'll end your stupidity also.

BrockTee on youtube. Yup that's me.

[Orgoonian]

Shouldn't this be moved to hot topics?
It's getting tiresome reading posts from the McWar shills.:mad:
The rats are really coming out of the woodwork lately.I wonder what has them so scared?

[EndTheFed]

Attacked like this? I agree, uncalled for.

Yes.. I agree... after many many attacks and acting like I was an idot foe clionging to my guns and religion..

but your right...

[Grandson of Liberty]

Youtube. BrockTee.

I've been around for a while. Just not here.

Fair enough.

Though the Palin hatred does rival many Obama supporters.

[Bman]

And yes, how dare we cling to the first two Amendments to the Constitution? Obama's plan fails if we keep those, doesn't it? And it scares the Obamanation to death. Good.

That's the brilliance of Obama, and the display of idiocy on your part.

Reading between lines can be hard so let me help you out.

First off by saying you are protecting your first two amendments you act as if that's what the GOP is actually doing. Excuse me while I laugh for a few minutes....



..... Ok i'm back now.

Secondly rather than actaully debating topics and trying to move America in a direction, whatever that direction may be. You will sit around and do nothing because the GOP has your balls by simply saying Guns and Religion.

He called you out as a scared coward and you prove him right. Even now. Willing to risk nothing to hold onto something that someone promises under false pretenses. Face it. You're too afraid to be part of the liberty movement. I don't blame you but don't act like you're educating anyone. You are part of the self-righteous. Not the liberty movement. it's your rights you are concerned for. Not everyones.

This movement is about waking up the sheep. Forgive me for trying to communicate commonesense. I've should have known better.

[ClockwiseSpark]

Yes.. I agree... after many many attacks and acting like I was an idot foe clionging to my guns and religion..

but your right...

Ahh, Obama quotes now and out of context as well. I believe you have sufficiently exposed yourself for what you are.


http://punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/political-pictures-george-bush-fail.jpg

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

nt

[Andrew-Austin]

This quote was grabbed off page four: :eek:


that is all I kept asking for, if anything MOVE THEM to where they should be

ie:

other candidates
vent
traitor
trash
war room

SOMEWHERE besides the "ron paul grassroots central" section.

If there is going to be a place for used to be ron paul supporters who are now voting for obama or mccain at least put a section on this board for them and keep that conversation there.

Just like all the categories, every topic has its place and that has NOTHING to do with freedom of speech or whatever green peace save the whales bullshit someone tries to preach as to their reasoning to be able to talk up mccain or obama in any or all sections on this board as they please.


I actually contacted a mod about this, who then got back to me with this.

-------------------------------------------------------------

"I won't be moving it, though - Josh said that he prefers the absolute lightest moderation possible."

--------------------------------------------------------------

No wonder things can be so chaotic around here, the mods consider putting threads in the right section "too much moderation".

[satchelmcqueen]

targeted with prejudice. First thread I read tonight hijacked by support McCain. Second thread hijacked by support Obama. Kiss my ass.

We just had 4 independent candidates support 4 of our major issues. Clearly ANY of these candidates is a better choice than McCain or Obama.

There is no excuse for SUPPORTING McCain or Obama.

We have an opportunity to make a lot of noise for independent candidates and noise they shall have.

So if you want to support McCain get the hell out of my way and go post in McCain's forum.

If you want to support Obama get the hell out of my way and go post in Obama's forum.

Ron Paul is supporting independent candidates in general and this is the Ron Paul Forums.

And I will be talking to people about independent candidates and telling them to stop by some sites including Ron Paul forums for good info. So stop shitting on my hard work if you are going to settle right now on the lesser of liberty.

:D I like how you think!:D

[newyearsrevolution08]

:D I like how you think!:D

That is how I though ALL of us were thinking in here.

Free speech is one thing BUT I thought we were all on the same side "for the most part"...

If you dig mccain or obama WHY would you consider yourself a ron paul supporter AT ALL, also why not go and hang out with other mccain or obama supporters at their forums. Also while you are over there let them know that you STILL support ron paul 100% but are voting for mccain OR obama simply because ron paul is NOT running. I would love to hear some of the responses these people get over there lol.

I still would LOVE to hear ron pauls take on sarah palin, obama AND mccain and what he thinks about his so called supporters voting for ANY OF THE ABOVE due to worrying about the lesser or greater than two evil bullshit reasoning.

[EndTheFed]

Ahh, Obama quotes now and out of context as well. I believe you have sufficiently exposed yourself for what you are.


not sure what that means... but im not exposed as anything... I have let you know who i am... not need to read

[ProBlue33]

WOW this thread took off. Well people have very strong feelings on this topic.

Ron Paul supporters have different mindsets and perspectives. Here are the choices his supporters have come election day.

1)Stay Home.
2)Follow Ron's instruction to vote third party.
3)Write in Ron Paul(If State allows)
4)Vote McCain & GOP
5)Vote Obama & Dems

Here is the question then. What you do come election day, will it help or harm govern America better than the last eight years, for the next 4 years?

Every Ron Paul supporter needs to answer this question logically and cut the emotion out of it. Once you have intellectual honesty with yourself you can make the right choice for yourself.

[newyearsrevolution08]

WOW this thread took off. Well people have very strong feelings on this topic.

Ron Paul supporters have different mindsets and perspectives. Here are the choices his supporters have come election day.

1)Stay Home.
2)Follow Ron's instruction to vote third party.
3)Write in Ron Paul(If State allows)
4)Vote McCain & GOP
5)Vote Obama & Dems

Here is the question then. What you do come election day, will it help or harm govern America better than the last eight years, for the next 4 years?

Every Ron Paul supporter needs to answer this question logically and cut the emotion out of it. Once you have intellectual honesty with yourself you can make the right choice for yourself.

I have been wanting to vote for a 3rd party ever since I saw Ron Paul slow his campaign roll. Most were thinking that way BUT just not sure which 3rd party to actually vote for. I was in between barr and baldwin, they both have their pros and cons but I respect baldwin more and not really happy with the barr campaign and his holier than though attitude. I find it funny I am saying barr has a "holier than though" attitude over baldwin though lol, but that's how I roll baby lol.

[EndTheFed]

Ahh, Obama quotes now and out of context as well. I believe you have sufficiently exposed yourself for what you are.


And just who have I "exposed" myself to be? makes no sense..

[EndTheFed]

That is how I though ALL of us were thinking in here.

Free speech is one thing BUT I thought we were all on the same side "for the most part"...

If you dig mccain or obama WHY would you consider yourself a ron paul supporter AT ALL, also why not go and hang out with other mccain or obama supporters at their forums. Also while you are over there let them know that you STILL support ron paul 100% but are voting for mccain OR obama simply because ron paul is NOT running. I would love to hear some of the responses these people get over there lol.

I still would LOVE to hear ron pauls take on sarah palin, obama AND mccain and what he thinks about his so called supporters voting for ANY OF THE ABOVE due to worrying about the lesser or greater than two evil bullshit reasoning.

I let everyone I know know I'm a Ron Paul Supporter... It usually opens up good discussion... because I did not start off yelling 911 was an inside job in there face...

[EndTheFed]

WOW this thread took off. Well people have very strong feelings on this topic.

Ron Paul supporters have different mindsets and perspectives. Here are the choices his supporters have come election day.

1)Stay Home.
2)Follow Ron's instruction to vote third party.
3)Write in Ron Paul(If State allows)
4)Vote McCain & GOP
5)Vote Obama & Dems

Here is the question then. What you do come election day, will it help or harm govern America better than the last eight years, for the next 4 years?

Every Ron Paul supporter needs to answer this question logically and cut the emotion out of it. Once you have intellectual honesty with yourself you can make the right choice for yourself.

Agreed!!

[newyearsrevolution08]

I let everyone I know know I'm a Ron Paul Supporter... It usually open up good discussion... because I did not start off yelling 911 was an inside job in there face...

I don't ever say 9/11 was an inside job, not really even sure what your post and quoting my post has to do with 9-11. I myself am still not sure on the whole thing BUT sure an investigation is needed but when I speak of Ron Paul it includes ZERO to do with 9-11.

Not getting your point AT ALL.

[EndTheFed]

That is how I though ALL of us were thinking in here.

Free speech is one thing BUT I thought we were all on the same side "for the most part"...

If you dig mccain or obama WHY would you consider yourself a ron paul supporter AT ALL, also why not go and hang out with other mccain or obama supporters at their forums. Also while you are over there let them know that you STILL support ron paul 100% but are voting for mccain OR obama simply because ron paul is NOT running. I would love to hear some of the responses these people get over there lol.

I still would LOVE to hear ron pauls take on sarah palin, obama AND mccain and what he thinks about his so called supporters voting for ANY OF THE ABOVE due to worrying about the lesser or greater than two evil bullshit reasoning.

Sorry this is what I thought I was quoting... something weird happen... :)

[EndTheFed]

I don't ever say 9/11 was an inside job, not really even sure what your post and quoting my post has to do with 9-11. I myself am still not sure on the whole thing BUT sure an investigation is needed but when I speak of Ron Paul it includes ZERO to do with 9-11.

Not getting your point AT ALL.

The 911 comment was what SOME in this movement do that pisses people off and make it harder to talk about RP... I suppose it has now become a mission of mine (certainly not intended) to try to get people to know the difference in knowledge and wisdom and get them to apply a little wisdom...

[Bman]

The 911 comment was what SOME in this movement do that pisses people off and make it harder to talk about RP... I suppose it has now become a mission of mine (certainly not intended) to try to get people to know the difference in knowledge and wisdom and get them to apply a little wisdom...

Personally I don't talk about 9/11 nor am I a truther. It's about as genuine to the Liberty movement as saying one would vote for McCain.:p

[newyearsrevolution08]

Personally I don't talk about 9/11 nor am I a truther. It's about as genuine to the Liberty movement as saying one would vote for McCain.:p

Understandable, also with liberty comes responsibility and due trial. If 9-11 was an inside job then I think UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY there needs to be an investigation and if needed a trial for those who participated in it. I don't just buy into anything that sounds like it is real, that is what fiction is for....

Even if a guy walked out of a house with blood all over his clothes and a gun in his hand I still believe he deserves due trial and won't just go jumping to conclusions and plastering INSIDE JOB everywhere.

We made this same mistake plastering ron paul everywhere and a tad over excited which made us look a little crazy. We all can admit that.

Remember that one episode of friends where joey pretends he has a Porsche so he wears a porsche hat, shirt, clothing, EVERYTHING porsche.. He looked STUPID..

We would have done better LOOKING normal and not sounding like crazies and promoted ron paul as a real deal candidate without us getting overly excited...

For instance, ventura did a good job at the rally for the republic. He did not say 9-11 was an inside job and scream out truther shit but rather said, ask these couple questions to yourself and figure out what makes sense. That is an educated way to approaching something.

We need to go about the NEXT election cycle in a different approach and not as the wingnut candidate supporters but as TRUE PATRIOTS to where we look at the OTHER candidates and their supporters as the crazies.

Professional, know our shit and get it done.

This ONE election cycle is not going to be the end all for our country. A president will not collapse our country BUT our economic status can BUT that is NOT in the hands of the president no matter what people think.

If we don't want war guess who we need to deal with? Those who produce the weapons that are used in war. I am NOT talking about rifles and 2d amendment issues. I am talking about bombs and other shit that actually makes our economy go under. We can complain about mortgages and the stock market BUT the real spending deficit comes from our defense spending point blank.

Attack the issue itself and stop attacking the "Talking head" at the top who can't do shit even though he or she thinks they can.

Get the public educated and all of our headaches can go away, BUT everyone focuses on infighting and making sure we get more on par with this candidate or beating this other candidate.

When has ONE vote actually decided an election? Never....

Why worry about your ONE vote when you can spend time making sure THOUSANDS of others vote based on the ISSUES themselves and not party affiliation or how well a candidate can speak.

Remember those fucking speeches are written by SOMEONE ELSE. If you get all shaky legged over a speech then you might as well elect an actor as president.

[EndTheFed]

Personally I don't talk about 9/11 nor am I a truther. It's about as genuine to the Liberty movement as saying one would vote for McCain.:p

Well I'm an in betweener... I don't think bush was really in the basement of the white house detinating the explosions... but I also don't think building 7 fell by itself... many many questions.

All I am saying is there is a difference between knowledge and wisdom. You can have all the knowlede in the world, but if you don't use some wisdom when communicating that knowlede you might not get anywhere fast..

I have talked to many many people about RP. After spending a little time talking to them it generally comes dow to them saying that they like RP but his "followers are like a bowl of granolla; you take away the fruits and the nuts and all you have left are the flakes... :)

Now that is an easy one for people to wrongly use but we need to try to give them as little amunition as possible.. at the bottom of most of the stories there is some truth in what they say. And a few really did us a favor by throwing snowballs at sean.. People lagh and joke and yuck it up thinking this was great...

but for MONTHS we got national, daily joke because of this act by a few.

[newyearsrevolution08]

After spending a little time talking to them it generally comes down to them saying that they like RP but his "followers are like a bowl of granola; you take away the fruits and the nuts and all you have left are the flakes... :)

Are they voting for his "followers" or the candidate though?

I love it when people try and classify a candidate based on who supports them. For instance we have racists, sexist, lesbians and ex military among many others ALL backing ron paul. In a free society and the right to live how you want WHAT THE FUCK business is it of others to care WHO supports a person who believes it is EVERYONES right to live as they please?

What if these people you talk to where against what obama or mccain stand for? Would they be considered "flakes" as well and be looked down upon.

People are all for freedom for themselves BUT love to talk down on how other people live. Hypocrites and nothing more.

[EndTheFed]

Are they voting for his "followers" or the candidate though?

I love it when people try and classify a candidate based on who supports them. For instance we have racists, sexist, lesbians and ex military among many others ALL backing ron paul. In a free society and the right to live how you want WHAT THE FUCK business is it of others to care WHO supports a person who believes it is EVERYONES right to live as they please?

What if these people you talk to where against what obama or mccain stand for? Would they be considered "flakes" as well and be looked down upon.

People are all for freedom for themselves BUT love to talk down on how other people live. Hypocrites and nothing more.

Completely agreed... and I think it is wrong to classify a candidate by his folowers... but what I am commenting on is building the "movement"

In order to bring people to support liberty we need to be able to communicate effectively