If Obama Doesn't Win...

[rational thinker]

Then all of the disgruntled Americans in this country will think that the only reason we still have problems in this country after 4 years is because we still have a Republican president in the White House. This is kind of why I want Obama to win. If Obama wins and people see for themselves no change at all, then maybe some of them will wake up to the reality that both choices really do suck. If McCain wins, everyone will still use the same argument that it's because we need a Democrat. That's why Obama must win.

That's not to say, however, that I'm voting for Obama.

[ItsTime]

The best chances to get a liberty candidate elected in 2012 is to have Obama win. That is if we dont lose control of everything by that time.

[acptulsa]

It is an interesting question. I'm not sure it matters. A failed Obama administration could be blamed on the true fact that he inherited too big a mess to be cleaned up in four short years.

I believe that the most important ingredient in a takeover by liberty candidates is education, and the most important ingredient in that education is us.

[gjvrieze]

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[hopeforamerica]

People will believe whatever the media feeds them. It will be twisted to suit the NWO no matter who wins.

[SnappleLlama]

We're screwed either way.

[Kade]

Then all of the disgruntled Americans in this country will think that the only reason we still have problems in this country after 4 years is because we still have a Republican president in the White House. This is kind of why I want Obama to win. If Obama wins and people see for themselves no change at all, then maybe some of them will wake up to the reality that both choices really do suck. If McCain wins, everyone will still use the same argument that it's because we need a Democrat. That's why Obama must win.

That's not to say, however, that I'm voting for Obama.

This country will be more divided then has been since before the civil war if McCain wins. Mark my words.

In that sense, it might finally put the nail in the coffin for Social Conservatives who have driven this country back to the 1920s.

[Charles Wilson]

We're screwed either way.

For sex, vote McCain or Obama!

[acptulsa]

...who have driven this country back to the 1920s.

I wish.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1372853&postcount=1

[SnappleLlama]

For sex, vote McCain or Obama!

Ha, ha!

[RJB]

The best chances to get a liberty candidate elected in 2012 is to have Obama win. That is if we dont lose control of everything by that time.

They could have said the same thing about FDR. Obama, may just as easily be re-elected no matter how bad the collapse.

When the collapse hits, a good portion of the populace will go along with any tyranical measure the president decides on. Either way, any liberty that we have now has a good chance of being wiped away by the future president.

I personally believe it matters not who wins. What matters is that the nation wakes up. I fear too many are sedated in ignorance

[mconder]

If anyone remembers back to the summer of 2007, McCain's campaign was awash in debt and showing poorly in the polls. The fact that we are even talking McCain now proves how much control they really have. If McCain is their candidate, he will win.

[ProBlue33]

"This country will be more divided then has been since before the civil war if McCain wins. Mark my words."

I previous poster said this, I agree, if McCain wins it will be a 50/49 split, the 1% being everybody here that votes third party.

150 million of Americans are going to be very angry and frustrated that for now 8-12 years they virtually have no power to make the change they want.

If the GOP loses they had the last 8 years and they will consol themselves with that, and will say we will get it back in 2012.

[Krugerrand]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/6006550.html

If this is anyway indicative of her husband's perspective, (international banker Sir Evelyn de Rothschild) Obama's chances of winning are slim. At least, I would bet on the international bankers getting who they want elected.

[Kade]

"This country will be more divided then has been since before the civil war if McCain wins. Mark my words."

I previous poster said this, I agree, if McCain wins it will be a 50/49 split, the 1% being everybody here that votes third party.

150 million of Americans are going to be very angry and frustrated that for now 8-12 years they virtually have no power to make the change they want.

If the GOP loses they had the last 8 years and they will consol themselves with that, and will say we will get it back in 2012.

That is exactly correct. There is nothing to quell the anger and frustration of those very hardcore 40%, the GOP can handle a loss, like most of the other side did when Bush was initially elected... but the last 8 years has been intolerable, and another 4 is going to give us the type of things you saw in Seattle during the Early 90s a whole new level of reality.

[Kade]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/6006550.html

If this is anyway indicative of her husband's perspective, (international banker Sir Evelyn de Rothschild) Obama's chances of winning are slim. At least, I would bet on the international bankers getting who they want elected.

Queen of the CFR, and no, I am not joking.

[acptulsa]

Queen of the CFR, and no, I am not joking.

Well, more like its Duchess of Chicago, but yes--a valid point.

[Rhys]

The great Carsiniac has spoken.

[angelatc]

Then all of the disgruntled Americans in this country will think that the only reason we still have problems in this country after 4 years is because we still have a Republican president in the White House. This is kind of why I want Obama to win. If Obama wins and people see for themselves no change at all, then maybe some of them will wake up to the reality that both choices really do suck. If McCain wins, everyone will still use the same argument that it's because we need a Democrat. That's why Obama must win.

That's not to say, however, that I'm voting for Obama.

But on the other hand, if Obama doesn't win, it will be total chaos in the Democratic party. So both parties will be on the ropes - because the Republicans will indeed get the blame for the economy at the same time.

That's why it would have been nice to have a viable 3rd party candidate.

[Kludge]

After reading the OP, my mind jumped immediately to Kade who linked the financial institution failures to eight years of a Republican in office in an older thread.

[Kade]

But on the other hand, if Obama doesn't win, it will be total chaos in the Democratic party. So both parties will be on the ropes - because the Republicans will indeed get the blame for the economy at the same time.

That's why it would have been nice to have a viable 3rd party candidate.

No, the DNC is prepared to explain this in a way that will create the least amount of Chaos...

The election will be stolen by racist, propaganda spouting fascists, in their minds. Obama has taken a real beating, slandered and lied about to the end of ages, and his political career would be over. They will let him be, sulking to his bitter end. They lose their star, but the hardcore gets belligerent, and we will have a hotly contested and volatile Congress and Senate, state to state battles, and a general continued malaise.

If you haven't noticed, this country is dying. Not for the reasons many of you think... not at all actually.

It's a cultural thing. We have lost our societal "testosterone", the source of our pioneering spirit, fighting stupid cultural wars, fighting our own authority... in the past 8 years, can you name the number 1 hits in the billboard top 100?

Can you think of a new band, or a great new actor or actress?

Can you think of a few really good inventions?

We rode through the 90s on a wave of cultural revolution, new concepts, new images, a flourishing economy, flourishing music, art, and the free flow of information, and most of this was from technology invested and cultivated from the boom era of the 50s and 60s.

We are stagnating. Our culture is dying in the name of protecting the tradition. As my generation gets older, as we work more, as we try and defy the Lucifer principle, it is all for naught... the Baby Boomers have killed us and this country.

[Kade]

After reading the OP, my mind jumped immediately to Kade who linked the financial institution failures to eight years of a Republican in office in an older thread.

Think about it... these bailouts are unprecedented. This is total socialism, and complete abandonment of "free market" ideology...

That thread was about that anger... here we have a party in charge that ignores the basic necessary tenets of sound economic policy, in the names of lobbyists and financiers, doing what those businesses wanted, taking the chains off to run themselves into economic failure, and then using the tax payer when the balloon pops.


This is epic failure of the part of our government. It is not the natural state of things, and I don't care who continues to promote the party line. Fuck the Democrats, and Fuck the GOP.... both of them are to blame, but those sneaky deregulated credit lines caused this... is started in 1998, and it really came to head after 9-11, when the Republican Congress and President used that time to completely lift the sanctions on these EXACT companies, their lending habits, while leaving the tax shield, tax benefits, and FDIC Federal Bank protection.

It's despicable.

To save face, the government is now bailing them out, without the tax payer's approval, and the one's doing this are Republican. The committee is Republican, the administration is Republican. They are bailing it out so that the economy can LIMP to the finish line, just in time for their moron to enter office, so that they can help their corporate buddies for another 4 more years, before retiring on some foreign coast while this country sinks into absolute and total depression.

They should have lifted FDIC protection when they lifted the lending limits.
They should have lifted FDIC protection when they lifted the lending limits.
They should have lifted FDIC protection when they lifted the lending limits.
They should have lifted FDIC protection when they lifted the lending limits.
They should have lifted FDIC protection when they lifted the lending limits.
They should have lifted FDIC protection when they lifted the lending limits.

And they should have let these companies fail. Fail for their own horrific business practices... why are we allowing the Federal Government to play snooky to BAD business!? Let them die, and in the free market, better, more sound businesses will survive.

[newyearsrevolution08]

"Rational Thinker" - vote for obama?

that kind of makes that name NOT make too much RATIONAL sense to me.

[cska80]

I believe it doesn't make any difference whatsoever who becomes president unless it's someone who goes against the establishment which includes the mainstream media, congress, special interests, and both parties. This would obviously be someone like Ron Paul, and that is in fact an impossibility for the next 4 years. What do we do now?

I believe the best way to take our government back is by starting out where Washington has the least amount of influence; our own towns and cities. Education and information is the way to win this war...the war for your mind (thank you AJ). No matter if McCain wins or Obama, the same people and institution will control them. This is a dog and pony show. If we haven't learned that by now, we'll never win.

Spread like a virus. Start in our neighborhoods. Next, our towns. Then, our cities. Our neighborhoods, towns, and cities obviously make up our states so taking the previous targets will give us our states back. If we can do this, Washington is next.

[Kade]

I believe it doesn't make any difference whatsoever who becomes president unless it's someone who goes against the establishment which includes the mainstream media, congress, special interests, and both parties. This would obviously be someone like Ron Paul, and that is in fact an impossibility for the next 4 years. What do we do now?

I believe the best way to take our government back is by starting out where Washington has the least amount of influence; our own towns and cities. Education and information is the way to win this war...the war for your mind (thank you AJ). No matter if McCain wins or Obama, the same people and institution will control them. This is a dog and pony show. If we haven't learned that by now, we'll never win.

Spread like a virus. Start in our neighborhoods. Next, our towns. Then, our cities. Our neighborhoods, towns, and cities obviously make up our states so taking the previous targets will give us our states back. If we can do this, Washington is next.


I find it ironic that you are from Rhode Island, because I was just about to say that I'm doing it here... locally, starting with my city of Newport.

[Theocrat]

In the back of my mind, I think an Obama win would be just the thing this country needs to turn around in the right direction, especially for my fellow Christians who are voting for McCain because he's the lesser of two evils and has an outspoken Christian candidate as his VP. It will just demonstrate that their voting tactics will have failed in trying to keep a pro-death candidate, like Obama, out of the White House. Maybe that'll wake them up to voting for moral integrity and principle next time...

[Krugerrand]

In the back of my mind, I think an Obama win would be just the thing this country needs to turn around in the right direction, especially for my fellow Christians who are voting for McCain because he's the lesser of two evils and has an outspoken Christian candidate as his VP. It will just demonstrate that their voting tactics will have failed in trying to keep a pro-death candidate, like Obama, out of the White House. Maybe that'll wake them up to voting for moral integrity and principle next time...

I'm afraid that Pat Buchanan is closer to the mark with his recent piece:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/uc/20080912/cm_uc_crpbux/op_337385;_ylt=AnLLO7Lrj_7Q.Lj9iPubhqWets8F

"This election is America's last hope to reverse Roe v. Wade. Upon its outcome will rest the life, or death, of millions of unborn children. The great social cause of the Catholic Church and the Knights of Columbus, of the Evangelical and Pentecostal churches, of the entire right-to-life movement, hangs today in the balance.
...
The reason this election is the last chance for life is the Supreme Court. For it alone — given the cowardice of a Congress that refuses to restrict its authority — has the power to reverse Roe, and because that court may be within a single vote of doing so.
...
Bottom line. If Obama-Biden wins, Roe is forever. If McCain-Palin wins, Roe could be gone by the decade's end."

[cska80]

I find it ironic that you are from Rhode Island, because I was just about to say that I'm doing it here... locally, starting with my city of Newport.

I know :p We already had that conversation in the Rhode Island section about E-Verify and Donna Perry. I was going to run myself but I've had a tough year. Are you a local RI talk radio listener? You probably hear me every day.

[pauletteNV]

If anyone remembers back to the summer of 2007, McCain's campaign was awash in debt and showing poorly in the polls. The fact that we are even talking McCain now proves how much control they really have. If McCain is their candidate, he will win.

I remember that...and then after meeting in England and the fundraiser at the Rothchild's manion, things turned around. He was annointed.

When I saw the title to this post, I was thinking in a different direction. If Obama doesn't win, what are the chances of race riots? I think we might also see direct attacks on any media establishments which didn't favor him...

[Micah Dardar]

If Obama doesn't win, it will be because too much of America still cares about being racist than keeping us out of World War III. I don't agree with Obama, but I believe that he will be able to work with foreign leaders better than McBush.

What we have to look forward to is that internet use is growing exponentially. As long as we keep our lines of communication open, our message will continue to be spread. When Obama screws up, we will have what it takes to convince a large portion of Democrats that they should listen to us. Once we have all disgruntled Americans under one tent, then will will have the majority necessary to WIN!

People sometime ask me how I can be so optimistic. My simple answer is that I know that good will prevail. I just don't know when. It's up to us to make sure that it does.

[Kade]

I know :p We already had that conversation in the Rhode Island section about E-Verify and Donna Perry. I was going to run myself but I've had a tough year. Are you a local RI talk radio listener? You probably hear me every day.

I listen to Helen Glover and call in occasionally. I think she spouts so much propaganda... so much. It's hard to even know where to start.

[BarryDonegan]

if obama even phones in the debates and does em while texting on his cell phone, he will still win.

mccain will not make it through a debate process, he is the worst debater in the history of politics.

you can't answer "I didn't have time to think about that when I was in a cell in Hanoi Hilton" to every single question, and have it work against a Cicero-like orator like Obama

[Drknows]

i guess many of you never paid attention to politics during the Clinton years.

You know who they focused on? Republicans in congress and the senate.

People belong to a party. All they see is red and blue.


It doesn't matter who wins. If the republicans were pulling the shit the dems are pulling now in congress there would be a media frenzy.

[strapko]

No, Obama winning will not make anymore difference in future liberty than Mccain. George Senior to Clinton; Clinton to Bush. Bush to maybe Obama = Obama to some random republican douche. Mccain and Obama are very similar they just use different approaches, I don't see how it would make any difference, people who vote for either are already living the matrix.

If Obama gets elected; the msm will report on how they should of voted for Mccain and all would of been well, then rinse and repeat.

[rational thinker]

"Rational Thinker" - vote for obama?

that kind of makes that name NOT make too much RATIONAL sense to me.

I'm not voting for Obama.