Where is the Anger?!

[Kade]

The economy is sinking like the Lusitania. Yes, Ron Paul prophesied most of this... but what was his solution?

It appears to me that the lack of regulation in these markets, especially housing markets, is going to cripple us...

This is the result of an extended Republican rule, why do some of you still support, even in mild defense, this Theocratic, fascist, party?

[Highland]

I don't.

[yongrel]

:rolleyes:

Kade, sometimes I think you just like having people yell at you.

[Bruno]

:rolleyes:

Kade, sometimes I think you just like having people yell at you.

+1

[ItsTime]

go suck the Obama kool aid some more

[tmosley]

The Fed caused this mess, not regulation. Regulation is rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

I don't think anyone here really supports the party, but we are just trying to use it as a means (shifting the ideology of an established party) to an end (real freedom and cutting back on government).

I thought this was well known. What's with the hate all of a sudden?

[acptulsa]

The economy is sinking like the Lusitania. Yes, Ron Paul prophesied most of this... but what was his solution?

It appears to me that the lack of regulation in these markets, especially housing markets, is going to cripple us...

This is the result of an extended Republican rule, why do some of you still support, even in mild defense, this Theocratic, fascist, party?

Regulation has crippled us, Kade--regulation and the incestuous relationship between the regulators and the regulated. Witness the ex- Fannie/Freddie lobbyists and executives in both the Obama and McCain campaigns.

Lack of regulation has not been tried for over a hundred years, my man. You know this.

[Conza88]

The economy is sinking like the Lusitania. Yes, Ron Paul prophesied most of this... but what was his solution?

It appears to me that the lack of regulation in these markets, especially housing markets, is going to cripple us...

This is the result of an extended Republican rule, why do some of you still support, even in mild defense, this Theocratic, fascist, party?

Lack of regulation? :confused:

What are you talking about? The problem is the fractional reserve banking system / fiat currency / central bank etc... You remind me of my Keynesian economics teacher... the banks are greedy, they gave out loans to people who could never pay them etc, if they came under pressure of rising living costs... It's those banks fault for giving people loans!

Has nothing to do with the central bank with artificially low interest rates... :rolleyes: Of course not! That's absurd.

You want more regulation? LOL...

Why not more anger? It's hard to hate the state more than I already do. ;) Plus this is expected.... been saying to my neocon mate it'd go down like this 3 months ago.. he didn't believe me.

Why do you contend there's a difference between a democrats / republicans? :confused: Fail. They both suck.

Edit:

:rolleyes:

Kade, sometimes I think you just like having people yell at you.

I'm beginning to think the exact same thing..

[Kade]

go suck the Obama kool aid some more

As contrasted to what you are sucking on?

http://www.reason.com/UserFiles/mccain_wow.jpg

[ItsTime]

As contrasted to what you are sucking on?

http://www.reason.com/UserFiles/mccain_wow.jpg

Im not voting for McCain.

[Kade]

Lack of regulation? :confused:

What are you talking about? The problem is the fractional reserve banking system / fiat currency / central bank etc... You remind me of my Keynesian economics teacher... the banks are greedy, they gave out loans to people who could never pay them etc, if they came under pressure of rising living costs... It's those banks fault for giving people loans!

Has nothing to do with the central bank with artificially low interest rates... :rolleyes: Of course not! That's absurd.

You want more regulation? LOL...

Why not more anger? It's hard to hate the state more than I already do. ;) Plus this is expected.... been saying to my neocon mate it'd go down like this 3 months ago.. he didn't believe me.

Why do you contend there's a difference between a democrats / republicans? :confused: Fail. They both suck.

You remind me of someone who can't think for themselves and spouts off Republican Newspeak like a lactose intolerant elephant with the shits.

[constituent]

The Fed caused this mess, not regulation.

The fed is regulation.

[Truth Warrior]

http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism.html

[Kade]

If you ever have Truth Warrior or Conza88 attack you on this forum, you are doing something right. When you two are done scissoring and frothing over each other, you might want to try posting anything that isn't nonsense.

[Conza88]

You remind me of someone who can't think for themselves and spouts off Republican Newspeak like a lactose intolerant elephant with the shits.

What the hell? LOL... me a republican? I was a chomsky leaning independent before I found Ron Paul. Thanks for the Ad Hominen. Address the argument thanks, or you lose yet AGAIN. ;)


If you ever have Truth Warrior or Conza88 attack you on this forum, you are doing something right. When you two are done scissoring and frothing over each other, you might want to try posting anything that isn't nonsense.

Umm.... I don't just roll my eyes & post links, I've pretty much only ever addressed your arguments Kade. And when you fail to use any kind of comprehension skills, that's when I mix in some subtle and deserved jabs - right back at ya.

"Don't be bitter, cus I'm better, it shouldn't be your main concern..." ;)


Im not voting for McCain.

He just doesn't get it... does he? :confused:

[ItsTime]

The fed is regulation.

so many people miss that simple point.

[acptulsa]

You remind me of someone who can't think for themselves and spouts off Republican Newspeak like a lactose intolerant elephant with the shits.

Fail.

What has gotten into you this morning? You call this a rebuttal?

Conza said nothing the G.O.P. wants to hear anyone say out loud. Nothing.

P.S. The difference between a devil's advocate and a troll is that the devil's advocate tries to open people's minds and ensure they don't fail to consider either side. A troll stirs up anger and divisiveness for their own sake.

I don't wish to change my mind about you...

[Kade]

The Fed now has even more power, more than it has ever had before... and all to delay the inevitable.

A calmer person would simply observe that regulating the credit lines of these bigger mortgage giants would prevent the TOTAL socialization of the goddamnit market!!

You guys are this thick. I know some of you are smarter than this... think for fuck's sake. Use your fucking brains...

Oh, and the FED is the biggest form of regulation.

[Truth Warrior]

If you ever have Truth Warrior or Conza88 attack you on this forum, you are doing something right. When you two are done scissoring and frothing over each other, you might want to try posting anything that isn't nonsense. Just more bogus BORING Marxist wannabe guppy BS. :rolleyes: :p

[Kade]

Fail.

What has gotten into you this morning? You call this a rebuttal?

Conza said nothing the G.O.P. wants to hear anyone say out loud. Nothing.

I said nothing about Democrats. I'm not one, nor am I voting for one... but I hate the Republicans. Hate them.

This could have been prevented...

Way #1: Ron Paul Method of Total Unregulatory Market.

Way#2: Smaller Regulation on Credit Lines.

Chosen Way #3: Maintain benefits of low interest, deregulating the limits of loans, and sitting back taking lobbyist monety.


Chosen Way #3 is REPUBLICAN.

Sorry.

[Kade]

Just more bogus BORING Marxist wannabe guppy BS. :rolleyes: :p

http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlLA/original/george_clooney.jpg

[Truth Warrior]

So just ABOLISH the Fed. It ain't "rocket science", folks. :rolleyes:

[acptulsa]

A calmer person would simply observe that regulating the credit lines of these bigger mortgage giants would prevent the TOTAL socialization of the goddamnit market!!

Thank you for coming to the point. Don't know why you felt the need to get our attention before doing it.

So, now that we have the subject of this thread, perhaps we can address ourselves to it like rational people.

[Kade]

What the hell? LOL... me a republican? I was a chomsky leaning independent before I found Ron Paul. Thanks for the Ad Hominen. Address the argument thanks, or you lose yet AGAIN. ;)


You really did start it with the kool aid comment.



Umm.... I don't just roll my eyes & post links, I've pretty much only ever addressed your arguments Kade. And when you fail to use any kind of comprehension skills, that's when I mix in some subtle and deserved jabs - right back at ya.

"Don't be bitter, cus I'm better, it shouldn't be your main concern..." ;)



You attacked me on making a point that I considered extremely valid. You didn't dispute the point. Instead, you focused on what you think about me, and attacked me on my views in other regards. This is about my hatred of the GOP, and what I think caused this... you didn't dispute anything.

The Housing Market Goons are happy go luck assholes with low interest protection on their "product". Being "too big to fail" is a product of deregulating some aspects of the market, while allowing others to remain, namely the protection of the FDIC....

Now, notice I didn't attack you. I don't start off that way, I post, you insults, and I respond in kind.

[Kludge]

I love Drew Carey, but he sucks balls at hosting TPiR.

BALLS!!! :mad::mad::mad:

[acptulsa]

I said nothing about Democrats. I'm not one, nor am I voting for one... but I hate the Republicans. Hate them.

So do we hate many of them, Kade, as you know. Furthermore, many of us don't put all liberals in the same basket, but try to judge them on their individual merits.

Where's the anger? From what I've seen of the forums, we expressed a ton of righteous indignation back when we merely saw it coming. Now we have heads cool enough that we can educate people on the real causes. Thankfully.

[ShowMeLiberty]

I said nothing about Democrats. I'm not one, nor am I voting for one... but I hate the Republicans. Hate them.

This could have been prevented...

Way #1: Ron Paul Method of Total Unregulatory Market.

Way#2: Smaller Regulation on Credit Lines.

Chosen Way #3: Maintain benefits of low interest, deregulating the limits of loans, and sitting back taking lobbyist monety.


Chosen Way #3 is REPUBLICAN.

Sorry.

The seeds were planted long ago by Alan Greenspan. True, he was made Fed Chairman by Bush Sr., but Bill Clinton was happy enough during his eight years to let the bubbles expand and not replace Greenspan.

And I'm not defending Republicans - I have no love for Republicans or Democrats, I am only mentioning the actual history that led us to where we are today.

[Kade]

So just ABOLISH the Fed. It ain't "rocket science", folks. :rolleyes:

How?! You can't do it!!

You have to fight on their level. The things that can be done, like electing common sense and honest people is a step in the right direction.

There are people here who are voting for McCain. McCain represents exactly the type of thinking that caused this.

[Kade]

The seeds were planted long ago by Alan Greenspan. True, he was made Fed Chairman by Bush Sr., but Bill Clinton was happy enough during his eight years to let the bubbles expand and not replace Greenspan.

And I'm not defending Republicans - I have no love for Republicans or Democrats, I am only mentioning the actual history that led us to where we are today.

I'm not defending Democrats either. They are a whole other thing to me...

Many of you here have taken to defending Republicans as much as you can. I'd like to change that. These idiots have really ruined things.

(And yes, I'm mad this morning... I lost money this weekend)

[constituent]

Oh, and the FED is the biggest form of regulation.

agreed. screwing the little guy since 1913.

[Danke]

What has gotten into you this morning?

This morning? You say that as if he were displaying aberrant behavior.

[Conza88]

You really did start it with the kool aid comment.

Kade lives in a fantasy land. Blatant fcken lie. :)

I will accept your apology, should you give it. Will you?

Exhibit A (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1683540&postcount=5)


You attacked me on making a point that I considered extremely valid. You didn't dispute the point. Instead, you focused on what you think about me, and attacked me on my views in other regards. This is about my hatred of the GOP, and what I think caused this... you didn't dispute anything.

The Housing Market Goons are happy go luck assholes with low interest protection on their "product". Being "too big to fail" is a product of deregulating some aspects of the market, while allowing others to remain, namely the protection of the FDIC....

Now, notice I didn't attack you. I don't start off that way, I post, you insults, and I respond in kind.

Haaahaha.... you've lost your marbles mate.

What fcken thread are you referring to? Because it certainly ain't this one....

What the hell are you on this morning? :confused: You usually have some kind of sense, however deluded it is.. but this is crazy talk.

Again, a total distortion of reality by you. I suggest you review this thread, and your actions.

Exhibit B (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1683549&postcount=8)

[Truth Warrior]

http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlLA/original/george_clooney.jpg

OFF TOPIC :rolleyes:

Well, hmmm, now that you mention it ( AGAIN ), I think the avatar pic bears a stronger resemblance to Tom Selleck or John Stossel perhaps. Maybe that's just a generational thing.

[ItsTime]

I think kade found the anger

[Kade]

OFF TOPIC :rolleyes:

Well, hmmm, now that you mention it ( AGAIN ), I think the avatar pic bears a stronger resemblance to Tom Selleck or John Stossel perhaps. Maybe that's just a generational thing.

Wow. You are actually responding with insulting me...

I'll consider it a truce.

[Kade]

I think kade found the anger

Me.

Not a single one of you wouldn't want me in office, I promise you that, yet I take more hate than the entire Fascist/Socialist party system combined.

I love it.

[Kludge]

Not a single one of you wouldn't want me in office

Listening to Jesse Ventura too much methinks, Kade.

[Truth Warrior]

Wow. You are actually responding with insulting me...

I'll consider it a truce.
That would be merely yet another INCORRECT consideration, guppy.

[Conza88]

Me.

Not a single one of you wouldn't want me in office, I promise you that, yet I take more hate than the entire Fascist/Socialist party system combined.

I love it.

I don't want you in office. You have no grasp on reality.

See above. ;)

Yessss, pretty much anything is better than the current system. A monkey in office, is literally better than what is now. It's not saying much Kade. :)

[Truth Warrior]

Me.

Not a single one of you wouldn't want me in office, I promise you that, yet I take more hate than the entire Fascist/Socialist party system combined.

I love it. Delusions and fantasies of adequacy. :rolleyes: :p

[ShowMeLiberty]

I'm not defending Democrats either. They are a whole other thing to me...

Many of you here have taken to defending Republicans as much as you can. I'd like to change that. These idiots have really ruined things.

(And yes, I'm mad this morning... I lost money this weekend)

Ahhh, that explains much. I don't blame you for being angry.

Crazy as it sounds, I'm beginning to be kind of happy that I have no retirement accounts or other investments to worry about anymore. Lost everything already in a small business endeavor that was unfortunately started just before the latest bubble burst. Anger has finally changed to acceptance for me, but I feel your pain.

[Truth Warrior]

And the typical "liberal" ( so called ) solution is .................... of course, MORE government. :p :rolleyes:

Is ANYBODY else on the RPF REALLY surprised by that AT ALL? ;)

[strapko]

Ron Paul does have a solution you fucking tool; Sound money. What solutions do your socialists have? That has not added to the problem?

[acptulsa]

Kade, at the risk of being accused of rubbing salt in a wound (which I'm really not trying to do), your friends here did try to get you to switch to safe havens--or if not you personally, did sound the alarm.

There will be a bounce, so wait for them to come up a bit before you do so if you do choose to do so. Or at least, that's what I would do. You know I can make no guarantees...

[tonesforjonesbones]

Kade, please show me where Obama or any democrat is discussing ending the Federal Reserve system. Thanks. Tones

[Kade]

Kade, at the risk of being accused of rubbing salt in a wound (which I'm really not trying to do), your friends here did try to get you to switch to safe havens--or if not you personally, did sound the alarm.

There will be a bounce, so wait for them to come up a bit before you do so if you do choose to do so. Or at least, that's what I would do. You know I can make no guarantees...

Safe Havens? The day I take financial advice from RPF, is the day I am bankrupt.

No thanks.

There were no prophesied safe havens. Luckily for me, I chose to move some things to China.

[aravoth]

The economy is sinking like the Lusitania. Yes, Ron Paul prophesied most of this... but what was his solution?

It appears to me that the lack of regulation in these markets, especially housing markets, is going to cripple us...

This is the result of an extended Republican rule, why do some of you still support, even in mild defense, this Theocratic, fascist, party?

God dammit Kade.

Lack of regulation? LACK OF REGULATION KADE?

Central Bank regulating interest rates, the value of our money, bailing out Fannie and Freddie. Is that Lack of Regulation Kade? The FED created the mortgage mess you god damn soviet. And they created it by regulating it. What part of that is so fuckin' hard to grasp for you?

If you don't know what Ron Paul's solution to this shit is then you haven't been paying attention, which is perfectly obvious to me considering you are goofy enough to believe that somehow this is all "Bush's" fault. Even when Democrats have had the power of the Pen for the last 2 years.

You know what dude? Presidents don't create Jobs, they don't build houses, they don't create loan products, they don't set interest rates, and they don't run investment banks. Businesses do. And they are able to do better without the government sponsering corrupt criminal accounting practices. Only thing Presidents do is spend money congress gives them. And your well intentioned (albeit severely misguided) progressive friends gave him all the money he needed to do whatever he wanted.

[Kade]

Listening to Jesse Ventura too much methinks, Kade.

I haven't heard him speak since I watched the movie Predator.. seriously, I have no idea what you are talking about here.

[tonesforjonesbones]

What did you move to China? lol tones

[Kade]

That would be merely yet another INCORRECT consideration, guppy.

I tried.

[Cinderella]

lmfao at this thread!!!! hahahahahahaha

[acptulsa]

The anger is being actively and purposely misdirected.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=155425

[Conza88]

God dammit Kade.

Lack of regulation? LACK OF REGULATION KADE?

Central Bank regulating interest rates, the value of our money, bailing out Fannie and Freddie. Is that Lack of Regulation Kade? The FED created the mortgage mess you god damn soviet. And they created it by regulating it. What part of that is so fuckin' hard to grasp for you?

If you don't know what Ron Paul's solution to this shit is then you haven't been paying attention, which is perfectly obvious to me considering you are goofy enough to believe that somehow this is all "Bush's" fault. Even when Democrats have had the power of the Pen for the last 2 years.

You know what dude? Presidents don't create Jobs, they don't build houses, they don't create loan products, they don't set interest rates, and they don't run investment banks. Businesses do. And they are able to do better without the government sponsering corrupt criminal accounting practices. Only thing Presidents do is spend money congress gives them. And your well intentioned (albeit severely misguided) progressive friends gave him all the money he needed to do whatever he wanted.

Hahahaha omg. Post of the month easily. :D

Btw, Kade... going to acknowledge you were wrong yet? ;)

[tonesforjonesbones]

Well, if we lived in a MORAL SOCIETY there would be no need for any regulation. Unfortunately, we live in BABYLON...and posters on this thread want even MORE BABYLONIAN behavior. As society becomes larger and more diverse the immorality of it FORCES more GOVERNMENT FORCE (laws and regulations). Freedom/Liberty means there must be a sense of morality within the individual...or it just does not work. I consider there must be a balance ...there just can't be a lawless society or we would eat each other. (soylent green) TONES (you know, human nature and all that jazz)

[Cinderella]

God dammit Kade.

Lack of regulation? LACK OF REGULATION KADE?

Central Bank regulating interest rates, the value of our money, bailing out Fannie and Freddie. Is that Lack of Regulation Kade? The FED created the mortgage mess you god damn soviet. And they created it by regulating it. What part of that is so fuckin' hard to grasp for you?

If you don't know what Ron Paul's solution to this shit is then you haven't been paying attention, which is perfectly obvious to me considering you are goofy enough to believe that somehow this is all "Bush's" fault. Even when Democrats have had the power of the Pen for the last 2 years.

You know what dude? Presidents don't create Jobs, they don't build houses, they don't create loan products, they don't set interest rates, and they don't run investment banks. Businesses do. And they are able to do better without the government sponsering corrupt criminal accounting practices. Only thing Presidents do is spend money congress gives them. And your well intentioned (albeit severely misguided) progressive friends gave him all the money he needed to do whatever he wanted.

BEST RESPONSE EVER!!!!! haha:p

[Kludge]

I haven't heard him speak since I watched the movie Predator.. seriously, I have no idea what you are talking about here.

“If you get me ballot access in all fifty states and get me in the debates, I’d run and I’d win.” - Ventura

[tonesforjonesbones]

If you take GOD out of the mix...well...you can see for yourself what happens. Tones

[Kade]

What did you move to China? lol tones

Fiat.

Also put some money on U.S. Treasury Bonds, which some would call a "Safe Haven".

Gold is an utter waste of time, and it's because there are so many goldtards around that the damn thing is floating. To hell with gold.


I like Rice.


Anyway. Diversify. That is all.

[Kade]

“If you get me ballot access in all fifty states and get me in the debates, I’d run and I’d win.” - Ventura

Nope. I don't listen to him, and I avoid the threads here about him.

http://www.joblo.com/newsimages1/wwjesse.jpg

[Kade]

Hahahaha omg. Post of the month easily. :D

Btw, Kade... going to acknowledge you were wrong yet? ;)

Wrong about what? That lack of regulation caused this?

No, it did.

[aravoth]

Wrong about what? That lack of regulation caused this?

No, it did.

you're an idiot

[Kade]

God dammit Kade.

Lack of regulation? LACK OF REGULATION KADE?

Central Bank regulating interest rates, the value of our money, bailing out Fannie and Freddie. Is that Lack of Regulation Kade? The FED created the mortgage mess you god damn soviet. And they created it by regulating it. What part of that is so fuckin' hard to grasp for you?

If you don't know what Ron Paul's solution to this shit is then you haven't been paying attention, which is perfectly obvious to me considering you are goofy enough to believe that somehow this is all "Bush's" fault. Even when Democrats have had the power of the Pen for the last 2 years.

You know what dude? Presidents don't create Jobs, they don't build houses, they don't create loan products, they don't set interest rates, and they don't run investment banks. Businesses do. And they are able to do better without the government sponsering corrupt criminal accounting practices. Only thing Presidents do is spend money congress gives them. And your well intentioned (albeit severely misguided) progressive friends gave him all the money he needed to do whatever he wanted.

What a fucking blowhard you are... lol. Go suck goat's ass. You didn't make any points that others haven't already made. But you'll be a celebrity hero soon, because that's what using retarded avatars and joining the collectivist mindset is all about.


I know perfectly well what Ron Paul's solution is.. but I also know it's not possible. Businesses run the government. You advocate for a way to allow those businesses more power to run the government because you think they do a better job than the limited, but powerful businesses now?

You are fucking joke.

Also "Sponsoring" doesn't have an "e" in it.

[Kade]

you're an idiot

Whatever you need to feed your propaganda and collectivist thought. Whatever you need to feel better. Keep electing morons. You win.

[amonasro]

you're an idiot

I think we can all agree on this. Just let him cry himself to sleep.

[Conza88]

you're an idiot
Haha...

I think we can all agree on this. Just let him cry himself to sleep.
Lmfao... :D


Wrong about what? That lack of regulation caused this?

No, it did.

Are you fucken blind, or just willfully ignorant of your retardedness? :rolleyes:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1683606&postcount=32


Troller
http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/Assets/troller.jpg
Troller is looking for a response...ANY response, and he will chum the waters with complaints, insults, compliments, and inflammatory tidbits hoping that someone...ANYONE, will take the bait. Generally quite harmless - practices a form of catch and release. Nonetheless, he can upset the delicate ecology of a discussion forum. Once a forum becomes aware of his presence, however, all feeding activity ceases and Troller must move on to more promising waters.

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Ferrous Cranus
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Ferrous Cranus is utterly impervious to reason, persuasion and new ideas, and when engaged in battle he will not yield an inch in his position regardless of its hopelessness. Though his thrusts are decisively repulsed, his arguments crushed in every detail and his defenses demolished beyond repair he will remount the same attack again and again with only the slightest variation in tactics. Sometimes out of pure frustration Philosopher will try to explain to him the failed logistics of his situation, or Therapist will attempt to penetrate the psychological origins of his obduracy, but, ever unfathomable, Ferrous Cranus cannot be moved.

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Idealogue
http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/Assets/ideologue.jpg
The most common variants of Ideologue are conservative and liberal. Smug and self satisfied in their certitudes, Ideologue's opinions are merely a loose collection of intellectual conceits, and e is genuinely astonished, bewildered and and indignant that his views are not universally embraced as the Truth. He regards the opposing point of view as a form of cognitive dissonance whose only cure is relentless propagandizing and browbeating. The conservative iteration of Ideologue parades himself as a logical, clear thinker, while the liberal version trumpets his higher level of mental, spiritual and social awareness. Troglodyte is the natural ally of conservative Ideologue, and for liberal Ideologue it is Weenie. Ideologue is a fierce, but very predictable Warrior..

= ???

;)

[Kade]

Tax shields, flippers, speculators, lax lending standards, and bubble mentality.

Congratulations. You might have just gotten smarter.

[Kade]

Haha...


Those are exactly what I have to battle against everyday here. Especially the Impervious brand.

[Conza88]

Those are exactly what I have to battle against everyday here. Especially the Impervious brand.

Maybe there's a reason for it? :confused: lol.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1683606&postcount=32

[strapko]

Kade's way of doing things:

A) Find a problem
B) Post the problem
C) Blame the problem on something
D) Never gives his solution for what he posted.

So Kade...What should the government do?

[aravoth]

What a fucking blowhard you are... lol. Go suck goat's ass. You didn't make any points that others haven't already made. But you'll be a celebrity hero soon, because that's what using retarded avatars and joining the collectivist mindset is all about.


I know perfectly well what Ron Paul's solution is.. but I also know it's not possible. Businesses run the government. You advocate for a way to allow those businesses more power to run the government because you think they do a better job than the limited, but powerful businesses now?

You are fucking joke.

Also "Sponsoring" doesn't have an "e" in it.

You stupid fucker Kade, I got an idea, how about you tell all of us exactly where the market was not regulated. Don't pull it out of your ass either, and don't post a fucking op-ed piece. Show us exactly where deregulation killed the economy.

You're really good at making baseless blanket statements ripped from an Obama speech, putting everyone here on the defense. Can you point to anything other than some hairy fat guy's blog to back up your bullshit?

Everything you say, is shit. Period. If your philosophy was so fucking accurate then you should be playing this market like a fucking fiddle. But instead you're loosing your shirt. Go fuck yourself. Don't get gold, don't get silver, just stay the course asshole, get as poor as you can, your government handout is only an election away.

What a worthless sack of shit you are.

[Kade]

Kade's way of doing things:

A) Find a problem
B) Post the problem
C) Blame the problem on something
D) Never gives his solution for what he posted.

So Kade...What should the government do?

http://ideas.repec.org/p/fip/fedawp/2005-24.html

I think the government should have ended the Tax Shields a LONG time ago. Ideally, the Federal Reserve should have been toast so many years ago...

That being said, from a purely rational approach to the problem, the reality of the situation is that the current method of lending by these giants caused this... this could have been prevented by regulating who they give the loans to, at least for the largest of these giants. More regulation is not a good thing, but in this case, it prevents the stupidity ballooning.

[Kludge]

I think Kade is more motivated by hope than anger, or he wouldn't create threads like this in RPFs.

[Kade]

You stupid fucker Kade, I got an idea, how about you tell all of us exactly where the market was not regulated. Don't pull it out of your ass either, and don't post a fucking op-ed piece. Show us exactly where deregulation killed the economy.

You're really good at making baseless blanket statements ripped from an Obama speech, putting everyone here on the defense. Can you point to anything other than some hairy fat guy's blog to back up your bullshit?

Everything you say, is shit. Period. If your philosophy was so fucking accurate then you should be playing this market like a fucking fiddle. But instead you're loosing your shirt. Go fuck yourself. Don't get gold, don't get silver, just stay the course asshole, get as poor as you can, your government handout is only an election away.

What a worthless sack of shit you are.

Ripped from an Obama speech? I listen to him about as much as you make sense.

The reason you think what I say is shit is because you really don't pay fucking attention.

I spend half the time here returning the insults, the other half combating falsehoods... I have little time to go over this stupidity.When I do finally have time to talk, it's a different story...

What is my philosophy? Seriously.. you speak as if you know... Government handout?

Wtf are you talking about?

[Conza88]

Target
http://redwing.hutman.net/%7Emreed/Assets/target.jpg
Target is the guy everyone in a forum loves to hate. He brings this upon himself; he may be a known cheater in a game forum, a conservative among liberals, a Windows guy among Mac enthusiasts, or even a man in a women's forum. Why Target places himself in such dicey situations is anyone's guess, but he seems genuinely oblivious to the danger. When Warriors unleash their fury upon him his usual reaction is "Hey, what did I do?" or "Why do you all hate me?" Target eventually gets the hint after a while and moves on. NOTE: Target often serves as a useful pressure valve for the forum's pent up hostilities. Therefore, if the current Target has been driven off or immobilized a new target will be quickly selected. CAUTION: Target is a favorite disguise of Troller and Evil Clown.



Going to admit you were wrong yet? Be man enough to face up to it, or just try keep ignoring it.

False accusations... tsk tsk. ;)

[Doktor_Jeep]

Where is the anger?

Do you expect anger from a mentally castrated (the women too), flouride-slurping prozac-popping nation of zombies?

Here is a solution:

Let's stop sitting around waiting for "the masses", spoken fast enough sounds like "dumbasses", to get their heads out their asses.

Let's start using real currency, and engaging in person-to-person contracts for good and services, without government, with "the masses".

And with the nation in receivership, when they come for the farms and the food, resist!

It's not to save "the people", who spent the last 2 years giggling and mocking us.

It's to save each other. We have a community of patriots here, from economists of the Austrian school to theologists of the Concordant translations (think of an "Anti-evangelist" Christian), we have true populist pro-liberty leaders, to trained trigger-pullers.

Waiting for Joe Sixpack and Sally Sokkermom to approve or get a clue is like expecting the zombies to forgoe eating your brains.

Let's get out there and get on with it.

[tmosley]

(And yes, I'm mad this morning... I lost money this weekend)

What on Earth did you do? Try to short Merrill? If you did, that was a dangerous game, and you should have known better. Any of these companies could get bought out at the last minute, and you could easily lose your shirt shorting them.

You should have been buying silver, stupid (I mean that in the nicest possible way). This is a bull market correction, and a great time to get in. I'm going to increase my investment 2.5x this week. You can call me stupid for doing it (plenty of people around here have), but I'll be laughing while my relative purchasing power goes through the roof over the next few months and years. In the "worst case scenario" the economy gets better, and you can just get a higher paying job to make up for the money you lost. Even then, you wouldn't have lost everything, about the worst imaginable scenario at this point is a further loss of 50%, and I just don't see that happening with supply and demand out of whack the way they are right now.

[Kade]

Going to admit you were wrong yet? Be man enough to face up to it, or just try keep ignoring it.

False accusations... tsk tsk. ;)

http://ideas.repec.org/p/fip/fedawp/2005-24.html

Wrong about what Conza?

Cooking the books.

[aravoth]

I spend half the time here returning the insults, the other half combating falsehoods... I have little time to go over this stupidity.When I do finally have time to talk, it's a different story...



Show me.....where.....deregulation....caused this mess.

Can you do that simple little task? Or are you going to spend all day justifying your stupidity?

[strapko]

http://ideas.repec.org/p/fip/fedawp/2005-24.html

I think the government should have ended the Tax Shields a LONG time ago. Ideally, the Federal Reserve should have been toast so many years ago...

That being said, from a purely rational approach to the problem, the reality of the situation is that the current method of lending by these giants caused this... this could have been prevented by regulating who they give the loans to, at least for the largest of these giants. More regulation is not a good thing, but in this case, it prevents the stupidity ballooning.

But the Federal Reserve was 'supposed' to bring economic stability, or at least what the government promised us; so obviously the government failed in regulating. Why would another system of regulation under the same control succeed? This Government failed too many times to protect its citizens.

[Kade]

Show me.....where.....deregulation....caused this mess.

Can you do that simple little task? Or are you going to spend all day justifying your stupidity?


http://hnn.us/articles/41986.html

This is my third attempt to answer you prickwaddle.

[Kade]

But the Federal Reserve was 'supposed' to bring economic stability, or at least what the government promised us; so obviously the government failed in regulating. Why would another system of regulation under the same control succeed? This Government failed too many times to protect its citizens.

The Federal Reserve is a bad thing. No argument from me here.

[Kade]

Who is going to offer another explanation for this?

My belief is that this is a massive economic bubble, caused by out of control lending because of ridiculously low interest rates.

The Federal Government should not be involved with the interest rates... but it is...sorry. That being said, the next thing is to discuss the situation as it is, not what you all wish it were.

TheDemocrats, but mostly Republicans gave these companies massive tax shields, which only encouraged them to continue to allow people to buy things that they could not afford.

This inevitably lead to a bubble that had no release point. Housing prices continued to skyrocket, and the entire market came down... fast. Banks default, larger banks cry for help, and in steps the Federal Government, armed with our money.

It pisses me off. I suggest not electing more morons.

[Kade]

Remember these?

http://web.archive.org/web/20051126044138/http://www.realtor.org/research.nsf/pages/anti-bubblereports

Lmfao. They tried to keep this thing going, as long as they could... This is what a fat juicy wad of cash will make you do.

Money does not make morality. Money does not make a personal or an organization ethical.

[Theocrat]

The economy is sinking like the Lusitania. Yes, Ron Paul prophesied most of this... but what was his solution?

It appears to me that the lack of regulation in these markets, especially housing markets, is going to cripple us...

This is the result of an extended Republican rule, why do some of you still support, even in mild defense, this Theocratic, fascist, party?

What are you complaining about? It's just nature running its course, survival of the fittest. That is what your religion teaches, right? Stop adding nurture (regulation) to nature (economy), and just let it evolve, you hypocrite.

[Kade]

What are you complaining about? It's just nature running its course, survival of the fittest. That is what your religion teaches, right? Stop adding nurture (regulation) to nature (economy), and just let it evolve, you hypocrite.

Nice, does your religion teach you to make low blows when a person is the middle of arguing and debating with irrational morons?

Nice try sniveler. I'm not going to turn this into a religion thread, and I can do that easily, by simply stating in the most clear and concise language, that the Non-belief of god is not a religion.

And as far as your religion, is this not a prime example of why I should be disgusted by it? Look how you act..

[aravoth]

http://hnn.us/articles/41986.html

This is my third attempt to answer you prickwaddle.

I said.....


DON'T FUCKING POST A GOD DAMN OP-ED PIECE YOU FUCKTARD.

Kade, post some real information not laced with buzz words or find another hobby you dipshit.

[Kade]

I said.....


DON'T FUCKING POST A GOD DAMN OP-ED PIECE YOU FUCKTARD.

Kade, post some real information not laced with buzz words or find another hobby you dipshit.

Why don't you tell me what you think caused it? I'm guessing you have real information that proves me wrong, so can I see it?

[LittleLightShining]

What I find interesting is your differing set of standards. On the one hand, it's ok for you to call people names if they call you names. However as soon as someone says something that makes sense but doesn't agree with your perspective they become irrational morons.

I think you're being irrational because you lost money this weekend and its easier to place blame on the Republicans than on yourself for an unsound investment.

Businesses wouldn't partake in unwise practices if they didn't have lots of investors. If people really put their money where their mouths are they wouldn't give their cash to businesses they fundamentally don't agree with just because they're making money.

You agree the problem is the FED but at the same time you want more regulation. You can't have it both ways. If this was a truly free market we wouldn't be seeing the problems we're seeing now because poorly run businesses would die a quick death as they should.

I know you're a smart guy, Kade. The last link you posted touts the Clintons and Obama and Chris DODD of all people as having the answers to our troubles. Well, they had their chance and it's come to this. Free your mind.

[Kade]

I said.....


DON'T FUCKING POST A GOD DAMN OP-ED PIECE YOU FUCKTARD.

Kade, post some real information not laced with buzz words or find another hobby you dipshit.

Oh, this book will help too, it's not an OP-ED, as you specified, a lot of research in it.

http://www.irrationalexuberance.com/

[aravoth]

Why don't you tell me what you think caused it? I'm guessing you have real information that proves me wrong, so can I see it?

No Kade, judging by the amount of bullshit threads you start on these forums you're obviously the fucking expert in this arena. I don't need to prove you wrong, you're the one making the assumption, back up your bullshit. If you can't post one thing, one solid, non-opinionated thing regarding your ridiculous claims that you constantly pollute these fucking boards with, then you'd be better off keeping your sewer shut.

[Kade]

I know you're a smart guy, Kade. The last link you posted touts the Clintons and Obama and Chris DODD of all people as having the answers to our troubles. Well, they had their chance and it's come to this. Free your mind.

There is way too much information to respond to for me... I try to find something that explains it better than I could.

Nobody here was correct, and nobody made good suggestions about the economy. They say I live in a fantasyland because I talk about what is actually going on in the world, not the imaginary land of anarchist markets.

My mind is more than free. I can sound and act like one of you, at will, or I can pretend to be one of the statist liberals on their forums. I can do and be whatever I want to learn more...

I've learned quite a bit from some of you here... but mostly I've learned that the other side has much higher caliber thinkers... that the old tradition of self-congratulatory ignorance and collectivist thought is so strong here, that one is even willing to throw out that I am actually the anti-individualist because I don't think like the rest do.

Sorry to burst the bubble. When I'm wrong, I admit it, when I'm not, you see this. Stubborn, and not because I'm arrogant, it is because most of you are wrong.

The Housing Bubble was caused by these things:

Tax Shields
Longterm Low Interest Rates
Speculation
The Dot Com Burst
Very Lax Lending Stanards
Businesses Ignoring Affordability Models.
Risky Mortgage Products and Services
A Cultural Belief That a House is a good Investment.

[Theocrat]

Nice, does your religion teach you to make low blows when a person is the middle of arguing and debating with irrational morons?

Nice try sniveler. I'm not going to turn this into a religion thread, and I can do that easily, by simply stating in the most clear and concise language, that the Non-belief of god is not a religion.

And as far as your religion, is this not a prime example of why I should be disgusted by it? Look how you act..

If you weren't such an asshole to people and were consistent in your own naturalistic views, maybe I would be a little more reserved in my judgments of your religious beliefs.

I just don't understand why you would regulate something which you believe is the result of "evolved animals" in the first place, and then turn around and complain about it, all the while arguing with those whom disagree with you. Shouldn't we leave nature alone, after all?

[Kade]

No Kade, judging by the amount of bullshit threads you start on these forums you're obviously the fucking expert in this arena. I don't need to prove you wrong, you're the one making the assumption, back up your bullshit. If you can't post one thing, one solid, non-opinionated thing regarding your ridiculous claims that you constantly pollute these fucking boards with, then you'd be better off keeping your sewer shut.

That's exactly what I suspected you would say. You don't know, so you are going to use a few RP Buzzwords to set the collective on fire.

Congratulations. You are a brand new RP FORUM HERO!!

I told you where to get the data. Ironic that you are using the free-thinkers proof positive debate tactic. Touche. I ought to give you credit for it, but I'm not concerned that you are actually going to be persuaded away from anything than being an insulting little shit.

You are right though, I ought to back up my claim with facts. But, in order for me to do that, you need to respond about that which you disagree.

If you told me what you think caused it, it would detail our separate analysis, and we could get more detailed.

I'd prefer you do this without insulting. It makes my responses quicker, and my life easier.

[Kade]

If you weren't such an asshole to people and were consistent in your own naturalistic views, maybe I would be a little more reserved in my judgments of your religious beliefs.

I just don't understand why you would regulate something which you believe is the result of "evolved animals" in the first place, and then turn around and complain about it, all the while arguing with those whom disagree with you. Shouldn't we leave nature alone, after all?

You have never been reserved, not since I first got here my friend. It took quite some work for you people to turn me into an asshole.

Your distinction is wholly inaccurate. You don't know what I believe about the world, nor have you even remotely pretended to understand what cultural evolution is, or human cognition.

[Kade]

Apparently, I'm not entirely alone in this thinking:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1683952#post1683952

[strapko]

The Federal Reserve is a bad thing. No argument from me here.

Thank you for proving my point.

The government made that program agree?

Did it work? No.

How many central banks have we had in American history before the fed?

3

What happened?

All ended with high inflation. That is government failing 3 times, on the same issue about to be the 4th.

The government cannot protect its people, when the elected politicians run on self-interest. You can dream of any governmental programs you want; based on human nature, it is just going to fail, because of corruption.

[aravoth]

That's exactly what I suspected you would say. You don't know, so you are going to use a few RP Buzzwords to set the collective on fire.

Congratulations. You are a brand new RP FORUM HERO!!

I told you where to get the data. Ironic that you are using the free-thinkers proof positive debate tactic. Touche. I ought to give you credit for it, but I'm not concerned that you are actually going to be persuaded away from anything than being an insulting little shit.

You are right though, I ought to back up my claim with facts. But, in order for me to do that, you need to respond about that which you disagree.

If you told me what you think caused it, it would detail our separate analysis, and we could get more detailed.

I'd prefer you do this without insulting. It makes my responses quicker, and my life easier.

Don't flip your bullshit around on me like I'm the one making stupid blanket statements and using buzzwords. I don't exist to make your life easier. So stop drawing this out as long as you can and prove your point.

I like you Kade, I always have, so don't take my frustration with your retarded philosophy as an insult. Merely as a conflict of ideas, you shitheaded crapsack.

So like I said, back up your bullshit.

[constituent]

Alright, let's clear the air, get some smooth dialog kicking


Who is going to offer another explanation for this?

My belief is that this is a massive economic bubble, caused by out of control lending because of ridiculously low interest rates.

Systematic, (intentionally) ridiculously low interest rates.

But yes, on this point I believe we all agree.




The Federal Government should not be involved with the interest rates... but it is...sorry.

You are right, they should not be. Interests rates should be left between lenders and borrowers. If the rate is too high, people won't borrow your money. If your business is lending, then of course, you will have to adjust if you're to continue making money. If your rate is too low, you'll soon find yourself sans cash to meet your own obligations.

That said, technically, the government isn't involved w/ setting the interests rates, that is (again technically) left to the PRIVATE BANKING CARTEL we call the federal reserve system.

So here we're 50/50.




That being said, the next thing is to discuss the situation as it is, not what you all wish it were.

Let's do.




TheDemocrats, but mostly Republicans gave these companies massive tax shields, which only encouraged them to continue to allow people to buy things that they could not afford.


One hand washes the other, imo.




This inevitably lead to a bubble that had no release point.


"the business cycle" leads to the bubble/burst phenomenon much more than "tax shields," so on this count we disagree.




Housing prices continued to skyrocket, and the entire market came down... fast.


A good thing, imo. The price of housing has become prohibitively high and driven myself and many others out of the market entirely. It's almost looking like a decent time to step back in, almost.




Banks default, larger banks cry for help, and in steps the Federal Government, armed with our money.


Sorta kinda, but I get what you're saying.




It pisses me off. I suggest not electing more morons.

As long as there are elections, there will be morons elected.

I think you and I disagree on this point, ok. Now, let's take these bits of difference w/ the bits of common ground, and advance the discussion.

[acptulsa]

I've learned quite a bit from some of you here... but mostly I've learned that the other side has much higher caliber thinkers... that the old tradition of self-congratulatory ignorance and collectivist thought is so strong here, that one is even willing to throw out that I am actually the anti-individualist because I don't think like the rest do.

Now if only some of those high caliber thinkers could think of a safe method of regulation of an industry that is all about the most attractive temptation of all--the only one which can secure all other temptations--money.

You must confess that the simplest (read most minimal) oversight is the easiest to keep tabs on and offers the fewest opportunities for abuse.

[LittleLightShining]

There is way too much information to respond to for me... I try to find something that explains it better than I could.

Nobody here was correct, and nobody made good suggestions about the economy. They say I live in a fantasyland because I talk about what is actually going on in the world, not the imaginary land of anarchist markets.

I don't think anyone here lives in "the imaginary land of anarchist markets." What I do think is that these folks have seen the present situation coming a long time ago and sounded the alarm.


My mind is more than free. I can sound and act like one of you, at will, or I can pretend to be one of the statist liberals on their forums. I can do and be whatever I want to learn more...

I've learned quite a bit from some of you here... but mostly I've learned that the other side has much higher caliber thinkers... that the old tradition of self-congratulatory ignorance and collectivist thought is so strong here, that one is even willing to throw out that I am someone the anti-individualist because I don't think like the rest do. I don't know if your statement about "the other side" is necessarily true. I think maybe you agree with them on many more issues than you agree with the folks here so your perception is different. I'm really curious about other forums you visit that are bastions of independent thought. I think that RPF is a place where many people agree not because they want to be like each other or don't have the cahones to disagree, rather we are here a community of likeminded (sometimes) individuals. When the majority of posters here don't agree with you it doesn't mean that they are settling into groupthink mode. I think they just genuinely agree.


Sorry to burst the bubble. When I'm wrong, I admit it, when I'm not, you see this. Stubborn, and not because I'm arrogant, it is because most of you are wrong. I don't know, Kade. I have seen some really strong points made that contradict your views that you have completely ignored. Maybe you come around in your thinking, but you're not known for admitting it.


The Housing Bubble was caused by these things:

Tax Shields Federal Gov't policy endorsed by both parties
Longterm Low Interest Rates Federal Reserve
Speculation Investor Stupidity
The Dot Com Burst See above
Very Lax Lending Stan(d)ards See above
Businesses Ignoring Affordability Models. See above
Risky Mortgage Products and Services See above
A Cultural Belief That a House is a good Investment. See above

The problem isn't a lack of regulation. You forgot to mention that Federal Government policies since the Depression have allowed to taxpayer to become the go-to guy. Why should any of these investment corporations hold themselves to a sustainable business model when they have us to bail them out.

People don't have any concept of being responsible for themselves anymore and that is the fault of the government-- first the Democrats and then the neo-con Republicans.

[Kludge]

Let the inefficient, unproductive, mistaken, and otherwise failing people and corporations die, less someone who respects or benefits from their life would like to save them with their own resources.

Those who are not mistaken but are in danger of having their recognized rights violated (nature cannot violate laws...) should be protected, by force if necessary.


With that in mind, the Housing Bubble should be allowed to correct itself, taking all it requires with it.

[constituent]

Let the inefficient, unproductive, mistaken, and otherwise failing people and corporations die, less someone who respects or benefits from their life would like to save them.

Those who are not mistaken but are in danger of having their recognized rights violated (nature cannot violate laws...) should be protected, by force if necessary.


With that in mind, the Housing Bubble should be allowed to correct itself, taking all it requires with it.

+1

[acptulsa]

The problem isn't a lack of regulation. You forgot to mention that Federal Government policies since the Depression have allowed to taxpayer to become the go-to guy. Why should any of these investment corporations hold themselves to a sustainable business model when they have us to bail them out.

People don't have any concept of being responsible for themselves anymore and that is the fault of the government-- first the Democrats and then the neo-con Republicans.

Well said! And wouldn't it all be so sweet and comfortable--if only it were compatable with liberty? Yet liberty is rude enough to demand personal responsibility, damn the luck!

[RonPaulR3VOLUTION]

Answered:

“It is time for the federal government to get out of the housing business.” --Ron Paul

~~~

"A free market means no bailouts, Federal Reserve, fiat currency, subsidies, and protection. This is how socialism is working out for America.
Those looking to blame the free market are finding one in name only."

~~~

"EXACTLY. The whole idea of a free market is that companies are free to take risks and conduct business as they see fit, but they must deal with the consequences if they screw up. An analogy:

Would I spend my life savings on lottery tickets? Hell no, because the chances of bankrupting myself are far higher than the chances of coming out ahead.

But what if I could keep all the winnings and have a guarantee from the government that I would be compensated for any losses, making it a risk-free endeavor? Hell, I'd empty my savings, max out my credit cards, go after every loan I could find, and put every penny into lottery tickets. Then I'd collect my winnings and do it again!

That's basically what's been happening with the banking system. It works great until the lottery inevitably runs out of funds to pay for the winning tickets (i.e., houses decline in value and people default on their mortgages), and/or the government runs out of funds to pay for the losses. Then things get really unpleasant."

~~~

"Me too. I am tired of the government and the quasi-government agencies screwing up and everyone blaming the mythical free market for it.
Place the blame where it belongs: Reckless government spending, endless wars, artificially low interest rate, loose credit etc."

~~~

“The collapse of the housing market has served as a catalyst for the economy's latest bust. Various federal mortgage programs through the FHA, Fannie Mae, and Freddie Mac have distorted the normal workings of the housing market.
“The Federal Reserve's loose monetary policy and lowering of interest rates were a major spur to the housing boom. Low interest rates influence marginal buyers, those who are sitting on the fence, and encourage them to take on a mortgage that they otherwise would not.
“It is time for the federal government to get out of the housing business.” --Ron Paul

[strapko]

Defeated?

[Kade]

Let the inefficient, unproductive, mistaken, and otherwise failing people and corporations die, less someone who respects or benefits from their life would like to save them with their own resources.

Those who are not mistaken but are in danger of having their recognized rights violated (nature cannot violate laws...) should be protected, by force if necessary.


With that in mind, the Housing Bubble should be allowed to correct itself, taking all it requires with it.

Agreed.

[Kade]

Defeated?

No. I stand by what I said.

If these markets were allowed to bleed sooner, we wouldn't have a crisis that could potentially take the rest of the economy with it.

[strapko]

No. I stand by what I said.

If these markets were allowed to bleed sooner, we wouldn't have a crisis that could potentially take the rest of the economy with it.

Yep, but government intervention prevented that. Defeated?

[Deborah K]

Yep, but government intervention prevented that. Defeated?

No it hasn't, it's just delaying the inevitable.

[strapko]

No it hasn't, it's just delaying the inevitable.

Sigh; the inevitable yes; preventing them from bleeding sooner was government intervention.

[Bruno]

Sigh; the inevitable yes; preventing them from bleeding sooner was government intervention.

nail in the coffin

[tmosley]

Yep, but government intervention prevented that. Defeated?

Ideally, when two people come into an argument with different opinions, and leave with the same opinion in a congenial manner, I would call it a victory for both. Far more so that simply proving someone wrong and having him grovel.

That said, I don't think you've really convinced him.

Kade's argument seems to be that, without dismantling the current Federal Reserve system, the current crisis could have been avoided by more severe lending standards. That is probably true, just like a fiat currency can work in theory. This is beside the fact that fiat currencies never work, simply because no regulations regime can overcome human nature (or at least, none that has been tried).

Regulation at this point is little more than rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic, and the bailouts would have a similar effect on the storied ship.

I wonder if I'm the only one on the forums that likes Kade. He makes a good devil's advocate. He probably shouldn't run screaming into the masses of Paulistas here screaming that kind of stuff if he expects a good debate, rather than a one sided type-off.

[anaconda]

I don't think the lack of regulation is the problem. The problem is The Congress stealing our money to bail businesses out. In the current case the banks. And arguably fractional reserve banking. Keep in mind that this financial disaster is a loss of only paper wealth and that many consumers did great in this...specifically those who sold their homes at nice prices to someone who got a flaky loan. The free markets should create profit opportunities for banks that are safer and more responsible and will advertise this to attract investors. Why should this be any different from investing in stocks? Maybe we should all just invest in stocks of our choosing and just keep a small amount of money in the bank to pay bills with.

[Kade]

Yep, but government intervention prevented that. Defeated?

Not at all strapon, I stand by what I said. You are reaching back into the distant past to make believe that the government was never involved, but sadly you are wrong.

The government has been involved for a long time. If it is involved, and must be involved, by proxy of the prevailing stupidity in charge, then it should have reacted to this bubble sooner.

I'm not moving.

[Kade]

Ideally, when two people come into an argument with different opinions, and leave with the same opinion in a congenial manner, I would call it a victory for both. Far more so that simply proving someone wrong and having him grovel.

That said, I don't think you've really convinced him.

Kade's argument seems to be that, without dismantling the current Federal Reserve system, the current crisis could have been avoided by more severe lending standards. That is probably true, just like a fiat currency can work in theory. This is beside the fact that fiat currencies never work, simply because no regulations regime can overcome human nature (or at least, none that has been tried).

Regulation at this point is little more than rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic, and the bailouts would have a similar effect on the storied ship.

I wonder if I'm the only one on the forums that likes Kade. He makes a good devil's advocate. He probably shouldn't run screaming into the masses of Paulistas here screaming that kind of stuff if he expects a good debate, rather than a one sided type-off.

That was my argument.

[LittleLightShining]

I wonder if I'm the only one on the forums that likes Kade. He makes a good devil's advocate. He probably shouldn't run screaming into the masses of Paulistas here screaming that kind of stuff if he expects a good debate, rather than a one sided type-off.
No, I like Kade, too. We disagree on some things and agree on others. I appreciate his perspective even where we disagree.

[Natalie]

go suck the obama kool aid some more

rofl.

[strapko]

Not at all strapon, I stand by what I said. You are reaching back into the distant past to make believe that the government was never involved, but sadly you are wrong.

The government has been involved for a long time. If it is involved, and must be involved, by proxy of the prevailing stupidity in charge, then it should have reacted to this bubble sooner.

I'm not moving.

I was never trying the prove the government was never involved lol. I was just trying to show that government regulation has failed; in your system, you blame the people in charge; in my system there would be nobody in charge. The fact of the matter is you are relying on everyone that is elected to be Ron Paul's, the truth is that the majority are corrupted or get corrupted in the process; in this case by partnership with banking interests.

[Andrew Ryan]

strapon
lol.

[Conza88]

I love it how Kade just totally ignores / waits for shit to be buried before never addressing it again. i.e said convo with Avaroth

Good on ya mate. :rolleyes:

Edit:


http://ideas.repec.org/p/fip/fedawp/2005-24.html

Wrong about what Conza?

Cooking the books.

Good on ya, the retarded, willful, blindless ignorance continues.

No, not cooking the books - you fucken idiot. Talk about erecting a strawman / trying to delude the subject.

Click the fucken link; you pussy.


#32 (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1683606&postcount=32)

Can I also ask, "What have you done for the movement Kade?" You're apart of a meetup group? Done anything remotely worthy? :confused:

[acptulsa]

Damn it all!!

[RJB]

I think Kade finds flattery when his inane threads get enough attention to have 100+ posts in just a few hours. I've never been able to do that...:rolleyes:

[aravoth]

Ok, I'm back from work, Kade? Is your sorry ass still on here?

[Anti Federalist]

pmub

[aravoth]

pmub

I miss kade

[YumYum]

I miss kade

What happened to him?

[Anti Federalist]

I miss kade

I go through some of these old threads, I find a lot of people I miss.

Kade still lurking or did he give up?

[LittleLightShining]

I miss kade

I do, too. I always had a soft spot for the guy.

This is just classic-- 2 of my all time favorite posters...http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1683554&postcount=11

[Anti Federalist]

What happened to him?

Got tired of tilting at windmills I suppose.

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Private Message: Hi.

10-24-2008, 12:59 PM

Kade
A Robe of Envenomed Agony


Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 5,391


I admire you.

The torch is pretty much passed on... you may be one of the rational people left on the boards now.
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10-24-2008, 01:23 PM


You are kind to say so.

Bu-u-ut, don't go! So many dragons to slay, and so little power. I am trying to understand whether all this pie-in-the-sky purism is attributable more to an excess of ideology or a shortage of experience.

Everyone on three...We Denounce Collectives!


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I hope I do not offend his sense of privacy. But if he would not return, the next best thing is to learn where he went.

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Howard Beale:


I don't have to tell you things are bad. Everybody knows things are bad. It's a depression. Everybody's out of work or scared of losing their job. The dollar buys a nickel's worth; banks are going bust; shopkeepers keep a gun under the counter; punks are running wild in the street, and there's nobody anywhere who seems to know what to do, and there's no end to it.

We know the air is unfit to breathe and our food is unfit to eat. And we sit watching our TVs while some local newscaster tells us that today we had fifteen homicides and sixty-three violent crimes, as if that's the way it's supposed to be!

We all know things are bad -- worse than bad -- they're crazy.

It's like everything everywhere is going crazy, so we don't go out any more. We sit in the house, and slowly the world we're living in is getting smaller, and all we say is, "Please, at least leave us alone in our living rooms. Let me have my toaster and my TV and my steel-belted radials, and I won't say anything. Just leave us alone."

Well, I'm not going to leave you alone.

I want you to get mad!

I don't want you to protest. I don't want you to riot. I don't want you to write to your Congressman, because I wouldn't know what to tell you to write. I don't know what to do about the depression and the inflation and the Russians and the crime in the street.

All I know is that first, you've got to get mad.

You've gotta say, "I'm a human being, goddammit! My life has value!"

So, I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window, open it, and stick your head out and yell,

"I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!!"