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Lovecraftian4Paul
09-14-2008, 06:16 PM
Just read this on IPR and thought I would pass it along. The Barr situation isn't getting any better unless this apology measures comes through, though I feel like even that won't mean much unless the apology comes from Barr himself.

http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/lnc-efforts-to-address-snubgate-in-a-deadlock/


LNC efforts to address ‘Snubgate’ in a deadlock
September 14th, 2008

An inside source says that the grassroots effort to replace Bob Barr as the Libertarian Party’s presidential nominee, in response to “Snubgate,” has been rejected by the LNC, with not a single person on the 17-member body willing to make the motion.

Instead, LNC at-large rep Mary Ruwart supports a resolution to “apologize” to Ron Paul. The “pro-Barr faction,” led by Treasurer Aaron Starr, favors a resolution “chastising” Ron Paul — presumably for not endorsing Bob Barr and “splitting the Freedom Movement.”

Neither resolution is said to have enough votes to pass.

PatriotOne
09-14-2008, 06:21 PM
Huh? An apology? Okee dokey. The LP has just lost any respect I afforded them. Gutless wonders.

Micah Dardar
09-14-2008, 06:22 PM
Oh well. While they bicker over Bob Barr, we will be building the bridges of the future.

RPTXState
09-14-2008, 06:28 PM
:facepalm:

P.S. can we get a facepalm smilie?

Truth Warrior
09-14-2008, 06:29 PM
Who cares what GOP-lite says or does? :p :rolleyes:

Knightskye
09-14-2008, 06:32 PM
I also support an apology resolution.

Bradley in DC (that's his name, right?) made a thread with one.

torchbearer
09-14-2008, 06:33 PM
Huh? An apology? Okee dokey. The LP has just lost any respect I afforded them. Gutless wonders.

I ask that you direct the anger at the retards on that committee who wanted to chastise.
There are LPers who support and love ron paul.
We shouldn't burn bridges, we should be building them.

We are doing this in louisiana.

Kotin
09-14-2008, 06:33 PM
Who cares what GOP-lite says or does? :p :rolleyes:

completely agree.

amy31416
09-14-2008, 06:34 PM
Who cares what GOP-lite says or does? :p :rolleyes:

Yeah, gotta say that I agree with you on that. Had to find out the hard way that they seem to be the retarded little brother of the GOP.

Dammit.

constituent
09-14-2008, 06:36 PM
Yeah, gotta say that I agree with you on that. Had to find out the hard way that they seem to be the retarded little brother of the GOP.


You must have missed the 2004 convention coverage on c-span.

torchbearer
09-14-2008, 06:40 PM
You must have missed the 2004 convention coverage on c-span.

2004 was the opposite of 2008.
As in, in 2004 a no name, extreme libertarian won the nomination by having great answers in the debate.
In 2008, a named GOP-lite won the nomination because he had name recognition.

2008 was a backlash for 2004.

amy31416
09-14-2008, 06:48 PM
You must have missed the 2004 convention coverage on c-span.

Indeed I did.

constituent
09-14-2008, 06:52 PM
Indeed I did.

It was rich. I sat there thinking, these people really think they need to rule the world (never mind the putrescence of their smug "superiority")? Used to have it recorded on VHS, my wife and I would get bored and fast forward to certain parts and just laugh and laugh and laugh.

LittleLightShining
09-14-2008, 06:54 PM
Yeah, gotta say that I agree with you on that. Had to find out the hard way that they seem to be the retarded little brother of the GOP.

Dammit.Hahaha! :D

Awwww....:(

amy31416
09-14-2008, 06:55 PM
It was rich. I sat there thinking, these people really think they need to rule the world (never mind the putrescence of their smug "superiority")? Used to have it recorded on VHS, my wife and I would get bored and fast forward to certain parts and just laugh and laugh and laugh.

Well, on a slow day, if I ever decide to give the LP another chance, I'll have to search for it.

amy31416
09-14-2008, 06:56 PM
Hahaha! :D

Awwww....:(

My sentiments exactly. :(

PatriotOne
09-14-2008, 06:57 PM
I ask that you direct the anger at the retards on that committee who wanted to chastise.
There are LPers who support and love ron paul.
We shouldn't burn bridges, we should be building them.

We are doing this in louisiana.

Noted and I stand guilty of posting laziness. I did mean the LP Leadership, not their whole membership. Thanks for pointing out my error.

Knightskye
09-14-2008, 06:57 PM
Indeed I did.

Here's Ron Paul at the 2004 LNC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lOsQnHPcIU

It's about a minute-long, but still Paul. :)

DeadheadForPaul
09-14-2008, 06:58 PM
I'd say a different party is the retarded little brother of the GOP...

PS: Barr was chosen because we chose a no-name in 2004. I agreed with the choice of Barr for name recognition purposes

amy31416
09-14-2008, 07:00 PM
Here's Ron Paul at the 2004 LNC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lOsQnHPcIU

It's about a minute-long, but still Paul. :)

Thanks!

Knightskye
09-14-2008, 07:00 PM
I'd say a different party is the retarded little brother of the GOP...

PS: Barr was chosen because we chose a no-name in 2004. I agreed with the choice of Barr for name recognition purposes

Seriously, and even if Barr doesn't win, he can still get enough votes that the Libertarian Party is entitled to money in 2012. They can actually be competitive.

But everyone misses the forest for the trees, and suggests tar-and-feathering Barr, and then voting for Baldwin.

torchbearer
09-14-2008, 07:04 PM
I'd say a different party is the retarded little brother of the GOP...

PS: Barr was chosen because we chose a no-name in 2004. I agreed with the choice of Barr for name recognition purposes

That is what I was saying in Post 11.
People who don't know the history don't understand.
2004's pick led to the inverse 2008 pick.

torchbearer
09-14-2008, 07:04 PM
Seriously, and even if Barr doesn't win, he can still get enough votes that the Libertarian Party is entitled to money in 2012. They can actually be competitive.

But everyone misses the forest for the trees, and suggests tar-and-feathering Barr, and then voting for Baldwin.

I don't see the LP taking government money to run their party. That would be a bit hypocritical.

SLSteven
09-14-2008, 07:07 PM
Good Luck to Barr and the Libertarian Party. The more votes the better. I don't understand his actions...but if he can somehow steal support from the duopoly I am all for it.

Knightskye
09-14-2008, 07:08 PM
I don't see the LP taking government money to run their party. That would be a bit hypocritical.

Like Ron Paul taking FEMA money to help his district?

nate895
09-14-2008, 07:11 PM
I don't see the LP taking government money to run their party. That would be a bit hypocritical.

Use the corrupt system if you can take advantage of it.

torchbearer
09-14-2008, 07:11 PM
Like Ron Paul taking FEMA money to help his district?

Yeh. you got a point. The LP could say they've already paid that money in... but it won't look good politically.

RedLightning
09-14-2008, 07:13 PM
Yeh. you got a point. The LP could say they've already paid that money in... but it won't look good politically.

I agree, however it would give them better ballot access in future runs.

nate895
09-14-2008, 07:16 PM
I agree, however it would give them better ballot access in future runs.

They will have automatic ballot access in my state if they get 5%. My state is an easier state to get on, but any little bit helps.

constituent
09-14-2008, 07:18 PM
I agree, however it would give them better ballot access in future runs.

hey, you know what they say, "if the ends justify the means..."

BarryDonegan
09-14-2008, 07:41 PM
those of you who blame entire political parties, for the actions of one person in the party, who had a snafu at a campaign event, you don't understand political parties very well, and could use some research.

Ron Paul is working for reform in the Republican Party, obviously differing viewpoints battle it out in a party.

Rangeley
09-14-2008, 07:56 PM
At this point, I don't really care about an apology. I would just like to see the people in the party who have a "your either with the us or against us!" attitude stop being so stupid.

Knightskye
09-14-2008, 07:56 PM
Yeh. you got a point. The LP could say they've already paid that money in... but it won't look good politically.

Well yeah, Ron Paul's earmarks don't look good politically, but we still respect him.

libertarian4321
09-15-2008, 01:03 AM
Seriously, and even if Barr doesn't win, he can still get enough votes that the Libertarian Party is entitled to money in 2012. They can actually be competitive.

But everyone misses the forest for the trees, and suggests tar-and-feathering Barr, and then voting for Baldwin.

The LP won't take Federal funds, even if they do qualify for them- its a matter of principal.

BTW, LP Presidential candidates in the past have qualified for some Federal money- they have never accepted it.

Speaking of Barr- I really don't think I can vote for this guy after his shenanigans last week. I won't vote for McCain, and don't want to vote for Obama. Baldwin is too much a theocrat for me (and not on the ballot anyway).

Who's left? Nader? lol

We need a "NOTA" option this year like never before.

I'm at the point now where I'll likely just not vote at all for President.

TER
09-15-2008, 01:09 AM
An apology would springboard Barr's campaign. (That, and they would need to get Bob Barr off the ticket)

anaconda
09-15-2008, 01:29 AM
There are LPers who support and love ron paul.
We shouldn't burn bridges, we should be building them.


Great comment. We want and need the registered Libertarians on our side. Actually, a lot of the Revolution must be registered Libertarians, or, at least were before we switched to Republican to vote for RP in the primaries.

Scotso
09-15-2008, 04:20 AM
You go, Mary! They should *definitely* apologize.

If the LNC passes a resolution "chastising" Ron Paul, it will probably be the death of the party. If they do that, I'll immediately cancel my membership.

Pete
09-15-2008, 06:42 AM
Barr's campaign made a calculated move to co-opt the entire Liberty movement for itself, and failed. I'm not sure whether the problem is Barr or his campaign manager, but I'm sure we can all agree that trying to upstage Ron was a giant boner. Probably most LP members are as upset as Ron Paul supporters, so let's not attack each other.

Barr will not be President in 2009, and neither will Baldwin, so a vote for one of them is in essence a vote for their parties, in order to improve ballot access for future elections. If I could vote for both, I would. Seeing as I can't, I think it's going to be the LP for me because as much as I admire Baldwin, his party has an unconstitutional platform, and I'm saying this as a Christian.

We have lots to hope for, but not so much in this presidential election. The best thing we can do, IMO, is to strike at the two-party system to let them know that they have the People to answer to.

itshappening
09-15-2008, 07:55 AM
they're split because a lot of them dont want the LP to share any platform with socialists like Nader et al

constituent
09-15-2008, 08:05 AM
they're split because a lot of them dont want the LP to share any platform with socialists like Nader et al

lol, but war cheerleaders are more than welcome.

what a joke the LP is.

http://bp3.blogger.com/_SbqLWX6CpYA/Ru3d-5jNxsI/AAAAAAAAAS8/2yrfBFpLy0U/s400/dondero_stud.jpg

obsolescence
09-15-2008, 08:16 AM
Mary Ruwart should have been the LP candidate.

torchbearer
09-15-2008, 08:20 AM
Mary Ruwart should have been the LP candidate.

Had I not been a state delegate for ron paul, i would have been a national delegate for ruwart.
I couldn't attend both convention.

GTMomma
09-15-2008, 08:24 AM
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Speaking of Barr- I really don't think I can vote for this guy after his shenanigans last week. I won't vote for McCain, and don't want to vote for Obama. Baldwin is too much a theocrat for me (and not on the ballot anyway).

Who's left? Nader? lol

We need a "NOTA" option this year like never before.

I'm at the point now where I'll likely just not vote at all for President.

I'm right there with you. I had finally convinced myself that I could vote for Barr, then this crap happened last week. :mad:

I might as well just close my eyes and blindly point to a name on the ballot.

rockandrollsouls
09-15-2008, 08:40 AM
Just read this on IPR and thought I would pass it along. The Barr situation isn't getting any better unless this apology measures comes through, though I feel like even that won't mean much unless the apology comes from Barr himself.

http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2008/09/lnc-efforts-to-address-snubgate-in-a-deadlock/

Told you it wouldn't pass. So, I guess all 17 members are neocons then :D