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parke
09-13-2008, 11:21 PM
Whats sucks is being more scared of Obama than McCain. If Obama wins Im going to go fucking crazy. I do not trust him at all. He is inexperienced and socialist. Not that McCain is better but at least he has served our country. I hate this shit.

Im going to stay with Pauls plan and vote third party. It pisses me off I cant vote for him.

If Ron Paul would have just went third party he could have had a much bigger impact. He should have listened to his own plan and been the man bringing these parties together. Ill take Paul/Nader. With these two obama or mccain at the head it enough to make someone want to puke.

'Well you see, if I told you I was going to run third party you would have silenced me from the debates.' Imagine saying that on national tv over and over again. Silencing the message that has ignited a political movement.

DAMMMMMMMMMMIT

Jeremy
09-13-2008, 11:23 PM
Don't worry about it for now. Until 2011, we don't need to think about POTUS. Let's work on congress. http://lawsonlibertyfund.com/

Conza88
09-13-2008, 11:30 PM
Whats sucks is being more scared of Obama than McCain. If Obama wins Im going to go fucking crazy. I do not trust him at all. He is inexperienced and socialist. Not that McCain is better but at least he has served our country. I hate this shit.

Ummmmmm... you don't need experience - to follow the Constitution...

A pre-schooler who can't read or write could do a better job than any of these candidates. Period. End of story.

As for McCain serving the country? As, fucken, if. Served what, the Empire? :rolleyes:

Micah Dardar
09-13-2008, 11:37 PM
We need to think of our own lives. McCain will have a Russian nuke up our ass before too long. You should be more scared of that.

Standing Like A Rock
09-13-2008, 11:39 PM
If barrak is elected, all i can hope for is that he turns out to be the scumbag i think he is and does not follow through with anything he said he would do.

Grimnir Wotansvolk
09-13-2008, 11:41 PM
Whats sucks is being more scared of Obama than McCain. If Obama wins Im going to go fucking crazy. I do not trust him at all. He is inexperienced and socialist. Not that McCain is better but at least he has served our country. I hate this shit.That's absurd. McCain hasn't served America any more than Ghengis Khan served Mongolia.

What we're looking at is a battle between Christian warhawks (McCain), who are sickeningly gung-ho with human lives, and will happily charge head first into WWIII; versus more elitist, eastern pragmatists with an eye for strategy. Far from perfect, but an Obama presidency would cut a lot of losses that a McCain administration would heap on us in a heartbeat.

yoshimaroka
09-13-2008, 11:58 PM
Ummmmmm... you don't need experience - to follow the Constitution...

Exactly.

Everyday people should be able to run for President. It's your advisors who are most important and following the Constitution.


McCain/Palin and Obama/Biden are basically figureheads.

Jamsie 567
09-14-2008, 12:02 AM
http://www.chuckbaldwinforums.com

it's not to late get involved like we did here...

parke
09-14-2008, 12:30 AM
Ummmmmm... you don't need experience - to follow the Constitution...

A pre-schooler who can't read or write could do a better job than any of these candidates. Period. End of story.

As for McCain serving the country? As, fucken, if. Served what, the Empire? :rolleyes:

Im glad you feel real cozy. McCain suffered some insanity serving the empire for sure. Im not comfortable with a 'kid' in the white house with some crazy reverend and America dissing wife. I just dont trust him. He's to liberal. WAY TO LIBERAL.

Regardless, Im supporting someone third party. And Im pissed at Paul for not running.

'When you asked about whether I would run third party I knew. [insert typical honest response]' RON PAUL

It would have been the only issue he has flip flopped on in his life. I think I cant take that over Obama's stance on the war...

rational thinker
09-14-2008, 12:38 AM
Not that it's saying much, but Obama is a way BETTER pick than McCain anyday.

Highland
09-14-2008, 12:39 AM
Regardless, Im supporting someone third party. And Im pissed at Paul for not running.

'When you asked about whether I would run third party I knew. [insert typical honest response]' RON PAUL

It would have been the only issue he has flip flopped on in his life. I think I cant take that over Obama's stance on the war...

Give the guy a break...he is like 72...his wife just got off a ventilator...he is now a massive personality and has to be careful not only for his reputation, but for ours too.......

He does not want to be President...he even admitted that he would have never run but....

so anyway, don't be mad at him..he does not need that type of negativity...he was meant to be the father of a new political movement. His ideas will be carried by us...by you....

so anyway good luck carrying such an awesome responsibility!

SeanEdwards
09-14-2008, 12:48 AM
You should relax. Nothing drastic is going to happen as a result of this election. It's going to be a case of meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Conza88
09-14-2008, 01:08 AM
Im glad you feel real cozy. McCain suffered some insanity serving the empire for sure. Im not comfortable with a 'kid' in the white house with some crazy reverend and America dissing wife. I just dont trust him. He's to liberal. WAY TO LIBERAL.

Regardless, Im supporting someone third party. And Im pissed at Paul for not running.

'When you asked about whether I would run third party I knew. ' RON PAUL

It would have been the only issue he has flip flopped on in his life. I think I cant take that over Obama's stance on the war...

Feel cozy? Ahh.... what? :confused: -> :rolleyes:

You missed my whole point... which doesn't surprise me...

Just for claritys sake I'll simplify it for you:

"No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session." – Mark Twain

A kid will do more to safeguard your liberty than anyone you think has "experience". Seriously, wake the ---- up. What don't you understand? The kid is going to want to play with cars and toys... obviously, he won't be implementing any policy etc.... he'll LEAVE PEOPLE THE ____ ALONE. Alright? Get it yet? :rolleyes:


Not that it's saying much, but Obama is a way BETTER pick than McCain anyday.

And under what [I]"rationale" brought you to that conclusion. :rolleyes:

Andrew-Austin
09-14-2008, 01:13 AM
I view McCain as much more likely to invade Iran and reinstate the draft, and therefor the greater threat.

pacelli
09-14-2008, 01:19 AM
that's absurd. Mccain hasn't served america any more than ghengis khan served mongolia.


:D

pacelli
09-14-2008, 01:21 AM
I view McCain as much more likely to invade Iran and reinstate the draft, and therefor the greater threat.

Okay, so Obama begins a 'voluntary conscription' into the domestic civil defense force. You get a draft either way, no matter what label you put on it =)

jcarcinogen
09-14-2008, 01:28 AM
I think with Ohio,FL,and Indiana being close states that may go McCain with all of the 'drilling drivel' and 'saber rattling', we could see McCain win by the electoral college but not the popular vote like we did in 2000.

Its clear that the powers that be believe we need a clear enemy or a war to turn the way the economy is going or to benefit the military-industrial complex at the least. It is by design and not Bush's... the anti missile shield in Poland and the South Ossetia is part of a strategy. A strategy that could lead to war but with the NATO trump card nuclear war could start. Very dangerous but I think both McCain and Obama will continue this policy.

Andrew-Austin
09-14-2008, 01:31 AM
Okay, so Obama begins a 'voluntary conscription' into the domestic civil defense force. You get a draft either way, no matter what label you put on it =)

What the fuck is voluntary conscription supposed to mean.. This Looney Toon Obama and his doublespeak.. :rolleyes:

jcarcinogen
09-14-2008, 01:32 AM
Okay, so Obama begins a 'voluntary conscription' into the domestic civil defense force. You get a draft either way, no matter what label you put on it =)

Isn't that what Hitler's Youth was?

Malakai
09-14-2008, 01:42 AM
Im glad you feel real cozy. McCain suffered some insanity serving the empire for sure. Im not comfortable with a 'kid' in the white house with some crazy reverend and America dissing wife. I just dont trust him. He's to liberal. WAY TO LIBERAL.

Regardless, Im supporting someone third party. And Im pissed at Paul for not running.

'When you asked about whether I would run third party I knew. [insert typical honest response]' RON PAUL

It would have been the only issue he has flip flopped on in his life. I think I cant take that over Obama's stance on the war...

If you look past all the media propaganda Rev Wright talks a lot like we do about the american empire ect, and sounds exactly like MLK Jr used too.

I actually listened to one of Wrights speeches once beginning to end and was surprised at the content!

I felt the same way about everything I've read from Putin so far as well. =) I guess it could all be propaganda but he seems like a really reasonable smart guy /offtopic

parke
09-14-2008, 10:52 AM
It is frustrating.. Paul has the only real solutions to our problems. I guess Im more pissed that we dont have more choices.. not so much he isnt running. There is nobody that I can enthusiastically endorse and it sucks.

Who really believes the govt can keep this bank charade up for much longer?

SLSteven
09-14-2008, 10:57 AM
Ummmmmm... you don't need experience - to follow the Constitution...



Perhaps we need people with a little less experience in lying, deceiving, pandering, growing government and ignoring the constitution.

dirknb@hotmail.com
09-14-2008, 10:59 AM
Obama and McCain are both puppets of the same masters. It's completely irrelevant which one wins, either one will just do what he's told to do anyway.

constituent
09-14-2008, 11:14 AM
If you look past all the media propaganda Rev Wright talks a lot like we do about the american empire ect, and sounds exactly like MLK Jr used too.

I actually listened to one of Wrights speeches once beginning to end and was surprised at the content!



+1

wright ftw.

Micah Dardar
09-14-2008, 11:28 AM
Perhaps we need people with a little less experience in lying, deceiving, pandering, growing government and ignoring the constitution.

I think that less experience would be better. We should vote for someone that represents the average joe citizen.

StateofTrance
09-14-2008, 11:42 AM
Are you kidding me, OP?

Obama is far better than McShame. Ok, the word "far" is a stretch, but you get the point.

MoneyWhereMyMouthIs2
09-14-2008, 12:03 PM
If barrak is elected, all i can hope for is that he turns out to be the scumbag i think he is and does not follow through with anything he said he would do.

I agree.


You should relax. Nothing drastic is going to happen as a result of this election. It's going to be a case of meet the new boss, same as the old boss.


I would call a continuation in the same direction "drastic." The last 8 years have been a disaster. I seriously wonder if we'll still have a country in 10 years. You wouldn't catch me endorsing either of these people publically or privately.

nullvalu
09-14-2008, 01:19 PM
evil of two lessers

neither are better, stop being ridiculous

Highland
09-14-2008, 01:25 PM
It is frustrating.. Paul has the only real solutions to our problems. I guess Im more pissed that we dont have more choices.. not so much he isnt running. There is nobody that I can enthusiastically endorse and it sucks.

Who really believes the govt can keep this bank charade up for much longer?

I feel the same way.....just trying to light other's candles and eventually we will be understood.

DAFTEK
09-14-2008, 01:52 PM
If you look past all the media propaganda Rev Wright talks a lot like we do about the american empire ect, and sounds exactly like MLK Jr used too.


I actually listened to one of Wrights speeches once beginning to end and was surprised at the content!

I felt the same way about everything I've read from Putin so far as well. =) I guess it could all be propaganda but he seems like a really reasonable smart guy /offtopic

+1:cool:

tonyTheBest
09-14-2008, 02:15 PM
I view McCain as much more likely to invade Iran and reinstate the draft, and therefor the greater threat.

You forget that McCain was the lone wolf in opposing Ron Reagon's Lebanon invasion.

He was not always for war. It was just the nature of getting the nomination from the Republicans.

Conza88
09-14-2008, 07:03 PM
Perhaps we need people with a little less experience in lying, deceiving, pandering, growing government and ignoring the constitution.

No such thing with these candidates. Stop trying to find justifications for a fucked up conclusion.

Vote Waterman 2028
09-14-2008, 07:11 PM
I myself am voting third party. The reason being is that in reality the electoral college chooses the president. Even with a small majority lead it can still go the other way as history has shown us. At least my vote will send some kind of a message.

If your thinking obama, you should research obama and brzezinksi and there foreign policy ideas.... then you might change your mind. Obama is not as "new" as you might think. He has many old foreign policy and cfr members that help him make his policy decisions. Either way you vote your getting the same thing just about.