I don't like Religion in political parties

[erika]

There's something about religion that it just seems so collectivist and statist in political parties. It's the one big problem I have with the constitution party. I'm willing to look past it for now though. How many people actually go to church?


We must be heathens out here in California.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

There's something about religion that it just seems so collectivist and statist in political parties. It's the one big problem I have with the constitution party. I'm willing to look past it for now though.

CP supports banning pornography. That's a deal breaker

[erika]

CP supports banning pornography. That's a deal breaker

Porn is a trickey subject. It shouldn't be banned but I wouldn't want my children looking at it online until they are of legal age. Youtube seems to have more and more porn.

[revolutionary8]

erika,
I am all for Religion in political parties, as it is the Creator that gives us our rights. If the Government is given the roll of "the Creator", then the government can take them away.
A belief in a higher power is not any sort of "Religion", it is spirituality. Fine by me if there are those out there who wish to place believing in a Higher Power in to a certain religious category, but regardless, the limitations w/in our language muddy the waters. And of course, those limitations w/in our languages was an inside job.

You aren't fooling any one erika.

[Dorfsmith]

A truly free society will keep porn legal. That is my biggest problem with the CP too.

[misericordia]

less politics, more porn, good for biz, better for the status quo.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Porn is a trickey subject. It shouldn't be banned but I wouldn't want my children looking at it online until they are of legal age. Youtube seems to have more and more porn.

Then don't let YOUR children watch it ;)

[Dorfsmith]

Then don't let YOUR children watch it ;)

LOL, that was my next thought. I couldn't agree more. :D

[erika]

erika,
I am all for Religion in political parties, as it is the Creator that gives us our rights. If the Government is given the roll of "the Creator", then the government can take them away.
A belief in a higher power is not any sort of "Religion", it is spirituality.

You aren't fooling any one erika.

Thank you rev hagee.

[erika]

Then don't let YOUR children watch it ;)

They don't. It's blocked and we only have a universal computer near the living room that is watched. I'm tech savvy.

[revolutionary8]

Thank you rev hagee.
I don't even go to church bucko.
Try again?
I'm sure you will. ;)

[RonPaulVolunteer]

CP supports banning pornography. That's a deal breaker

Oh yeah, because that's sooooo important.

FFS JTL, get a clue man!

[Dorfsmith]

Oh yeah, because that's sooooo important.

FFS JTL, get a clue man!

If you ban porn, art comes next and then other speech. It's the slippery slope.

[erika]

I don't even go to church bucko.
Try again?
I'm sure you will. ;)

Have you seen this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVtRavJ-0AA

[Micah Dardar]

Nader already had somewhat of a following, and now that he is listening to Ron Paul, that number may grow.

[revolutionary8]

Albert Pike wrote:


The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World,

The [third] war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. The rest of the world will be drawn in. "Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion...

Pike stated that after World War III is ended; those who will aspire to undisputed world-domination will provoke the greatest social-cataclysm the world has ever known, an all powerful malevolent unipolar world order. He stated that the agenda was to "unleash the nihilists and the atheists" and bring this about via "a general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and Atheism; both conquered and exterminated at the same time."
I'll bet you have.;)

[DrSpock]

Nader already had somewhat of a following, and now that he is listening to Ron Paul, that number may grow.

Baldwin and Nader seem to be the only real choices left to us. I can understand peoples aversion to Baldwin considering the CP platform but my only real concern are the numbers.

Unfortunately, Barr's actions have damaged his ability to garner a large amount of votes. Hopefully people will make a choice between Nader and Baldwin instead of abstaining.

[Dorfsmith]

Baldwin and Nader seem to be the only real choices left to us. I can understand peoples aversion to Baldwin considering the CP platform but my only real concern are the numbers.

Unfortunately, Barr's actions have damaged his ability to garner a large amount of votes. Hopefully people will make a choice between Nader and Baldwin instead of abstaining.

I'm still undecided between the two but I will be voting for sure. Nader is on the AZ ballot but Baldwin is eligible for a write in. I probably won't be sure until election day.

[RonPaulVolunteer]

If you ban porn, art comes next and then other speech. It's the slippery slope.

Sorry, but reality proves you wrong. VERY wrong.

[Dorfsmith]

Sorry, but reality proves you wrong. VERY wrong.

Example?

[Dorfsmith]

Example?

And let me make it clear that I'm a collector of nude art that most people confuse with porn simply because it includes nudity.

[idiom]

You can't Ban porn. Half the Bible is porn. I WONT LET U TAKE MY BIBLE AWAY.

Meanwhile:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/Bouguereau_first_kiss.jpg

Did it just get hot in here?

[DrSpock]

I'm still undecided between the two but I will be voting for sure. Nader is on the AZ ballot but Baldwin is eligible for a write in. I probably won't be sure until election day.

At this point I am leaning towards Nader. The reason being that he is already polling near double digits. That being said, I am concerned about the possibility of of a McCain victory if enough democrats are persuaded to join us.

It is a double-edged sword I suppose, both Obama and McCain would be terrible for our country and the world, but I have developed "feelings" for McCain and they are not positive.

[Dorfsmith]

Lmao!!!

edit: LMAO at picture post above the post above.

[Dorfsmith]

At this point I am leaning towards Nader. The reason being that he is already polling near double digits. That being said, I am concerned about the possibility of of a McCain victory if enough democrats are persuaded to join us.

It is a double-edged sword I suppose, both Obama and McCain would be terrible for our country and the world, but I have developed "feelings" for McCain and they are not positive.

That's the main reason I'm leaning Nader. That and the whole ban porn/art thing that the CP seems to promote.

[erika]

I'll either vote for mccain, baldwin or neither.

I won't be able to handle obama on tv 24/7 so I might have to vote for mccain/palin.

In 2012 there will be a better grassroots for third parties. Right now there is nothing that is competing with the MSM so a third party won't work.

That "rock the debate" organization might bring open debates back by 2012 and after the digital switch to cable tv, millions more might just watch internet tv by then.

That gives us more of a chance to fight the MSM and get a third party person elected.

Get to work now obviously.

Too bad ron didn't switch to a third party.

[Dorfsmith]

I'll either vote for mccain, baldwin or neither.

I won't be able to handle obama on tv 24/7 so I might have to vote for mccain/palin.

In 2012 there will be a better grassroots for third parties. Right now there is nothing that is competing with the MSM so a third party won't work.

That "rock the debate" organization might bring open debates back by 2012 and after the digital switch to cable tv, millions more might just watch internet tv by then.

That gives us more of a chance to fight the MSM and get a third party person elected.

Get to work now obviously.

Too bad ron didn't switch to a third party.

Palin mixes religion in her politics.

[BeFranklin]

Thank you rev hagee.


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Declaration of Independence

[erika]

Palin mixes religion in her politics.

I know, so does obama and so does baldwin. There isn't much choice.

[erika]

Declaration of Independence

Some of them believed in god. I don't have to. =)

Did ALL of the founders believe in god?

[DrSpock]

That's the main reason I'm leaning Nader. That and the whole ban porn/art thing that the CP seems to promote.

Indeed, I like Baldwin but I don't want to give the CP the idea that I support their platform. It is important to point out though, I do not believe that Baldwin supports that specific plank, his recent speeches don't seem to suggest it at least.

[DeadtoSin]

As educated and intelligent as Ron Paul supporters were supposed to be, I'm amazed at what a huge disappointment you guys are sometimes. You see the flaws in the logic of others, but you don't look at the flaws in your own logic.

All throughout the campaign we had people that just bawled because the media was portraying us as a collective group. You guys are doing the same thing with the Constitution party. Look at Chuck Baldwin and what he advocates doing, and you'll find he agrees with Ron Paul on a lot.

What's next? Ron Paul is part of the Republican party. Is he a warmongering deficit spending sleazeball?

Think before you guys talk sometimes. It's a helpful thing.

[BeFranklin]

There's something about religion that it just seems so collectivist and statist in political parties. It's the one big problem I have with the constitution party. I'm willing to look past it for now though. How many people actually go to church?


We must be heathens out here in California.

I agree in political parties currently they seem that way, but the religion like our founders had is very liberating. Look at the shot heard round the world. The first battle in the American Revolution was on a church yard, fought by the congregation and minister after he preached them a message. And there were many preachers like that then.

[Dorfsmith]

Indeed, I like Baldwin but I don't want to give the CP the idea that I support their platform. It is important to point out though, I do not believe that Baldwin supports that specific plank, his recent speeches don't seem to suggest it at least.

True. That's why I have not completely written Baldwin off yet. I'm sure I'll be undecided until I actually vote.

[erika]

Deadtosin,

People have differing opinions, is there something morally wrong with that?

[Micah Dardar]

Government prohibition usually makes problems worse.

[BeFranklin]

Some of them believed in god. I don't have to. =)

Did ALL of the founders believe in god?

The vast majority, including Benjamin Franklin.

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Example?

Ah, how about REALITY. Freedom of speech is being severely curtailed right now, porn on the other hand is growing.

Correlation is not causation. To suggest the banning of porn, which is such a fucking insanely stupid issue to even bother with in light of what's going on around us, is going to cause a ban on art of free speech is ludicrous.

It seems like you just don't like people with alternate word views to your own and want to demonize it.

[RonPaulVolunteer]

You can't Ban porn. Half the Bible is porn. I WONT LET U TAKE MY BIBLE AWAY.

Meanwhile:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/48/Bouguereau_first_kiss.jpg

Did it just get hot in here?

Sorry, that's not porn, nor is it in the Bible.

[erika]

The vast majority, including Benjamin Franklin.

Do you know which one's didn't? I'd like to learn more about them.

[Dorfsmith]

Ah, how about REALITY. Freedom of speech is being severely curtailed right now, porn on the other hand is growing.

Correlation is not causation. To suggest the banning of porn, which is such a fucking insanely stupid issue to even bother with in light of what's going on around us, is going to cause a ban on art of free speech is ludicrous.

It seems like you just don't like people with alternate word views to your own and want to demonize it.

Show me one society who banned porn and didn't attack art next? As an artist and a collector of nude art I feel strongly about the issue.

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Deadtosin,

People have differing opinions, is there something morally wrong with that?

No, but YOU'RE the one that seems to think that way.

We ALL have a worldview. You can call the Christian world view "religious", but it's just a worldview. You have a world view, or a "religion" too, you just don't use the same terminology, but it's the same damn thing.

[heavenlyboy34]

Government prohibition usually makes problems worse.

+1 ZILLION!! I did a research project about 'pornography' once. I don't mind it at all, as long as it doesn't infringe on others' rights-who dislike porn and don't wish to see it. 'Consumers' of entertainment should bear the responsibility of learning about what they are going to watch/consume. GROW UP, you anti-porn nazis out there!

Good book on this subject-"Defending Pornography" :D

[DrSpock]

True. That's why I have not completely written Baldwin off yet. I'm sure I'll be undecided until I actually vote.

I am still undecided as well. It is a difficult choice to make, trying to determine which vote will be the most effective.

We live under an ancient Chinese curse, "May you live in interesting times".

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Show me one society who banned porn and didn't attack art next? As an artist and a collector of nude art I feel strongly about the issue.

You don't understand the term, correlation is not causation, do you. I suggest you look it up and come back with a better argument.

[BeFranklin]

The idea of a personal relationship with God, specifically as the puratians, baptists, and other protestant groups believed in, flied in the face of the idea of a divine rights of kings and every other sort of authoritarian philosophy. You are a child of the Almighty God. You have a direct personal relationship with him. You are all brothers and sisters in Christ.

What more authority is there then that? That is very liberating, and essentially breaks all man-made bonds of authority.

John 8:31-32
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

[RonPaulVolunteer]

The idea of a personal relationship with God, specifically as the puratians, baptists, and other protestant groups believed in, flied in the face of the idea of a de-vine rights of kings and every other sort of authoritarian philosophy. You are a child of the Almighty God. You have a direct personal relationship with him. You are all brothers and sisters in Christ.

What more authority is there then that? That is very liberating, and essentially breaks all man-made bonds of authority.

John 8:31-32
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Now that's something anyone can say amen to.

[nbhadja]

Porn is a trickey subject. It shouldn't be banned but I wouldn't want my children looking at it online until they are of legal age. Youtube seems to have more and more porn.

If youtube wants to show porn they should be allowed to, and if cable wants to show porn then they should be allowed to.
Freedom rules!

[BeFranklin]

Do you know which one's didn't? I'd like to learn more about them.

You should study Benjamin Franklin. Benjamin Franklin is sometimes used as an example of a founder who was a free thinker, but actually, he was a free thinker in his 20s. When he became more mature, he regretted it (also mentioned in his autobiography), and had a wonderful faith. By wonderful, I mean I love his quotes, and can see who he was by them.

You should study Benjamin Franklin if for no other reason to learn a little about why its so important for the establishment to claim that the founders weren't Christian when they were. Benjamin Franklin specifically is interesting as an example.

[nbhadja]

Sorry, but reality proves you wrong. VERY wrong.

But there is nothing morally wrong with porn in my eyes so the government should not ban porn just because some people hate it.
I hate religion, so should I try to get the government to ban religion?

Banning porn= Against freedom
With that said I support Baldwin, I am just making a point.

[DeadtoSin]

Deadtosin,

People have differing opinions, is there something morally wrong with that?

You have the worst logic of any RP poster I've seen. You called someone Hagee because they believed that religion has a place in political parties. Well, I'll tell you something. If your beliefs about the world can't inform your political leanings then you don't have any beliefs, or they are incredibly shallow. That includes your belief in no God, or no belief in God or whichever type of atheist you classify yourself as.

The problem isn't with differing opinions. The problem is with you using the party to attack the candidate. That is the most ignorant backwards thing I've seen on these forums and it enrages me. If someone said they weren't voting for McCain based on the GOP platform I'd be furious. You listen to the position of the candidate, because the candidate isn't the party.

Ron Paul isn't a warmongering sleazeball. Ron Paul is a good man. When you say Chuck Baldwin must want to ban pornography because the Constitution Party does, then you are being a complete fool. Perhaps Baldwin does want to ban it, I haven't researched his position on that. Don't use the Constitution Party's platform to base your opinion on it though. They aren't the same, and it is a complete logical fallacy.

Oh well, you seem to be great at twisting things, so we'll see how you twist this one.

[BarryDonegan]

IMO, with third parties you should vote for the party platform, not the candidate. in the end, since they are not winning this year, it will be the party platform that gets the metrics of whatever percentage shows out to vote. the party itself will be empowered in the future, where the candidate itself will no longer be on the ticket.

thats the main reason why I can't personally vote for a constitution party candidate right now. too much theocratic stuff sitting right there on the front page of their website.

[DeadtoSin]

A person must have an awful shallow beliefs/non-beliefs if their view of the entire world can't inform their thinking.

[revolutionary8]

The idea of a personal relationship with God, specifically as the puratians, baptists, and other protestant groups believed in, flied in the face of the idea of a de-vine rights of kings and every other sort of authoritarian philosophy. You are a child of the Almighty God. You have a direct personal relationship with him. You are all brothers and sisters in Christ.

What more authority is there then that? That is very liberating, and essentially breaks all man-made bonds of authority.

John 8:31-32
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Amen. Thanks Ben. :)


You should study Benjamin Franklin if for no other reason to learn a little about why its so important for the establishment to claim that the founders weren't Christian when they were. Benjamin Franklin specifically is interesting as an example.
Absolutely Ben. I am not a "religious" person, but I do study our Founders, and I do respect, love and admire our Creator.

[BarryDonegan]

I, personally, don't believe that chuck baldwin wants to ban pornography. but, chuck baldin will not be POTUS, and he will not be the CP candidate in every election in the future. in my calculations, a vote for the CP this year will be viewed at some point in the future as a vote for its total platform, which includes stuff like banning pornography.

in order to win the vote of voters like myself, they need to get the theocratic junk off of their website, and out of their platform.

a candidate can worship whatever they want and get my vote. they can worship god 20 hours a day, speaking in tongues, they can worship a billion gods, or no god, or whatever they want to do with their time, but when they show up to legislate, execute, or judge, they better be defending liberties and freedoms with every second they spend serving the public.

any good man of God leaves the judging of your personal life to the man upstairs.

[Micah Dardar]

I don't think that prohibition of anything can alter the laws of supply and demand

[idiom]

I could post a picture that looks exceedingly similar RPV, but it would get me banned an probably arrested.

Put yeah you're right, some porn is art and that makes masturbating to it holy.


My beloved put in his hand by the hole of the door, and my bowels were moved for him. I rose up to open to my beloved; and my hands dropped with myrrh, and my fingers with sweet smelling myrrh, upon the handles of the lock.

Well that and way more is in the Bible.

[RonPaulVolunteer]

I think many of you miss the point about porn.

When you look at the industry, you'll find a handful of STARS that seem to be very happy. Unless they have been out of the industry, have no plans to go back into it, and then you discover the sordid details and reality of an industry that preys on shallow people with low self esteem and takes advantage of them for as long as it can.

Is the 'freedom' of the individual not more important then your freedom to view porn? Is your concern simply with your rights, and say nothing of your responsibilities?

As Ron Paul has said many times, with great freedom comes great responsibility.

Remember, Liberty, is not, License.

[Micah Dardar]

I don't like porn, but people should be free to make bad decisions if they choose to.

[RonPaulVolunteer]

I could post a picture that looks exceedingly similar RPV, but it would get me banned an probably arrested.

Put yeah you're right, some porn is art and that makes masturbating to it holy.



Well that and way more is in the Bible.

And Jewish Boys are not permitted to read Song of Solomon for good reason. Your argument doesn't really hold water.

[Dorfsmith]

I think many of you miss the point about porn.

When you look at the industry, you'll find a handful of STARS that seem to be very happy. Unless they have been out of the industry, have no plans to go back into it, and then you discover the sordid details and reality of an industry that preys on shallow people with low self esteem and takes advantage of them for as long as it can.

Is the 'freedom' of the individual not more important then your freedom to view porn? Is your concern simply with your rights, and say nothing of your responsibilities?

As Ron Paul has said many times, with great freedom comes great responsibility.

Remember, Liberty, is not, License.

My wife has pornographic pictures of herself on the internet. Thanks for helping convince me to vote for Nader :)

[Micah Dardar]

And Jewish Boys are not permitted to read Song of Solomon for good reason. Your argument doesn't really hold water.

ewwww... let's not go there

[revolutionary8]

I don't think that prohibition of anything can alter the laws of supply and demand

me neither. That is why the "banning of porn" is a non-issue for me when I look at the CP platform. I have yet to hear CB himself state that he would try to "outlaw porn". What I DO hear in his statements is that he would "outlaw" the Fed.

[DeadtoSin]

And Jewish Boys are not permitted to read Song of Solomon for good reason. Your argument doesn't really hold water.

Don't try to talk to open-minded free thinkers like him. They are incredibly open-minded people, but he is only open-minded if your views conform to his.

[BarryDonegan]

Unless they have been out of the industry, have no plans to go back into it, and then you discover the sordid details and reality of an industry that preys on shallow people with low self esteem and takes advantage of them for as long as it can.



show me an industry that doesn't do that on some level.

there is mythology that people only enter into pornography due to being conned into it... in reality the producers have a very difficult time shielding themselves from the excessive number of women lining up to take part in their lucrative industry.

you can't break into the porn biz unless you are REALLY into doing it. its not easy to just slip into. research feminism in porn to see the real deal on the industry. it is not an industry of abuse on any other level than any other entertainment industry. entertainment as a whole takes advantage of a whole in the heart of the people who take part in it, who need lots of attention to feel good. porn is just the exhibitionist version of that. sure theres drug abuse, and other bad stuff going on, but look at the non-pornographic film industry, music industry, etc. its just the same.

[erika]

lol DeadtoSin,

Clearly you're suffering from cognitive stupidity here. Not sure why you're attacking me personally, But that is typical for someone with no argument. I'll just be nice and say that I think you're acting a little bit too pansyish and delusional.

The Hagee comment was done in jest and harmless.

This is why religious nuts tend to scare me. They're uptight and angry.

[RonPaulVolunteer]

show me an industry that doesn't do that on some level.

You raise the question, so the burden of proof is on you.

And if in your searching you ever do find an industry like it, then of course, you're simply falling for the "well everyone's doing it" trick.

[Dorfsmith]

You raise the question, so the burden of proof is on you.

And if in your searching you ever do find an industry like it, then of course, you're simply falling for the "well everyone's doing it" trick.

Forget the industry. The porn industry is losing money left and right. They're going down. With the internet any free human can put pictures of themselves up and nobody is taking advantage of them. Wake up...we're not living in the 1980's.

[BarryDonegan]

You raise the question, so the burden of proof is on you.

And if in your searching you ever do find an industry like it, then of course, you're simply falling for the "well everyone's doing it" trick.

i provided two other examples, music, and non pornographic film. both of those industries

-take the need for the performer to be exposed to a massive audience in order to feel whole, uses it for profit
-create an image and marketing campaign that exploits their personal life in a way which can become destructive
-has a major problem of drug abuse and suicide among its stable of performers
-disproportionately pays the staff and industry compared to the performers themselves, often to the extreme of fooling the performers into doing all of the work and actually getting paid nothing, while they profit immensely
-often makes a lot of its startup money off of taking advantage of the wanna-bee's, who have stars in their eyes.

all of the pitfalls of the pornographic film industry exist in equal proportion in the non pornographic film industry and the music industry. the only difference is the pornographic film industry pays the performers better, in exchange for a little bit more social taboo(depending on the type of music and movies)

[DeadtoSin]

lol DeadtoSin,

Clearly you're suffering from cognitive stupidity here. Not sure why you're attacking me personally, But that is typical for someone with no argument. I'll just be nice and say that I think you're acting a little bit too pansyish and delusional.

The Hagee comment was done in jest and harmless.

This is why religious nuts tend to scare me. They're uptight and angry.

The worst I said is that you twist things, and perhaps that you are being ignorant. That isn't attacking anymore than talking about "religious nuts", twisting my statement to ask if there was something morally wrong with differing opinions, and calling me delusional. Stop having a victim complex.

[SeanEdwards]

I think religion is very important. We need more christians, because the lions are hungry and I like lions.

[DeadtoSin]

I think religion is very important. We need more christians, because the lions are hungry and I like lions.

Troll Attempt: 0/10

[erika]

The worst I said is that you twist things, and perhaps that you are being ignorant. That isn't attacking anymore than talking about "religious nuts", twisting my statement to ask if there was something morally wrong with differing opinions, and calling me delusional. Stop having a victim complex.

Again, you're acting inane. You attacked me, not my post.

Buy some more neurons, you uptight sissy.

[erika]

Troll Attempt: 0/10

Comic relief is always needed, that's why we allow you religious nuts here.

[erika]

I think religion is very important. We need more christians, because the lions are hungry and I like lions.

lol

[revolutionary8]

lol DeadtoSin,

Clearly you're suffering from cognitive stupidity here. Not sure why you're attacking me personally, But that is typical for someone with no argument. I'll just be nice and say that I think you're acting a little bit too pansyish and delusional.

The Hagee comment was done in jest and harmless.

This is why religious nuts tend to scare me. They're uptight and angry.

Everybody skeers you erika. Hell, I skeered ya, and I haven't gone to church since I was 8. ;) And FTLOG, STOP trying to skeer me with islamofascism.
Brzy invented that shit, along with the CIA, ya know.

speaking of,
what do you think of the CIA? SURELY you understand being the "anti-relgio" tha you are, the the CIA created islamo-fascism.

[Knightskye]

Porn is a trickey subject. It shouldn't be banned but I wouldn't want my children looking at it online until they are of legal age. Youtube seems to have more and more porn.

Well, it's not the government's job to be looking after your children. It's yours.

[DeadtoSin]

Again, you're acting inane. You attacked me, not my post.

Buy some more neurons, you uptight sissy.

And you are doing the same exact thing, insinuating I'm stupid, uptight, and a sissy. You call me delusional, but seriously, you are as delusional as JosephtheLibertarian. Whatever.

A person has an incredibly shallow world-view if their world view can't influence their thinking about reality. It isn't possible for a human to believe/dis-believe in something and have that not affect their decisions in the real world. To try to step back and truly be objective about it is impossible.

[erika]

Well, it's not the government's job to be looking after your children. It's yours.

You didn't read my follow up to that. I said that we don't allow them to get online except with a universal computer in the living room. Try to pay attention

[DeadtoSin]

Comic relief is always needed, that's why we allow you religious nuts here.

Ah, I like how a member who just registered this month is allowing me to be here.

[erika]

Everybody skeers you erika. Hell, I skeered ya, and I haven't gone to church since I was 8. ;) And FTLOG, STOP trying to skeer me with islamofascism.
Brzy invented that shit, along with the CIA, ya know.

speaking of,
what do you think of the CIA? SURELY you understand being the "anti-relgio" that the CIA created islamo-fascism.

Did you take your meds? I never talked about islamo anything. =)

[revolutionary8]

You didn't read my follow up to that. I said that we don't allow them to get online except with a universal computer in the living room. Try to pay attention

omg. you are insane.

[revolutionary8]

Did you take your meds? I never talked about islamo anything. =)

You have taken your meds. ;)
Meds are good acc. to you. Right?:cool:
Try again?
Of course.
IN COMING.

[erika]

Ah, I like how a member who just registered this month is allowing me to be here.

Oh trust me I was a member long before you were. I lost my reg info, pass, email addy etc after I moved to my new house.

I love how you attack me but can't handle a little jab at yourself. Too funny.

[erika]

omg. you are insane.

OMG you have a small penis.

[revolutionary8]

Oh trust me I was a member long before you were. I lost my reg info, pass, email addy etc after I moved to my new house.

I love how you attack me but can't handle a little jab at yourself. Too funny.

Oh, I will tussssst you. :D
I'm sure you have been here allllllllllllllll along. But for some reason, you have been called to "battle".
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
:cool:
You make me sick dude.

[erika]

Oh, I will tussssst you. :D
I'm sure you have been here allllllllllllllll along. But for some reason, you have been called to "battle".
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
:cool:


Oh I see that's your other handle. Got it. lol

[DeadtoSin]

Oh trust me I was a member long before you were. I lost my reg info, pass, email addy etc after I moved to my new house.

I love how you attack me but can't handle a little jab at yourself. Too funny.

Sure you did. I think you are JosephtheLibertarian's alt account. You have the same victim complex he has. Heck, even if you aren't, you are just like him. I'll never put you on the ignore list, because I like reading twisted logic. I probably won't respond to you though. Guess that'll make us both happier.

[revolutionary8]

OMG you have a small penis.

OMG, you have a small penis, AND BRAIN. :D

[erika]

Sure you did. I think you are JosephtheLibertarian's alt account. You have the same victim complex he has. Heck, even if you aren't, you are just like him. I'll never put you on the ignore list, because I like reading twisted logic. I probably won't respond to you though. Guess that'll make us both happier.

Mmk keep dreaming weirdo.

[revolutionary8]

I agree in political parties currently they seem that way, but the religion like our founders had is very liberating. Look at the shot heard round the world. The first battle in the American Revolution was on a church yard, fought by the congregation and minister after he preached them a message. And there were many preachers like that then.

The Shot Heard Around The World.

[revolutionary8]

Personal Relationships:

The idea of a personal relationship with God, specifically as the puratians, baptists, and other protestant groups believed in, flied in the face of the idea of a de-vine rights of kings and every other sort of authoritarian philosophy. You are a child of the Almighty God. You have a direct personal relationship with him. You are all brothers and sisters in Christ.

What more authority is there then that? That is very liberating, and essentially breaks all man-made bonds of authority.

John 8:31-32
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; 32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

[silverbullet85]

I can deal with religion in politics, but personally I like the way Dr. Paul handles the question... Usually he'll say something to the effect that we are given our rights by God OR in some natural way. In this way of phrasing it, it's more inclusive, leaves the choice to the individual, without compromising on the all-important fact that the rights aren't given to us by government.

[revolutionary8]

I can deal with religion in politics, but personally I like the way Dr. Paul handles the question... Usually he'll say something to the effect that we are given our rights by God OR in some natural way. In this way of phrasing it, it's more inclusive, leaves the choice to the individual, without compromising on the all-important fact that the rights aren't given to us by government.
Right, that is the whole point of what we are arguing about. SOME here are COMMMIES (erika for one): they feel that THE GOVERNMENT has the right to take away our rights. I DISSENT. only GOD can take away our rights, NOT the GOVERNMENT.

[josephadel_3]

I'd love to vote for Baldwin. I couldn't care less if pornography were banned. He's extremely intelligent and fought hard for Ron Paul's campaign. He said he wouldn't be running if Ron got the nomination. Unfortunately, he's not on the Maine ballot, nor is Barr so I'll be voting for Nader, who I am starting to like more after seeing him at the national press club with Ron.

[erika]

>>>revolutionary8 "SOME here are COMMMIES (erika for one)"


Commie? Hahahaha Wow, you ARE a serious NUTCASE. lol. Call us when your shuttle lands.

I never said one couldn't be religious. I just said that I don't like religion in politics(neither does Dr. Paul) and that overly religious people are scary. I gave an example earlier. Would you like another?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVtRavJ-0AA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOsYSwNrlBo

Enough said.

[silverbullet85]

Right, that is the whole point of what we are arguing about. SOME here are COMMMIES (erika for one): they feel that THE GOVERNMENT has the right to take away our rights. I DISSENT. only GOD can take away our rights, NOT the GOVERNMENT.

Even the language of saying God can take away my rights worries me, because God has often been used as an excuse by government to take away rights. Now by no means am I suggesting that the CP would do that. Point is, a person doesn't have to believe in God to believe that they have rights that can't be taken away by government.

[SeanEdwards]

Right, that is the whole point of what we are arguing about. SOME here are COMMMIES (erika for one): they feel that THE GOVERNMENT has the right to take away our rights. I DISSENT. only GOD can take away our rights, NOT the GOVERNMENT.

Where do you get this stuff? What a crock of shit.

The government, empowered by the community, can take away your worthless life, or any number of lesser restrictions on your rights if you get out of line. Go try robbing a bank and see how far this argument of yours stands up in a court.

Prisons are probably full of idiots screaming that only god can take away their rights. LOL.

[revolutionary8]

Albert Pike wrote:


Quote:The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World,

The [third] war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. The rest of the world will be drawn in. "Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion...

Pike stated that after World War III is ended; those who will aspire to undisputed world-domination will provoke the greatest social-cataclysm the world has ever known, an all powerful malevolent unipolar world order. He stated that the agenda was to "unleash the nihilists and the atheists" and bring this about via "a general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and Atheism; both conquered and exterminated at the same time."
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[revolutionary8]

Where do you get this stuff? What a crock of shit.

The government, empowered by the community, can take away your worthless life, or any number of lesser restrictions on your rights if you get out of line. Go try robbing a bank and see how far this argument of yours stands up in a court.

Prisons are probably full of idiots screaming that only god can take away their rights. LOL.
LOL.
Because of PEOPLE LIKE YOU.
;)

Look Up.

[revolutionary8]

Even the language of saying God can take away my rights worries me, because God has often been used as an excuse by government to take away rights. Now by no means am I suggesting that the CP would do that. Point is, a person doesn't have to believe in God to believe that they have rights that can't be taken away by government.
God or Government?
YOU choose?;)
I can't believe the people here WOOD FALL for this.

[erika]

Where do you get this stuff? What a crock of shit.

The government, empowered by the community, can take away your worthless life, or any number of lesser restrictions on your rights if you get out of line. Go try robbing a bank and see how far this argument of yours stands up in a court.

Prisons are probably full of idiots screaming that only god can take away their rights. LOL.

:) Hahaha Seriously, Rev.8 must be smoking crack again. It's pretty scary.

[revolutionary8]

Seriously, Rev.8 must be smoking crack again. It's pretty scary.

Yep. crack smoker here. :D
how convientient for the DRUG WARRIORS.
Right?
You aren't fooling anyone.

[silverbullet85]

God or Government?
YOU choose?;)
I can't believe the people here WOOD FALL for this.

It's not a binary choice.

[silverbullet85]

Where do you get this stuff? What a crock of shit.

The government, empowered by the community, can take away your worthless life, or any number of lesser restrictions on your rights if you get out of line. Go try robbing a bank and see how far this argument of yours stands up in a court.

Prisons are probably full of idiots screaming that only god can take away their rights. LOL.

You're missing the point. Certain rights are natural - such as the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness - and are not given to us by government, even though government oversteps its bounds. Whereas other rights, e.g. the right to vote, are entirely a function of the political system and thus are given by government.

[revolutionary8]

You're missing the point. Certain rights are natural - such as the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness - and are not given to us by government, even though government oversteps its bounds. Whereas other rights, e.g. the right to vote, are entirely a function of the political system and thus are given by government.


Government can kiss my ass?

[revolutionary8]

:) Hahaha Seriously, Rev.8 must be smoking crack again. It's pretty scary.

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[JosephTheLibertarian]

They don't. It's blocked and we only have a universal computer near the living room that is watched. I'm tech savvy.

Problem solved ;) and no government ban. yay

[jabrownie]

Why is this even an issue? Who cares if the CP wants to ban porn...even if they held every single seat in congress and the presidency it wouldn't happen. Look how things turned out with the effort to ban alcohol in this country. And that was before television, and the internet. Not to mention that I'm pretty sure more people would oppose a porn ban and support a black market then they would with alcohol. This is a non-issue, it's so remote that the debate might as well be about which party will oppose anal probing in the event that aliens try to take over the planet. :-P Now there is something to debate...anyone know Baldwin's stance on it? lolz.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Why is this even an issue? Who cares if the CP wants to ban porn...even if they held every single seat in congress and the presidency it wouldn't happen. Look how things turned out with the effort to ban alcohol in this country. And that was before television, and the internet. Not to mention that I'm pretty sure more people would oppose a porn ban and support a black market then they would with alcohol. This is a non-issue, it's so remote that the debate might as well be about which party will oppose anal probing in the event that aliens try to take over the planet. :-P Now there is something to debate...anyone know Baldwin's stance on it? lolz.

Banning porn is a violation of the1st amendment that you say you care about so much.It starts with porn, but where will it end?

[libertea]

Looks like hot topics week on the forums.

[jabrownie]

Banning porn is a violation of the1st amendment that you say you care about so much.It starts with porn, but where will it end?

True, True. I would be one of the people opposed to such a ban. Main point was that it'll never happen, therefore no harm no foul, no problem. Apart from that, any chance you could help clarify the issue: Is the question about a federal ban or a local community ban?

Good morning btw.

[libertea]

Too bad ron didn't switch to a third party.

But he did ask you to vote 3rd party.

I saw a bumper sticker that said something like

I get along great with God, It's his fan club that I can't stand.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

True, True. I would be one of the people opposed to such a ban. Main point was that it'll never happen, therefore no harm no foul, no problem. Apart from that, any chance you could help clarify the issue: Is the question about a federal ban or a local community ban?

Good morning btw.

I'm not a communist, so I don't care if it's local or federal. Wrong is wrong :p

[kojirodensetsu]

I love how, out of all the things wrong with the world today, banning porn is the deal breaker. Anyways though Baldwin has never said he would ban porn and a lot of his views are similar to Ron Paul's. This isn't about you guys not liking Baldwin, it's about you not liking the CP.

I myself will be voting for Baldwin if he's on the ballot in my state. And I am not religious atm. I'm agnostic. But I have no problem with things like allowing prayer in school.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I love how, out of all the things wrong with the world today, banning porn is the deal breaker. Anyways though Baldwin has never said he would ban porn and a lot of his views are similar to Ron Paul's. This isn't about you guys not liking Baldwin, it's about you not liking the CP.

I myself will be voting for Baldwin if he's on the ballot in my state. And I am not religious atm. I'm agnostic. But I have no problem with things like allowing prayer in school.

Then why isn't he running as an independent? He endorsed the CP platform when he accepted its nomination

[Delivered4000]

If you really believe in liberty then you should agree with the WALL OF SEPARATION.

/thread

[pauletteNV]

I can deal with religion in politics, but personally I like the way Dr. Paul handles the question... Usually he'll say something to the effect that we are given our rights by God OR in some natural way. In this way of phrasing it, it's more inclusive, leaves the choice to the individual, without compromising on the all-important fact that the rights aren't given to us by government.

Exactly. The idea of freedom of religion is that one is free to make choices...not forced to be religious, or have your religious "rights" taken from you. We know Dr. Paul to be a religious man, but he does not suggest we have to be. He does not make a huge show and photo op of going to church and shouting out "God Bless America" etc. at the end of each speech. Some politicans make a point of looking religious, whether they are truly or not, simply to get the vote of that particular sect. Personally, I don't care which religion someone is, not even not reglious at all, just don't try to force whatever it is you believe in on me or mine. We'll make our own decisions, thank you.

[jcarcinogen]

Plant

[erika]

Plant

Hello rebarative monkey.

I thought neocons liked religion? You know zionism, judeo-christiaity. etc.

[revolutionary8]

Hello rebarative monkey.

I thought neocons liked religion? You know zionism, judeo-christiaity. etc.

hello "erika",
I thought all pig/human hybrids were part monkey, but thanks to you, I might have been proven wrong.
catch that?
Note: ETHNIC

[erika]

hello "erika",
I thought all pig hybrids were monkeys, but thanks to you, I might have been proven wrong.

lol I always enjoy the obsequious comments from the ethnic turd brigade. Carry on.

[erika]

Or was Pat Buchanan lying? I think he was spot on.

[revolutionary8]

Or was Pat Buchanan lying? I think he was spot on.
Note: PB

dig dug..

[revolutionary8]

lol I always enjoy the obsequious comments from the ethnic turd brigade. Carry on.

Gotta love, ETHNIC. ;)
You aren't fooling anyone.
Dude looks Like A LADY.
from the 80s.
LMAo

[revolutionary8]

pig hybrids are overrated.

[revolutionary8]

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[Bman]

There's something about religion that it just seems so collectivist and statist in political parties. It's the one big problem I have with the constitution party. I'm willing to look past it for now though. How many people actually go to church?


We must be heathens out here in California.

Your not alone Erika. Much love from the east coast. I won't look past Constitution Parties beliefs. Religion has no place in Government and is a preferred members club only. Now that's not to say that someone shouldn't have religious beliefs. However, since their will be no agreement on who and what god is or even if he exists it should be kept to a personal level rather than a collective pushing forward agendas at a governmental level.

The philosphy of liberty is all we need.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8z1buym2xUM

I often say the self-righteous need remember. Only god is god.

[PauliticsPolitics]

Of course porn should be banned. Since most porn is on the internet, we can finally have the internet highly regulated... as we all hope for. Finally the government can crack down on those porn sites destroying our culture, and other websites not deemed in the public interest. Out on the intrawebs, there are some nasty forums discussing revolution... such a concept is surely against the best public interest.

I seriously hope the government heeds my request to censor the www so i don't have to see those dang naked ladies on the yootoobes when i'm searching for a Sarah Palin speech. Hopefully they can get rid of those Ron Paul clips to... that man sounds down-right dangerous!

[Bman]

Of course porn should be banned. Since most porn is on the internet, we can finally have the internet highly regulated... as we all hope for. Finally the government can crack down on those porn sites destroying our culture, and other websites not deemed in the public interest. Out on the intrawebs, there are some nasty forums discussing revolution... such a concept is surely against the best public interest.

I seriously hope the government heeds my request to censor the www so i don't have to see those dang naked ladies on the yootoobes when i'm searching for a Sarah Palin speech. Hopefully they can get rid of those Ron Paul clips to... that man sounds down-right dangerous!

lol. In all seriousness. If this happens my fiance (soon to be wife, 42 days and counting) is going to get annoyed with all the extra work she's going to need to do on my behalf.:eek:

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Gotta love, ETHNIC. ;)
You aren't fooling anyone.
Dude looks Like A LADY.
from the 80s.
LMAo

Your favorite song, right? ;)