Anyone voting for McCain?

[Nic4Truth]

Is there anyone sticking to Republican ticket and voting for McCain?

I am unsure of what way to go. My dad sent me this message, comments?... (hes trying to get me to vote mccain)

"Once McCain is in there ,the market/economy will improve and the housing will start to recover. "Sammys" friends all have husbands on Wall St. and they are scared to death of Obama getting in. If he happens to win, everyone will dump investments subject to short term capital gains taxes, which he will at least double. If you saw his interview w/O'Rieley he told him on the air he will raise them to 30%-35%. O'reilly flipped and told him he'll be pulling his money out of stocks and into bonds and so will every other investor. He says at a 10% capitol gains tax the stocks are worth the risk. At 30% no way!By the way home builder stocks are up about 33% since July. The institutional investors have been buying them up, driving up the price. So apparently they think this is the bottom, or close enough so that they are worried about missing it."

[newyearsrevolution08]

mccain/palin 2008!

lol

fuck them

[TER]

WWIII is not worth saving on capital gains tax

[Kotin]

mccain/palin 2008!

lol

fuck them

+1


but they will win.

[newyearsrevolution08]

+1


but they will win.

maybe but not with my vote.

Our voting for mccain or obama will NOT change the election so we need to vote 3rd party even if it is carrot top. We will get them in 2012 damn it.

[tonesforjonesbones]

I am voting for McCain due to the melt down of the LP and C4L. Besides, Ron Paul isn't running and none of the others can get on the ballots. I am actually voting for Palin...not McCain because she is libertarian leaning ..and I definately don't want the socialist democrats in there. YES...Obama will raise capital gains taxes which will cause more inflation. Obama nor McCain will keep us out of any wars for oil. With any hope, Palin can convince congress to vote for more drilling in the USA...ANWR and the gulf, even though it will go on the global market, it will stimulate the economy by providing decent jobs for americans...that's always helpful. If Obama gets in, and staRTS regulating the oil industry more...they may just pull out of USA completely and destroy the little bit of leverage we do have with oil markets, and employment for Americans. These buzzards wouldn't blink about aligning themselves with Russia or China and making their dough that way. If oil is going to continue to control the world, I submit we might as well make sure we are in on it, or it will be the certain death of our economy and the dollar. TOnes

[tonesforjonesbones]

Also consider this, If Obama (democrats) get in..they would like to see the GOVERMENT control the oil (gas stamps, more taxes , more regulation). If McCain gets in (republicans) we can pretty much figure they will uphold capitalism...which is a better way to go than communism/socialism. Tones

[torchbearer]

I am voting for McCain due to the melt down of the LP and C4L. Besides, Ron Paul isn't running and none of the others can get on the ballots. I am actually voting for Palin...not McCain because she is libertarian leaning ..and I definately don't want the socialist democrats in there. YES...Obama will raise capital gains taxes which will cause more inflation. Obama nor McCain will keep us out of any wars for oil. With any hope, Palin can convince congress to vote for more drilling in the USA...ANWR and the gulf, even though it will go on the global market, it will stimulate the economy by providing decent jobs for americans...that's always helpful. If Obama gets in, and staRTS regulating the oil industry more...they may just pull out of USA completely and destroy the little bit of leverage we do have with oil markets, and employment for Americans. These buzzards wouldn't blink about aligning themselves with Russia or China and making their dough that way. If oil is going to continue to control the world, I submit we might as well make sure we are in on it, or it will be the certain death of our economy and the dollar. TOnes

http://news.scotsman.com/world/Palin-39prepared-for-war-with.4488838.jp

Palin 'prepared for war with Russia on Georgia'
(sorry, but your children and grand children need to die to protect our interest in Georgia)



Published Date: 13 September 2008
By CHRIS STEPHEN
SARAH Palin warned yesterday she would be prepared to go to war with Russia to protect Georgia in her first interview since John McCain chose her as his vice-presidential nominee.

Calling Russia's invasion of its neighbor unprovoked, the Republican said she supported Georgia's application to join Nato even if it meant the United States could face a future confrontation with Moscow.

"I mean, that is the agreement when you are a Nato ally. If another country is attacked, you're going to be expected to be called upon to help."

Her comments, broadly in line with the robust stance of Mr McCain, came amid criticism that the McCain camp had kept her away from the press for the fortnight since she was chosen for the ticket.

Opinion polls now show Mr McCain level with, or narrowly leading, Obama nationally.

The Palin interview was by turns feisty and nervous. She told ABC's Charles Gibson that despite having visited only four other countries in her life, and having never met a foreign head of state, she was prepared to take the helm in the event of a mishap befalling 72-year-old Mr McCain.

"I'm ready," she said. "I have the confidence in that readiness and knowing that you can't blink. You have to be wired in a way of being so committed to the mission, the mission that we're on – reform of this country and victory in the war."

She gave enigmatic answers when asked if she would support Israeli strikes against Iranian nuclear installations, and on whether it was right to send troops into Pakistan after Osama bin Laden.

And she seemed off-guard when Gibson asked if she agreed with the Bush doctrine.

"In what respect, Charlie?" said Mrs Palin.

Gibson said: "What do you interpret it to be?"

"I believe that what President Bush has attempted to do is rid this world of Islamic extremism, terrorists who are hell-bent on destroying our nation," she replied.

Gibson said the doctrine was formulated in 2002 and allowed for pre-emptive strikes on nations posing a threat.

"Charlie, if there is a legitimate and enough intelligence that tells us that a strike is imminent against American people, we have every right to defend our country," Mrs Palin said.

Critics judged the performance competent, not inspiring. Some of the answers may have surprised Mrs Palin's boss: Mr McCain is busy courting the green vote and is opposed to oil drilling in Alaskan wildlife refuges, but his running mate insists she supports it.

"We'll agree to disagree," she said, "but I'm gonna keep pushing that and I think eventually we're all gonna come together on that one."

Mrs Palin also appeared confused over her position on climate change, denying she once claimed it was not man-made.

"I have not said that," she said. "Show me where I have ever said that there's absolute proof that nothing man has ever conducted or engaged in has had any effect or no effect on climate change."

In fact, said ABC, she made the claim twice last year, telling one Alaskan newspaper: "I'm not an Al Gore, doom-and-gloom environmentalist, blaming the changes in our climate on human activity."

The interview is likely to further polarise opinion on the woman who all agree has turned this presidential election into a cliffhanger, convincing critics she is inexperienced, and supporters that she is tough and intelligent.

Meanwhile, the Obama campaign, which has stuttered of late, effectively relaunched.

"Today is the first day of the rest of the campaign," Obama campaign manager David Plouffe said in a strategy memo. "We will respond with speed and ferocity to John McCain's attacks and we will take the fight to him, but we will do it on the big issues that matter to the American people."

The newest hard-line ad includes unflattering footage of Mr McCain in the early Eighties, wearing giant glasses and an out-of-style suit, interspersed with shots of a disco ball, a clunky phone, an outdated computer and a Rubik's Cube.

An Obama spokesman said the campaign was not making an issue of 72-year-old Mr McCain's age, but the time he's spent in Washington.

[TruthisTreason]

McCain = Big Government
Obama = Big Government

If you plan on voting Big Government, shouldn't be very hard.

[TER]

Voting McCain because of Palin is exactly how they are trying to fool you. Don't be fooled.

[newyearsrevolution08]

Also consider this, If Obama (democrats) get in..they would like to see the GOVERMENT control the oil (gas stamps, more taxes , more regulation). If McCain gets in (republicans) we can pretty much figure they will uphold capitalism...which is a better way to go than communism/socialism. Tones

If that is your mentality then I would rather have obama, mccain is a guaranteed "deaths head" over many American soldiers and innocents in our country and many others. What are human lives worth these days?

fuck taxes, gas, oil and this and that when we are talking about HUMAN BEINGS and them having the right to live and pieces of shit like mccain happy to kill them in the name of freedom, not that obama is BETTER BUT with your style of thinking and worrying about taxes and commi bullshit why not look at the BIGGER picture. What is your life worth? I know mine is worth much more than oil and gas stamps personally.

[tonesforjonesbones]

I understand all that. The wars are for control of the oil. Bottom line. Hate it, but its the facts. Nobody is going to go against the oil industry. Unfortunately, oil will continue to control the world. The dollar is backed by oil now...not gold. I agree , we need a better system, but it ain't happenin in 2008. I have to go with the capitalists rather than the socialists...for now. Tones

[amy31416]

Given her stance on war, along with her religious fundamentalism, and her lies about her stances on earmarks, bridge to nowhere, I honestly think she might be more dangerous than McCain. Partially because she gives the appearance of having a few libertarian ideals. She has stated publicly that the Iraq War is some sort of a mission from God. (Oh, so God gave us faulty intel? Neat!)

She'll use the God argument to justify whatever she wants. With endless wars with Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Russia, hell, maybe even China, there will have to be a draft, taxes will go through the roof--our money going to destroy other countries, and given the structure that Bush has put into place, we can't do a damned thing about it.

I'd rather be protesting gas stamps than protesting another million deaths.

[tonesforjonesbones]

OK..what's the solution? The movement has been shattered..we have no leverage ...this is just a rebel vote...what Ron Paul proposed. No leverage. Now, tell me the solution. tones

[torchbearer]

I have to go with the capitalists rather than the socialists...for now. Tones

McCain is not a capitalist. He is a corporatist.
A capitalist would end market manipulation by the fed, not encourage more controlled economy.

I hope you children are the ones sent to die in a war with russia over georgia, and I hope you understand your vote sent them there.

[tonesforjonesbones]

Amy...i didn't realize Ron Paul supporters shaped their opinions by the Huffington Post and the Daily Kooks. Tones

[torchbearer]

Palin's own words. Choose to ignore them, or justify it however you want... but she isn't hiding her fangs.

[TER]

You are putting material value over the value of human life, which is the neocon mentality. I MUCH rather have 4 years of creeping socialism (which can be reversed), than 4 years of wars and conflict in the name of 'false' capitalism. Please reconsider your vote. Choose a third part as RP suggested. Your conscience will let you sleep better at night.

[tonesforjonesbones]

Torchbearer...nasty thing to say. you have been quite nasty lately. Freaking immature..that's what people are talking about and the juvies are driving the adults off this forum. Ron Paul originally said to stay with the GOP and work to change it. You don't change things by revolting with in the party... you see it didn't work. grow the F. up. Tones

[amy31416]

Amy...i didn't realize Ron Paul supporters shaped their opinions by the Huffington Post and the Daily Kooks. Tones

Um. I got that from YouTubes of her saying it. The recent interviews, a YouTube of her speaking at her church. They're all over the place if you look into her.

[Danke]

I am voting for McCain due to the melt down of the LP and C4L.


There's been a melt down of the C4L? Did anyone break the news to Don yet?

[torchbearer]

Torchbearer...nasty thing to say. you have been quite nasty lately. Freaking immature..that's what people are talking about and the juvies are driving the adults off this forum. Ron Paul originally said to stay with the GOP and work to change it. You don't change things by revolting with in the party... you see it didn't work. grow the F. up. Tones

Sorry, the truth is a bitter pill. You should hate yourself.

[Grimnir Wotansvolk]

https://webspace.utexas.edu/warnerwt/picard-facepalm.jpg

[tonesforjonesbones]

Obama isnt' going to stop any wars...all they will do is continue the wars and perpetuate government control of the resources rather than the markets...WORSE than it is now. Is that what you want? Make no mistake about this. I came to the Ron Paul movement from a CONSERVATIVE world view..not a liberal worldview. I loathe socialism/communism and I will do whatever it takes to block it. TONES

[tonesforjonesbones]

I LIKE Christian fundamentalism...I happen to be one. Tones

[tonesforjonesbones]

NATO is a bad deal. Because of NATO we are forced by treaties to back up NATO countries. Sad but true. So, how do we change that policy? tones (even Obama said he is going to have to back Georgia...so tell me...what's the solution?)

[amy31416]

Here's part one of her talking about both a pipeline and the Iraq war being missions from God: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPIHjE0T_ww

And, by the way, I don't read Daily Kos, and have only occasionally read Huffington Post when there was something relevant.

[torchbearer]

http://www.futurehealthcareus.com/files/fh/img/q1_2008_p90_LG.jpg

[TER]

The world LOVES Obama and the chances of wars with him as president is MUCH LESS than with McCain. I think most people would agree. You are putting money over human life. Vote for whoever you want. If you haven't figured it out already, I won't be able to convince you.

[amy31416]

I LIKE Christian fundamentalism...I happen to be one. Tones

Fine by me, but do you also share the same beliefs about these wars being missions from God? How about the just war doctrine? Zionist-inspired violence?

One can not be pro-life and also pro-war.

Her recent interview with Gibson is pretty telling about her pro-war stances. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ALsjhDDdaA

[tonesforjonesbones]

No solution. I dislike wars. Wars are always for profit. Neither party will stop wars for oil at this time. If I believed Ron Paul was really running the C4L...I'd be on it, but I don't. They didn't even bother to tell Ron Paul Barr had cancelled. Pity. Tones

[azamalech]

If you vote for McCain I have NO respect for you. The Republicans have turned the Constitution into toilet paper for the last 8 years (McCain jovially going along with them) while the Democrats have sat idly by and let them.

[tonesforjonesbones]

I'm truly sorry the movement isn't getting anywhere...I consider we are in the tribulation . This is all bible prophecy. I realize many of you disbelieve the Bible ..therefore you have negated a huge piece of the puzzle. I can't do a thing about that. Tones

[Unspun]

I'm truly sorry the movement isn't getting anywhere...I consider we are in the tribulation . This is all bible prophecy. I realize many of you disbelieve the Bible ..therefore you have negated a huge piece of the puzzle. I can't do a thing about that. Tones
lol so you are voting for McCain because the Bible told you so?

[TER]

There is nothing Christian in choosing riches over human lives.

[tonesforjonesbones]

McCain said, concerning Roe v Wade on The View, that the overturn of it meant it would be taken care of by the states. That is a constitutional thing to say. 10th amendment. I don't much care for McCain...but I dislike socialists more. I was going to vote for Bob Barr, but now he's dead in the water. I consider Palin, the best shot at getting a libertarian/republican in there..IF she can sway McCain or congress. I dunno. Respect? Well, I don't even know ya. I'm still a registered libertarian. I'm not wasting my vote on Baldwin. I would support him if he decides to run for congress. That's for sure. Tones

[torchbearer]

All the third party and liberty loving people in louisiana are meeting Sept 20th to unite across party lines to fight the republicrats.
I take pride in putting this together, and this is what everyone should be doing in their states.
We win by taking back our neighborhoods, unifying all people who want a constitutional republic, and in the near future, use the precinct tools provided by the CFL to become major players in our local/state/ and eventually federal elections.

With one promise... to never support another candidate who will not obey, and uphold the U.S. constitution.

[pinkmandy]

Hell no.

I don't understand RP folks voting for her. She is a neocon Christian EXTREMIST. Having someone who thinks this war is a Holy War is bad enough. Add to that someone who thinks the US needs to be cleansed of demons? Have you been saved? Do you want the govt to ensure you have been? :eek:

What is the modern version of the Salem witch trials?

[newyearsrevolution08]

There is nothing Christian in choosing riches over human lives.

+1

not that I am very christian anymore BUT I do agree.

[tonesforjonesbones]

The Holy Bible tells me we are in the tribulation. I don't like to discuss it with atheists because atheists don't understand it. It takes more than reading it once or twice to get some understanding of it. It must be broken down word for word..due to translations...to the root of the words . If you really want to discuss the bible I'd be glad to, if you only want to try to use it to discredit....I'll pass on that. Tones

[TER]

No such thing as holy war. All war is evil.

[torchbearer]

Hell no.

I don't understand RP folks voting for her. She is a neocon Christian EXTREMIST. Having someone who thinks this war is a Holy War is bad enough. Add to that someone who thinks the US needs to be cleansed of demons? Have you been saved? Do you want the govt to ensure you have been? :eek:

What is the modern version of the Salem witch trials?

http://www.lakesideschool.org/studentweb/worldhistory/reformation/images/inquisition.jpg

[tonesforjonesbones]

I'm for the liberty movement. It's a good idea to continue and see if things get better in 2012. For now, I support Palin. That doesn't mean I wont continue to work for liberty. Ron Paul said it will take a long time and I believe him. I really like G. Edward Griffin's Freedom Force. I believe that these organizations, if they truly want to spread the message, will not demand money from the activists other than donations and maybe fundraisers. They should be GIVING the activists the needed tools to do this very important work. If you have to spend money for materials...I believe they are in it for money...not for the mission. I dislike that. Tones

[amy31416]

The Holy Bible tells me we are in the tribulation. I don't like to discuss it with atheists because atheists don't understand it. It takes more than reading it once or twice to get some understanding of it. It must be broken down word for word..due to translations...to the root of the words . If you really want to discuss the bible I'd be glad to, if you only want to try to use it to discredit....I'll pass on that. Tones

What would Jesus do Tones? Would Jesus vote for an angry, angry dude and his cute sidekick who are both all about war for pipelines, oil, etc. without any regard for human life? Jesus probably wouldn't vote at all, except maybe for Paul. :p

Isn't Jesus supposed to be the model in Christianity? All of this stuff about horsemen, apocalypse, tribulation, rapture, etc. makes absolutely no sense in light of the fact that people who call themselves Christians are often not at all like Christ. I just don't get it.

[V-rod]

Is there anyone sticking to Republican ticket and voting for McCain?

I am unsure of what way to go. My dad sent me this message, comments?... (hes trying to get me to vote mccain)

"Once McCain is in there ,the market/economy will improve and the housing will start to recover. "Sammys" friends all have husbands on Wall St. and they are scared to death of Obama getting in. If he happens to win, everyone will dump investments subject to short term capital gains taxes, which he will at least double. If you saw his interview w/O'Rieley he told him on the air he will raise them to 30%-35%. O'reilly flipped and told him he'll be pulling his money out of stocks and into bonds and so will every other investor. He says at a 10% capitol gains tax the stocks are worth the risk. At 30% no way!By the way home builder stocks are up about 33% since July. The institutional investors have been buying them up, driving up the price. So apparently they think this is the bottom, or close enough so that they are worried about missing it."

I think your dad is putting a little too much faith on a elected McCain to get Wall Street back on track. But it does have a ring of truth.

I'm voting for Mccain, and I am not intimated by the people here when I admit that. I disagree with many of McCain's stances but I believe he will be solid on what he stated, (including psuedo amnesty, ugh!). I was on the fence on voting for McCain, and holding my nose on election day, but choosing Palin moved me to wanting to vote now.

I will remain a Republican and a conservative, and work within the party to address issues important to constitutional limited government conservatism.

[torchbearer]

. makes absolutely no sense in light of the fact that people who call themselves Christians are often not at all like Christ. I just don't get it.

I stopped trying to reconcile the prince of peace with pro-war christians a long time ago.

[Nic4Truth]

Hmmm.. all good stuff and interesting. and entertaining...lol

did anyone see this? How a vote for baldwin (or 3rd party) would likely take votes away from Obama....and not McCain (if you are mccain supporter- may be of interest)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtxRU2QXJ8Q&NR=1

[amy31416]

I stopped trying to reconcile the prince of peace with pro-war christians a long time ago.

Probably wise. You'd think that they, along with the Buddhists, would be the most anti-war individuals. But then again, I guess it wouldn't be as big as it is today without all the warmongering/crusades.

Shame.

[eloquensanity]

I LIKE Christian fundamentalism...I happen to be one. Tones

Hard to believe when you are talking about supporting "the beast system"

"By their fruits ye shall know them"
Mat 7:15-20

[torchbearer]

Probably wise. You'd think that they, along with the Buddhists, would be the most anti-war individuals. But then again, I guess it wouldn't be as big as it is today without all the warmongering/crusades.

Shame.

Here is an example of some of the early, pro-crusade/human butchering propaganda the church put out... its called Christ Pantocrator. (remember, only clergy could read, so Icon/pictures were for mass communication)
I call it bi-polar Jesus.
http://www.factsplusfacts.com/resources/Pictures/Pantocrator01.jpg

Here is what you do. Take a sheet of paper, and cover half of the picture. Where as, the paper cuts the figure of Jesus in half, and you only see one half of his body.
On the left side, is peace loving, caring Jesus.
On the right side is angry waring Jesus.

[tonesforjonesbones]

Amy I certainly understand your point. Jesus woudln't join a political party...that's for sure. Humans with greedy intentions use religion for their own agenda. All religions it seems like. If we really followed Jesus ...we wouldn't be concerned so much with the physical world...we would be concerned with the spiritual world. I listen to a minister , Arnold Murray, Shepherds Chapel. That is who I do my bible study with. I don't go to any building...I order his cd's. He breaks scripture down to the root words. Most christians attend churches and listen to some bible thumper spout his or her personal opinion on what scripture says...and they quote very little of Gods word...it's all about them. This is what confuses Christians. These are called false prophets. Hagee , Faldwell, Robertson are PRIME examples of people who use religion for an agenda. Their agenda is zionism. They are EVIL. If you truly want to understand scripture...if you go to www.shepherdschapel.org you can send for Arnold Murray's cd "The Mark of the Beast" for free, no shipping etc. I think you will find it interesting. He is the ONLY minister I have ever heard talk about the "beast with 7 heads" being a political system, New World Order, and the 7 heads are the 7 continents. Another great Christian source who speaks reality is Ted Pike. www.truthtellers.org There are 4 documentaries you can watch for free ...a lot of truth is there also. Tones

[Fox McCloud]

not voting for either one, though I honestly believe that McCain is going to win this election; I've thought that since the day we found out who both of the nominees would be.

[Nic4Truth]

Can you guys help me out again? I posted my response... this is what he said back. Probobly not worth arguing but i think hes watching too much fox 5. LOL. any comments....?


"Well That's the main area of disagreement I have with RP. I don't agree with his isolationist ideas. Sure it worked between 1776 and 1812 when the Atlantic ocean separated us from Europe. It bought us time, as a floundering newborn nation to survive long enough to gain enough prosperity and military strength to be able to win a war with a major foreign power. But that's not going to work any longer. War is bad, it's expensive, it costs human lives. BUT, there are many many people around the world, who for a variety of reasons and beliefs want to get us. If they don't have the means to do that right now, sooner or later they will, just like 9/11. You're probably a little too young to remember what 9/11 did to the US economy, but it took a couple of years to recover. If you're going to talk dollars, I would say the war is a bargain compared to what another attach would do to the US economy. The fact that we haven't had another attach, and the fact that it's been 7 years without one, have restored the faith of the American people and the world in the US economy, military and government. Another successful attach would bring that into question and we might recover and the financial costs would be staggering. What if the next attach is an actual nuclear weapon? You're talking about 100,000's dead and a whole city destroyed and uninhabitable a couple of generations. is that worth the risk. Are we better off going to fight over there, not here. I don't know, it's a tough question. The cost of doing it is huge. But what is the cost if we don't? "


thx

[angelatc]

I understand all that. The wars are for control of the oil. Bottom line. Hate it, but its the facts. Nobody is going to go against the oil industry. Unfortunately, oil will continue to control the world. The dollar is backed by oil now...not gold. I agree , we need a better system, but it ain't happenin in 2008. I have to go with the capitalists rather than the socialists...for now. Tones

With all due respect, you're actually going with the fascists over the socialists.

[angelatc]

Can you guys help me out again? I posted my response... this is what he said back. Probobly not worth arguing but i think hes watching too much fox 5. LOL. any comments....?


"Well That's the main area of disagreement I have with RP. I don't agree with his isolationist ideas. Sure it worked between 1776 and 1812 when the Atlantic ocean separated us from Europe. It bought us time, as a floundering newborn nation to survive long enough to gain enough prosperity and military strength to be able to win a war with a major foreign power. But that's not going to work any longer. War is bad, it's expensive, it costs human lives. BUT, there are many many people around the world, who for a variety of reasons and beliefs want to get us. If they don't have the means to do that right now, sooner or later they will, just like 9/11. You're probably a little too young to remember what 9/11 did to the US economy, but it took a couple of years to recover. If you're going to talk dollars, I would say the war is a bargain compared to what another attach would do to the US economy. The fact that we haven't had another attach, and the fact that it's been 7 years without one, have restored the faith of the American people and the world in the US economy, military and government. Another successful attach would bring that into question and we might recover and the financial costs would be staggering. What if the next attach is an actual nuclear weapon? You're talking about 100,000's dead and a whole city destroyed and uninhabitable a couple of generations. is that worth the risk. Are we better off going to fight over there, not here. I don't know, it's a tough question. The cost of doing it is huge. But what is the cost if we don't? "


thx

Ask him why he thinks we were attacked on 9/11? And the Twin Towers were attacked for the first time in Feb 1993. Second time September 2001. More than 8 years apart. So either Clinton also did a good job keeping us safe, or Bush is just making noise.

[Roxi]

i would rather this country went into a depression, rather than go to war with iran, russia, and china

obama = were screwed
mccain = were screwed

[tonesforjonesbones]

I hope you are putting away dried beans and rice then. Tones

[tonesforjonesbones]

The only thing that can be done is to continue to elect decent, moral ( YES I SAID MORAL) individuals to office. Ron Paul did make comments at his rally about morality. We live in an immoral society...it is Babylon. Tones

[Bruno]

no

[Grimnir Wotansvolk]

The only thing that can be done is to continue to elect decent, moral ( YES I SAID MORAL) individuals to office. Ron Paul did make comments at his rally about morality. We live in an immoral society...it is Babylon. TonesA) Christianity has no monopoly on morality. Its morals are arbitrary (lord's name in vain, sex, etc.), and never take into account actual cases of harm done to human beings

B) The biggest warmongering demographic in this country is Christian. Not all Christians are warmongers, obviously, but nearly all warmongers are Christians

[Mach]

I not into the whole entertainment thing but I do agree with Matt Damon and his 4000 year question to Palin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1c2BQ1WZl3w

[lasenorita]

I do agree with Matt Damon and his 4000 year question to Palin.

It was a practical joke. See Fake Governor Sarah Palin Quotes (http://www.unbearablebobness.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/08/governor-sarah-palin-quotes.html). I LOLed when I first read the claims -- they were that ridiculous. ;)

[libertarian4321]

Is there anyone sticking to Republican ticket and voting for McCain?

I am unsure of what way to go. My dad sent me this message, comments?... (hes trying to get me to vote mccain)

"Once McCain is in there ,the market/economy will improve and the housing will start to recover. "Sammys" friends all have husbands on Wall St. and they are scared to death of Obama getting in. If he happens to win, everyone will dump investments subject to short term capital gains taxes, which he will at least double. If you saw his interview w/O'Rieley he told him on the air he will raise them to 30%-35%. O'reilly flipped and told him he'll be pulling his money out of stocks and into bonds and so will every other investor. He says at a 10% capitol gains tax the stocks are worth the risk. At 30% no way!By the way home builder stocks are up about 33% since July. The institutional investors have been buying them up, driving up the price. So apparently they think this is the bottom, or close enough so that they are worried about missing it."

This is utter nonsense that the Republicans trot out every time they are behind- they said the same thing before Clinton got elected- they said "vote for Clinton and the stock market will tank!" I fell for it then, I won't fall for it again (of course, the stock market shot to the moon when Clinton was in office). Historically, the market has done better under Democrats than Republicans.

BTW, people will still invest in stocks if they are taxed as ordinary income- it wasn't all that many years ago that they were taxed at the same rates Obama is proposing- it didn't stop people from investing in the market because 1) the stock market is still the best long term game in town and 2) this will make stock gains equal to over investments for tax purposes- why would people "avoid" a 35% rate on stocks and instead put in into a savings account (at the same tax rate).

Bottom line: Your dad is Bull Shitting you.

I won't vote for McCain because I think he's crazy enough to start more pointless wars, up to and including war with Russia, and I KNOW Palin is crazy enough to do it.

If you don't like any of the third party candidates, you'd be better off NOT VOTING than voting for evil (McCain/Palin). Even if you believe they are the "lesser evil", they are still evil.

[anaconda]

Oh for God's sake grow a spine and vote 3rd Party.

[DAFTEK]

oh for god's sake grow a spine and vote 3rd party..

10q :D

[moostraks]

not voting for either one, though I honestly believe that McCain is going to win this election; I've thought that since the day we found out who both of the nominees would be.

+1

[moostraks]

Probably wise. You'd think that they, along with the Buddhists, would be the most anti-war individuals. But then again, I guess it wouldn't be as big as it is today without all the warmongering/crusades.

Shame.

Christians have been taken down the path again by an extremist mentality that uses the cohesion of religious beliefs to further a political agenda. I am more Anabaptist/Quaker in theology. I am on some lists with them and they(Anabaptists which is your Mennonites and Amish) do not as a group believe in voting. So you are not getting an equal representation on the Christians because of the non-resistance movements hesistance to engage in politics....

FWIW I am a thorn in their side trying to motivatate them as to how bad things can get if they sit idly by while the warmongers misrepresent Christians and Christian values.

[Nic4Truth]

oh for god's sake grow a spine and vote 3rd party..
10q

Thanks for telling me what to do. However, I happen to already be planning to vote 3rd party. I will vote for whom ever i choose to thank you very much and dont need to justify my vote to anyone. My dad, you, RP, MSM, my husband, -- no one is going to "tell" me who to vote for, and Ron paul wouldn't condone that and you know it. Its not in his beliefs to tell you exactly how to live your life! I think that is why he wont back any specific candidate. He believes in freedom of choice. While Im not going to vote just b/c MSM paints a pretty picture, Im not going to just vote 3rd party either until ive done my homework. that is why im here.....

Is there something wrong with coming here and equipping myself with something more then what i can gain from watching MSMs lies and contradictions and utter bull.....? Don't you think more people should do similarly rather than, say, vote for Bush just b/c daddy says so....?

As well, I am trying to bring even more along with me once I have the equipment and info necessary. Is there something wrong with that? Then my husband, family and others will be properly informed from a well researched background, rather then the same ol same ol. I happen to have convinced many a family member to vote for RP in the primaries. And let me tell you- it was no easy feat. I am growing a spine, but i want others to grow one along with me.

[LittleLightShining]

Is there anyone sticking to Republican ticket and voting for McCain?

I am unsure of what way to go. My dad sent me this message, comments?... (hes trying to get me to vote mccain)

"Once McCain is in there ,the market/economy will improve and the housing will start to recover. "Sammys" friends all have husbands on Wall St. and they are scared to death of Obama getting in. If he happens to win, everyone will dump investments subject to short term capital gains taxes, which he will at least double. If you saw his interview w/O'Rieley he told him on the air he will raise them to 30%-35%. O'reilly flipped and told him he'll be pulling his money out of stocks and into bonds and so will every other investor. He says at a 10% capitol gains tax the stocks are worth the risk. At 30% no way!By the way home builder stocks are up about 33% since July. The institutional investors have been buying them up, driving up the price. So apparently they think this is the bottom, or close enough so that they are worried about missing it."Ummmm.. no.

[amy31416]

Christians have been taken down the path again by an extremist mentality that uses the cohesion of religious beliefs to further a political agenda. I am more Anabaptist/Quaker in theology. I am on some lists with them and they(Anabaptists which is your Mennonites and Amish) do not as a group believe in voting. So you are not getting an equal representation on the Christians because of the non-resistance movements hesistance to engage in politics....

FWIW I am a thorn in their side trying to motivatate them as to how bad things can get if they sit idly by while the warmongers misrepresent Christians and Christian values.

Ahh, my mistake, I often forget about the Quakers. I read up on them a while back and they certainly seem principled. I'll have to read up on them again.

And good for you for being a thorn in their side. :)

[moostraks]

I'm truly sorry the movement isn't getting anywhere...I consider we are in the tribulation . This is all bible prophecy. I realize many of you disbelieve the Bible ..therefore you have negated a huge piece of the puzzle. I can't do a thing about that. Tones

One of the problems with using Bible prophecy is you don't know when that prophecy is written for and exactly how much is metaphorical. We are in this mess thanks in large part to various sects forcing the prophecy to ring in a new age of humankind.The prophecy works are written to be guideposts that we are headed in the wrong direction and we are to endeavor not to engage in things which bring us down that path.

One of the reasons for not utilizing fortune telling is because our selfish nature wants us to use the information to force natural events to bend to these preconceived notions.Thus we play god rather than making rational decisions with the future. If Christians would stop trying to mold every word of revelations into modern day events we might get a bit more energy headed into eliminating that mindset that only sees the glory of the end is at hand...(Or that thinks that if we are in His army I don't have to worry about that mortgage because the rapture is coming, the rapture is coming..)

Palin is a bigger nightmare than McCain (and I did not think that was possible).TPTB currently have us in check. They managed to put Huckabee in a dress without the offensiveness of having a minister in power.Our alternative is "the messiah" Obama. Ugh...Since we all know that third party is a long shot,LP was our best chance of name recognition without the religious overtones.They ruined that handily and I would welcome any reasonable thoughts that does not look as gloomy as things look now. I think they won the battle this cycle, so forewarned is forearmed. I say we expect the best and prepare for the worst. Vote your conscience.

[moostraks]

Ahh, my mistake, I often forget about the Quakers. I read up on them a while back and they certainly seem principled. I'll have to read up on them again.

And good for you for being a thorn in their side. :)

They have a very broad tent and include many Buddhists and Unitarians now, too. They believe that the spirit is what motivates people and scripture isn't the absolute last word of knowledge. I was Wiccan previously so it appeals to that side of my nature.

Enjoy your research. They are a really neat group!

[tonesforjonesbones]

Atheists will never understand Christians. That's all there is to it. Tones

[The_Orlonater]

Why the hell is this a thread?

I'm still voting for Barr, regardless what I think of his disgusting campaign and shitty VP choice. I know it was disgusting of him to miss RP's third party meetup, or convention. I am just voting for him for his somewhat libertarian views. At least he admits he somewhat changed, but you people are arguing about who's less of a corporatist. I don't care about his past, he's not arguing for what McCain and Obama want.

Just vote for Nader, Barr, or Baldwin.

I'd vote based on who's doing the best in your state, though.

[anaconda]

Thanks for telling me what to do.

I'm not telling anyone who to vote for. There are third Party candidates all the way from the far left to the far right who are not answerable to the military/industrial/banking complex, all of which are great candidates. They all embrace the "Four-Point" platform put forth at the Washington Press Club event (unlike either of McBama). But I stand guilty as accused of telling people not to vote for McBama. Sorry for sounding pushy about that. Sort of.