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nobody's_hero
09-11-2008, 08:30 PM
I am not going to run from the Libertarian party, following yesterday's events. I have drafted a letter to be sent to Russ Verney and the Bob Barr campaign staff. I don't like the direction I see the party going, but I simply cannot see myself supporting any other 3rd party candidates at the moment. Honestly, I am still very confused. But, this is liberty: Raw, unedited, unscripted. Perhaps now, I will not participate in the 2008 presidential election (though I still fully intend to elect liberty candidates to congress). However, I have a plan:




Attn: Bob Barr and Campaign Staff

First and foremost, in response to your recent campaign update “Principled Leadership in Times of Crisis”:

I'll thank you cease and desist with the Bush praises and talk of his 'leadership.' By the time he got to New York to 'stand on top of firetrucks', the attacks were over. The real leaders were the sergeants, lieutenants, captains, and chiefs of the police and fire departments who were actually present when the shit was hitting the fan – those who died as a result of the collapse of the towers, and those who found themselves in reduced company during the chaotic moments immediately following the collapses. Do not dishonor those rescue workers by stretching the examples of "leadership" to include our president.

The name George W. Bush SHOULD NOT come to mind when using such terms. That CRIMINAL duped myself and a great number of Americans into believing all the hype about Iraq, and leading us into an unjust war on the coat-tails of a 'patriotic' euphoria. During such time, our Constitution has been ignored and our Bill of Rights bastardized. As long as there is air in my lungs, THAT is to be the legacy of this president (and congress). Praise him if you must, but do it on McCain's website where such crap is to be expected.

Secondly, if Barr does not take criticism well, he'd best brace himself; Ron Paul's supporters are among the most critical cats in the herd. You would not believe how often we'd hear that someone's grassroots idea was just plain stupid, and I don't think I need to repeat all the things said about news anchors during the MSM blackout. Even Ron Paul was not safe from criticism, as a few of us felt that his campaign update videos were somewhat 'cheesy,' with some young adults shown on video listening to what he had to say.

You think, perhaps, I am rude and condescending. Well, I have unfortunate news for you:

I am not leaving! This former Republican-supporter intends to join the Libertarian party now more than ever - because I won't stand by helplessly and watch another well-founded party be rammed into the ground by impostors. Of all the third parties, I still support the principles of the Libertarian party, because I believe such principles to be the healthiest for our country. Therefore, I believe it is time that the Libertarian party started behaving like a "party of principle."

I cannot speak for the people who renounced the Libertarian party following the events of September 10, 2008. I think, perhaps, these people were already orphans in a political world. The truth of the matter is: these people fully understand what is at stake, and they feel that Ron Paul is the best man for the job. They've had high hopes that he would run as a third-party candidate, and he has stated time and time again that he will not. Having said that, they can vote for whomever they choose. They’re also free to not vote at all. You need to stop acting like the ‘agenda of liberty’ is threatened if people have more choices. Pure liberty includes the right to make wrong political choices (and that of course, depends on one’s view of what is right or wrong).

The ‘3rd Party conference’ was about four basic principles. Supporters of a weak coalition of 3rd parties could stop strangling each other long enough to stand together on stage agree that some rights, which we all enjoy, have been flushed away. I cannot remember the last time Republicans and Democrats came together and it resulted in any actual benefit to the citizens of this country, and while the mere meeting of these 3rd parties is not enough to restore those rights, it was a huge step in the right direction. Unfortunately, the best excuse this campaign staff can provide for Barr's absence is that he basically couldn't afford to be seen on stage with socialists, or that Ron Paul is now a ‘cult of personality.’ Well, well, well: Bob Barr is threatened by 3rd party candidates. For a guy who is fighting tooth-and-nail to get on ballots in as many states as possible, doesn’t that just ring a bell?

Following this particular press release “Principled Leadership in Times of Crisis”, I no longer feel that Bob Barr is the best candidate for this party’s future – at least, not if it truly expects to make good on its principles. For this reason, I am signing the ipetition calling for the Libertarian party to remove Bob Barr from its 2008 ticket. I understand that to actually remove Barr from the ballot at this time is impractical, if not impossible, but I intend to “send them a message.” I certainly will not be sending any further donations to Libertarian presidential campaigns, until I can be convinced that the nominee fully supports the principles of the party. I am deeply resentful of Bob Barr and this campaign staff for compelling me to take this position, but I look forward to joining the Libertarian party.

In closing, I re-affirm my DUTY to hold ALL elected officials accountable for their actions.

Signed,

Truth Warrior
09-12-2008, 04:05 AM
I hereby announce my refusal to give a damn. :D

m72mc
09-12-2008, 04:08 AM
I just think everyone should vote and vote for a candidate according to their conscience

amy31416
09-12-2008, 04:44 AM
Not a bad idea, but for now I just don't care about taking on yet another political partry.

Oh, and if you haven't sent the letter already, it's spelled impostors.

nobody's_hero
09-12-2008, 05:19 AM
Well, thanks for proving my point, you critics. :p

All in all, I think if someone is running for political office, and can't handle criticism, that candidate ought to find another line of work. I just feel that it isn't enough to drop my support for the Libertarian candidate, I have to let the Libertarian "leadership" know that if they keep choosing these kinds of "leaders," they'll always be a 3rd party.

The spelling has been noted:

Incidentally, an "imposter" is one who imposes taxes.

Indeed, I meant for the word to be "impostor", a person who practices deception.

Some dictionaries allow for both spellings for the latter, but perhaps the tax thing is a sign. :(

Edit: I don't really want to take on another party at the moment; I suppose this is more of a long term plan.

I was inspired after reading this article written by the LP co-founder David Nolan: http://www.nolanchart.com/article4805.html

amy31416
09-12-2008, 05:40 AM
Well, thanks for proving my point, you critics. :p

All in all, I think if someone is running for political office, and can't handle criticism, that candidate ought to find another line of work. I just feel that it isn't enough to drop my support for the Libertarian candidate, I have to let the Libertarian "leadership" know that if they keep choosing these kinds of "leaders," they'll always be a 3rd party.

The spelling has been noted:

Incidentally, an "imposter" is one who imposes taxes.

Indeed, I meant for the word to be "impostor", a person who practices deception.

Some dictionaries allow for both spellings for the latter, but perhaps the tax thing is a sign. :(

Edit: I don't really want to take on another party at the moment; I suppose this is more of a long term plan.

I was inspired after reading this article written by the LP co-founder David Nolan: http://www.nolanchart.com/article4805.html

Ahh, thanks for the vocab lesson on impostor/imposter--didn't know that.

If the LP addresses this major schism is a respectable way, I'm on board with them. If they continue to support Barr, I just can't do it.

As you may/may not know, for what it's worth, we started a petition to remove Barr. Sign/promote if you like: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/RemoveBobBar/index.html

nobody's_hero
09-12-2008, 05:49 AM
Ahh, thanks for the vocab lesson on impostor/imposter--didn't know that.

If the LP addresses this major schism is a respectable way, I'm on board with them. If they continue to support Barr, I just can't do it.

As you may/may not know, for what it's worth, we started a petition to remove Barr. Sign/promote if you like: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/RemoveBobBar/index.html

I just learned the vocab lesson myself :). I am not holding my breath for Russ Verney to issue an apology. However, I will work in 2010 to promote true libertarians for congressional seats. I think we are not as divided as we think, but if we can get into all of these parties and start igniting the brushfires of liberty in their minds, we might have a truly unified political force come 2012 (if our country is still in existence :mad:)

That is the petition I referred to and signed. #643 :)

Truth Warrior
09-12-2008, 05:49 AM
I just think everyone should vote and vote for a candidate according to their conscience My conscience says, DON'T VOTE.

The Illegality, Immorality, and Violence of All Political Action
http://users.aol.com/xeqtr1/voluntaryist/vopa.html

amy31416
09-12-2008, 06:01 AM
I just learned the vocab lesson myself :). I am not holding my breath for Russ Verney to issue an apology. However, I will work in 2010 to promote true libertarians for congressional seats. I think we are not as divided as we think, but if we can get into all of these parties and start igniting the brushfires of liberty in their minds, we might have a truly unified political force come 2012 (if our country is still in existence :mad:)

That is the petition I referred to and signed. #643 :)

Thanks!

Whatever the Barr campaign does doesn't matter to me anymore. They are either grossly incompetent, stupid or intentionally messing stuff up. I'd like to see the LP step up somehow.

The one other hesitation that I have about the LP is the Eric Dondero breed of "libertarian." But I guess having more RP-type libertarians would help put them in the minority.

nobody's_hero
09-12-2008, 06:09 AM
My conscience says, DON'T VOTE.

The Illegality, Immorality, and Violence of All Political Action
http://users.aol.com/xeqtr1/voluntaryist/vopa.html

I think as Ron Paul sees it, you are a more valuable asset to our political force if you are a principled non-voter, than if you are one of those non-voting Americans simply because American Idol or the football game (or something) was on and you didn't have time to make it to the polls.

Clearly, you are principled.

acptulsa
09-12-2008, 06:43 AM
I have been known to vote blindly for Libertarian Party candidates over the years. I have definitely checked the box next to a name I didn't even know and that big L.

Never, ever again. I'll vote for them, but I won't do it on faith.

Razorback Fan
09-12-2008, 07:03 AM
Your letter sucks, but not because I disagree with it. Actually, I basically agree. You just shouldn't assume that anyone at the Barr campaign or the LP has time to read it. I think you should condense it to three concise paragraphs that capture your main points.

By the way, I renewed my membership to the LP yesterday, but I, too, will be considering future candidates carefully rather than blindly voting LP, which I have always done until now. I am wary of neocons looking for a new home with relatively easy ballot access.

SnappleLlama
09-12-2008, 07:04 AM
Your letter sucks, but not because I disagree with it. Actually, I basically agree. You just shouldn't assume that anyone at the Barr campaign or the LP has time to read it. I think you should condense it to three concise paragraphs that capture your main points.

By the way, I renewed my membership to the LP yesterday, but I, too, will be considering future candidates carefully rather than blindly voting LP, which I have always done until now. I am wary of neocons looking for a new home with relatively easy ballot access.

I agree....and are you from Arkansas? ;)

Truth Warrior
09-12-2008, 07:06 AM
I think as Ron Paul sees it, you are a more valuable asset to our political force if you are a principled non-voter, than if you are one of those non-voting Americans simply because American Idol or the football game (or something) was on and you didn't have time to make it to the polls.

Clearly, you are principled. Yep, that's pretty much my analysis and view of Ron's consistent position too. :)

Thanks for noticing, BTW. ;)

Truth Warrior
09-12-2008, 07:08 AM
I have been known to vote blindly for Libertarian Party candidates over the years. I have definitely checked the box next to a name I didn't even know and that big L.

Never, ever again. I'll vote for them, but I won't do it on faith. Ah, the faithless vote. :cool: Well, at least it may be a start to some progress. :D

speciallyblend
09-12-2008, 07:09 AM
ok letter but i voted letter sucks ,what you do not understand is barr is done , his actions speaks louder then his lying words, we can see and smell the BS from colorado

Razorback Fan
09-12-2008, 08:11 AM
I agree....and are you from Arkansas? ;)

Woo Pig Sooie!

SnappleLlama
09-12-2008, 08:15 AM
Woo Pig Sooie!

LOL! I used to live there...awesome! Welcome to the boards! :D

Knightskye
09-12-2008, 08:18 AM
I voted "by mail".

6.67% = common sense.

That's about what Ron Paul got in most primaries.

speciallyblend
09-12-2008, 08:24 AM
I have contacted the Colorado Libertarian Party. I have an email for contact asap.
If you live in COLORADO and you want to send a POWERFUL MESSAGE to the COLP/NLP, then please post here or im me in rpforums.
I have talked to the head of the COLP and he told me that every email would be sent to the leaders in colorado and national(UNFILTERED), so if your frustrated with the lp and barr,then this is our way to be HEARD AND SPEAK UP .
IF YOU LIVE IN COLORADO OR WANT TO WRITE A POWERFUL LETTER, THEN CONTACT ME ASAP.......
I have an email address but i do not want to post it here,but instant message asap!!!!! than you kenny

THIS IS 100% SERIOUS and our feelings are pretty much in line with many in THE COLP and NLP,so the time is now TO STAND UP AND BE HEARD!!!!!

NOTE TO FORUM MEMBERS,if you have something to say and you are not from colorado, and have something to say ,then im me as well