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robertwerden
09-10-2008, 10:25 PM
I watched the Cavuto interview, and I have to say, and deep in your heart you will agree, Ron's major announcement press conference was a let down.

We all thought he would announce a single candidate to throw his weight behind and he did not.

I realize Barr's spokesman said some pretty mean things on a blog. Fuck him.

Lets look at the bottom line though.

Bob Barr is on enough ballots to get 270 electoral votes. DING DING!

He has a fighting chance at winning if we grass roots his ass better than we did Paul.

Fuck Obama and McCain

He spoke the truth about the blown opportunity Ron had with the press conference. Insults aside, don't we all just want the truth, no matter how much it hurts our feelings about Ron?

Ron if your being told about these posts, please take Bob up on the VP slot. You don't have to sacrifice your congressional seat to be his VP.

Whats more important, the congressional seat or the White House.
Fuck make a move already you old bastard. (with sincere love I say that)

Jeremy
09-10-2008, 10:26 PM
ya, and there was a lot of damage done to barr's support. i agree with you. i almost stopped supporting him, but i realized that was silly

Barr was simply sending a message that freedom is more important than "just voting for anyone"

i still think he should have gone, but i at least see where he's coming from

Rangeley
09-10-2008, 10:28 PM
Whats more important, the congressional seat or the White House.
Fuck make a move already you old bastard. (with sincere love I say that)
:rolleyes:

RonPaulFever
09-10-2008, 10:28 PM
I'm not as mad now at Barr as I was 5 hours ago

I'm not mad, but there's no way in Hell I'm still voting for him.

Baldwin/Castle '08

nate895
09-10-2008, 10:29 PM
Yeah, I realized he was right as well. Bob Barr did do something gutsy, but Ron Paul didn't this time. So what? Everyone makes mistake and Dr. Paul is no exception.

ArrestPoliticians
09-10-2008, 10:29 PM
This is just strike 3.

#1 Voting for Iraq war/Patriot Act

#2 Picking total racist neo-con tool Wayne Root as his running mate

#3 Breaking rank and doing his own lame publicity stunt at the expense of this country.

Spider-Man
09-10-2008, 10:29 PM
I'm sorry, I can't vote for Bob Barr after what he did.

Unless he were to issue a genuine apology to everyone, by name:
Campaign For Liberty (organizers)
Ron Paul
Ralph Nader
Chuck Baldwin
Cynthia McKinney
and all supporters of all candidates
in addition to all members of the press who attended

Only then could I even consider forgiving him and casting a vote for him.

But no apology is forthcoming, in fact just the opposite: Barr goes on Cavuto and smears the whole effort as having "no point." He pulls some VP offer stunt as phony damage control. His staff writes disgraceful, condescending, and disparaging remarks about Paul and his supporters.

I have already thrown some money at Baldwin, and already have plans to get involved in my state for him. Once I get started, I'm not turning back, apology or not.

JosephTheLibertarian
09-10-2008, 10:30 PM
I watched the Cavuto interview, and I have to say, and deep in your heart you will agree, Ron's major announcement press conference was a let down.

We all thought he would announce a single candidate to throw his weight behind and he did not.

I realize Barr's spokesman said some pretty mean things on a blog. Fuck him.

Lets look at the bottom line though.

Bob Barr is on enough ballots to get 270 electoral votes. DING DING!

He has a fighting chance at winning if we grass roots his ass better than we did Paul.

Fuck Obama and McCain

He spoke the truth about the blown opportunity Ron had with the press conference. Insults aside, don't we all just want the truth, no matter how much it hurts our feelings about Ron?

Ron if your being told about these posts, please take Bob up on the VP slot. You don't have to sacrifice your congressional seat to be his VP.

Whats more important, the congressional seat or the White House.
Fuck make a move already you old bastard. (with sincere love I say that)

Ron Paul's "announcement" was stupid. That's my blunt opinion. Typcally, an announcement involves something new and exciting.... all we received were third party talking points. Useless.

mudhoney
09-10-2008, 10:31 PM
I thought that Barr's action today was not right, simply. I was never filled with rage like a lot of people around here though.

RedLightning
09-10-2008, 10:32 PM
I'm still mad. I may end up voting Barr, but right now I'm supporting Baldwin.

Jeremy
09-10-2008, 10:32 PM
I'm sorry, I can't vote for Bob Barr after what he did.

Unless he were to issue a genuine apology to everyone, by name:
Campaign For Liberty (organizers)
Ron Paul
Ralph Nader
Chuck Baldwin
Cynthia McKinney
and all supporters of all candidates
in addition to all members of the press who attended

Only then could I even consider forgiving him and casting a vote for him.

But no apology is forthcoming, in fact just the opposite: Barr goes on Cavuto and smears the whole effort as having "no point." He pulls some VP offer stunt as phony damage control. His staff writes disgraceful, condescending, and disparaging remarks about Paul and his supporters.

I have already thrown some money at Baldwin, and already have plans to get involved in my state for him. Once I get started, I'm not turning back, apology or not.

what specifically do you believe he should apologize for?

robertwerden
09-10-2008, 10:33 PM
I cant tell a Paul supporter what to do, no one died and appointed me god.

We all know though that splitting our vote will not give us a win.

Chuck is a write in on almost every state, so he wont be counted in the election.

Bob is on the Ballots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We need to get passed this petty shit and take out fucking country back.

tropicangela
09-10-2008, 10:33 PM
i admire Dr. Paul for what he did today.

Spider-Man
09-10-2008, 10:33 PM
Ron Paul's "announcement" was stupid. That's my blunt opinion. Typcally, an announcement involves something new and exciting.... all we received were third party talking points. Useless.

Ron Paul's "stupid" announcement landed him on the Situation Room alongside Ralph Nader, landed him a brief spot on Beck's show, and numerous mentions on multiple mass media outlets. It may or may not have also helped Baldwin get onto Lou Dobbs, and probably helped out everyone who attended.

It got people talking. It is not stupid. It set the agenda for the CFL with regard to what we should be doing this election year. Don't support McCain or Obama, support a third-party candidate of your choosing.

That's not stupid, that's direction. That's bringing people together to talk about important shit, and in turn get it talked about in the MSM.

0zzy
09-10-2008, 10:33 PM
I'm voting for Barr! I always was.

idiom
09-10-2008, 10:33 PM
Those four point provide a unity platform whether you see it or not.

Ron Paul is attempting to set the debate for *everybody*.

revolutionary8
09-10-2008, 10:34 PM
I will NEVER FORGET. But then again, that is just how I am, ;) and probably how you would NOT like me to be. ;)

ARealConservative
09-10-2008, 10:34 PM
I'm not mad, but there's no way in Hell I'm still voting for him.

Baldwin/Castle '08

You weren't before this either though

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1533994#post1533994

Alawn
09-10-2008, 10:35 PM
I'll still vote for the guy but that was the dumbest move ever on his part and I am still mad about it. Basically he is mad Ron Paul didn't give him a full 100% endorsement. Saying vote for one of these 4 and arguing to let him into the debates wasn't good enough for him. That and he doesn't want to admit that Baldwin exists and has a similar platform.

Ron Paul didn't want to pick between Barr and Baldwin to endorse so he did this. There is no way this wont backfire on Barr. Ron Paul supporters are his base. And I'm sure Ron took this personally and will think twice about doing something with him again.

revolutionary8
09-10-2008, 10:35 PM
i admire Dr. Paul for what he did today.
he has balls of steel. BB oto is a ______

JosephTheLibertarian
09-10-2008, 10:35 PM
Ron Paul's "stupid" announcement landed him on the Situation Room alongside Ralph Nader, landed him a brief spot on Beck's show, and numerous mentions on multiple mass media outlets. It may or may not have also helped Baldwin get onto Lou Dobbs, and probably helped out everyone who attended.

It got people talking. It is not stupid. It set the agenda for the CFL with regard to what we should be doing this election year. Don't support McCain or Obama, support a third-party candidate of your choosing.

That's not stupid, that's direction. That's bringing people together to talk about important shit, and in turn get it talked about in the MSM.

Ah ok. You do know that Baldwin is not going to make any impact at all, right? All you Baldeads are doing is assisting in fracturing America's third largest party. You'll see come November...

speciallyblend
09-10-2008, 10:37 PM
i am done with barr, i will never forget,plus i have many more reasons but barr/lp ticket is done.....

Spider-Man
09-10-2008, 10:37 PM
The quicker the LP dies, the quicker something can take its place.

revolutionary8
09-10-2008, 10:37 PM
You weren't before this either though

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1533994#post1533994

Okay, let's hear the "I told you so". :D

JosephTheLibertarian
09-10-2008, 10:37 PM
i am done with barr, i will never forget,plus i have many more reasons but barr/lp ticket is done.....

Still voting for Obama? ;)

Jeremy
09-10-2008, 10:38 PM
i am done with barr, i will never forget,plus i have many more reasons but barr/lp ticket is done.....

you were never supporting him

stop trying to pretend that this event "converted" you :rolleyes:

heath.whiteaker
09-10-2008, 10:38 PM
Barr lost my support. Especially after his field director Ferguson's stupid blog.

RonPaulFever
09-10-2008, 10:38 PM
You weren't before this either though

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1533994#post1533994

That was three months ago, and I flip-flopped several times before I finally decided to vote for Barr. That was, until today.

JosephTheLibertarian
09-10-2008, 10:38 PM
The quicker the LP dies, the quicker something can take its place.

Yeah, until you destroy the next party that takes its place... all the while statism grows exponentially, year by year.

robertwerden
09-10-2008, 10:40 PM
Bob Barr is shit hot right now in the polls. We can spam those polls to hell, and get more attention.

Fuck the man ate Borats tit cheese for god sake, he has balls.

xtravar
09-10-2008, 10:40 PM
Ron if your being told about these posts, please take Bob up on the VP slot. You don't have to sacrifice your congressional seat to be his VP.


"Dear God, if you can hear me right now, I'd like a pony."
Give it up. God ain't gonna give you a dang pony!

I pretty much agree with the other stuff you said. Except being angry. I would have voted Libertarian Party this year no matter who the nominee was.

Yeah, Bob Barr's kinda goofy and kinda dumb. He has a weird mustache and big ears and a funny voice. He could also be an egocentric megalomaniac.

Fact is, though, he's not going to win. And every vote he gets this time will aid in getting the Libertarian Party more votes next time. The more exposure we can pull in to the LP, the better.

Some may be disgruntled with the LP, but who cares? It's the only party with a platform that I think all of us can agree with. The LP has to follow its platform - and if it doesn't, then its leaders will be replaced, and it will follow its platform again.

To have a strong third party showing would be incredible. If Bob Barr got double digits, that would send a strong message to the establishment - not that we support Bob Barr, but that we support what he's saying and the platform which he's running under. This in turn would cause the LP to get larger, and the other parties to try to capture its demographic, further aiding in our mission to take back the Republican Party.

All this cult of personality quibbling is sickening. That's what the major parties do; we're supposed to be better than that.

revolutionary8
09-10-2008, 10:46 PM
All this cult of personality quibbling is sickening. That's what the major parties do; we're supposed to be better than that.
OFFS! Note to "Libertarians" - STOP CALLING US A CULT. Your CATOman Weigel tried that early on- FAIL.
http://bp2.blogger.com/_VRd_zSZxTQE/SDRS5IVMKaI/AAAAAAAAANU/H5Xnx-z0miA/s400/image%5B1%5D.jpg

anaconda
09-10-2008, 10:46 PM
I'm switching from Barr to Nader or Baldwin.

Melissa
09-10-2008, 10:47 PM
Ah ok. You do know that Baldwin is not going to make any impact at all, right? All you Baldeads are doing is assisting in fracturing America's third largest party. You'll see come November...

I really don't mean to be harsh but don't you see this to me sounds like what I am fighting. Sub Dem or Republican in your sentence and it could be them saying it. I thought this was about an idea not a party

JosephTheLibertarian
09-10-2008, 10:47 PM
I'm switching from Barr to Nader or Baldwin.

And why would we care? Another ineffctive vote for someone you don't really believe in. :rolleyes: Atleast we know who the sheep are. Nader wants universal healthcare for fuck's sake ha

JosephTheLibertarian
09-10-2008, 10:49 PM
I really don't mean to be harsh but don't you see this to me sounds like what I am fighting. Sub Dem or Republican in your sentence and it could be them saying it. I thought this was about an idea not a party

Ideas can't go anywhere without a party. You can day dream all you want while we slip more and more into statism. That's fine. Let the big-government proponents have all the power.

revolutionary8
09-10-2008, 10:49 PM
And we care, why? Another ineffctive vote for someone you don't really believe in. :rolleyes: Atleast we know who the sheep are. Nader wants universal healthcare for fuck's sake ha
If you "believe" Bob Barr, "we" are WELL AWARE of who you (sheeple) "believe in"- no matter what they do/say/how they act/how they VOTE...
yer done JTL. Give it upz. I would say that "you deserve to be shot in the face and left gurgling in your blood", but I am not a violent person, and do not wish physical harm upon anyone.

heavenlyboy34
09-10-2008, 10:52 PM
At this point, being in the LP is mostly a philosophical choice. The electoral system is rigged so that one of the bought-off Rs or Ds wins. I'm hoping that the party can survive this Barr stuff and get back to principles. That said, I hope this year's crapola is a catalyst that brings substance back to national elections and eliminates the fluff.
That's the kind of stuff that counts in the long term, yes?

Who cares if you win an election if you sell your soul to do it?:eek:

JosephTheLibertarian
09-10-2008, 10:52 PM
If you "believe" Bob Barr, "we" are WELL AWARE of who you (sheeple) "believe in"- no matter what they do/say/how they act/how they VOTE...
yer done JTL. Give it upz.

I'm done? What do I have to do with it? You're the one voing for socialist. Not me.

slacker921
09-10-2008, 10:54 PM
I just checked.. there were 2,341 articles on Google news in the last 24hrs that related to "bob barr".... his site was crushed by the load several times today..

For every Paul supporter who is mad.. I'd bet there is at least one new Barr supporter.

I'll probably still vote for him because he's the only 3rd party candidate on the NC ballot (unless I write in Nader or McKinney and while I'm for 3rd parties.. um... no) and the Libertarian party needs every vote it can get in NC to stay on the ballot. But I'm still not happy. People (reportedly) said and did some really stupid things - and if this is any indication of how things would be.. .ugh.

revolutionary8
09-10-2008, 10:54 PM
I'm done? What do I have to do with it? You're the one voing for socialist. Not me.

hmmm, I thought I was voting for a theocrat? LMAO fool.
Know your enemies.

JosephTheLibertarian
09-10-2008, 10:55 PM
Atleast Bob Barr isn't in a neocon party :)

JosephTheLibertarian
09-10-2008, 10:56 PM
hmmm, I thought I was voting for a theocrat? LMAO fool.

Personal attack.

It seems like you people just cannot talk to me without lunging personal attacks. Then again, you are xtians afterall...

Bradley in DC
09-10-2008, 10:57 PM
#2 Picking total racist neo-con tool Wayne Root as his running mate

No, he didn't. The LP national convention delegates did. :p

Barr did ask Dr. Paul to be his veep instead. ;)

Spider-Man
09-10-2008, 11:00 PM
It seems like you people just cannot talk to me without lunging personal attacks. Then again, you are xtians afterall...

Generalize much?

anaconda
09-10-2008, 11:00 PM
If you "believe" Bob Barr, "we" are WELL AWARE of who you (sheeple) "believe in"- no matter what they do/say/how they act/how they VOTE...
yer done JTL.

Thanks for your support, revolutionary8. I think that a vote for any of the 3rd party candidates that signed on to the 4 point plan today is a moral and worthwhile vote. This 4 point solidarity today is god damn brilliant and, as far as I know, unprecedented in election history. Every person voting 3rd party feels so alone and marginalized. So this platform commonality is great. If Dr. Paul's greatest achievement is to popularize the notion of breaking the "two-party," non-choice stranglehold, then more power to him. I don't believe anyone voting for Baldwin or McKinney or Nader would be best characterized as a "sheeple."

revolutionary8
09-10-2008, 11:01 PM
No, he didn't. The LP national convention delegates did. :p

Barr did ask Dr. Paul to be his veep instead. ;)

grrrrrrrrrrr. he also asked him the SAME QUESTION months ago!!!!! RP said NO! And RP was asked AGAIN AND AGAIN THE SAME QUESTION- WHAT DID HE SAY? And RP has been saying OVER AND OVER that he would never run 3rd party!

Let me ask you Bradley,
If RP shifted to the LP, would he still win his congressional seat in the Red State of Texas?

JosephTheLibertarian
09-10-2008, 11:02 PM
Thanks for your support, revolutionary8. I think that a vote for any of the 3rd party candidates that signed on to the 4 point plan today is a moral and worthwhile vote. This 4 point solidarity today is god damn brilliant and, as far as I know, unprecedented in election history. Every person voting 3rd party feels so alone and marginalized. If Dr. Paul's greatest achievement is to popularize the notion of breaking the "two-party," non-choice stranglehold, then more power to him. I don't believe anyone voting for Baldwin or McKinney or Nader would be best characterized as a "sheeple."

Voting for someone that wants to ban porn or create universal healthcare IS stupid imo. Very stupid. But that's my opinion :D

JosephTheLibertarian
09-10-2008, 11:03 PM
grrrrrrrrrrr. he also asked him the SAME QUESTION months ago!!!!! RP said NO! And RP was asked AGAIN AND AGAIN THE SAME QUESTION- WHAT DID HE SAY? And RP has been saying OVER AND OVER that he would never run 3rd party!

Let me ask you Bradley,
If RP shifted to the LP, would he still win his congressional seat in the Red State of Texas?

"grrrr" I can tell you don't tolerate dissent. Is that why you do that? Holding in the personal attacks? ;)

revolutionary8
09-10-2008, 11:04 PM
Thanks for your support, revolutionary8. I think that a vote for any of the 3rd party candidates that signed on to the 4 point plan today is a moral and worthwhile vote. This 4 point solidarity today is god damn brilliant and, as far as I know, unprecedented in election history. Every person voting 3rd party feels so alone and marginalized. So this platform commonality is great. If Dr. Paul's greatest achievement is to popularize the notion of breaking the "two-party," non-choice stranglehold, then more power to him. I don't believe anyone voting for Baldwin or McKinney or Nader would be best characterized as a "sheeple."

unprcecidented is right! Balls of steel that RP has, and good on him.

revolutionary8
09-10-2008, 11:05 PM
"grrrr" I can tell you don't tolerate dissent. Is that why you do that? Holding in the personal attacks? ;)
Umm, you told me I needed to die. I tolerated that, didn't alert the mods, didn't make a stink about getting you banned for making threats upon others... but heyy... you make up your own shit, and your own "set of rulz" don't ya? ;)

Bradley in DC
09-10-2008, 11:07 PM
grrrrrrrrrrr.

Let me ask you Bradley,
If RP shifted to the LP, would he still win his congressional seat in the Red State of Texas?

Just pointed out you got your second strike wrong. EDIT: Though Barr did ask Ruwart to be his veep.

Dr. Paul is, as of today, unopposed for re-election to the House. Under Texas' LBJ law, one can run for the House and President. Anyone know if that also applies to Veep? I think so, but I'm not sure.

In short, I think he could run simultaneously. And besides, since Barr is the only lawful candidate for president in Texas, and knowing Dr. Paul follows the law, I have a suspicion whom he's voting for in the end. ;)

JosephTheLibertarian
09-10-2008, 11:07 PM
Umm, you told me I needed to die. I tolerated that, didn't alert the mods, didn't make a stink about getting you banned for making threats upon others... but heyy... you make up your own shit, and your own "set of rulz" don't ya? ;)

I never threatened you. I had my life threatened, so why don't you stfu? Thread hijacker.

You're just a bitter little man.

revolutionary8
09-10-2008, 11:08 PM
Just pointed out you got your second strike wrong.

Dr. Paul is, as of today, unopposed for re-election to the House. Under Texas' LBJ law, one can run for the House and President. Anyone know if that also applies to Veep? I think so, but I'm not sure.

In short, I think he could run simultaneously. And besides, since Barr is the only lawful candidate for president in Texas, and knowing Dr. Paul follows the law, I have a suspicion whom he's voting for in the end. ;)
You aren't from Texas are ya Bradley? You are too arrogant for your own good.

ProBlue33
09-10-2008, 11:09 PM
Mad or not this comment by Adam K. still applies

Reposted from another thread here

Adam Kokesh, Iraq War Veteran and Barr backer made this statement from the audience during the Barr press conference, “Leadership is not just about knowing when to lead, but knowing when to follow,” Kokesh said. “You failed that test today and I retract my endorsement of you.”

I agree 1000% with Adam's statement, he has been in the thick of this battle latlely more than anybody posting here I would guess, he is making the right call, everybody should follow his lead.

I was very impressed with his speech at the Rally.

Barr says the press conference that would have got him way more votes "wasn't worth it", the man is clueless, and it's a huge insult to Ron Paul who was trying to help him.

Politically biting a large hand that can feed you. Just insane, nothing can repair this for Barr

JosephTheLibertarian
09-10-2008, 11:11 PM
ah well. We can afford to lose the fringe votes. Maybe this is a good sign? They're like two-dozen strong, no use trying to get their votes. Let's focus on the apathetic.

Bradley in DC
09-10-2008, 11:12 PM
You aren't from Texas are ya Bradley? You are too arrogant for your own good.

Nope, Taft country.

But I do know that LBJ ran simultaneously for Veep AND for re-election to the Senate. Richard Viguerie, if I remember this right, ran the campaign for the Republican Senate candidate against LBJ and tried to play on the issue of him running for both offices with the slogan, "Double your pleasure, double your fun, vote against LBJ--twice."

Tough when the facts keep getting in your way...

revolutionary8
09-10-2008, 11:16 PM
Nope, Taft country.

But I do know that LBJ ran simultaneously for Veep AND for re-election to the Senate. Richard Viguerie, if I remember this right, ran the campaign for the Republican Senate candidate against LBJ and tried to play on the issue of him running for both offices with the slogan, "Double your pleasure, double your fun, vote against LBJ--twice."

Tough when the facts keep getting in your way...
You are too old for me. RV is a TRAITOR. LBJ vs. V was A SHOW. I DO know that. Your LBJ bait- won't take it. He has a lake named after him in Texas. It's Man Made. ;)

Perry
09-10-2008, 11:18 PM
I watched the Cavuto interview, and I have to say, and deep in your heart you will agree, Ron's major announcement press conference was a let down.

We all thought he would announce a single candidate to throw his weight behind and he did not.

I realize Barr's spokesman said some pretty mean things on a blog. Fuck him.

Lets look at the bottom line though.

Bob Barr is on enough ballots to get 270 electoral votes. DING DING!

He has a fighting chance at winning if we grass roots his ass better than we did Paul.

Fuck Obama and McCain

He spoke the truth about the blown opportunity Ron had with the press conference. Insults aside, don't we all just want the truth, no matter how much it hurts our feelings about Ron?

Ron if your being told about these posts, please take Bob up on the VP slot. You don't have to sacrifice your congressional seat to be his VP.

Whats more important, the congressional seat or the White House.
Fuck make a move already you old bastard. (with sincere love I say that)

Deep in my heart I agree? Really? Lol
Barr screwed himself and he deserves to lose half his support.
If you had preconceived ideas about Pauls press conference then that's your problem.

Bradley in DC
09-10-2008, 11:20 PM
You are too old for me.

Too funny. I wasn't even born yet when Kennedy ran! :D

I've just read a lot on politics, history, etc. ;)

revolutionary8
09-10-2008, 11:23 PM
Bradley would ixnay his avataryay and signaturay, then I might be okay. But he will go down with the vacuum that is Bob Barr, yet will ABANDON Ron Paul.
That is my biggest problem with you Bradley.
You pretty much make me sick.
Call me what you will, but I have one thing you will NEVER have.
CHARACTER.

revolutionary8
09-10-2008, 11:27 PM
Too funny. I wasn't even born yet when Kennedy ran! :D

I've just read a lot on politics, history, etc. ;)
Oh, so you just ACT like an old stuck up fool?
great. even better. :rolleyes:
Tell me what you have "read". :D

Bradley in DC
09-10-2008, 11:34 PM
Oh, so you just ACT like an old stuck up fool?
great. even better. :rolleyes:
Tell me what you have "read". :D

Look, you got your facts wrong (a couple of times). LP conventions aren't like those of the two major parties. I'm not sure they're like anything else I know.

I haven't called you names or belittled your choices. I just think respectful discussions oughtn't be based on falsehoods. If one is to pontificate as you were doing, best to get the facts right. :cool:

Brassmouth
09-10-2008, 11:34 PM
holy shit, this one little incident has everyone at each other's throats. What a sad day to be Ron Paul, I suppose....seeing his movement become everything it set out to fight against....:(

JosephTheLibertarian
09-10-2008, 11:36 PM
Look, you got your facts wrong (a couple of times). LP conventions aren't like those of the two major parties. I'm not sure they're like anything else I know.

I haven't called you names or belittled your choices. I just think respectful discussions oughtn't be based on falsehoods. If one is to pontificate as you were doing, best to get the facts right. :cool:

See what I'm saying, Brad? This guy does nothing but call people names.

revolutionary8
09-10-2008, 11:37 PM
Look, you got your facts wrong (a couple of times). LP conventions aren't like those of the two major parties. I'm not sure they're like anything else I know.

I haven't called you names or belittled your choices. I just think respectful discussions oughtn't be based on falsehoods. If one is to pontificate as you were doing, best to get the facts right. :cool:
If you call "fool" a falsehood, or disrespectful, then I have succeeded in my own personal tolerance. I have a personal tendency to be intolerant on a general level.
One more thing,
I want to apologize to you about voting for Nader. I was wrong. I understand why you did it.
your turn....

revolutionary8
09-10-2008, 11:40 PM
See what I'm saying, Brad? This guy does nothing but call people names.
Yes, and this is why I need to be told I should be shot in the face and gurgle in my own blood you raving socialist. ;)

Bradley in DC
09-10-2008, 11:41 PM
If you call "fool" a falsehood, or disrespectful, then I have succeeded in my own personal tolerance. I have a personal tendency to be intolerant on a general level.
One more thing,
I want to apologize to you about voting for Nader. I was wrong. I understand why you did it.
your turn....

:confused:

revolutionary8
09-10-2008, 11:41 PM
I'm done? What do I have to do with it? You're the one voing for socialist. Not me.

Who am I voting for?

revolutionary8
09-10-2008, 11:42 PM
:confused:
I am sorry for giving you a bunch of shit for voting for Nader. I am not only intolerant of myself, but intolerant of others. Is that better? compendre?

JosephTheLibertarian
09-10-2008, 11:43 PM
Yes, and this is why I need to be told I should be shot in the face and gurgle in my own blood you raving socialist. ;)

He's attacking me now. Get help.

Bradley in DC
09-10-2008, 11:43 PM
Who am I voting for?

I think you mean "whom" (objective of the preposition "for"). :p

(as long as you've typecast me, I thought I'd play along with you. :D)

DeadheadForPaul
09-10-2008, 11:44 PM
agree with origina poster

Bradley in DC
09-10-2008, 11:49 PM
I am sorry for giving you a bunch of shit for voting for Nader. I am not only intolerant of myself, but intolerant of others. Is that better? compendre?

Parle italiano? Sono italo-americano.

Honestly, I think I was confused because I don't remember you giving me shit for voting for Nader last time. It was my choice. Just as I haven't belittled the choices of anyone else here (I think, try not to at least :o). Dr. Paul sets a difficult example to follow. :)

revolutionary8
09-10-2008, 11:57 PM
I think you mean "whom" (objective of the preposition "for"). :p

(as long as you've typecast me, I thought I'd play along with you. :D)
oh pulleeeze pomp ass. :D
This only goes to show I was right. :D

revolutionary8
09-10-2008, 11:58 PM
Parle italiano? Sono italo-americano.

Honestly, I think I was confused because I don't remember you giving me shit for voting for Nader last time. It was my choice. Just as I haven't belittled the choices of anyone else here (I think, try not to at least :o). Dr. Paul sets a difficult example to follow. :)

I am not Catholic, nor Jesuit, nor Italian. ;) I am 100% Texan. :D

revolutionary8
09-11-2008, 12:01 AM
He's attacking me now. Get help.
If there is any "help" I get, it will be another gun to defend myself against the likes of YOU. ;)
eta-
and ammo.
You know what they say in TX don't ya?

Bradley in DC
09-11-2008, 12:04 AM
I am not Catholic, nor Jesuit, nor Italian. ;) I am 100% Texan. :D

Hey, I hadn't even played my Jesuit card yet! :)

revolutionary8
09-11-2008, 12:06 AM
Hey, I hadn't even played my Jesuit card yet! :)
Dastardly tricks.
:)
Let me guess, you went to a Jesuit University?
:D

Bradley in DC
09-11-2008, 12:11 AM
Dastardly tricks.
:)
Let me guess, you went to a Jesuit University?
:D

Worse. Jesuit high school. :D

(okay, and when I studied abroad in Colombia and Chile it was at Jesuit universities there too.)

revolutionary8
09-11-2008, 12:14 AM
Worse. Jesuit high school. :D

(okay, and when I studied abroad in Colombia and Chile it was at Jesuit universities there too.)
Yikes.
Have you ever considered re-thinking your "education"?
I have. And I never attended a jesuit "institution". ;) Moreover, My family spent lots of money "institutionalizing" me. Poor dears, it didn't take (for very long) :D

Bradley in DC
09-11-2008, 12:15 AM
Bradley would ixnay his avataryay and signaturay, then I might be okay. But he will go down with the vacuum that is Bob Barr, yet will ABANDON Ron Paul.
That is my biggest problem with you Bradley.
You pretty much make me sick.
Call me what you will, but I have one thing you will NEVER have.
CHARACTER.

You don't think I'm a character? :confused: :p :D

I was full-on for Dr. Paul with every fiber of my being when that was possible. We'll all move on (or not, I suppose) at our own paces.

revolutionary8
09-11-2008, 12:16 AM
You don't think I'm a character? :confused: :p :D

I was full-on for Dr. Paul with every fiber of my being when that was possible. We'll all move on (or not, I suppose) at our own paces.
I think you have been comporomised BECAUSE of your character. BECAUSE you are smart....
PPl like myself who "fly under the radar" are less suspect...
I am a dumbo, that has nothing to add. I am NOT A leader. They have nothing to gain, yet everything to lose. That is the difference between you and I. That is the NONglory in what I do.

mudhoney
09-11-2008, 12:28 AM
reposting this here because it seems rather relevant.

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I can see why people wouldn't want to vote for Barr, and I totally respect that. I'm not going to go out of my way to demonize anyone else for that though. This forum is descending into the political trap resembling Left vs Right, good vs evil. It's taking away from legitimate discussion, and I find it sad.

sidster
09-11-2008, 12:30 AM
I watched the Cavuto interview, and I have to say, and deep in your heart you will agree, Ron's major announcement press conference was a let down.

I wouldn't say that... it has the people talking. I thought I
was gonna tell my mom the news and turns out she already
had heard over a radio show she listens to.

my mom she can't stand 'republicans': Bush Sr and Jr.
and McCain, Palin, etc.

She is now wondering about 3rd party candidates and was
asking me about the ones that Ron Paul had at the press
conference.... so I wouldn't call it a let down.

Personally, I wasn't expecting much from this press conference.
but it was better than I expected and now that I find out
it got my mom's attention it is even better.

Bradley in DC
09-11-2008, 12:32 AM
reposting this here because it seems rather relevant.

---

I can see why people wouldn't want to vote for Barr, and I totally respect that. I'm not going to go out of my way to demonize anyone else for that though. This forum is descending into the political trap resembling Left vs Right, good vs evil. It's taking away from legitimate discussion, and I find it sad.

Good points. More humor helps too. Actually Rev8 and I just broke bread after I pointed out I wasn't calling anyone names or belittling anyone's choices. Or maybe he just likes my natural good looks and charm. :D

revolutionary8
09-11-2008, 12:41 AM
Good points. More humor helps too. Actually Rev8 and I just broke bread after I pointed out I wasn't calling anyone names or belittling anyone's choices. Or maybe he just likes my natural good looks and charm. :D

I am not a gay paedophile, like most of the J Preists. ;) Humor helps when it is a joke.
Destroy. Demean. Herd us all in to a ONE WORLD "religion" that translates to godlessness and luciferianism.
Know your enemies. is all can say.
And FTR- I am not religioius.
The NWO ppl steer me in that direcetion.
God Help Us All

xtravar
09-11-2008, 07:34 AM
OFFS! Note to "Libertarians" - STOP CALLING US A CULT. Your CATOman Weigel tried that early on- FAIL.


lolz are you kidding or do you really not know what "cult of personality" means?

constituent
09-11-2008, 07:52 AM
I watched the Cavuto interview, and I have to say, and deep in your heart you will agree, Ron's major announcement press conference was a let down.

We all thought he would announce a single candidate to throw his weight behind and he did not.


No on both counts.



I realize Barr's spokesman said some pretty mean things on a blog. Fuck him.

Lets look at the bottom line though.

Bob Barr is on enough ballots to get 270 electoral votes. DING DING!

He has a fighting chance at winning if we grass roots his ass better than we did Paul.


Get bent you f*n libertarian hack, shill it to the okies (no offense acp, et. al.).



Fuck Obama and McCain

Fuck BoBarr and the mustache he rode in on.



<drivel><shameless_opportunism><partisan_hackery><ill_intentions>

Hamer
09-11-2008, 08:48 AM
Just pointed out you got your second strike wrong. EDIT: Though Barr did ask Ruwart to be his veep.

Dr. Paul is, as of today, unopposed for re-election to the House. Under Texas' LBJ law, one can run for the House and President. Anyone know if that also applies to Veep? I think so, but I'm not sure.

In short, I think he could run simultaneously. And besides, since Barr is the only lawful candidate for president in Texas, and knowing Dr. Paul follows the law, I have a suspicion whom he's voting for in the end. ;)

Chuck Baldwin is a legal write in for TX and I am voting for Chuck Baldwin 100% and Barr is finished and after what he pulled there is no way Ron Paul is voting for neocon Barr!


www.buckforchuck.com

countrykidz4freedom
09-11-2008, 09:08 AM
I wasn't going to vote Barr, but was encouraging everyone to look at him as a possible 3rd party choice, and asking everyone please vote 3rd party. Now, thanks to what he did, I cannot in good conscience tell anyone about him. He is a plant, and has already shown where his loyalties lie. A true friend would not have done what he did-he is an embarrassment to the movement. Yesterday I was very angry at him, today I am not mad at him, more disgusted than anything else-the guy is a first class idiot!

dannno
09-11-2008, 09:25 AM
I watched the Cavuto interview, and I have to say, and deep in your heart you will agree, Ron's major announcement press conference was a let down.


I thought it was great. I completely agree that the four major points Paul brought up are the most important to our country, and all of the third party candidates agree on them.. and so does the American public, and the major candidates are diametrically opposed to these values.

He made the point that 16% of the American public will vote for Obama. 16% will vote for McCain.

What about the other 68%???

It was genius. If we tried we could get the third party candidates more votes than the establishment candidates. I don't think it would be that hard if there was a real effort.

People who complain about two of the third party candidates being "socialists" do not clearly understand the real problems that threaten our country.. running a deficit is way up there. Also consider Ron Paul wanted to keep social programs that people are dependent on, he just wants to phase the system out. Once you understand the problems with the system, there just isn't anything really important to complain about regarding the other third party candidates.

V3n
09-11-2008, 10:41 AM
I'm not as mad as I was yesterday.

I was speaking to a couple of people today that aren't avid Ron Paul followers, and they didn't even know any drama had taken place. The drama is only hurting ourselves within our own ranks while the average American doesn't even know anything happened.

If we're trying to reach more "average Americans" then having Barr on the ballots and receiving media attention that the other 3 third party candidates aren't is still a good thing (not that they aren't getting attention, but that at least someone is).

If you take emotion out of it and look at the bigger political picture, this close to election day, he can still do more to wake people up to the side of Liberty.

Truth Warrior
09-11-2008, 10:47 AM
Valium works wonders. :rolleyes: :p

Josh_LA
09-11-2008, 11:37 AM
Don't act like Dr. Paul's ever taken a supporter's advice on his candidacy.

Minuteman
09-11-2008, 12:04 PM
I will still be voting for Barr, because it's the best use of my vote to continue to move towards my goals. Barr actually has the name recognition to pull off a good percentage of votes this year.

Nader could also probably do well, but just isnt my cup of tea. Chuck doesnt have the credentials in my opinion. I honestly do not know much about McKinny.

HOLLYWOOD
09-11-2008, 12:08 PM
Technical Point:

MAD =Crazy, Loonie Tunes, Psycho

UPSET, ANGRY, DISGUSTED would be more appropriate

have a Nice Day :.)

Bradley in DC
09-11-2008, 12:25 PM
I was speaking to a couple of people today that aren't avid Ron Paul followers, and they didn't even know any drama had taken place. The drama is only hurting ourselves within our own ranks while the average American doesn't even know anything happened.

If we're trying to reach more "average Americans" then having Barr on the ballots and receiving media attention that the other 3 third party candidates aren't is still a good thing (not that they aren't getting attention, but that at least someone is).

If you take emotion out of it and look at the bigger political picture, this close to election day, he can still do more to wake people up to the side of Liberty.

Bottom line: Barr said he supports Dr. Paul's agenda (Nader confirmed this at the press conference) even if CFL staffers aim to undermine the broad support among the major third parties (leaving Barr's name off of the "ransom note" style doc). If one wants to follow Dr. Paul's directive and help make the third party option matter, they'll vote for Barr who represents Dr. Paul's message AND registers in the body politic.

me3
09-11-2008, 12:39 PM
Ideas can't go anywhere without a party. You can day dream all you want while we slip more and more into statism. That's fine. Let the big-government proponents have all the power.
Wow, you're calling others statists, while preaching partisan politics. Priceless.

The difference between Republicrats and LPers like you, is that you crave the power that they openly flaunt and exploit, but pretend you want it for more noble purposes.

The whole purpose of libertarianism is not to hold the reins of power, not to gain and hold it over someone else because you think you are more just.


Atleast Bob Barr isn't in a neocon party :)
No, but he still is a neocon. He always has been. That is why his campaign has to resort to stunts and attack Ron Paul in order to get any attention. Thus far, he's been unable to inspire people, and unable to raise money after what was a stellar year for liberty and libertarian recruitment.

In every sense of the word, Barr has been a flop, and now he is swinging at Dr. Paul and ALL OF US like a punch drunk fighter. It doesn't matter, because he will not be in the debates and his campaign is now not only over, he's managed to damage the LP and the CFL. Kudos to Bob the narcissist and his neocon campaign staff.


No, he didn't. The LP national convention delegates did. :p

Barr did ask Dr. Paul to be his veep instead. ;)
You're really digging yourself a hole by hitching your wagon to this guy. It might pay off for you professionally or politically, but ideologically, I can't help but think that you've compromised.

Also, Barr asked for them to nominate W.A.R., that is how he got W.A.R.'s support IIRC.

constitutional
09-11-2008, 12:42 PM
Ron Paul would never tell anyone what to believe in. That has been one of the theme in his campaign. Thus, he would never tell people who to vote for. He would simply point in the right direction.

It's either Barr or Campaign For Liberty. Hell, Barr lied and distorted facts. Not to mention he is censoring his blog comments.

Knightskye
09-11-2008, 12:42 PM
Bob Barr is on enough ballots to get 270 electoral votes. DING DING!

Yes he is. And I'll cast my vote to help him get there.

me3
09-11-2008, 01:00 PM
Ron Paul would never tell anyone what to believe in. That has been one of the theme in his campaign. Thus, he would never tell people who to vote for. He would simply point in the right direction.

It's either Barr or Campaign For Liberty. Hell, Barr lied and distorted facts. Not to mention he is censoring his blog comments.
The censorship really irks me, I swear he has a bunch of mindless staff sock puppets posting comments, they are almost 100% pro-Barr, and about 50% damn Paul.

Does he mean for us to believe that the Ron Paul nation is with him and not Dr. Paul? Or that we would never comment on a blog?

They are a bunch of charlatans and neocons. That's why they play sock puppet games and censor. Because when they do the wrong thing, they have to hide from it, instead of facing the music.

Lovecraftian4Paul
09-11-2008, 01:03 PM
I was just starting to calm down, but my rage has been ignited anew by idiot Barr's release today. Praising Bush's 9/11 leadership and calling Ron Paul supporters a cult of personality is just off the charts ill.

Dorfsmith
09-11-2008, 01:05 PM
I was just starting to calm down, but my rage has been ignited anew by idiot Barr's release today. Praising Bush's 9/11 leadership and calling Ron Paul supporters a cult of personality is just off the charts ill.

Me too. I literally felt sick after reading that.

Aratus
09-11-2008, 01:07 PM
keep in mind bob barr is on ohio's ballot... mccain knows this...
somehow mr. barr seems to be either a bull in a china shop or into
always living on the razor's edge without thinking over the consequences
of his own actions. what did he think, the media build-up was only for him, alone???

Malakai
09-11-2008, 01:07 PM
RP was trying to reach out to the left wing non conformists, third party supporters who might otherwise just vote for Obama.

This had more to do with Green party and Nader jumping on board with the conservative third parties to show there were some issues we face that transcend political boundaries, and that no matter what your political beliefs a vote for McBama is a real wasted vote.

It was a great idea and Barr made himself look INCREDIBLY shallow by doing what he did. He doesn't seem to get the RP movement is so much bigger than the LP put together. In many years RP got people more excited about libertarianism than the LP has ever done. 1 man vs a whole party. I would still vote for him if he was the only third party on the ticket. But considering I've been voting almost all libertarian since 2k I'm still very disappointed. And it's been 'confirmed' by people at the event that LP officials there didn't even know he wasn't going to show till it happened.
The MSM press this has got is exactly as expected, Barr killed the whole third party unity thing (which was supposed to compare to the divisive mainstream politics of the dems and r's).

Aratus
09-11-2008, 01:09 PM
i do admit seven years ago, george bush looked like he was in charge.
again, there was a deep shift by people after the way katrina went down...

libertea
09-11-2008, 01:09 PM
Never was mad. This is what I expected.

kombayn
09-11-2008, 01:30 PM
I'm not voting for someone who threw Ron Paul under the bus. Ron Paul is a huge reason why Bob Barr was elected the Libertarian Party nomination. If Bob Barr/Wayne Allyn Root actually took-over the white-house it'd be a disaster.