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angelatc
09-10-2008, 09:11 PM
Posted by Richard Spencer on September 10, 2008


Appearing at the National Press Club this morning, flanked by rock-solid conservative third-party candidate Chuck Baldwin, the venerable Ralph Nadar, and the insane and reprehensible leftist Cynthia McKinney, Ron Paul dispensed this guidance:

For me, though, my advice—for what it’s worth—is to vote! Reject the two candidates who demand perpetuation of the status quo and pick one of the alternatives that you have the greatest affinity to, based on the other issues.

A huge vote for those running on principle will be a lot more valuable by sending a message that we’ve had enough and want real change than wasting one’s vote on a supposed lesser of two evils.

There’s a lot of truth to this. But the statement begs the question, Why after Paul failed in his valiant attempt to win the Republican nomination, did not he himself make a third-party bid? Indeed, Paul was in a far better position than any of those standing beside him this morning to lead such a venture—with his breakthrough into the MSM, with his solid eCampaign, and miraculous supporter-generated “Money Bombs.” If Bob Barr can pull in 6% in a recent Rasmussen poll, then I think it’s safe to say that Paul could be getting support somewhere in the 20s.

In the end, the ideas-free “just vote!” advice, sounds like something you’d hear in an NBC public service announcement.

The fact is, Paul has developed a knack for alienating the GOP enough to achieve pariah status, but then not having the guts to go all the way, abandon the party, and really accomplish something. Take the latest Paulian stratagem: Last week he held a counter-convention in which he claimed to be a loyal Republican, desiring only to reform the GOP from with, return it to its roots. And then today, he announces that Cynthia McKinney is his great ally in the fight for freedom—ensuring that his influence within the GOP will be next to nothing.

It’s also worth pointing out that in all these Left-Right, “strange-bedfellows” coalitions, the Left always ends up on top. Does anyone actually believe that Cynthia McKinney gives a fig about monetary policy? (Unless, of course, you’re talking about a conspiracy of evil Jewish bankers out to oppress poor black folks.) Does anyone think that if elected, Ralph Nader wouldn’t enact worse socialist measures than would the Republicans and Democrats?

We, the conservative constitutionalists, have the message that resonates with the American people, we created the netroots support, we are gradually building the institutions. And thus why would we allow some leftists to jump on our bandwagon?—for what!?! What do we gain? And why? because we agree with Cynthia McKinney on a few civil liberty issues? PLEASE!

I wish we could blame this decision on Paul’s lackluster presidential campaign strategists, but the fact is Lew Moore and those he hired are all gone. The decision to do this must have come from the man himself. We can certainly hope that one day Paul will start taking political advice from serious thinkers, but until then, for those of us who admire Paul’s message, the way forward is clear—the movement must move beyond the man.

Article URL: http://www.takimag.com/blogs/article/the_r3volution_is_over/

hypnagogue
09-10-2008, 09:12 PM
Why oh why didn't he run....

pennycat
09-10-2008, 09:25 PM
I have to admit that this guy makes some very valid points.

ultimaonliner
09-10-2008, 09:28 PM
Total heartache that RP didn't run. I think he didn't realize that in politics, it is often NOT the message, but the (wo)MAN that gets voters behind them.

The message will always be around in small percentages to the people who actually choose to critically think. But without a guiding figure, a leader, the message won't go anywhere, other than on forums.


It's kind of like being in a room of people who all sense something is wrong, but without one to actually stand up and vocalize the problems and the possible solutions, most people will just sit around and complain amongst themselves.

pinkmandy
09-10-2008, 09:29 PM
the way forward is clear—the movement must move beyond the man

That's exactly what Paul has been saying for a LONG time. Yes, I'd give anything just about to cast a vote for him in November but he has made it clear that he has "been there, done that" and the small dent he'd make against the MACHINE that runs every aspect of the election process wasn't worth losing the platform he does have.

If we ever want a REAL choice for President then the next 4 years we need to focus on honest voting, fair debates, etc. while waking up 90% of the population to the fact that MSM is freaking brainwashing them.

austin356
09-10-2008, 09:31 PM
wow - some valid points.

ultimaonliner
09-10-2008, 09:33 PM
If we ever want a REAL choice for President then the next 4 years we need to focus on honest voting, fair debates, etc. while waking up 90% of the population to the fact that MSM is freaking brainwashing them.


Oh, is that all we need to do? :D


People will remain sheeple in high percentages. The sheeple only respond to a leader to follow a movement. It's the leader first, then the ideas later for MOST OTHER people (not RP supporters).

itshappening
09-10-2008, 09:33 PM
bullshit. they're trying to trick RP into leaving the GOP because they can't expel him.

I suspect this is what is behind the Barr nonesense today

LibertyInJeopardy
09-10-2008, 09:36 PM
You want to change politics in the U.S.? You want to force the republicans (and incidentally the democrats) to talk about issues that actually matter?

Open up the debates. One step at a time.

You criticize this move because you fail to recognize that we cannot save our nation through one great man, but we have a chance of saving it through one great plan.

pinkmandy
09-10-2008, 09:37 PM
Oh, is that all we need to do? :D


People will remain sheeple in high percentages. The sheeple only respond to a leader to follow a movement. It's the leader first, then the ideas later for MOST OTHER people (not RP supporters).

Lol. I know. Tall, tall order. So yeah- we're screwed. Sorry I got all optimistic for a minute there. ;)


But maybe if we could get that 90% down to 70%? Wake up a third of the sleeping people? That would be enough I think. I'm sure the upcoming McBama presidency will help us out some. :D

Flash
09-10-2008, 09:39 PM
If Bob Barr can pull in 6% in a recent Rasmussen poll, then I think it’s safe to say that Paul could be getting support somewhere in the 20s.

lol. Are these the same people who believed Ron Paul could've won New Hampshire?

Roonie
09-10-2008, 09:39 PM
Oh, is that all we need to do? :D


People will remain sheeple in high percentages. The sheeple only respond to a leader to follow a movement. It's the leader first, then the ideas later for MOST OTHER people (not RP supporters).

I would not underestimate the power of the internet to jerk people awake.

Remember, it's only really been around in a big way for 14, 15 years. Many of the most important online institutions have yet to be built. (I'm sure.)

pinkmandy
09-10-2008, 09:43 PM
I would not underestimate the power of the internet to jerk people awake.

Remember, it's only really been around in a big way for 14, 15 years. Many of the most important online institutions have yet to be built. (I'm sure.)

Or the power of economic collapse, martial law, war with Russia...and ninjas. :D

Rangeley
09-10-2008, 09:43 PM
I don't understand why people thought, at this point, he was going to run as an independent candidate. He has denied he had any intention to do so for months - over a year even.

Its not about this election anymore. While third parties doing well can help the effort to reform the party, it is not a substitute. He realizes this, and that is why he is both trying to help third parties, while keeping up the fight in the Republican party. It may not be as "fun" for us, but the work will actually have tangible results and effect change.

tpreitzel
09-10-2008, 09:46 PM
The Ron Paul revolution is over? Yawn, Ron's performed another flyby through the orbit of the clueless...

Bradley in DC
09-10-2008, 09:51 PM
The Left isn't always on top in strange bedfellows coalitions, but otherwise a pretty sound article overall except for this part:


I wish we could blame this decision on Paul’s lackluster presidential campaign strategists, but the fact is Lew Moore and those he hired are all gone.

The LP pretty much blamed the Paul staffers for sabotaging Barr's participation (I have no idea), but Moore, I think, hired Greenspan and Rasmussen who have been stirring up shitstorms where ever they go.


The decision to do this must have come from the man himself. We can certainly hope that one day Paul will start taking political advice from serious thinkers, but until then, for those of us who admire Paul’s message, the way forward is clear—the movement must move beyond the man.

. . . and <shaking angry fist in the air> Dr. Paul isn't as young as we'd need to be for lots of future fights way down the way.

pennycat
09-10-2008, 09:57 PM
Sure hope all you people that want to wake people up are 1) joining Campaign for Liberty, 2) and more importantly ready to dedicate at at least an hour a week to spreading the message to typical voters. Hanging on RPF and voting in online poles really doesn't count.