Nader

[Drknows]

Nader will be on the ballot in 44 states -- more than in either his 2000 or 2004 presidential campaigns. Barr has secured ballot slots in 42 states.


He has name recognition and already has a good amount of support. (8 percent in Michigan).

http://www.votenader.org/email/general/2008/09/10/200px_Ralph_and_Ron.jpg
http://www.votenader.org/

Today, along with other third party candidates, I joined Congressman Ron Paul to endorse a common agenda that stands up for the US Constitution by ending illegal wars, and protecting the privacy and civil liberties of all persons under US jurisdiction. We also jointly called for an immediate halt to the increase in the national debt, an end to corporate subsidies and taxpayer bailouts of corporations, and to start aggressively pursuing prosecution of corporations that commit crimes and frauds.


http://www.votenader.org/

[kathy88]

I thought he handled himself really well today on Wolf's interview.

[Jeremy]

universal healthcare? uhhhh... how is this a question?

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

Nader will be on the ballot in 44 states -- more than in either his 2000 or 2004 presidential campaigns. Barr has secured ballot slots in 42 states.


He has name recognition and already has a good amount of support. (8 percent in Michigan).

http://www.votenader.org/email/general/2008/09/10/200px_Ralph_and_Ron.jpg
http://www.votenader.org/


http://www.votenader.org/

I won't vote for him. He's a socialist.

However, he IS a socialist who would balance the budget, end the war, preserve civil liberties, and go after the Fed, which is still head and shoulders above the other two major socialists, McCain and Obama.

[hard@work]

universal healthcare? uhhhh... how is this a question?

Opposition to the Federal Reserve system? How is this not an option?

Barr lost my vote today, I'm looking at Nader for my protest vote.


However, he IS a socialist who would balance the budget, end the war, preserve civil liberties, and go after the Fed, which is still head and shoulders above the other two major socialists, McCain and Obama.

Exactly, and I am not a "single issue" voter. I would rather fight against Nader than McBama. None of us get anywhere until we get rid of the groups controlling the system. I'm okay with a debate between "liberal" and "conservative" - as long as it's genuine and the principles are pure.

[Kludge]

We CAN unify, with those not even in the "Revolution". Our message WILL become somewhat diluted, but at least it will be heard... *shrug* The alternatives suck more...

[Jeremy]

Opposition to the Federal Reserve system? How is this not an option?

Barr lost my vote today, I'm looking at Nader for my protest vote.

you dont know anything about nader

trust me when i say barr would be better. everyone just got riled up over something. frankly, though, people should stop talking about POTUS election until 2011. waste of bloody time

[Drknows]

I won't vote for him. He's a socialist.

However, he IS a socialist who would balance the budget, end the war, preserve civil liberties, and go after the Fed, which is still head and shoulders above the other two major socialists, McCain and Obama.

He wont win. This is about sending a message. Maybe we can give one state to him? then he can thank the revolution,

[RJB]

I disagree with socialists but I do not see him as the lesser evil (or any evil for that matter.) I see him as an honest man with whom I disagree with on some issues.

The reason I see Obama and McCain as evil is that they are liars and frauds-- puppets.

I'd prefer Baldwin or Barr, but I could vote for Nader.

[specsaregood]

you dont know anything about nader

trust me when i say barr would be better. everyone just got riled up over something. frankly, though, people should stop talking about POTUS election until 2011. waste of bloody time

I know that he hasn't had to flip flop on some of the big issues of the day: Iraq War and Patriot act, NAFTA, WTO and the budget deficit. He's been against those things for a long time.

[powerofreason]

He is incredibly far to the left. I know he's not gonna win, but does any RP supporter feel comfortable voting for a Marxist? I know I don't. At least he's honest though, I respect him for that.

[Grimnir Wotansvolk]

OH GOD
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b146/Chaohinon/kasdfjksdjkahafuck.jpg
LOOK WHAT MY CARELESS HANDS HAVE WROUGHT ;_;

[Kludge]

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b146/Chaohinon/kasdfjksdjkahafuck.jpg


CONSPIRACY! That only adds up to 99.99%!!!

[DeadheadForPaul]

Nader is about as close to a communist as you will get, and I fail to see why any Ron Paul supporter would like him. I could literally understand why a RP supporter would like McCain before they liked Nader

[JK/SEA]

OK, i'm now in with the Naderstein. He signed off on that pledge, plus he is polling higher than the others. Its message time. Gee, what a long strange trip we're on.

We'll get em next time Paulites. Meanwhile,...keep your powder dry.

I'd rather cut my hands off before i'd vote for mcain or obama.

[revolutionary8]

OH GOD
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b146/Chaohinon/kasdfjksdjkahafuck.jpg
LOOK WHAT MY CARELESS HANDS HAVE WROUGHT ;_;

ROFL!!!!

I am voting Baldwin, but I can see how others might consider voting for Nader if CB isn't an option. I never thought I would say that. :o I think I might owe some apolgies to those who have voted for him in the past.
At least he is honest and forthright, and he wants to take down the Fed!

[ArrestPoliticians]

Read Murray Rothbard's articles on the New Left. Ron Paul is following this blueprint for expanding the Liberty Movement.

[specsaregood]

Nader is about as close to a communist as you will get, and I fail to see why any Ron Paul supporter would like him. I could literally understand why a RP supporter would like McCain before they liked Nader

It's like I said he agrees with us on some of the biggest issues today. The FED, NAFTA (sovereignty), IMPERIALISM, CIVIL LIBERTIES.

He may have a differently end goal and philosophy but at least in the shortterm he is closely aligned with us. As Ron Paul said, he and nader are good friends. IIRC, somebody has said that RP and Nader have had public debates against each other in the distant past.

[Indy Vidual]

Simple

NO.

[Flash]

I wish we would help him get in the debates somehow. Is it true you have to poll 15% nation-wide to get into one of those debates? Yikes.

[Drknows]

I wish we would help him get in the debates somehow. Is it true you have to poll 15% nation-wide to get into one of those debates? Yikes.


The D and R decide who gets into the debates.
http://www.debates.org/


ventura mentioned this in his speech at the rally
http://rockthedebates.org/

[idiom]

If he ran with Ron Paul on just the Four Points and nothing further that would shatter the two party system.

[specsaregood]

I wish we would help him get in the debates somehow. Is it true you have to poll 15% nation-wide to get into one of those debates? Yikes.

there is a video somewhere on youtube where they videotaped the cops at the debate in boston 2000 keeping him out of the facility; because they were afraid he would protest his exlusion. I can't find the video though.

[hypnagogue]

I'm waiting to see how this Barr no-show pans out. He may have lost my vote as well. As for Nader, I don't expect him to win, but neither is he running on a party ticket. Any progress he may make will be dispersed after his campaign. It's a shame that our system is so party focused, but that's what we've got to work with.

[Flash]

The D and R decide who gets into the debates.
http://www.debates.org/


ventura mentioned this in his speech at the rally
http://rockthedebates.org/


That sucks. I wonder if theres anything Ron Paul could do. Like use the CFL money to buy some TV airtime to host a debate. Although that would be too expensive I guess.


there is a video somewhere on youtube where they videotaped the cops at the debate in boston 2000 keeping him out of the facility; because they were afraid he would protest his exlusion. I can't find the video though.

I've seen that before. I remember it being titled something like, "This could happen to Ron Paul"

[idiom]

Nader would only break out if it was a joint ticket with Ron Paul.

[jlaker]

I think I am voting for Nadar. I thought about Barr for about 5 seconds and after today I will not ever think of him again. You know, Paul stuck out his neck today for the 3rd party candidates and Barr did nothing but slap him in the face. I just still cant believe his punk ass. Oh well, there are other candidates who are willing to work together to try and change this country.

[Kludge]

Bump

[BarryDonegan]

mathematically impossible to balance the budget while supporting universal healthcare. unless he wants to drive the entire nation into total poverty.

[idiom]

Universal health *insurance* can't be done, not while the anti-compete protections for Pharmas are in place.

Universal health insurance is a monster from the pit of Hell, only American politicians could devise it.

Universal healthcare, on the other works fine in dozens of western countries, but the Pharmas don't make nearly as much profit in those lesser countries, and there are no HMOs poor things.

[Truth Warrior]

http://www.gp.org/index.php

Who was the Green Party POTUS candidate in 2000?

[TurtleBurger]

I don't like his politics but he gained my respect by standing with Ron Paul.

[BarryDonegan]

Universal health *insurance* can't be done, not while the anti-compete protections for Pharmas are in place.

Universal health insurance is a monster from the pit of Hell, only American politicians could devise it.

Universal healthcare, on the other works fine in dozens of western countries, but the Pharmas don't make nearly as much profit in those lesser countries, and there are no HMOs poor things.

not without a free market system next door to hook you up with care during one of their "holidays".

[Truth Warrior]

I don't like his politics but he gained my respect by standing with Ron Paul. As long as he didn't gain your "vote". :p :rolleyes:

"Socialism in America will come through the ballot box."
by: Gus Hall
[Arvo Gustav Halberg ] (1910-2000) leader of the Communist Party USA and its four-time U.S. presidential candidate
Source: in an interview with the Cleveland Plain-Dealer (1996)

[Calpico]

I'm leaning towards Nader, although I'm starting to like this Frank Moore guy because he's absolutely insane. I agree with Nader on a number of issues. Although that does not include taxation and health care,

[LittleLightShining]

I wish we would help him get in the debates somehow. Is it true you have to poll 15% nation-wide to get into one of those debates? Yikes.Then this is a good enough reason to vote for him, don't you think? At least get the message out to more people. I'm not saying to vote for him, but there's no good reason to dissuade those who would be inclined to.

[BarryDonegan]

Then this is a good enough reason to vote for him, don't you think? At least get the message out to more people. I'm not saying to vote for him, but there's no good reason to dissuade those who would be inclined to.


just because he agreed with the four planks doesn't mean they are a priority to him. it remains to be seen if he will focus on those issues in his events where he is not in front of RPaul people but is out in front of his usual universal healthcare, socialist, global warming death cult friends.

[LittleLightShining]

just because he agreed with the four planks doesn't mean they are a priority to him. it remains to be seen if he will focus on those issues in his events where he is not in front of RPaul people but is out in front of his usual universal healthcare, socialist, global warming death cult friends.I think they are a priority to him.

[Zolah]

I like Nader as a person, and respect the results he has gotten in past elections as an independent, but he's too far off on many issues from what I think America needs.

[VTV]

I disagree with socialists but I do not see him as the lesser evil (or any evil for that matter.) I see him as an honest man with whom I disagree with on some issues.


That's how I felt about Mike Gravel. And still do.

[BarryDonegan]

I think they are a priority to him.

if you think that already, based on one press conference, you are giving him some serious benefit of the doubt.

like i said, wait until you see what his campaign stops have as stump discussion when hes not among us, but is among his vegan, upper middle class too-liberal-for-obama people.

[LittleLightShining]

if you think that already, based on one press conference, you are giving him some serious benefit of the doubt.

like i said, wait until you see what his campaign stops have as stump discussion when hes not among us, but is among his vegan, upper middle class too-liberal-for-obama people.
You assume I know nothing about him. This isn't the case, as I voted for him in the last 2 elections. He's not one to pander.

[Andrew-Austin]

So today on this board, the basic vibe I've been receiving is:


"Nader has good intentions so his socialist views are not so bad"

"Nader got his picture taken with Paul, and Barr did not"

"Barr has a better platform than Nader, but I disprove of Barr's actions lately"

Its really just so very shallow. Whatever though, a protest vote is just a protest vote?

[dannno]

mathematically impossible to balance the budget while supporting universal healthcare. unless he wants to drive the entire nation into total poverty.

Gee, it's like you didn't mention all of the other things Nader wants to take out of the government... Like our empire and corporate welfare!!

Nader will significantly reduce the size of government, even if he does institute government run healthcare.

[werdd]

Could never vote for him, he is an advocate for

climate change
universal healthcare

just general nanny-statism

[yaz]

wow. 29 people people who have voted yes. sad.

[Kludge]

"Nader has good intentions so his socialist views are not so bad"

If Nader got over 30% of what he wants, I'd move (if I still could!). He obviously does not believe in any defined rights, but that people are inherently evil and need to be protected an enlightened tyrant. His honesty makes him less likely to be claimed a CIA plant from the kooks (more "widely-accepted"), not any better otherwise in my eyes.


"Nader got his picture taken with Paul, and Barr did not"

I'm pretty sure Barr and Paul have been in pictures together...


"Barr has a better platform than Nader, but I disprove of Barr's actions lately"

Barr and his campaign lost my faith when his campaign failed to give an excuse, a timely withdrawal and then Shane.... did what he did.


Its really just so very shallow. Whatever though, a protest vote is just a protest vote?

A protest vote IS just a protest vote. It is also a tool to promote liberty. If you have state/local candidates to push, focus on them. If not, focus on a third party candidate.

[RonPaulGeorge&Ringo]

Nader runs his Nader's Raiders / Public Citizen / whatever training camps like an antebelum slave plantation or one of those Gilded Age factories he rails against. He's a huge hypocrite in that respect.

[SweetMona]

There are things to consider about voting for Nader. His honesty, determination, intelligence, popularity. Almost all states have his name on election ballot. Everyone knew his name.

However, I do like Chuck Baldwin more than Nader but not many people heard of him and not all states have his name on ballot.... :cool:

We have one and half month away to voting, because time is of essence do we have the energy, money and time to promote , get everyone to vote for Chuck Baldwin?

Unfortunately, Baldwin's not gonna be on our California ballot so I'll vote for Ralph Nader.

P.S. He may sound socialist to some (I don't think he is) Regardless of this, he supports our four key principles, that's most important. Talking about imperfect honest man.

[literatim]

There are things to consider about voting for Nader. His honesty, determination, intelligence, popularity. Almost all states have his name on election ballot. Everyone knew his name.
However, I do like Chuck Baldwin more than Nader but not many people heard of him and not all states have his name on ballot.... :cool:

We have one and half month away to voting, because time is of essence do we have the energy, money and time to promote , get everyone to vote for Chuck Baldwin?

Unfortunately, Baldwin's not gonna be on our California ballot so I'll vote for Ralph Nader.

I don't know why people use the fact that a person is on all ballots as a reason to vote for someone. Electability is not a reason to vote for someone, if that was the case, I would vote for Obama or McCain.


P.S. He may sound socialist to some (I don't think he is) Regardless of this, he supports our four key principles, that's most important. Talking about imperfect honest man.

What do you call someone who wants universal health care and a carbon tax?

[DFF]

I need to find out more about Nader first - but based on what I've heard, I think he's my guy.

[mediahasyou]

We CAN unify, with those not even in the "Revolution". Our message WILL become somewhat diluted, but at least it will be heard... *shrug* The alternatives suck more...

lesser of evils...

[Kludge]

lesser of evils...

Yep. I was going to vote Barr to support the LP but I believe a unified vote of no confidence to be more worthwhile now, not that it's saying much...

[idiom]

Universal healthcare is way better than Obama who wants Universal HMO subscription and Universal pharmacuetical protectionism. Its is also better than McCain contentment with the current system.

Ask yourself, why would allowing Medi-care to make pharmas bid for government contracts be a bad thing?

Why can't drugs be imported?

If you would rather go with McBama on these things then you deserve your fate.

[literatim]

Universal healthcare is way better than Obama who wants Universal HMO subscription and Universal pharmacuetical protectionism. Its is also better than McCain contentment with the current system.

Ask yourself, why would allowing Medi-care to make pharmas bid for government contracts be a bad thing?

Medicare shouldn't exist.


Why can't drugs be imported?

Drugs should be able to be freely imported by pharmacies.


If you would rather go with McBama on these things then you deserve your fate.

Oh, I didn't know my only choice was Nader, Obama, or McCain. :rolleyes:

[RonpaulSupporter7777]

I agree. Universal Healthcare could be a wonderful thing, if it is instituted properly. Nader is right, buisness would be much better in this country if the employers were not burdened by having to provide healthcare to their workers. Plus what is the big deal about unionizing companies like Walmart???????

[SweetMona]

I don't know why people use the fact that a person is on all ballots as a reason to vote for someone. Electability is not a reason to vote for someone, if that was the case, I would vote for Obama or McCain.

What do you call someone who wants universal health care and a carbon tax?

I am doing what Ron Paul wants us to do. I have done my homework on all 4 3rd party candidates. Ralph Nader seems to be a better choice and has a higher chance to win the election. If you vote for Obama or McCain then you are not doing what RP wished.

Like I said, Nader is imperfect honest man, his support on our 4 key principles, they are what we need to take back our country! End the national debts, defy our liberty and bring all troops home now!

What I meant is that an establishment of univeral health care and carbon tax would not happen under Nader's sole authorization. The proposed bills like these need to be done by the work of legistlative members. Some people seem to forget that Bush is not going to unconstitionually create any more bill after his term ends.

We have one and half month left, let's make up mind and time is ticking.

[RonpaulSupporter7777]

Yeah. If Nader had not signed on to the 4 principles, I probably would not have reconsidered voting for him. He gets total props from me for his actions as of late.

[RideTheDirt]

I'm all for a democrat who agree on the things we do, we can work with them on the important issues, and elect conservatives, and libertarians to oppose them on the things they do not fully comprehend , yet. Once we fix the major problems a lot of the smaller ones will disappear along with them. Note; I mean REAL conservatives. Come on people. Reject the two parties. We must expose the mockery they have made of the Republic.

[RonpaulSupporter7777]

Great point RideTheDirt. The smaller problems will either cease to exist or hardley be of worth once the larger problems are dealt with. This is why we must work towards intelligent compromise rather than age old division.

If we can get past the left-right paradigm then we have defeated the two party system's hold on our progress. We will be able to work against the corrupt politicians and their greedy special interests.

Ralph Nader has a proven track record on opposing big industry swindles and the politicians that allow them to thrive. This might be the inroad we are looking for to break through the bitterness between conservatism and liberalism.

If anything a healthy dialogue between the left and the right is much better than both taking potshots at eachother from behind closed doors.

[Bman]

universal healthcare? uhhhh... how is this a question?

Have you ever seen the budget on Health care and Human services. I'd have to say the most amazing fact is that we don't have universal health care. Personally I'm not for universal healthcare, but golly, geez. Where the hell are they spending all that money.

[RonpaulSupporter7777]

It's amazing how small an amount of the budget would give us Universal Healthcare. Revenue can be generated in many different ways to fund a program like this. I would have to read a specific policy proposal on this so as to decide whether I would support such a measure.

This was one of the only issues that I thought Ron Paul was weak on in the debates (Kind of Ironic, him being a doctor and all.). I did not feel reassured that our health system would be restored to it's greatness (Maybe it's just the world we live in now is so different from the one Ron refers to.).

One thing is for sure, Obama's Universal Healthcare Plan is totally inadequite. He is very vague in his answers to the public and was even called out by Hillary in the debates (Very sad indeed.). Kucinich's plan was the best I have seen (Single Payer, Not for profit and completely paid for through cuts in defense spending and wasteful pentagon spending).

[LibertiORDeth]

I won't vote for him. He's a socialist.

However, he IS a socialist who would balance the budget, end the war, preserve civil liberties, and go after the Fed, which is still head and shoulders above the other two major socialists, McCain and Obama.

It's pretty hard to balance the budget with socialism. Generally a socialist country has to inflate it's currency to make up for the lack of production by its country, although the fake value doesn't last long.

[literatim]

Socialism ignores the fact that resources are finite.

[Menthol Patch]

There is no need to vote for Nader.

Write in Ron Paul.

[paulpwns]

There is no need to vote for Nader.

Write in Ron Paul.

Why would you do that? They aren't even going to count it. Even RP himself said it would be a waste.

[RonpaulSupporter7777]

Ron Paul has not endorsed the notion of a write in. He has told his supporters to support third party and independent candidates . Ron Paul didn't even want his name on the ballot in Montana.
I think that by voting for a third party candidate or independent, we are showing that we support the 4 principles outlined in Ron's seal of approval. Ron has stuck out his neck for these candidates and would like to keep pressure on the two party system. This seems to be the best option at this time.

[idiom]

Healthcare has an inverse relationship with socialism. You want people to abuse the system. You want them to go to the dentist a lot, you want them to go for checkups all the time.

Its not like people can go and live at the Hospital.

Private health care would work to, but you have to ditch the corporate socialism that Literatim is pushing.

Go one way or the other but the Status Quo fellates the Capra aegagrus hircus.

[literatim]

Ron Paul has not endorsed the notion of a write in. He has told his supporters to support third party and independent candidates . Ron Paul didn't even want his name on the ballot in Montana.

Ron Paul didn't want his name replacing Chuck Baldwins. Write-ins aren't counted.


I think that by voting for a third party candidate or independent, we are showing that we support the 4 principles outlined in Ron's seal of approval. Ron has stuck out his neck for these candidates and would like to keep pressure on the two party system. This seems to be the best option at this time.

He didn't stick his neck out for any of the candidates. Ron Paul is trying to use his influence to try and dissolve the two party monopoly. It has nothing to do with the individual candidates running.

[nobody's_hero]

I respect Nader in the same regards that I respect Kucinich. Having said that, there are still the usual differences.

I honestly do not feel that the presidential election is going to be won by anything other than a Republican or Democrat, so I may vote for Nader just on the 4 agreements made at the 3rd-party conference.

[SweetMona]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=155084