Report from the Bob Barr Press Conference

[Don]

I just sat in stunned silence as Bob Barr blatantly lied to the national press corp (or the half dozen members that bothered to show up). He stated that he had not committed to attend this press conference. This is patently false. He was fully committed to attend until 30 minutes before when Russ Varney called Jesse Benton and said that Barr was out. This man has not one ounce of integrity in his body.

Adam Kokesh stood up during the press conference, denounced Barr and withdrew his support. Several others in the room quickly followed. Great job Adam!

I asked Barr Communications Director Shane Corey after the event why they pulled this stunt and was told to go f*** myself.

[itshappening]

I think he's been got at by the Repubs

bad news imo

[SnappleLlama]

I don't know about any of you, but I wouldn't want to get on the wrong side of Adam Kokesh. he looks like he could kill a man with his bare hands in like three seconds.

[hopeforamerica]

Deep down, I knew this man could not be trusted. I now have no one to vote for in AZ. I think I'll move to LA so I can vote for Ron Paul.

[ARealConservative]

I just sat in stunned silence as Bob Barr blatantly lied to the national press corp (or the half dozen members that bothered to show up). He stated that he had not committed to attend this press conference. This is patently false. He was fully committed to attend until 30 minutes before when Russ Varney called Jesse Benton and said that Barr was out. This man has not one ounce of integrity in his body.

Adam Kokesh stood up during the press conference, denounced Barr and withdrew his support. Several others in the room quickly followed. Great job Adam!

I asked Barr Communications Director Shane Corey after the event why they pulled this stunt and was told to go f*** myself.

your actions right now totally contradict the message of the Paul news conference.

Why would you favor fueling the feud between separate third party movements?

[acptulsa]

That's it? No whys or wherefores? Damn.

Thanks, Don.

[RonPaulVolunteer]

OH MY GOSH!!

And GO Adam!!!

[nullvalu]

Adam Kokesh was there? Damn that dude is everywhere.. and damn does he have some huge cahones. ;)

[Sandra]

Did Barr confirm that he was on board with the other Third Parties ?

[acptulsa]

your actions right now totally contradict the message of the Paul news conference.

Why would you favor fueling the feud between separate third party movements?

Does this still describe the LP? I think there's room for doubt...

[RonPaulVolunteer]

your actions right now totally contradict the message of the Paul news conference.

Why would you favor fueling the feud between separate third party movements?

Because TRUTH is as important as UNITY.

[Melissa]

Oh my thanks for this Don helps clear the air

[rockandrollsouls]

Supposedly Barr is going to ask Ron to be his VP.

[JK/SEA]

Told you to go eff yourself eh?..would have told 'HE' had, and its on youtube now.

[ARealConservative]

Does this still describe the LP? I think there's room for doubt...

they are a third party and will receive more votes then Baldwin, so yes, this still applies.

[ShowMeLiberty]

Well now, that certainly puts a whole new light on things. Thanks for the report, Don. I'm glad we found out about Barr's (lack of) character and conviction before November.

PS - Go, Adam Kokesh! Woot!

[Kotin]

your actions right now totally contradict the message of the Paul news conference.

Why would you favor fueling the feud between separate third party movements?

um the only one who that could be said about is Bob Barr :mad:



I am now voting Nader because baldwin wont be on the ballot in TX

[ARealConservative]

Because TRUTH is as important as UNITY.

how about the truth that ballot access is the only victory we can achieve in 2008 - and it is based on some level of unity.

[amy31416]

I just sat in stunned silence as Bob Barr blatantly lied to the national press corp (or the half dozen members that bothered to show up). He stated that he had not committed to attend this press conference. This is patently false. He was fully committed to attend until 30 minutes before when Russ Varney called Jesse Benton and said that Barr was out. This man has not one ounce of integrity in his body.

Adam Kokesh stood up during the press conference, denounced Barr and withdrew his support. Several others in the room quickly followed. Great job Adam!

I asked Barr Communications Director Shane Corey after the event why they pulled this stunt and was told to go f*** myself.

For Christ's sakes, what the hell?

Adam had thrown his support behind Barr too, I'm sure the link to Barr will be off Kokesh's site pretty freaking fast.

Any possibility of a video?

[mmink15]

youtube of Barr's conference?

[Pete]

Many thanks, Don.

Barr is a damnable fraud. To think I might have voted for him. :mad:

[rajibo]

As a Barr supporter up to about 2 hours ago, I have to say, in the immortal words of Arthur Fonzerelli:

I was wr-wr-wr-wr

I was wr-wr-wr-wr

I was wr-wr-wr-wr-wrong.

[ARealConservative]

um the only one who that could be said about is Bob Barr :mad:



I am now voting Nader because baldwin wont be on the ballot in TX

If I voted for a socialist, I would pick McCain over Nader.

[Kotin]

If I voted for a socialist, I would pick McCain over Nader.

swing and a miss...

[pauletteNV]

your actions right now totally contradict the message of the Paul news conference.

Why would you favor fueling the feud between separate third party movements?


Did you actually think Bob Barr was a true Libertarian and not a neocon in sheep's clothing, so to speak? Dr. Paul will not say anything against Barr, no matter what as that is not his way, but I doubt he will openly back him or offer to allow him to participate in the true struggle against tyrany again. Don't bite the hand that feeds you...and many of you did support Bob Barr with donations and constant posts. Ron Paul's coattails are too good for Bob Barr.

[-lotus-]

For Christ's sakes, what the hell?

Adam had thrown his support behind Barr too, I'm sure the link to Barr will be off Kokesh's site pretty freaking fast.

Any possibility of a video?

whats adam's web site?

[Jeremy]

Adam Kokesh was there? Damn that dude is everywhere.. and damn does he have some huge cahones. ;)

he knows how to fly

[Jeremy]

Did you actually think Bob Barr was a true Libertarian and not a neocon in sheep's clothing, so to speak? Dr. Paul will not say anything against Barr, no matter what as that is not his way, but I doubt he will openly back him or offer to allow him to participate in the true struggle against tyrany again. Don't bite the hand that feeds you...and many of you did support Bob Barr with donations and constant posts. Ron Paul's coattails are too good for Bob Barr.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKt2s0LjUHY

[amy31416]

whats adam's web site?

http://kokesh.blogspot.com/

[Menthol Patch]

I've said it before and I will say it again.

Bob Barr is a neocon monster.

[pauletteNV]

As a Barr supporter up to about 2 hours ago, I have to say, in the immortal words of Arthur Fonzerelli:

I was wr-wr-wr-wr

I was wr-wr-wr-wr

I was wr-wr-wr-wr-wrong.


to admit to being wrong. It was an easy mistake to make and so long as you are still a Patriot, all is not for naught!

[pilby]

i never trusted Barr. i didn't care much what he had to say on the campaign trail. what i cared about was what he has done. most politicians talk a good talk when they're campaigning. McCain has been trying to talk like a conservative lately. so conservatives are being duped - "maybe he's changed his mind!"

after voting for Bush based on what he was saying, i realized that character cannot be assessed based on words, only actions. i trusted Dr Paul because he has consistent action to back up his words. Bob Barr has actions that contradict his words. he may have truly changed, but i wanted to see it in practice before i trusted him, especially as president.

i have reservations about Baldwin for the same reasons. not because he has a bad track record, but because he has no track record at all. we have no idea whether he will stick to principles when he enters the snake pit.

[PatriotOne]

I think he's been got at by the Repubs

bad news imo

That implies he was legitimate in the first place. He's been a snake in the grass the whole time IMO.

[Sandra]

Let's watch the news coference before jumping to conclusions. What Barr says has a lot to do with unity. What I'm hearing now is a report of an altercation of other people , not Barr.

[eloquensanity]

I am now voting Nader because baldwin wont be on the ballot in TX

Baldwin will be a write in in Texas
:)

[Kotin]

Baldwin will be a write in in Texas
:)

oh Nice!!!


:D

[ClayTrainor]

If I voted for a socialist, I would pick McCain over Nader.

bleh...

Dont you get it? It's about destroying the 2 party system.

There are lots of socialists out there, and yes... i myself have strong disagreements with them, including nader.

However, he is an asset of ours now.

Ron paul understands, why dont you? We need to send a message to the establishment by not voting for the 2 party system any more.

Dont vote for nader, but for gods sakes dont vote for McCain!!! You have 4 3rd party options to choose from.

If we get the cumulative 3rd party votes anywhere around 20%, that could be enough momentum to really get the revolution flowing!

End the Fed, end the NAU, end the WARS.

It's about stopping globalization at this point!

Are you an american or a globalist?

[Menthol Patch]

Does this still describe the LP? I think there's room for doubt...

The LP is no longer the party of principle. It was taken over by the neocons.

[angelatc]

If I voted for a socialist, I would pick McCain over Nader.

Nope. At least Nader has the balls to be up front with his agenda.

[CasualApathy]

ARealConservative and stormcommander have been trolling these forums for a long time.

[amy31416]

Nope. At least Nader has the balls to be up front with his agenda.

+1

[ARealConservative]

ARealConservative and stormcommander have been trolling these forums for a long time.

not for much longer though.

I'm just watching the idiots start a bunch of fires before I walk out for good.

[pacelli]

I asked Barr Communications Director Shane Corey after the event why they pulled this stunt and was told to go f*** myself.

Literally?

[teshuah]

i've thrown around theidea of voting for him, and have even said I probalby will.. all the while when I would listen to him he came across as power hungry, wnating the office more than to serve the people- and it made me rethink my decision every time. now, i'm even more compelled to not do it.

[rockandrollsouls]

The LP is no longer the party of principle. It was taken over by the neocons.

Kid, how old are you? You probably aren't even registered with the LP.

[J.D. Seagraves]

Just wanted to let you know: The person Bob Barr allegedly beat out to be the LP nominee, Mary Ruwart, is a friend and fan of Ron Paul. I gave a speech at the Libertarian National Convention urging a nomination of Dr. Ruwart so that we could continue the Ron Paul Revolution through her candidacy. Radical Libertarians and conservative constitutionalists (Ron Paul is both) don't see eye to eye on every issue, but I want to make sure it is known that BOB BARR DOES NOT SPEAK FOR REAL LIBERTARIANS, PERIOD. He is a neocon abortionist thug who hijacked our party, and we are outraged at his no-show at this press conference.

Thank you.

[ARealConservative]

bleh...

Dont you get it? It's about destroying the 2 party system.

There are lots of socialists out there, and yes... i myself have strong disagreements with them, including nader.

However, he is an asset of ours now.

Ron paul understands, why dont you? We need to send a message to the establishment by not voting for the 2 party system any more.

Dont vote for nader, but for gods sakes dont vote for McCain!!! You have 4 3rd party options to choose from.

If we get the cumulative 3rd party votes anywhere around 20%, that could be enough momentum to really get the revolution flowing!

End the Fed, end the NAU, end the WARS.

It's about stopping globalization at this point!

Are you an american or a globalist?

I understood we were not going to win jackshit in 2008. I understood that back in May of 2007 when I signed up for this forum. I understood it when I drove all around the country handing out info. What I didn't understand is that the actually leaders of the movement would actively engage in the flame wars and try to divide the camps.

This dispute is not about issues of substance, it is an ego war about who showed up at a national presser. It is no different then arguing about lipstick on a pig hoping that no issues of substance are addressed.

I don't agree with Barr in skipping it, I don't even like Barr as a person. If I ever thought he could win, I would absolutely be opposed to anybody voting for him. I always thought this was about the future, and gaining ballot access for the next go round.

Apparently I was wrong. What a waste of time!

[SLSteven]

Apparently Barr doesn't need no stinkin Ron Paul supporters.

[Rhys]

ARealConservative and stormcommander have been trolling these forums for a long time.

ARC is one of the sharpest nails in our box.... stormcommander is his own man. you... are very accusatory and not helpful and add little to the debate.

[UtahApocalypse]

wow.

[angelatc]

What really makes me sad is that I suspect that Ron Paul was disappointed by Barr. People can disagree with Paul, and that's ok, but disappointing Paul? That's just wrong.

[SnappleLlama]

What really makes me sad is that I suspect that Ron Paul was disappointed by Barr. People can disagree with Paul, and that's ok, but disappointing Paul? That's just wrong.

+10,000 of Carol Paul's cookies

[CasualApathy]

ARC is one of the sharpest nails in our box.... stormcommander is his own man. you... are very accusatory and not helpful and add little to the debate.

Oh yeah, you're a troll too :p

[ARealConservative]

ARC is one of the sharpest nails in our box.... stormcommander is his own man. you... are very accusatory and not helpful and add little to the debate.

thanks Rhys.

I'm just shocked right now. Why would Barr and Don decide to open a pissing contest over this, and use the forums to suck others in? Barr will be nothing in 4 years.

[Rhys]

thanks Rhys.

I'm just shocked right now. Why would Barr and Don decide to open a pissing contest over this, and use the forums to suck others in? Barr will be nothing in 4 years.

makes ya wonder... but we are libertarians... that's what we do.

[V-rod]

I'm disappointed he mentioned Cynthia McKinney. She is so far to the left that she makes Obama look like Barry Goldwater. :rolleyes:

[CasualApathy]

Barr decided to abandon Ron Pauls event, what's so hard to understand about that? It's a slap in the faace of all of us and he deserves to be hated.

[ARealConservative]

Barr decided to abandon Ron Pauls event, what's so hard to understand about that? It's a slap in the faace of all of us and he deserves to be hated.

the event Ron Paul organized to bring unity to the third party candidates and his event coordinator posts this thread.

In all honesty, how do you think it is working out?

[jabrownie]

Deep down, I knew this man could not be trusted. I now have no one to vote for in AZ. I think I'll move to LA so I can vote for Ron Paul.

Actually, I was wondering about this. Could we all just get post office boxes in either Louisiana or Montana that way we have a legal address there and could vote in one of those two states for Paul? Basically do what Hillary did to qualify to run for senate in New York a number of years ago?

Anyone know the answer?

[Rhys]

Actually, I was wondering about this. Could we all just get post office boxes in either Louisiana or Montana that way we have a legal address there and could vote in one of those two states for Paul? Basically do what Hillary did to qualify to run for senate in New York a number of years ago?

Anyone know the answer?

we could, but we'd be about 300 electoral college votes shy of a win.

[Hamer]

your actions right now totally contradict the message of the Paul news conference.

Why would you favor fueling the feud between separate third party movements?

I disagree, Just because you run as a 3rd party doesn;t mean you are in it for the right reasons and I believe Don is just exposing the truth about Bob Barr.

Bob Barr will never see a vote from me and I am now 100% voting for Chcuk Baldwin www.baldwin2008.com

[voytechs]

I just sat in stunned silence as Bob Barr blatantly lied to the national press corp (or the half dozen members that bothered to show up). He stated that he had not committed to attend this press conference. This is patently false. He was fully committed to attend until 30 minutes before when Russ Varney called Jesse Benton and said that Barr was out. This man has not one ounce of integrity in his body.

Adam Kokesh stood up during the press conference, denounced Barr and withdrew his support. Several others in the room quickly followed. Great job Adam!

I asked Barr Communications Director Shane Corey after the event why they pulled this stunt and was told to go f*** myself.

Wow, if true. Do we have a second confirmation of this development?

[tropicangela]

I didn't feel right about Barr all along either... was thinking Baldwin too.

[moostraks]

makes ya wonder... but we are libertarians... that's what we do.

Maybe there is a seed of hope in each of us that we could defeat the two party machine and if it means I know something that calls into serious question one of the people who could have the Whitehouse then I am duty bound to make it known.(Devils advocate here) Liberatarians have an idealistic streak in them so they believe anything is possible.:D

Barr has been a plant to cause chaos,imho. I used to live in Georgia until just recently. I was flabberghasted that they would pick HIM of all people with a track record so antithetical to what liberatarians believe. This whole years worth of campaigning has been a series of showing just how much the public will take if you put media spin on it. From Obama "the messiah", then Huckabee "out of nowhere popularity" to the McCain "he wasn't my choice but let's get behind him" nomination, throw in Bob Barr the "neo-con liberatarian". Ron Paul the real deal money making machine draws no votes?? Aaack! I am still trying to undderstand how Palin is getting Christian conservative votes and its all about the spin.

People are going to vote for who the choose. If you can still vote for Barr after this stunt then you have a higher threshold for pain than those of us who see once a neo-con always a neo-con...

[moostraks]

Wow, if true. Do we have a second confirmation of this development?

LOL!!! spoken like a true Paul supporter. Can I see youtube? Do we have visual confirmation by an unbiased third party...LOL!

[Rhys]

Maybe there is a seed of hope in each of us that we could defeat the two party machine and if it means I know something that calls into serious question one of the people who could have the Whitehouse then I am duty bound to make it known.(Devils advocate here) Liberatarians have an idealistic streak in them so they believe anything is possible.:D

Barr has been a plant to cause chaos,imho. I used to live in Georgia until just recently. I was flabberghasted that they would pick HIM of all people with a track record so antithetical to what liberatarians believe. This whole years worth of campaigning has been a series of showing just how much the public will take if you put media spin on it. From Obama "the messiah", then Huckabee "out of nowhere popularity" to the McCain "he wasn't my choice but let's get behind him" nomination, throw in Bob Barr the "neo-con liberatarian". Ron Paul the real deal money making machine draws no votes?? Aaack! I am still trying to undderstand how Palin is getting Christian conservative votes and its all about the spin.

People are going to vote for who the choose. If you can still vote for Barr after this stunt then you have a higher threshold for pain than those of us who see once a neo-con always a neo-con...

I agree with you that he's a lightning rod for our opposition. it still makes ya wonder though.

[Pete]

This thread indicates that Barr signed the agreement and had good things to say about RP, even if he didn't show:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=154479

So, it doesn't look quite as though he threw RP under the bus as we feared, but solidarity would have been better.

Edit: Don, I hope this doesn't contradict your observations. My understanding is still that he lied about appearing at RP's conference.

[CasualApathy]

the event Ron Paul organized to bring unity to the third party candidates and his event coordinator posts this thread.

In all honesty, how do you think it is working out?

Its working out great, we are all united against Barr and for all other 3rd party candidates!

[jabrownie]

we could, but we'd be about 300 electoral college votes shy of a win.

Didn't care so much about the electoral math as about the ability to vote for Dr. Paul in the general. But hey, it would be an interesting idea. With the electorial math so close, taking Montana out of McCain's category and giving it to Paul would likely cause McCain to lose it all. It's got a really low population, maybe it should be considered. If nothing else it would force the Repubs to give us some degree of respect lest we do the same in 2012.

[dawnbt]

your actions right now totally contradict the message of the Paul news conference.

Why would you favor fueling the feud between separate third party movements?

He was asked to report what he heard...he did. Give the guy a break. It may not be what you want to hear, but it is what it is.

[ARealConservative]

Its working out great, we are all united against Barr and for all other 3rd party candidates!

we all are huh? how sure are you of this?

[angelatc]

I didn't feel right about Barr all along either... .

Me either. Voting record aside, my gut never felt right about Barr.


But I'd still vote for him over McCain. I am pretty sure Baldwin is on the MI ballot, butif he wasn't I'd vote Barr.

[dawnbt]

Actually, I was wondering about this. Could we all just get post office boxes in either Louisiana or Montana that way we have a legal address there and could vote in one of those two states for Paul? Basically do what Hillary did to qualify to run for senate in New York a number of years ago?

Anyone know the answer?

Baldwin is a write-in candidate in AZ.

[dawnbt]

Me either. Voting record aside, my gut never felt right about Barr.


But I'd still vote for him over McCain. I am pretty sure Baldwin is on the MI ballot, butif he wasn't I'd vote Barr.

Baldwin IS on the MI ballot!:D

[reduen]

we all are huh? how sure are you of this?

Well, I have always had a little respect for you and storm both but I will not vote for Barr now.

It was between Barr and Baldwin still for me until now. I honestly have grave concern for Barr's intentions...

Think what you want of me but it's on the line here.. :rolleyes:

[airborne373]

Bob Barr Exposed!

Bob Barr a neocon diversion (http://www.dailynewscaster.com/2008/09/10/bob-barr-a-neocon-diversion/)

[revolutionary8]

I just sat in stunned silence as Bob Barr blatantly lied to the national press corp (or the half dozen members that bothered to show up). He stated that he had not committed to attend this press conference. This is patently false. He was fully committed to attend until 30 minutes before when Russ Varney called Jesse Benton and said that Barr was out. This man has not one ounce of integrity in his body.

Adam Kokesh stood up during the press conference, denounced Barr and withdrew his support. Several others in the room quickly followed. Great job Adam!

I asked Barr Communications Director Shane Corey after the event why they pulled this stunt and was told to go f*** myself.
Thanks for the information Don.
As disappointing and surprising this is to some people, the good news is that patriots like Adam Kokesh earn more respect, notoriety and credibility.
Adam's site- http://kokesh.blogspot.com/ (http://http://kokesh.blogspot.com/)
I am not surprised in the least by Bob Barr's abhorrent actions, but I feel bad for those who once had faith that he had "changed". He is no friend to real Libertarians or Ron Paul. It is clear by watching the PC that Ron Paul thought Bob was going to show up at any moment. What a liar that man is. Too bad RP took the man's word that he would be there.

Shane Corey- What a great communicator. :rolleyes: Good goin' Bob! You picked another wiener.
The Libertarians should abandon Bob Barr, not their ideals by standing behind a lying, sneaky Neocon with an L by his name. He is out to take the Libertarian party down, and divide this movement.

If I didn't have Baldwin as choice, I would vote for Cynthia McKinney or Nader before voting for a lying scumbag that has a coms director that tells patriots like Don Rasmussen to go * himself.

[acptulsa]

Me either. Voting record aside, my gut never felt right about Barr.


But I'd still vote for him over McCain. I am pretty sure Baldwin is on the MI ballot, butif he wasn't I'd vote Barr.

Yeah. There's no one else on the ballot here, so I probably will vote for Barr. This isn't a vote of confidence, mind you. This is simply because I believe and have long believed what Ron Paul said today. Reject the two at any cost, what else is there?

[Cowlesy]

I don't think Barr is a plant, or a wolf in sheep's clothing/snake in the grass, or unprincipled...I just think he's a huge flaming jackass.

[Hurricane Bruiser]

i never trusted Barr. i didn't care much what he had to say on the campaign trail. what i cared about was what he has done. most politicians talk a good talk when they're campaigning. McCain has been trying to talk like a conservative lately. so conservatives are being duped - "maybe he's changed his mind!"

after voting for Bush based on what he was saying, i realized that character cannot be assessed based on words, only actions. i trusted Dr Paul because he has consistent action to back up his words. Bob Barr has actions that contradict his words. he may have truly changed, but i wanted to see it in practice before i trusted him, especially as president.

i have reservations about Baldwin for the same reasons. not because he has a bad track record, but because he has no track record at all. we have no idea whether he will stick to principles when he enters the snake pit.



++2

[georgiapeach]

Oh God, I am so confused....:confused:
Only people on the ballot in GA are McBama and Barr. I guess I will have to write RP in, and know my vote is going in the trash.

[skiingff]

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[CasualApathy]

we all are huh? how sure are you of this?

Well except for the trolls and the 10% of people who are allways wrong about any given issue.

[SnappleLlama]

Grow up.

:confused:

[moostraks]

Grow up.

Grow up? How dare you...Bob Barr snubbs the very movement he wants to aid and puts out propaganda trash on how "Bob Barr Shows Leadership to Unify Liberty Movement"? This person has the right to speak their mind. This is still the ron paul forums last I looked!!!

[nc4rp]

Ron wont trade is congressional seat just to lose the presidential race. Barr is up to shenanagins.

[nc4rp]

give it up, Ron Paul supporters dont get to participate in the US presidential election in 2008. Now Jesse in 2012, theres a possibility..

[DRV45N05]

Ron wont trade is congressional seat just to lose the presidential race. Barr is up to shenanagins.

His Congressional seat is locked up. He has no opposition, and if the GOP would throw him out if he endorsed the Libertarian Party candidate, then I'm sure the argument could also be made by them to do so for effectively endorsing multiple 3rd Party Candidates.

What Dr. Paul could be worried about losing are his Committee assignments, including his Ranking Member position on the Financial Services Committee. But I would argue it's more important to back the Party who truly represent his views (the Libertarian Party, of which he is a dues paying member) rather than be able to hound Ben Bernanke every month.

[BigFatRock]

Ron would most likely be finished in his congressional district if he switched parties.

[mlmvh]

Oh God, I am so confused....:confused:
Only people on the ballot in GA are McBama and Barr. I guess I will have to write RP in, and know my vote is going in the trash.


You can write in Chuck Baldwin; he has registered as a write-in candidate in GA.

[0zzy]

Adam Kokesh is gangster as shiz. i love the guy!

Barr, you disappointed me. I defended you so many times before, but wow. I'll probably still vote for you, cause no one else is in CA that I like, so...I STILL HATE YOU!

*runs*

[RickyJ]

I am now voting Nader because baldwin wont be on the ballot in TX

You can write him in.

[speciallyblend]

Did Barr confirm that he was on board with the other Third Parties ?

who is barr again? look barr is finished and he just crushed the lp support so i say he was a republican plant in the lp and the lp just got screwed because now the lp will get screwed by me and others, dam barr and the lp

[speciallyblend]

Adam Kokesh is gangster as shiz. i love the guy!

Barr, you disappointed me. I defended you so many times before, but wow. I'll probably still vote for you, cause no one else is in CA that I like, so...I STILL HATE YOU!

*runs*

ozzy no , you call barr and tell him to stick it where the sun doesn't shine ,please do not support this evil man lesser of 3 evils do not help him,please pretty please

[LJHudd]

You can write in Chuck Baldwin; he has registered as a write-in candidate in GA.Baldwin is also registered here in Texas as a 'write in' candidate. The option will be given to us on these lovely diebold machines. RP is not registered as a write in here, so our lovely diebold machine won't present him as an option.

[torchbearer]

Deep down, I knew this man could not be trusted. I now have no one to vote for in AZ. I think I'll move to LA so I can vote for Ron Paul.

If you are a volunteer staying at my house, you can register to vote here.
(got at least one person from texas coming here to vote for Ron)
I only have one reservation so far for out-of-state volunteers, I can host up to 3 more people.

[torchbearer]

give it up, Ron Paul supporters dont get to participate in the US presidential election in 2008. Now Jesse in 2012, theres a possibility..

Montana and Louisiana have Ron Paul on the ballot.

[torchbearer]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3085/2841290573_1ff17ce86d_b.jpg

Come to Louisiana to vote for this best presidential ticket ever!

[kaleidoscope eyes]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3085/2841290573_1ff17ce86d_b.jpg

Come to Louisiana to vote for this best presidential ticket ever!

Now there's a thing of beauty! :)

Thanks torch

[Ninja Homer]

Don's comments aside, what was Barr's press conference about?

[amy31416]

Come to Louisiana to vote for this best presidential ticket ever!

Can we all use your address as our residence?

That'd be hilarious, thousands of people all voting from one address in LA.

[winston_blade]

He offered RP the vice presidential position.

[rockandrollsouls]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3085/2841290573_1ff17ce86d_b.jpg

Come to Louisiana to vote for this best presidential ticket ever!

If you want to talk about flip flopping....Goldwater Jr. is the one to mention. He did endorse McCain...

[UtahApocalypse]

He offered RP the vice presidential position.

And you fell for the trap :rolleyes:

[winston_blade]

And you fell for the trap :rolleyes:

No. What are you talking about? I just read it off his website.

[torchbearer]

Can we all use your address as our residence?

That'd be hilarious, thousands of people all voting from one address in LA.

Yes you can... though it would work better if everyone spread around with the other ron paul voting residents.

[freelance]

the event Ron Paul organized to bring unity to the third party candidates and his event coordinator posts this thread.

In all honesty, how do you think it is working out?

Do you think that's what opened this can o' worms?

[torchbearer]

If you want to talk about flip flopping....Goldwater Jr. is the one to mention. He did endorse McCain...

Goldwater was approached at the Rally by Heath from the forums, he told him of the ticket and Goldwater said he accepted the nomination.
Paul once campaigned for a goldwater...
A goldwater has now campaigned for a Paul...
Now they can campaign together.

[UtahApocalypse]

No. What are you talking about? I just read it off his website.

Lesson Time....

Over the past 2 years Ron Paul has stated 100's of times he would not, and could not run independent or third party. Bob Barr knows that unequivocally Ron Paul could not accept the offer. He only made the offer to ensure he could use Ron Paul's refusal against us. If you think he truly wanted Dr. Paul to take the bait, you fell for the trap.

[freelance]

Lesson Time....

Over the past 2 years Ron Paul has stated 100's of times he would not, and could not run independent or third party. Bob Barr knows that unequivocally Ron Paul could not accept the offer. He only made the offer to ensure he could use Ron Paul's refusal against us. If you think he truly wanted Dr. Paul to take the bait, you fell for the trap.

Finally ... truth!

[winston_blade]

Lesson Time....

Over the past 2 years Ron Paul has stated 100's of times he would not, and could not run independent or third party. Bob Barr knows that unequivocally Ron Paul could not accept the offer. He only made the offer to ensure he could use Ron Paul's refusal against us. If you think he truly wanted Dr. Paul to take the bait, you fell for the trap.

I knew RP wouldn't take it. I was just making a statement. It seems that there was some miscommunication here:)

[Knightskye]

Least they didn't kick Don out of their press conference.

And we're calling for a "big tent"?

How about we start showing it, guys?

[mmink15]

Just noticed Bob Barr link removed from Adam Kokesh's website
It was on the right hand side
http://kokesh.blogspot.com/

[Cowlesy]

just a bummer...

[SnappleLlama]

Just noticed Bob Barr link removed from Adam Kokesh's website
It was on the right hand side
http://kokesh.blogspot.com/

A man true to his word...thanks, Adam!

[MozoVote]

I don't think Barr is a plant, or a wolf in sheep's clothing/snake in the grass, or unprincipled...I just think he's a huge flaming jackass.

GUMP!! You are a fucking genious! ;)

[Cowlesy]

GUMP!! You are a fucking genious! ;)

Forrest Gump --- yeah that's pretty much me hahaha

[V4Vendetta]

Just noticed Bob Barr link removed from Adam Kokesh's website
It was on the right hand side
http://kokesh.blogspot.com/

lol, I've been waiting to see that.

Adam is the man!!!

[revolutionary8]

Forrest Gump --- yeah that's pretty much me hahaha

Run (for office) Cowlesy, Runnnn! :D

[syborius]

A good portion of the Ron Paul Repubs, at least the very naive ones are learning firsthand what politics is all about.
I warned, and warned, and warned, and warned what a piece of shit Bob Barr was from the start, and finally he shows his true colours.
He is nothing more than a Neocon traitor sent from bowels of the republican trenches to disrupt the liberty movement, he had many fooled until now.
I hope to hell the LP's throws out that piece of shit. I hope to hell they realize that they allowed a wolf in sheep's clothing to high jack their party.

[ARealConservative]

A good portion of the Ron Paul Repubs, at least the very naive ones are learning firsthand what politics is all about.
I warned, and warned, and warned, and warned what a piece of shit Bob Barr was from the start, and finally he shows his true colours.
He is nothing more than a Neocon traitor sent from bowels of the republican trenches to disrupt the liberty movement, he had many fooled until now.
I hope to hell the LP's throws out that piece of shit. I hope to hell they realize that they allowed a wolf in sheep's clothing to high jack their party.

so you come to our rescue and warn everybody not to vote for the libertarian party candidate in 2008 because that will help the liberty movement?

do you understand the difference between Barr getting .8% and 5% would have on future elections?

I'm not sure how an individual hijacks a party either, especially the Libertarian Party. Can you explain that a little more for me?

[revolutionary8]

so you come to our rescue and warn everybody not to vote for the libertarian party candidate in 2008 because that will help the liberty movement?

do you understand the difference between Barr getting .8% and 5% would have on future elections?

I'm not sure how an individual hijacks a party either, especially the Libertarian Party. Can you explain that a little more for me?

Don't mean to butt in, but how is the LP immune while the RP and DP are not?
Can you explain that a little more for me?

NO thanks for the Non-rescue, but throw me a LJ here, wood ya? ;)

[ARealConservative]

Don't mean to butt in, but how is the LP immune while the RP and DP are not?
Can you explain that a little more for me?

NO thanks for the Non-rescue, but throw me a LJ here, wood ya? ;)

where did I say they were immune?

[revolutionary8]

where did I say they were immune?

You didn't. You implied it.


I'm not sure how an individual hijacks a party either, especially the Libertarian Party. Can you explain that a little more for me?

[ARealConservative]

You didn't. You implied it.

I did?

how so?

[Pauls' Revere]

bleh...

Dont you get it? It's about destroying the 2 party system.

There are lots of socialists out there, and yes... i myself have strong disagreements with them, including nader.

However, he is an asset of ours now.

Ron paul understands, why dont you? We need to send a message to the establishment by not voting for the 2 party system any more.

Dont vote for nader, but for gods sakes dont vote for McCain!!! You have 4 3rd party options to choose from.

If we get the cumulative 3rd party votes anywhere around 20%, that could be enough momentum to really get the revolution flowing!

End the Fed, end the NAU, end the WARS.

It's about stopping globalization at this point!

Are you an american or a globalist?

EXACTOMUNDO!!!

ITS ABOUT BREAKING THE BACK OF THE TWO-PARTY SYSTEM AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF RP SAYS. SET ASIDE THE PETTY DIIFERENCES FOR NOW AND AT LEAST AGREE TO VOTE FOR A THIRD PARTY. OTHERWISE WERE ALL STUCK WITH THE SAME BS WE'VE BEEN DEALT WITH FOR DECADES. WE MUST THEN CHANGE THE CPD SO OTHERS CAN DEBATE AND BE HEARD. AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO WATCHED THIS?
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/61326
:)

[ProBlue33]

Adam Kokesh, Iraq War Veteran and Barr backer made this statement from the audience during the Barr press conference, “Leadership is not just about knowing when to lead, but knowing when to follow,” Kokesh said. “You failed that test today and I retract my endorsement of you.”

I agree 1000% with Adam's statement, he has been in the thick of this battle latlely more than anybody posting here I would guess, he is making the right call, everybody should follow his lead.

I was very impressed with his speech at the Rally.

Barr says the press conference that would have got him way more votes "wasn't worth it", the man is clueless, and it's a huge insult to Ron Paul who was trying to help him.

Politically biting a large hand that can feed you. Just insane, nothing can repair this for Barr

[RickyJ]

Barr says the press conference that would have got him way more votes "wasn't worth it", the man is clueless, and it's a huge insult to Ron Paul who was trying to help him.

It's not worth even talking about Bob Barr anymore. We have important problems in this nation that we can do something about, worrying about some washed up politician from times past is a waste of time.

[Chester Copperpot]

What really makes me sad is that I suspect that Ron Paul was disappointed by Barr. People can disagree with Paul, and that's ok, but disappointing Paul? That's just wrong.

I felt that too. There was a part in the live video where RP was checking the time and said something like "We can see if Bob will be here in a few minutes or so"

I suspect one reason they ran over time was purposely so Barr would have more time to get there..

I felt bad also that Ron Paul may have been personally let down by Bob Barr.

All of us on these forums would do anything in our power not to disappoint the man... so now, I have to say that this will probably mean me not voting for barr either..

Originally, I would have.. even earlier today I kinda blew it off.. But now, Itll be either Baldwin or Nader.

[ToyBoat]

Not to go off topic here, but how do you find out who will be on the ballot in you state?

[musicmax]

Not to go off topic here, but how do you find out who will be on the ballot in you state?

Call your local or state Board Of Elections. They're usually listed in the government "blue pages" of your phone book or you can just Google XXXXX County Board Of Elections.

[deadserious]

Not to go off topic here, but how do you find out who will be on the ballot in you state?

http://www.ballot-access.org/ballot-chart.html

[THulsey]

I am greatly puzzled by the notions on this forum that politics is a realization not just of philosophy (à la Ayn Rand), but every personal desideratum. Here, everything from damnation for "evil" facial hair to melodramatic walkouts is supposed to be tolerated!

A key reason for keeping government small is that every one of the few goods it delivers is "one size fits all" -- you don't get your way. Bob Barr is one who has recanted from Conservatism to embrace Libertarianism. If you're going to do politics, you have to accept this blessing and show an agreeable leniency for the details. Hairsplitting doesn't make you look smarter -- it makes you look sophomoric.

So, at least let's hear Barr's account of the events before tarring and feathering him. His official reply says:
"First, the Barr campaign met with Ron Paul's staffers yesterday afternoon to deliver the offer of the LP's VP slot to Ron Paul and to discuss the details of the event that Bob Barr was invited to attend. More details were to be submitted to the Barr campaign but did not arrive until nearly 3 a.m. the morning of the event. At 9 a.m. Barr's campaign manager, Russell Verney, informed the Paul campaign that Bob would not be attending however he would still give his backing of the four principles highlighted by Dr. Paul."

Also, when I subscribed to this site I agreed that I would use no profanity -- and yet a "senior member" feels free to call Bob Barr "a piece of s**t". Just because the offended party can't reach into your monitor and jerk you up by the collar doesn't mean you should cease to be a gentleman.

[SLSteven]

I am greatly puzzled by the notions on this forum that politics is a realization not just of philosophy (à la Ayn Rand), but every personal desideratum. Here, everything from damnation for "evil" facial hair to melodramatic walkouts is supposed to be tolerated!

A key reason for keeping government small is that every one of the few goods it delivers is "one size fits all" -- you don't get your way. Bob Barr is one who has recanted from Conservatism to embrace Libertarianism. If you're going to do politics, you have to accept this blessing and show an agreeable leniency for the details. Hairsplitting doesn't make you look smarter -- it makes you look sophomoric.

So, at least let's hear Barr's account of the events before tarring and feathering him. His official reply says:
"First, the Barr campaign met with Ron Paul's staffers yesterday afternoon to deliver the offer of the LP's VP slot to Ron Paul and to discuss the details of the event that Bob Barr was invited to attend. More details were to be submitted to the Barr campaign but did not arrive until nearly 3 a.m. the morning of the event. At 9 a.m. Barr's campaign manager, Russell Verney, informed the Paul campaign that Bob would not be attending however he would still give his backing of the four principles highlighted by Dr. Paul."

Also, when I subscribed to this site I agreed that I would use no profanity -- and yet a "senior member" feels free to call Bob Barr "a piece of s**t". Just because the offended party can't reach into your monitor and jerk you up by the collar doesn't mean you should cease to be a gentleman.

Welcome to the Forums!

[torchbearer]

Welcome to the Forums!

+1 Welcome. Remember to pick up your hard hat at the front office.

[Sandra]

It really does seem that Barr's intentions were to sour the press conference. Instead he fanned the flames. Or was all this intended? Public Relations can spin so many ways. Oh well, the TP's got big press! I hate to judge the guy too harshly.

[tonesforjonesbones]

Don, I would like to know why the C4L people put out that Bob Barr was dropping out of the race and then smiled and said "it' good for press".? What the heck is THAT about? Did Ron Paul say ya'll could do that? Tones

[revolutionary8]

I am greatly puzzled by the notions on this forum that politics is a realization not just of philosophy (à la Ayn Rand), but every personal desideratum. Here, everything from damnation for "evil" facial hair to melodramatic walkouts is supposed to be tolerated!

A key reason for keeping government small is that every one of the few goods it delivers is "one size fits all" -- you don't get your way. Bob Barr is one who has recanted from Conservatism to embrace Libertarianism. If you're going to do politics, you have to accept this blessing and show an agreeable leniency for the details. Hairsplitting doesn't make you look smarter -- it makes you look sophomoric.

So, at least let's hear Barr's account of the events before tarring and feathering him. His official reply says:
"First, the Barr campaign met with Ron Paul's staffers yesterday afternoon to deliver the offer of the LP's VP slot to Ron Paul and to discuss the details of the event that Bob Barr was invited to attend. More details were to be submitted to the Barr campaign but did not arrive until nearly 3 a.m. the morning of the event. At 9 a.m. Barr's campaign manager, Russell Verney, informed the Paul campaign that Bob would not be attending however he would still give his backing of the four principles highlighted by Dr. Paul."

Also, when I subscribed to this site I agreed that I would use no profanity -- and yet a "senior member" feels free to call Bob Barr "a piece of s**t". Just because the offended party can't reach into your monitor and jerk you up by the collar doesn't mean you should cease to be a gentleman.

bob barr is a liar. He lied to Ron Paul. You might notice that at the PC, Ron Paul was saying "Bob might show up at any minute".
Just try asking me who I believe- Bob Barr or Ron Paul, "Ft. W".
That would be the jist of your post. ;)

[revolutionary8]

Welcome to the Forums!

Yeah, right, Ft. W hasn't been here alllll along. :rolleyes:

[revolutionary8]

+1 Welcome. Remember to pick up your hard hat at the front office.

Ugh.
Your Ego sux.

[THulsey]

You're certainly right that RP has more character and integrity than Barr.
But personal, even character, considerations are near the bottom of the list in determining who I support. Once you sort out the "evidence", then you have to deal with the passions of the (usually well-intentioned) actors at the moment, then you have to consider each player's notion of what he thought was the context of his actions, then you have to consider "well, was he cross because his hemorrhoids were acting up?" (This nation fought two Barbary Wars just because some diplomat was swatted on the head by a perspiring, uncomfortable sultan.) -- Either I'm just too lazy to play god, or I'm nauseated by the thought that most actors are driven by their glands, or this minutia just bores the crap out of me. The shortcut from this miasma is just to ask: What choice offers the most effective prospects for my ideas? Even RP supports Barr; even DNolan supports Barr (http://www.nolanchart.com/article4805.html) simply because they recognize that only ideas should drive these choices.

[Zeeder]

You're certainly right that RP has more character and integrity than Barr.
But personal, even character, considerations are near the bottom of the list in determining who I support. Once you sort out the "evidence", then you have to deal with the passions of the (usually well-intentioned) actors at the moment, then you have to consider each player's notion of what he thought was the context of his actions, then you have to consider "well, was he cross because his hemorrhoids were acting up?" (This nation fought two Barbary Wars just because some diplomat was swatted on the head by a perspiring, uncomfortable sultan.) -- Either I'm just too lazy to play god, or I'm nauseated by the thought that most actors are driven by their glands, or this minutia just bores the crap out of me. The shortcut from this miasma is just to ask: What choice offers the most effective prospects for my ideas? Even RP supports Barr; even DNolan supports Barr (http://www.nolanchart.com/article4805.html) simply because they recognize that only ideas should drive these choices.

I agree. What choice offers us the best prospect for liberty. Right now, that's breaking up the two party monopoly. You have to vote 3rd party. If Barr is on more ballots, then choose Barr.

[ARealConservative]

bob barr is a liar. He lied to Ron Paul. You might notice that at the PC, Ron Paul was saying "Bob might show up at any minute".
Just try asking me who I believe- Bob Barr or Ron Paul, "Ft. W".
That would be the jist of your post. ;)

wow, you need to open your eyes more.

Long before Paul said this, his handlers already kicked the Barr spokesman out of the room. They already handed out pre-printed fliers that did not have Barr on them.

The C4L - Don - clearly lied. And now they won't even address these obvious lies with us here.

[ACUTS]

I think he is an egotistical opportunist. I know people who have had to deal with him on capitol hill and have said the guy is a weasel. I can tell the guy is a fraud. I would never trust an CIA man. I have to vote for Chuck Baldwin

[rprprs]

wow, you need to open your eyes more.

Long before Paul said this, his handlers already kicked the Barr spokesman out of the room. They already handed out pre-printed fliers that did not have Barr on them.

The C4L - Don - clearly lied. And now they won't even address these obvious lies with us here.

I'm not comfortable with this "He said/She said" stuff. I much prefer to trust my own eyes and ears. And what I did see and hear, was Barr disparage and belittle Ron's efforts and press conference. And that VP offer was nothing more than a disingenuous, calculated, attention-grabbing stunt.
http://www.foxnews.com/video-search/m/20891752/out_with_the_old.htm
Barr has proven himself to be an arrogant and self-serving egotist. Prior to this incident, I was begrudgingly going to cast my vote for Barr. Now, he is dead to me.

[FindLiberty]

don't care. Voting LP - (for Barr... unless the LP replaces him with a better candidate).

[ArrestPoliticians]

EXACTOMUNDO!!!

ITS ABOUT BREAKING THE BACK OF THE TWO-PARTY SYSTEM AND ALL THE OTHER STUFF RP SAYS. SET ASIDE THE PETTY DIIFERENCES FOR NOW AND AT LEAST AGREE TO VOTE FOR A THIRD PARTY. OTHERWISE WERE ALL STUCK WITH THE SAME BS WE'VE BEEN DEALT WITH FOR DECADES. WE MUST THEN CHANGE THE CPD SO OTHERS CAN DEBATE AND BE HEARD. AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO WATCHED THIS?
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/61326
:)

Even Murray Rothbard, one of the founders of the Libertarian Party, the Cato Institute, and greatest Austrian Economists spoke strongly of uniting Libertarians and the Old Right with the New Left of his day, because they agreed on the most urgent issues. Once they establishment is washed away, then we can debate the finer points of honest political ideology, mmkay?

[syborius]

I still, to this day am trying to figure out what the LP was thinking in allowing Barr to become their candidate?
Was it a simple sell out to some third rate name recognition with possible insider pull? It certainly seems that way, and that usually is the beginning of the end of a political party if that is all it was.
I really hope the party can find a decent non-weasel candidate in the next 4 years because there is no other party I really Identify with. : (

I will just go with Baldwin for now, unless a miracle happens and Barr is removed, probably too late for that.