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RevolutionSD
09-10-2008, 10:43 AM
RP tells people to vote 3rd party and this is somehow HUGE? Am I missing something? This election will be absolutely no different than anything in the past. In fact it will be even less important to vote as there is virtually no difference btw McBoob and Obooba, and the 3rd party votes will be splintered.

I for one am simply staying home. Voting is nonsense.

UtahApocalypse
09-10-2008, 10:44 AM
Epic Fail once again. Im so done with this. Its clear to me the only chance we have to make change is the GRASSROOTS efforts only.

acptulsa
09-10-2008, 10:45 AM
Yeah. I think the biggest thing about it is Barr's refusal to show and his broken promise.

It isn't even up to Barr any more. If the members of the Libertarian Party want to save that organization, they need to act.

nullvalu
09-10-2008, 10:46 AM
I think it's a pretty good accomplishment, to get 4 different independent-minded people to agree on 4 cornerstone issues and sign the agreement? I don't think it's ever been done before or even suggested. I hope it gets people talking.

RevolutionSD
09-10-2008, 10:47 AM
Epic Fail once again. Im so done with this. Its clear to me the only chance we have to make change is the GRASSROOTS efforts only.

No. We need non-cooperation on a massive level. Playing politics simply does not work. We've proved this. The government will continue to grow until it collapses, like the USSR did.

For now we need civil disobedience. Trying to get libertarians or RP types elected is a complete waste of time, the system will never allow it, and even if we can get a handful into congress, nothing will change (just as it hasn't in RP's 30+ years).

afmatt
09-10-2008, 10:47 AM
Getting several distinct groups with WILDLY differing views on many subjects to work together to overcome a common problem counts as a Major announcement to me - don't knock what has been accomplished here just because it didn't happen to be the announcement that YOU wanted to hear at this point.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

RonPaulVolunteer
09-10-2008, 10:49 AM
To get the MSM's attention.

BenMuldowney
09-10-2008, 10:50 AM
Jesse Benton's name was on the press release that was misleading and over hyped. many are disappointed now and i don't blame them. I love Ron Paul but these stooges close to him scare me.... something inside me died when i watched that first paid commercial they slapped together. sigh

Sandra
09-10-2008, 10:51 AM
I think it's a pretty good accomplishment, to get 4 different independent-minded people to agree on 4 cornerstone issues and sign the agreement? I don't think it's ever been done before or even suggested. I hope it gets people talking.

Its an historic event, Never before accomplished, but these are desperate times.

Captain Bryan
09-10-2008, 10:51 AM
No. We need non-cooperation on a massive level. Playing politics simply does not work. We've proved this. The government will continue to grow until it collapses, like the USSR did.

For now we need civil disobedience. Trying to get libertarians or RP types elected is a complete waste of time, the system will never allow it, and even if we can get a handful into congress, nothing will change (just as it hasn't in RP's 30+ years).

So you're saying that in 10 or so years if we had a congress full of Ron Paul clones this would be a waste of time?

Sandra
09-10-2008, 10:52 AM
Some here are in it for the exitement but usually not the work.

micahnelson
09-10-2008, 10:52 AM
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

It is a major move, and third parties uniting is something the establishment would be concerned about. Unless the LP shows solidarity with this concept pretty soon they just may be out in the cold.

I know it might be scary to risk their coveted 1 half of 1 percent, but we all have to make sacrifices to illicit change.

SLSteven
09-10-2008, 10:53 AM
What is mystifying me is Barr's absence.

RevolutionSD
09-10-2008, 10:54 AM
It is a major move, and third parties uniting is something the establishment would be concerned about. Unless the LP shows solidarity with this concept pretty soon they just may be out in the cold.

I know it might be scary to risk their coveted 1 half of 1 percent, but we all have to make sacrifices to illicit change.

But the votes will still be splintered. Nader and Paul have nothing in common other than anti-war and being against the 2 parties. Nothing will change with this plan.

Jeremy
09-10-2008, 10:55 AM
I said more than once that people here were overhyping it

Sandra
09-10-2008, 10:55 AM
Jesse Benton's name was on the press release that was misleading and over hyped. many are disappointed now and i don't blame them. I love Ron Paul but these stooges close to him scare me.... something inside me died when i watched that first paid commercial they slapped together. sigh

Your easily defeated then?

Melissa
09-10-2008, 10:58 AM
Some here are in it for the exitement but usually not the work.

This needs to be said over and over and think which kind each of is then you can see motives

nullvalu
09-10-2008, 10:59 AM
Jesse Benton's name was on the press release that was misleading and over hyped. many are disappointed now and i don't blame them. I love Ron Paul but these stooges close to him scare me.... something inside me died when i watched that first paid commercial they slapped together. sigh

"He's catching on, I'm tellin' ya!" -- that line will live in infamy.

HOLLYWOOD
09-10-2008, 11:02 AM
Jesse Benton's name was on the press release that was misleading and over hyped. many are disappointed now and i don't blame them. I love Ron Paul but these stooges close to him scare me.... something inside me died when i watched that first paid commercial they slapped together. sigh

AMEN!

"Stooges" is a good descriptor... I think a few of us have used that before. Going on a year now, where's the professionals? :rolleyes:

tpreitzel
09-10-2008, 11:04 AM
I think it's a pretty good accomplishment, to get 4 different independent-minded people to agree on 4 cornerstone issues and sign the agreement? I don't think it's ever been done before or even suggested. I hope it gets people talking.

Although, I didn't see the press conference, I like the idea, too. I see this agreement as the basis for a larger independent movement later. In other words, the foundation is being laid for the creation of a more potent threat to the two party system. The question is: Do we have enough time?

micahnelson
09-10-2008, 11:04 AM
But the votes will still be splintered. Nader and Paul have nothing in common other than anti-war and being against the 2 parties. Nothing will change with this plan.

We have no chance of having a president outside of the big two this election cycle. This plan is just to make sure people vote for what they believe in, instead of choosing party A or party B. If anyone decides to consider alternatives to the establishment, it is good for the cause of liberty. Freedom of thought is paramount to our ability to inform the citizenry.

If there is a high, non DNC/GOP voter turnout it will have an impact.

I think people watch too many movies and think one man can make a difference. Your vote means nothing, and one person can't change anything without resorting to violence.

What does matter is your activism, your ability to educate and inform, and to work together for a common goal. No leader has ever single handedly changed the system.

Its not the man with the bullhorn, people, its the crowd he is speaking to that makes a difference.
Its not the general, its the troops.
Its not the coach, its the team.

Leaders help unite us, but we have to put in the effort if anything will change.

If one press conference could do it all, we would have done it by now.

christagious
09-10-2008, 11:17 AM
We have no chance of having a president outside of the big two this election cycle. This plan is just to make sure people vote for what they believe in, instead of choosing party A or party B. If anyone decides to consider alternatives to the establishment, it is good for the cause of liberty. Freedom of thought is paramount to our ability to inform the citizenry.

If there is a high, non DNC/GOP voter turnout it will have an impact.

I think people watch too many movies and think one man can make a difference. Your vote means nothing, and one person can't change anything without resorting to violence.

What does matter is your activism, your ability to educate and inform, and to work together for a common goal. No leader has ever single handedly changed the system.

Its not the man with the bullhorn, people, its the crowd he is speaking to that makes a difference.
Its not the general, its the troops.
Its not the coach, its the team.

Leaders help unite us, but we have to put in the effort if anything will change.

If one press conference could do it all, we would have done it by now.

That was pretty deep. Well said!

BLuegreengrey
09-10-2008, 11:18 AM
Opening up debates would be huge. I am confused as to how this could be insignificant. I have never heard of such a press release in my lifetime or in the history of the nation. It sounds about as far-fetched as a second rally in the twin cities did six months ago.

acptulsa
09-10-2008, 02:08 PM
Turned out pretty big, didn't it?

Grimnir Wotansvolk
09-10-2008, 02:12 PM
Getting two socialists and two libertarians to lock arms and vow to work together against the establishment is enormous. I only wish that the grassroots supporters had their integrity.

And once again, two socialists are now acting in opposition to the Federal Reserve. This could be the gateway to really fixing our economy, and perhaps opening up a serious debate about Keynesian vs. Chicagoan vs. Austrian economics that we so desperately need.

I just wish Paul had the foresight to do this with Gravel and Kucinich during the primaries.

gaazn
09-10-2008, 02:17 PM
It was a big announcement. Before the announcement, people figured Ron Paul would endorse or strongly support Bob Barr. This is not the case.

voytechs
09-10-2008, 02:18 PM
I think it was a really good speech and topic. It was a little dramatic on the advertising front but it did manage to get significant MSM coverage.

BarryDonegan
09-10-2008, 02:26 PM
thumbs down on this one.

the way it has played out, looks like R. Paul endorsed Ralph Nader. thats how CNN is spinning it, since they don't even count Cynthia McKinney and Chuck Baldwin as candidates at all.

everyone should have known that the libertarian party does not benefit from being viewed as one of 4 different 3rd party choices,especially when they have remained organized for many years with top shelf ballot access.

this whole deal is just plain bad stuff for everyone involved. ron paul and bob barr need to get on the phone and figure out how to fix this before the whole deal goes backwards.

BarryDonegan
09-10-2008, 02:28 PM
We have no chance of having a president outside of the big two this election cycle. This plan is just to make sure people vote for what they believe in, instead of choosing party A or party B. If anyone decides to consider alternatives to the establishment, it is good for the cause of liberty. Freedom of thought is paramount to our ability to inform the citizenry.

If there is a high, non DNC/GOP voter turnout it will have an impact.

I think people watch too many movies and think one man can make a difference. Your vote means nothing, and one person can't change anything without resorting to violence.

What does matter is your activism, your ability to educate and inform, and to work together for a common goal. No leader has ever single handedly changed the system.

Its not the man with the bullhorn, people, its the crowd he is speaking to that makes a difference.
Its not the general, its the troops.
Its not the coach, its the team.

Leaders help unite us, but we have to put in the effort if anything will change.

If one press conference could do it all, we would have done it by now.

i agree with this, and i agree that this was the intention, unfortunately, i think this could have been effectively done by ron paul giving a speech and inviting no guests.

this wound up being a win-win for ralph nader, who gets to associate himself with the RP movement without adjusting his platform.

ralph nader - 1, 3rd party politics - 1, ron paul's CFL - minus 1, Libertarian Party - minus 1.

thats the scoring im giving the current outcome of this event, in the way it will be viewed by everyone.

this is a serious bummer and ron paul and bob barr both need to get on the phone and figure something out.

zara oly
09-11-2008, 11:39 PM
No. We need non-cooperation on a massive level. Playing politics simply does not work. We've proved this. The government will continue to grow until it collapses, like the USSR did.

For now we need civil disobedience. Trying to get libertarians or RP types elected is a complete waste of time, the system will never allow it, and even if we can get a handful into congress, nothing will change (just as it hasn't in RP's 30+ years).


Ron Paul Press Club speech was an attempt to fracture the two-party system, not through apathy but through the ballot. In some way, that is a form of civil disobedience. I wonder about the consequences on the presidential elections, if this voting for the third party had strength.

zara oly
09-12-2008, 08:40 PM
By the way, I should say that, perhaps, a vote for the third party would only hurt one Republicrat, (wait up that, don't make sense. However, Dr. Paul noted the argument of "the lesser of two evils.") and that would be - BHO. Notice the strong anit-war message. This race is Obama's to lose.

IRO-bot
09-12-2008, 09:10 PM
Come on over 60% of America DOESN'T vote in the election. Those are the people we need to target. Only 30% decide America's next president and easily half are just voting party line. We need to wake up the 60% that was his message. WE ARE THE MAJORITY!!!!

Lovecraftian4Paul
09-12-2008, 10:30 PM
Come on over 60% of America DOESN'T vote in the election. Those are the people we need to target. Only 30% decide America's next president and easily half are just voting party line. We need to wake up the 60% that was his message. WE ARE THE MAJORITY!!!!

I agree. It's a bit mystifying though. How does one go about finding the non-voters?

IRO-bot
09-12-2008, 10:43 PM
I agree. It's a bit mystifying though. How does one go about finding the non-voters?

Hey neighbor whats up!!!!!! Do you vote?!? (60% chance he/she doesn't) Well can I talk to you?

westmich4paul
09-12-2008, 11:26 PM
thumbs down on this one.

the way it has played out, looks like R. Paul endorsed Ralph Nader. thats how CNN is spinning it, since they don't even count Cynthia McKinney and Chuck Baldwin as candidates at all.

everyone should have known that the libertarian party does not benefit from being viewed as one of 4 different 3rd party choices,especially when they have remained organized for many years with top shelf ballot access.

this whole deal is just plain bad stuff for everyone involved. ron paul and bob barr need to get on the phone and figure out how to fix this before the whole deal goes backwards.
Agreed why when he went on CNN with Blitzer did he not have all of the candidates with him? I find it hard to believe Balwdin or McKinney would nothave opted out of something else for the national airtime and with just Nader there it looked to most sheep like he and Nader joined forces.

Omphfullas Zamboni
09-12-2008, 11:32 PM
Barr would have received TV time.

RockEnds
09-12-2008, 11:34 PM
So was anyone listening when Dr. Paul suggested we could have our own election? I think that was pretty big.


There is only one way that these issues can get the attention they deserve: the silent majority must become the vocal majority.

This message can be sent to our leaders by not participating in the Great Distraction—the quadrennial campaign and election of an American President without a choice. Just think of how much of an edge a Vice President has in this process, and he or she is picked by a single person—the party’s nominee. This was never intended by the Constitution.

Since a principled non-voter sends a message, we must count them and recognize the message they are sending as well. The non-voters need to hold their own “election” by starting a “League of Non-voters” and explain their principled reasons for opting out of this charade of the presidential elective process. They just might get a bigger membership than anyone would guess.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/022773.html#more

Pauls' Revere
09-12-2008, 11:56 PM
I was hoping for an announcement that all non- DNC/GOP parties unified and would be known as the R3volution Party or Protest Party and start registering voters "legally" under such/said name through the CFL. Then come 2010 and subsequent election cycles the 60% majority takes control under the banner and platform under the issues agreed upon at the conference RP spoke at.