Is he or isn't he?

[cska80]

I'm so sick of looking at a policy, listening to the obvious phrases, etc. and then being told I'm an extremist for my views of Obama. So, what do you think?

[Truth Warrior]

I think CFR Director Michelle Obama may well be. ;)

[Kade]

Let's try a thought experiment...

Without attacking me or insulting me, please, (this includes links to other sites) explain in short but detailed sentences why Marxism is a bad thing...

When you do this, I will answer your question, with your own logic.

[Truth Warrior]

Let's try a thought experiment...

Without attacking me or insulting me, please, (this includes links to other sites) explain in short but detailed sentences why Marxism is a bad thing...

When you do this, I will answer your question, with your own logic.

Man, you've got a lot of just "made up" bogus rules, restrictions and constraints. :rolleyes:

http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism.html :D

[nullvalu]

Let's try a thought experiment...

Without attacking me or insulting me, please, (this includes links to other sites) explain in short but detailed sentences why Marxism is a bad thing...

When you do this, I will answer your question, with your own logic.

Because it doesn't work. It's a Utopian pipe-dream.

[ARealConservative]

Let's try a thought experiment...

Without attacking me or insulting me, please, (this includes links to other sites) explain in short but detailed sentences why Marxism is a bad thing...

When you do this, I will answer your question, with your own logic.

central planners may not care about my interests, they may not even care about the interests of the majority. Why would I willingly allow others to hold power over me if I can't be sure they will use this power for my own interests?

[Kade]

Listen, I'm not a Marxist. You don't need to convince me. I need real examples thought, as part of my answer to this question.

For instance, Truth Warrior believes Socialism is Marxism is Fascism, despite contrary evidence. Define an instance of Marxism... a tenet... and we can match this with Obama's policies.

[nullvalu]

Listen, I'm not a Marxist. You don't need to convince me. I need real examples thought, as part of my answer to this question.

For instance, Truth Warrior believes Socialism is Marxism is Fascism, despite contrary evidence. Define an instance of Marxism... a tenet... and we can match this with Obama's policies.

that's not what you asked.. you asked why Marxism is bad..

[Kade]

hmm was Kade scared off again? talking big, but when someone posts something logical in response, he disappears?

this kinda reminds me of a thread that happened.....umm... Yesterday (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=154144).

I work all day. I don't have time to answer right away...

And in regards to that thread, you never did give me the question again, you are just another instigator, and I will respond to your idiocy in due time... on my time, and no sooner. Those that are respectful and worth my time, (or just really fucking stupid), get immediate attention.

[Slugg]

Let's try a thought experiment...

Without attacking me or insulting me, please, (this includes links to other sites) explain in short but detailed sentences why Marxism is a bad thing...

When you do this, I will answer your question, with your own logic.

It is based on economic concepts which have proven incorrect, such as the idea of labor. The division of labor employed by a free market economy allows the 'poor' to thrive. Marx, however, combines labor into groups to be utilized by governors. Marx treats labor as a factor of production to be regulated by government. Like oil, water, and energy. He really thought the laborer was like a lump of coal to be used.

While it may sound okay in theory, the real problem becomes corruption. Because there is no 'economy' to speak of, the under ground economy blossoms. Like all organized crime rings and governments - they end up working together. The people suffer.

The purpose of free markets is to minimize corruption in government and keep power in the hands of the people - not faceless entities.

Is Obama a Marxist? In philosophy...probably not. Just like the most staunch libritarian would not endorse Anarchy - the most liberal of lefties do not endorse Marx. However, in practice I see Marxist qualities in Obama - so I voted yes.

[nullvalu]

I work all day. I don't have time to answer right away...

And in regards to that thread, you never did give me the question again, you are just another instigator, and I will respond to your idiocy in due time... on my time, and no sooner. Those that are respectful and worth my time, (or just really fucking stupid), get immediate attention.

You are lying. Go read it again.. I did post my question again.

[RJB]

To Kade:
I've heard that Marxism works in thoery, but I reject it because it leaves the most important variable out of the equation: individuality.

To the question of the original thread:
Actually Obama is a corporate facist posing as a marxist posing as a democrat.

[Truth Warrior]

Listen, I'm not a Marxist. You don't need to convince me. I need real examples thought, as part of my answer to this question.

For instance, Truth Warrior believes Socialism is Marxism is Fascism, despite contrary evidence. Define an instance of Marxism... a tenet... and we can match this with Obama's policies. I'd say despite a plethora of contrary merely bogus propagandistic spin and other BULLSHIT. :rolleyes: :)

http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism.html

And yet as a "liberal" ( so called ) you seem to ALWAYS find yourself on the side of defending, supporting and "championing" Marx and his progeny regimes, here on the RPF, of all places. It you ain't a Marxist, you're much more than close enough.<IMHO> Of course, we both know that you REALLY are. ;) Hence my honored place on your "ignore" list. :p :rolleyes:

[pacelli]

Let's try a thought experiment...

Without attacking me or insulting me, please, (this includes links to other sites) explain in short but detailed sentences why Marxism is a bad thing...

When you do this, I will answer your question, with your own logic.

Marxism in and of itself is not a bad or good thing, I just don't think it is right for me. I think Marxism is a bad thing for me because the 10 planks of the communist manifesto is a top-down system that promotes 'sharing the shortage' and makes it extremely difficult to be self-reliant.

Marxism promotes the abolition of private property which removes the ability of the people to do what they wish with the land upon which they reside. Marxism also promotes the confiscation of property which, I argue, reinforces the people to be fearful of the state and stifles political disagreement.

It promotes a heavy progressive income tax which takes money out of the hands of the people, which is essentially a form of restraint that prevents people from having an abundance or surplus.

Therefore, Marxism is bad for me because under such a system I would be unable to have an abundance of currency, property, and political opinion which dissents from the party.

[Kade]

It is based on economic concepts which have proven incorrect, such as the idea of labor. The division of labor employed by a free market economy allows the 'poor' to thrive. Marx, however, combines labor into groups to be utilized by governors. Marx treats labor as a factor of production to be regulated by government. Like oil, water, and energy. He really thought the laborer was like a lump of coal to be used.

While it may sound okay in theory, the real problem becomes corruption. Because there is no 'economy' to speak of, the under ground economy blossoms. Like all organized crime rings and governments - they end up working together. The people suffer.

The purpose of free markets is to minimize corruption in government and keep power in the hands of the people - not faceless entities.

Is Obama a Marxist? In philosophy...probably not. Just like the most staunch libritarian would not endorse Anarchy - the most liberal of lefties do not endorse Marx. However, in practice I see Marxist qualities in Obama - so I voted yes.

I understand why Marxism fails... that is not the debate. Is Obama a Marxist?

"We should be asking ourselves what mix of policies will lead to a dynamic free market and widespread economic security, entrepreneurial innovation and upward mobility [...] we should be guided by what works."

[Kade]

Therefore, Marxism is bad for me because under such a system I would be unable to have an abundance of currency, property, and political opinion which dissents from the party.

Does Obama want to reduce the ability to gain an abundance of property and currency, and stifle political dissent?

No. He doesn't.

[ARealConservative]

Does Obama want to reduce the ability to gain an abundance of property and currency, and stifle political dissent?

No. He doesn't.

clearly yes. Like most of today's political class, he feels the majority get to define "abundance" and take action against those that qualify.

[Kade]

clearly yes. Like most of today's political class, he feels the majority get to define "abundance" and take action against those that qualify.

Fine, you guys are wearing me down (not intellectually, but emotionally).

Obama is a Marxist.
I am a Marxist, Globalist, Socialist, and a Fascist, probably worse than Hitler. I worship the Federal Reserve, and I worship the censorship of Ideas and Thoughts. I believe in Communal Property. I Believe that all babies should be killed, and that people should be forced to watch gays having sex right before they get married. I believe the Army and Police should be one, and that they should come to your house, rape your wife, and take your guns. I think we should be allowed to teach our kids to worship the flag and the King James Bible only. I believe non-Christians should be forced to leave this country.


You folks happy now?

[Kade]

You are lying. Go read it again.. I did post my question again.

You are correct. You posted your question in a very respectful and non-instigating manner. I was wrong to have ignored you. The point you made was valid, and I now understand the error of my ways. Congratulations, you are a forum superstar.

[Kade]

I'd say despite a plethora of contrary merely bogus propagandistic spin and other BULLSHIT. :rolleyes: :)

http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism.html

And yet as a "liberal" ( so called ) you seem to ALWAYS find yourself on the side of defending, supporting and "championing" Marx and his progeny regimes, here on the RPF, of all places. It you ain't a Marxist, you're much more than close enough.<IMHO> Of course, we both know that you REALLY are. ;) Hence my honored place on your "ignore" list. :p :rolleyes:

George Clooney, I have removed you from my ignore list. Thank you for reminding me that I am a Fascist. I hope that our newly shared ideals will prosper in this conformity of thought that we represent. I embrace everything you say. We are true individuals!

[ARealConservative]

Fine, you guys are wearing me down (not intellectually, but emotionally).

Obama is a Marxist.
I am a Marxist, Globalist, Socialist, and a Fascist, probably worse than Hitler. I worship the Federal Reserve, and I worship the censorship of Ideas and Thoughts. I believe in Communal Property. I Believe that all babies should be killed, and that people should be forced to watch gays having sex right before they get married. I believe the Army and Police should be one, and that they should come to your house, rape your wife, and take your guns. I think we should be allowed to teach our kids to worship the flag and the King James Bible only. I believe non-Christians should be forced to leave this country.


You folks happy now?

of course not.

But to know you are emotionally exhausted is a step in the right direction.

[Kade]

of course not.

But to know you are emotionally exhausted is a step in the right direction.

We must all wear each other down, until those of us who would dare think outside the box are broken. Then we can promote that which will ensure our glorious leaders and GOD Jesus in beautiful Theocratic union and represent, have ultimate say on our lives, as it should be... we must become the tyranny we speak out against. We must destroy.

[Truth Warrior]

Fine, you guys are wearing me down (not intellectually, but emotionally).

Obama is a Marxist.
I am a Marxist, Globalist, Socialist, and a Fascist, probably worse than Hitler. I worship the Federal Reserve, and I worship the censorship of Ideas and Thoughts. I believe in Communal Property. I Believe that all babies should be killed, and that people should be forced to watch gays having sex right before they get married. I believe the Army and Police should be one, and that they should come to your house, rape your wife, and take your guns. I think we should be allowed to teach our kids to worship the flag and the King James Bible only. I believe non-Christians should be forced to leave this country.


You folks happy now? No, because you're still here, just basking in the glow your victim-hood, ( self imposed ).

http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism.html

[Natalie]

4 people said he's not a marxist?! lol! fools...

[Natalie]

Marxism does not work. Communist countries can barely feed their own people. Capitalism is the most successful economic plan.

[Kade]

No, because you're still here, just basking in the glow your victim-hood, ( self imposed ).

http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism.html

Nobody can be a victim George, nobody. We must all serve the collective, we must all serve each other. Thank you for opening my eyes and posting the link again.

[Mini-Me]

Strictly speaking, Obama is not a quintessential Marxist. After all, he does not seem to want to go to typical Marxist extremes in violating individual liberty for the "greater good." Taken to its logical conclusion, Marxism embodied as Communism requires an utterly totalitarian state. Obama differs greatly from Marx in terms of degree, since he's certainly not an all-out Communist. Similarly, ordinary socialists also differ from Marx (and Communists) in terms of degree. However, that's the slippery thing about collectivism in general and Marxism in particular: When you believe in government with arbitrary powers over individuals (for the "greater good"), the debate is no longer a matter of principle but a matter of degree. Therefore, the debate devolves into subjective value judgments about, "Just how arbitrary should government be? Just how much should it infringe upon personal liberty to pursue other goals?" When there are no clear boundary lines, it's very easy for a politician to argue for government to have "just one more" power over individuals...and when you're debating about subjective degrees instead of objective principles, it's hard to tell where they want to draw the line, both in terms of what should be tolerated and how to classify belief systems that differ only by degree (and everybody will make a different value judgment).

In other words...I would say that in principle, Obama can be considered a Marxist, but in practice, he has not gone far enough down the slippery slope to truly join the ranks of the comrades...at least in my opinion (since I have no choice but to be subjective).

[Kade]

Strictly speaking, Obama is not a quintessential Marxist. After all, he does not seem to want to go to typical Marxist extremes in violating individual liberty for the "greater good." Taken to its logical conclusion, Marxism embodied as Communism requires an utterly totalitarian state. Obama differs greatly from Marx in terms of degree, since he's certainly not an all-out Communist. Similarly, ordinary socialists also differ from Marx (and Communists) in terms of degree. However, that's the slippery thing about collectivism in general and Marxism in particular: When you believe in government with arbitrary powers over individuals (for the "greater good"), the debate is no longer a matter of principle but a matter of degree. Therefore, the debate devolves into subjective value judgments about, "Just how arbitrary should government be? Just how much should it infringe upon personal liberty to pursue other goals?" When there are no clear boundary lines, it's very easy for a politician to argue for government to have "just one more" power over individuals...and when you're debating about subjective degrees instead of objective principles, it's hard to tell where they want to draw the line, both in terms of what should be tolerated and how to classify belief systems that differ only by degree (and everybody will make a different value judgment).

In other words...I would say that in principle, Obama can be considered a Marxist, but in practice, he has not gone far enough down the slippery slope to truly join the ranks of the comrades...at least in my opinion (since I have no choice but to be subjective).

Who are you to question the collective?

[Truth Warrior]

Nobody can be a victim George, nobody. We must all serve the collective, we must all serve each other. Thank you for opening my eyes and posting the link again.

"By their body count, ye shall know them."

[ARealConservative]

We must all wear each other down, until those of us who would dare think outside the box are broken. Then we can promote that which will ensure our glorious leaders and GOD Jesus in beautiful Theocratic union and represent, have ultimate say on our lives, as it should be... we must become the tyranny we speak out against. We must destroy.

outside of one box but square in the middle of a larger two dimensional rectangle.

[Kade]

"By their body count, ye shall know them."

"By their idiocy ye shall worship them."

You are my "Hero" Clooney. I worship your useless posts. I am astounded that I cannot enter into the level of intellectual stagnation required to consciously contemplate your uselessness. I am in utter shock and awe of your inanity. I worship it.

[Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice]

A collectivist society is a natural evolution once all truth is known (leads to harmonious agreement). Attempting a Marxist society before such a time is nonsensical.

[Kade]

outside of one box but square in the middle of a larger two dimensional rectangle.

The rectangle can be only as big as our great leaders. We must elect these great leaders, whoever spins the truth the most, whoever can promise more war... this person must become our leader... we can know by their level of spin how great of a liar they can be, nay, need to be! How can we succeed as an entity, writhing in our eternal promise of glory, when we cannot effectively listen with all our hearts and minds to the leaders that promise the things we hate the most!

[Truth Warrior]

"By their idiocy ye shall worship them."

You are my "Hero" Clooney. I worship your useless posts. I am astounded that I cannot enter into the level of intellectual stagnation required to consciously contemplate your uselessness. I am in utter shock and awe of your inanity. I worship it. http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism.html

Atta boy, guppy! ;)

[Mini-Me]

The rectangle can be only as big as our great leaders. We must elect these great leaders, whoever spins the truth the most, whoever can promise more war... this person must become our leader... we can know by their level of spin how great of a liar they can be, nay, need to be! How can we succeed as an entity, writhing in our eternal promise of glory, when we cannot effectively listen with all our hearts and minds to the leaders that promise the things we hate the most!

Blasphemy! There is only one Great Leader (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Il-sung)!

[Kade]

http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism.html

Atta boy, guppy! ;)

Atta girl!

[Truth Warrior]

A collectivist society is a natural evolution once all truth is known (leads to harmonious agreement). Attempting a Marxist society before such a time is nonsensical. Your "Borg-world" merely awaits. :p :rolleyes:

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i304/Truth_Warrior/nwo-logo_130x.gif

[Kade]

Your "Borg-world" merely awaits. :p :rolleyes:


It would be a dream world for our resident Troll. Atta Girl! Keep impressing us with your shrill homage to copy and paste!

[Truth Warrior]

Atta girl! Ah, such devastating repartee. < LMAO! >

[Kade]

Ah, such devastating repartee. < LMAO! >

Almost as devastating as your intellect my love. Atta girl!

http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlLA/original/george_clooney.jpg

[jkr]

we are central planers.
we control comoditiy prices, technology investment/legality, and competion to the petro-chemical synthetic nazi culture.
and the media
and food supplies
and other nations interest for good or bad.

[Kludge]

Let's try a thought experiment...

Without attacking me or insulting me, please, (this includes links to other sites) explain in short but detailed sentences why Marxism is a bad thing...

When you do this, I will answer your question, with your own logic.

Karl Marx died. Thus, everything he taught was and is worthless.

[Kade]

Karl Marx died. Thus, everything he taught was and is worthless.

But Clooney lives.


http://img2.timeinc.net/instyle/images/2005/tr/041805_tr_clooney85.jpg

[Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice]

Is the death of the individual(ego) such a bad thing?

[Kade]

Is the death of the individual(ego) such a bad thing?

Is Truth Warrior really George Clooney?

I suspect the rainbow will give us the answer.

[Truth Warrior]

Is the death of the individual(ego) such a bad thing? Are you volunteering? ;)

[Kludge]

But Clooney lives.


http://img2.timeinc.net/instyle/images/2005/tr/041805_tr_clooney85.jpg

Until there is more convincing evidence that he is immortal, I do not accept him as my God.

[Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice]

Are you volunteering? ;)

http://handson.provocateuse.com/images/photos/george_clooney_01.jpg

[Truth Warrior]

Until there is more convincing evidence that he is immortal, I do not accept him as my God. Good for you. ;)

Repeat after me: "NO SHEPHERDS!" :D

[cska80]

Until there is more convincing evidence that he is immortal, I do not accept him as my God.


I'd hit it.

[Conza88]

Is Barack Obama A Marxist Mole? (http://www.aim.org/aim-report/is-barack-obama-a-marxist-mole/)

AIM Report | March 18, 2008

Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA).

In his biography of Barack Obama, David Mendell writes about Obama’s life as a “secret smoker” and how he “went to great lengths to conceal the habit.” But what about Obama’s secret political life? It turns out that Obama’s childhood mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, was a communist.

In his books, Obama admits attending “socialist conferences” and coming into contact with Marxist literature. But he ridicules the charge of being a “hard-core academic Marxist,” which was made by his colorful and outspoken 2004 U.S. Senate opponent, Republican Alan Keyes.

However, through Frank Marshall Davis, Obama had an admitted relationship with someone who was publicly identified as a member of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA). The record shows that Obama was in Hawaii from 1971-1979, where, at some point in time, he developed a close relationship, almost like a son, with Davis, listening to his “poetry” and getting advice on his career path. But Obama, in his book, Dreams From My Father, refers to him repeatedly as just “Frank.”

The reason is apparent: Davis was a known communist who belonged to a party subservient to the Soviet Union. In fact, the 1951 report of the Commission on Subversive Activities to the Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii identified him as a CPUSA member. What’s more, anti-communist congressional committees, including the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC), accused Davis of involvement in several communist-front organizations.

Trevor Loudon, a New Zealand-based libertarian activist, researcher and blogger, noted evidence that “Frank” was Frank Marshall Davis in a posting in March of 2007.

Out Of Nowhere

Obama’s communist connection adds to mounting public concern about a candidate who has come out of virtually nowhere, with a brief U.S. Senate legislative record, to become the Democratic Party frontrunner for the U.S. presidency. Decades ago, the CPUSA had tens of thousands of members, some of them covert agents who had penetrated the U.S. Government. It received secret subsidies from the old Soviet Union.

You won’t find any of this discussed in the David Mendell book, Obama: From Promise to Power. It is typical of the superficial biographies of Obama now on the market. Secret smoking seems to be Obama’s most controversial activity. At best, Mendell and the liberal media describe Obama as “left-leaning.”

But you will find it briefly discussed, sort of, in Obama’s own book, Dreams From My Father. He writes about “a poet named Frank,” who visited them in Hawaii, read poetry, and was full of “hard-earned knowledge” and advice. Who was Frank? Obama only says that he had “some modest notoriety once,” was “a contemporary of Richard Wright and Langston Hughes during his years in Chicago...” but was now “pushing eighty.” He writes about “Frank and his old Black Power dashiki self” giving him advice before he left for Occidental College in 1979 at the age of 18.

This “Frank” is none other than Frank Marshall Davis, the black communist writer now considered by some to be in the same category of prominence as Maya Angelou and Alice Walker. In the summer/fall 2003 issue of African American Review, James A. Miller of George Washington University reviews a book by John Edgar Tidwell, a professor at the University of Kansas, about Davis’s career, and notes, “In Davis’s case, his political commitments led him to join the American Communist Party during the middle of World War II—even though he never publicly admitted his Party membership.” Tidwell is an expert on the life and writings of Davis.

Is it possible that Obama did not know who Davis was when he wrote his book, Dreams From My Father, first published in 1995? That’s not plausible since Obama refers to him as a contemporary of Richard Wright and Langston Hughes and says he saw a book of his black poetry.

Fellow Travelers

The communists knew who “Frank” was, and they know who Obama is. In fact, one academic who travels in communist circles understands the significance of the Davis-Obama relationship.

Professor Gerald Horne, a contributing editor of the Communist Party journal Political Affairs, talked about it during a speech last March at the reception of the Communist Party USA archives at the Tamiment Library at New York University. The remarks were posted online under the headline, “Rethinking the History and Future of the Communist Party.”

Horne, a history professor at the University of Houston, noted that Davis, who moved to Honolulu from Kansas in 1948 “at the suggestion of his good friend Paul Robeson,” came into contact with Barack Obama and his family and became the young man’s mentor, influencing Obama’s sense of identity and career moves. Robeson, of course, was the well-known black actor and singer who served as a member of the CPUSA and apologist for the old Soviet Union. Davis had known Robeson from his time in Chicago.

As Horne describes it, Davis “befriended” a “Euro-American family” that had “migrated to Honolulu from Kansas and a young woman from this family eventually had a child with a young student from Kenya East Africa who goes by the name of Barack Obama, who retracing the steps of Davis eventually decamped to Chicago.”

It was in Chicago that Obama became a “community organizer” and came into contact with more far-left political forces, including the Democratic Socialists of America, which maintains close ties to European socialist groups and parties through the Socialist International (SI), and two former members of the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS), William Ayers and Carl Davidson.

The SDS laid siege to college campuses across America in the 1960s, mostly in order to protest the Vietnam War, and spawned the terrorist Weather Underground organization. Ayers was a member of the terrorist group and turned himself in to authorities in 1981. He is now a college professor and served with Obama on the board of the Woods Fund of Chicago. Davidson is now a figure in the Committees of Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism (CCDS), an offshoot of the old Moscow-controlled CPUSA, and helped organize the 2002 rally where Obama came out against the Iraq War.

Another figure in the CCDS, Leslie Cagan, is an organizer of anti-Iraq War demonstrations through a group called United for Peace and Justice.

Former congressional investigator Herbert Romerstein, an expert on communist activities, said most of the members of the CCDS came out of the CPUSA, where they functioned as stooges of the Soviet Union until the fall of that dictatorship. He said it has “a close working relationship with the Stalinist remnants in the former East Germany, now called the Party of Democratic Socialism.” Romerstein said these were the people who ran the concentration camps and the Communist Party apparatus in East Germany.

Romerstein also cited evidence that after the 9/11 terrorist attacks Cagan organized the first meetings to plan opposition to any United States military action against those responsible.

The Nature Of The Threat

Both communism and socialism trace their roots to Karl Marx, co-author of the Communist Manifesto, who endorsed the first meeting of the Socialist International, then called the “First International.” According to Pierre Mauroy, president of the SI from 1992-1996, “It was he [Marx] who formally launched it, gave the inaugural address and devised its structure...”

Apparently unaware that Davis had been publicly named as a CPUSA member, Horne said only that Davis “was certainly in the orbit of the CP [Communist Party]—if not a member...”

In addition to Tidwell’s book, Black Moods: Collected Poems of Frank Marshall Davis, confirming Davis’s Communist Party membership, another book, The New Red Negro: The Literary Left and African American Poetry, 1930-1946, names Davis as one of several black poets who continued to publish in CPUSA-supported publications after the 1939 Hitler-Stalin non-aggression pact. The author, James Edward Smethurst, associate professor of Afro-American studies at the University of Massachusetts-Amherst, says that Davis, however, would later claim that he was “deeply troubled” by the pact.

While blacks such as Richard Wright left the CPUSA, it is not clear if or when Davis ever left the party.

However, Obama writes in Dreams From My Father that he saw “Frank” only a few days before he left Hawaii for college, and that Davis seemed just as radical as ever. Davis called college “An advanced degree in compromise” and warned Obama not to forget his “people” and not to “start believing what they tell you about equal opportunity and the American way and all that ####.” Davis also complained about foot problems, the result of “trying to force African feet into European shoes,” Obama wrote.

For his part, Horne says that Obama’s giving of credit to Davis will be important in history. “At some point in the future, a teacher will add to her syllabus Barack’s memoir and instruct her students to read it alongside Frank Marshall Davis’ equally affecting memoir, Living the Blues and when that day comes, I’m sure a future student will not only examine critically the Frankenstein monsters that US imperialism created in order to subdue Communist parties but will also be moved to come to this historic and wonderful archive in order to gain insight on what has befallen this complex and intriguing planet on which we reside,” he said.

More Confirmation

Dr. Kathryn Takara, a professor of Interdisciplinary Studies at the University of Hawaii at Manoa who also confirms that Davis is the “Frank” in Obama’s book, did her dissertation on Davis and spent much time with him between 1972 until he passed away in 1987.

In an analysis posted online, she notes that Davis, who was a columnist for the Honolulu Record, brought “an acute sense of race relations and class struggle throughout America and the world” and that he openly discussed subjects such as American imperialism, colonialism and exploitation. She described him as a “socialist realist” who attacked the work of the House Un-American Activities Committee.

Davis, in his own writings, had said that Robeson and Harry Bridges, the head of the International Longshore and Warehouse Union (ILWU) and a secret member of the CPUSA, had suggested that he take a job as a columnist with the Honolulu Record “and see if I could do something for them.” The ILWU was organizing workers there and Robeson’s contacts were “passed on” to Davis, Takara writes.

Takara says that Davis “espoused freedom, radicalism, solidarity, labor unions, due process, peace, affirmative action, civil rights, Negro History week, and true Democracy to fight imperialism, colonialism, and white supremacy. He urged coalition politics.”

Is “coalition politics” at work in Obama’s rise to power?

Trevor Loudon, the New Zealand-based blogger who has been analyzing the political forces behind Obama and specializes in studying the impact of Marxist and leftist political organizations, notes that Frank Chapman, a CPUSA supporter, has written a letter to the party newspaper hailing the Illinois senator’s victory in the Iowa caucuses.

“Obama’s victory was more than a progressive move; it was a dialectical leap ushering in a qualitatively new era of struggle,” Chapman wrote. “Marx once compared revolutionary struggle with the work of the mole, who sometimes burrows so far beneath the ground that he leaves no trace of his movement on the surface. This is the old revolutionary ‘mole,’ not only showing his traces on the surface but also breaking through.”

OBAMA’S SECRET SOCIALIST CONNECTIONS

Obama’s socialist backing goes back at least to 1996, when he received the endorsement of the Chicago branch of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA) for an Illinois state senate seat. Later, the Chicago DSA newsletter reported that Obama, as a state senator, showed up to eulogize Saul Mendelson, one of the “champions” of “Chicago’s democratic left” and a long-time socialist activist. Obama’s stint as a “community organizer” in Chicago has gotten some attention, but his relationship with the DSA socialists, who groomed and backed him, has been generally ignored.

Blogger Steve Bartin, who has been following Obama’s career and involvement with the Chicago socialists, uncovered a fascinating video showing Obama campaigning for openly socialist Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont. Interestingly, Sanders, who won his seat in 2006, called Obama “one of the great leaders of the United States Senate,” even though Obama had only been in the body for about two years. In 2007, the National Journal said that Obama had established himself as “the most liberal Senator.” More liberal than Sanders? That is quite a feat. Does this make Obama a socialist, too?

DSA describes itself as the largest socialist organization in the United States and the principal U.S. affiliate of the Socialist International. The Socialist International (SI) has what is called “consultative status” with the United Nations. In other words, it works hand-in-glove with the world body.

The international con-nection is important and significant because an Obama bill, “The Global Poverty Act,” has recently been rushed through the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, with the assistance of Democratic Senator Joe Biden, the chairman, and Republican Senator Richard Lugar. The legislation (S.2433) commits the U.S. to spending hundreds of billions of dollars more in foreign aid on the rest of the world, in order to comply with the “Millennium Goals” established by the United Nations. Conservative members of the committee were largely caught off-guard by the move to pass the Obama bill but are putting a “hold” on it, in order to try to prevent the legislation, which also quickly passed the House, from being quickly brought up for a full Senate vote. But observers think that Senate Democrats may try to pass it quickly anyway, in order to give Obama a precious legislative “victory” that he could run on.

Is he a Marxist? It clearly seems so. In terms of what he would actually do in power; remains to be seen - we can speculate; but you can fken bet your life it's going to be a move towards collectivism, and not towards freedom & liberty. Is he a collectivist? You bet he is.

[Conza88]

TEN PLANKS OF THE COMMUNIST MANIFESTO - Could this be happening in America? If so, how?
(http://www.criminalgovernment.com/docs/planks.html)
Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto Alive In The USA (http://www.ronpaulforpresident2008.com/blog/node/101)

[nbhadja]

Kade, Obama is in bed with the Federal Reserve.

Democrat Barack Obama said the government must overhaul the rules governing banks and other financial institutions in the wake of a collapse in the subprime mortgage market that has shaken confidence in the U.S. economy.

Saying the nation has lost a ``sense of shared prosperity,'' the presidential candidate called for giving the Federal Reserve greater supervisory authority when it acts as a lender of last resort, strengthening the capital requirements for financial companies and streamlining the collection of overlapping regulatory agencies that oversee Wall Street.

``Our free market was never meant to be a free license to take whatever you can get, however you can get it,'' Obama said in an address at New York's Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art. ``The American economy does not stand still, and neither should the rules that govern it.''

The Federal Reserve should have basic supervisory authority over any institution to which it may make credit available as a lender of last resort, Obama said. ``Taxpayers have every right to expect that these institutions are not taking excessive risks,'' he said.

Obama said the government needs to restructure the overlapping and competing regulatory agencies because today's financial institutions no longer fit within specific categories created decades ago.


Sicking.

[cska80]

Bump for needing more votes!

[KenInMontiMN]

Since the global collective corporate gov't will own everything, difficult to see how the end result doesn't make marxists or at the very least socialists out of both Obama & McCain.

[gaazn]

he is actually a fascist. so is mccain.
fascism always rises in the name of stopping marxism.

[Truth Warrior]

http://rexcurry.net/fascism=socialism.html

[werdd]

his policies of redistribution of wealth and collectivist socialism(IE forcing you to participate in community service) is straight out of the communist manifesto.

Then again so is a central bank, and "coming to power" by means of staging a war to incite nationalism.

Both parties are more or less communist these days.