Has this been going around the Board?

[kathy88]

A huge number of us registered Republicans are going to switch our registration to "Independent", "Constitution" or "Libertarian" Party this 11th of September as a protest to the corrupt shenanigans pulled by the RNC. They should rot in hell for their immorality.

Posted by: Dad for Life | September 05, 2008 at 03:31 PM


This was a comment on the LA Times article on the disappearing votes at the RNC.

Is this a concerted effort? Seems to be counter to working from within the GOP, but an interesting idea, nonetheless. Shills.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

A huge number of us registered Republicans are going to switch our registration to "Independent", "Constitution" or "Libertarian" Party this 11th of September as a protest to the corrupt shenanigans pulled by the RNC. They should rot in hell for their immorality.

Posted by: Dad for Life | September 05, 2008 at 03:31 PM


This was a comment on the LA Times article on the disappearing votes at the RNC.

Is this a concerted effort? Seems to be counter to working from within the GOP, but an interesting idea, nonetheless. Shills.

I only switch if I have to. I don't believe you have to actually switch in order to vote for who you want in November, right? General election.

[Truth Warrior]

:cool: I really like the 9/11 symbolic gesture support and message. ;) Maybe if it's widespread and vocal enough, the MSM will pick up on it.

[kathy88]

That's what i was thinking warrior. It would be better if we let the MSM know our plans beforehand at the local levels... At first I thought it would be counter-productive, but I'm not so sure now.....

That gives us two whole days to move. LOL. What else is new.


What does everyone else think about this?

[JosephTheLibertarian]

That's what i was thinking warrior. It would be better if we let the MSM know our plans beforehand at the local levels... At first I thought it would be counter-productive, but I'm not so sure now.....

That gives us two whole days to move. LOL. What else is new.


What does everyone else think about this?

Think about what? MSM doesn't care.

[Slist]

Think about what? MSM doesn't care.

Exactly...

and apart the very few lines of media attention this would get, the effort to take over the republican party from inside would require everyone to reregister to the party.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

and the neocons magically disappear

not really lol this is the real world, people. people don't just disappear. libertarian republicans are a minority

[Truth Warrior]

The MSM "loves" Obama. This IS an election year. The MSM just might "buy into" it. ;)

[kathy88]

I get a little giddy thinking about it..... 200,000 registered republicans switched their party registration to third parties on 9/11 in protest of big government and unconsitutional practices..... aaaahhhhhhhh

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I get a little giddy thinking about it..... 200,000 registered republicans switched their party registration to third parties on 9/11 in protest of big government and unconsitutional practices..... aaaahhhhhhhh

... CP is definitely not a party you want in power, unless you're cool with gay bashing and outlawin porn, not to mention their hardline protectionism. no thanks. LP has the best platform

[FindLiberty]

LP platform is better IMO since, "It's not the abuse of power, it's the power to abuse" that we need to watch out for...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yuvpy7WG0bc

Lyrics http://www.peacemakersrock.com/LyricsPages/ThePowerToAbuseLyrics.htm

What's the difference who gets elected if the power they would inherit is so great as to guarantee its corruption?

[Truth Warrior]

... CP is definitely not a party you want in power, unless you're cool with gay bashing and outlawin porn, not to mention their hardline protectionism. no thanks. LP has the best platform BOTH PARTIES, TOTALLY IRRELEVANT. :p :rolleyes:

( BTW, THERE is YOUR statism. ;) )

[speciallyblend]

BOTH PARTIES, TOTALLY IRRELEVANT. :p :rolleyes:

( BTW, THERE is YOUR statism. ;) )

both parties and our lil gop revolution is pretty much irrelevant,sad but true....

[kathy88]

Joseph, I have been a registered Libertarian since 1988, except my little detour to the big R so I could vote in the primary in my state, which was closed.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Joseph, I have been a registered Libertarian since 1988, except my little detour to the big R so I could vote in the primary in my state, which was closed.

ok. good

[JosephTheLibertarian]

BOTH PARTIES, TOTALLY IRRELEVANT. :p :rolleyes:

( BTW, THERE is YOUR statism. ;) )

LP is a private org ;)

[Truth Warrior]

both parties and our lil gop revolution is pretty much irrelevant,sad but true.... That's my take on it. ;)


http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i304/Truth_Warrior/Striketheroot.gif

[Truth Warrior]

LP is a private org ;)

So are the RP and the DP so what's your relevant and significant point?

So is the Mafia! :p :rolleyes: So are the FREEMASONS.

[speciallyblend]

That's my take on it. ;)


http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i304/Truth_Warrior/Striketheroot.gif

though i lay the blame on our revolution at the feet of the gop leadership,which i plan to show them blowback from the roots of the party, dam bastards!!!

[Rangeley]

Its significantly harder to work within a party to change it when you aren't in it.

But I suppose the establishment, at least, will love to see you go.

[Truth Warrior]

though i lay the blame on our revolution at the feet of the gop leadership,which i plan to show them blowback from the roots of the party, dam bastards!!! Whatever gives you a "warm and fuzzy" feeling. :D

[LibertyEagle]

Its significantly harder to work within a party to change it when you aren't in it.

But I suppose the establishment, at least, will love to see you go.

Yup.

Leaving, is giving them exactly what they want.

[Truth Warrior]

Its significantly harder to work within a party to change it when you aren't in it.

But I suppose the establishment, at least, will love to see you go. If you are here, I'd say you're just a RINO. The "PARTY" has now moved on, without you.<IMHO> BTW, the very same thing happened to me. ;) Interestingly, that's just EXACTLY how the LP and the CP came about.

[Rangeley]

If you are here, I'd say you're just a RINO. The "PARTY" has now moved on, without you.<IMHO> BTW, the very same thing happened to me. ;) Interestingly, that's just EXACTLY how the LP and the CP came about.
I haven't been registered to vote long enough to say the party moved on without me. I joined knowing the party, especially the party in Maine, had lost it's way - though admittedly in 2006 I did not realize it to the extent that I have now. But I am willing to put my time an energy into changing this, because I realize that so long as the two parties are in power and placing road blocks for third parties, you have to work within the parties to enact change. Ron Paul realizes this, and that is why, while he is offering a level of support, he is not running third party himself and instead urging that we stay involved in the Republican party as he is.

[Truth Warrior]

I haven't been registered to vote long enough to say the party moved on without me. I joined knowing the party, especially the party in Maine, had lost it's way - though admittedly in 2006 I did not realize it to the extent that I have now. But I am willing to put my time an energy into changing this, because I realize that so long as the two parties are in power and placing road blocks for third parties, you have to work within the parties to enact change. Ron Paul realizes this, and that is why, while he is offering a level of support, he is not running third party himself and instead urging that we stay involved in the Republican party as he is.

The Difference between Democrats and Republicans
http://differencebetweendemocratsandrepublicans.com/

An accurate, quick and easy read.<IMHO> ;)

[Rangeley]

The Difference between Democrats and Republicans
http://differencebetweendemocratsandrepublicans.com/

An accurate, quick and easy read.<IMHO> ;)
I've seen it, its funny. Yet it has nothing to do with what I just said.

[acptulsa]

Its significantly harder to work within a party to change it when you aren't in it.

But I suppose the establishment, at least, will love to see you go.

This state allows three kinds of registration--demopublican, republicrat and independent. It is very weird being registered something besides independent after all these years. Very weird. Yet, with good liberty candidates to help in local elections and a taste of working within the party at the conventions under my belt, I'm not stopping now.

Ron Paul has a good point. Stealing the apparatus from the thieves is easier than building from (or practically from) scratch.

[Truth Warrior]

I've seen it, its funny. Yet it has nothing to do with what I just said. If you just got "funny", then YOU just don't "get it".

It has EVERYTHING to do with what you just said.<IMHO> ;)

[angelatc]

A huge number of us registered Republicans are going to switch our registration to "Independent", "Constitution" or "Libertarian" Party this 11th of September as a protest to the corrupt shenanigans pulled by the RNC. They should rot in hell for their immorality.

I think it's better to take over the GOP. I am not planning on participating. Good luck with your 3rd party efforts.

[Truth Warrior]

More Awful Truths About Republicans

http://mises.org/story/3098

[JosephTheLibertarian]

So are the RP and the DP so what's your relevant and significant point?

So is the Mafia! :p :rolleyes: So are the FREEMASONS.

and?

[Truth Warrior]

and? You again did NOT answer the question. Not really any HUGE surprise there. :p :rolleyes:

[JosephTheLibertarian]

You again did NOT answer the question. Not really any HUGE surprise there. :p :rolleyes:

What question? All I saw was an angry bunch of words with a question mark on the end :cool:

[Truth Warrior]

What question? All I saw was an angry bunch of words with a question mark on the end :cool: Speaks VOLUMES. :rolleyes:

BULLSHIT!!!


So are the RP and the DP so what's your relevant and significant point?
What "angry bunch of words"?

[tonesforjonesbones]

PLEASE go watch G. Edward Griffins talk about his non profit FREEDOM FORCE. Tones

[LibertyEagle]

The Goldwater-Republicans gained control of the Republican Party and won the Republican nomination back in the 60s. So, it can be done. In my estimation, it is going to be much easier now, for us to take back the Republican party, than it was for them. Today, people know that something is very wrong; they feel it in their bones. Even if they don't know what exactly is the problem. That is why they are running so much to Obama. He's telling them that he'll make their lives all rosy again. People are scared.

In my opinion, what we've been lacking thus far is a good strategy and the knowledge to implement it. Most of us were, after all, political neophytes. That is one of the things that the C4L is trying to help us with. Whether or not we're successful is in our hands. C4L, nor Ron Paul, can do the job for us of taking back our precincts. If we don't quit and throw in the towel, we stand a chance of doing this; if we throw in the towel, we have NO CHANCE. It will definitely be hard work and it will be rather distasteful to have to be around neocons, but think of how it will feel when we're successful. There are a whole lot of Republicans out there who agree with us on 70% of our stances. I think it was the whole WOT thing that they've been so successfully brainwashed about, that is the big sticking point. But, that's just my opinion. But, if we truly hook them on the other things, then they will introduce themselves to the fallacy of the WOT.

[Truth Warrior]

Forty MORE years of MORE "dumbing down" have taken a very heavy toll.<IMHO> Barry, is just spinning in his grave.

"And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country, isn't there?" -- V

[LibertyEagle]

If you are here, I'd say you're just a RINO. The "PARTY" has now moved on, without you.<IMHO> BTW, the very same thing happened to me. ;) Interestingly, that's just EXACTLY how the LP and the CP came about.

The party "moved on", because we (me included) did not stay involved. We either just sat back while the neocons moved in and gradually took over, or we bailed.

Since only the 2 major parties are allowed in debates (it sucks, but that's the way it is) and are also the only ones who are given media attention, unless we take back one of the major parties, our effort is over before it really even got started.

We allowed them to take over the Republican party. While it would have been much easier to have not allowed that to happen in the first place, "x" we are here. I see no reason why we can't do the very same thing they did to us and take it back from them. That is, if people care enough about their liberty that they are willing to take a stand and fight. Or, was that all just bluster?

[LibertyEagle]

Forty MORE years of MORE "dumbing down" have taken a very heavy toll.<IMHO> Barry, is just spinning in his grave.

Very true. No one said it was going to be a cake walk. :)

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Speaks VOLUMES. :rolleyes:

BULLSHIT!!!


What "angry bunch of words"?

The point is..

you said I'm a statist. I told you that the LP is a private organization. So, that would be a yeah, rebuttal :p

is your scary face [avatar] relevant? ha

[Truth Warrior]

The party "moved on", because we (me included) did not stay involved. We either just sat back while the neocons moved in and gradually took over, or we bailed.

Since only the 2 major parties are allowed in debates (it sucks, but that's the way it is) and are also the only ones who are given media attention, unless we take back one of the major parties, our effort is over before it really even got started.

We allowed them to take over the Republican party. While it would have been much easier to have not allowed that to happen in the first place, "x" we are here. I see no reason why we can't do the very same thing they did to us and take it back from them. That is, if people care enough about their liberty that they are willing to take a stand and fight. Or, was that all just bluster?

I'd say you're going up and against TPTB agenda. ;) As is/was Ron, BTW.

Best of luck, sincerely! :)

[Truth Warrior]

Very true. No one said it was going to be a cake walk. :) Nor HOW, realistically, it is going to be done.<IMHO> :(

[libertythor]

I only switch if I have to. I don't believe you have to actually switch in order to vote for who you want in November, right? General election.
One doesn't have to. For some reason many people confuse the primaries with the general election. In the general election party affiliation doesn't matter.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

One doesn't have to. For some reason many people confuse the primaries with the general election. In the general election party affiliation doesn't matter.

That's good.

[Truth Warrior]

One doesn't have to. For some reason many people confuse the primaries with the general election. In the general election party affiliation doesn't matter. Independent's votes decide almost ALL general elections. ;)

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Independent's votes decide almost ALL general elections. ;)

Don't mess with me, TW

:cool:

[Truth Warrior]

Don't mess with me, TW

:cool: :p :rolleyes:

[Truth Warrior]

The point is..

you said I'm a statist. I told you that the LP is a private organization. So, that would be a yeah, rebuttal :p

is your scary face [avatar] relevant? ha

Ah, so the problem is with the definition and meaning of "statist" and "statism", or most probably just your lack of understanding of it.

When and IF you care enough, which from repeated past personal experience(s), I KNOW that you won't and don't, that situation CAN be very easily resolved.

Nope, it's just my "irrelevant" avatar. But apparently an irrelevant "issue" for you. :p

Let's kick back that 14 to 7. :rolleyes:

[moostraks]

I think that what we are missing is a defining will-die-to-accomplish need to retake the party that seems to have been blown apart by the disillusionment and disrespect we received along with the naivete of many of those who participated. Let's face it if most of us were apathetic previously how hard do you think tptb felt it would be to drive us back to non-existence?

The neo-cons have a mission and they are being used as tools by tptb. This is a holy war to them and we are just as much an enemy as any Muslim extremist. We stand in the way of them being the Chosen Few who fought the good fight. THe cohesion and dedication of religion is much stronger than we are tapping in such a broad spectrum as those we have fighting for liberty. Too much time is being wasted (or steered towards by trolls) second guessing the motives of the participants. We can't even agree on which party to affiliate with and until we come to some agreement they have divided and conquered.

For the life of me I don't understand why we are remaining civil with the GOP. It is time to start being in their face over the disrespect we are receiving. I heard more unrest spoken from Hilary's camp then from Ron Paul Republicans. Why? Where is the fervor that started with the ron paul signs everywhere? We need to get the message out to the GOP that we are still here and we are pissed. We need to be more vocal, but I wonder if they haven't won because our diversity was our achilles heel...

[Rangeley]

Independent's votes decide almost ALL general elections.

Yea, but in what sense? While independent voters tend to determine which of the two main parties will win, because of the road blocks the two main parties put up (along with the media,) it is notoriously hard for an independent themself to win a national race. Playing kingmaker between two terrible choices isn't quite what I would consider helping to change things.

And you know what, TW? You are wrong - there is one big difference between the Democratic and Republican Parties. The Republican Party has Ron Paul, and many Ron Paul Republicans who are fighting for liberty with him. Though at one time he too felt that he could best enact change outside of the two main parties, he has realized with experience that this isn't so. The fact that he appeared in major televised debates was key for him to increase his profile and get out there - this wouldn't have happened if he was a third party candidate. Indeed - what press the third party candidates are receiving is almost exclusively as a result of Ron Paul running as a Republican.

While Ron Paul has no problem voting for a third party candidate, he understands that this is not where the focus of our efforts should be. Staying involved in the political process, changing the Republican party to a party that respects the Constitution, or even becoming the party as some have phrased it, is exactly where our focus needs to be.

[LibertyEagle]

Nor HOW, realistically, it is going to be done.<IMHO> :(

It seems the plan is to take the Republican party over from the precinct level on up. Right now, it's all about focusing locally. At least, that's my understanding.

[Truth Warrior]

It seems the plan is to take the Republican party over from the precinct level on up. Right now, it's all about focusing locally. At least, that's my understanding. It seems to me, historically, that ALL parties are "top down" rather than "bottom up". I'm trying to think of an exception, and am merely coming up empty. ;)

Got any successful examples?

[Truth Warrior]

Yea, but in what sense? While independent voters tend to determine which of the two main parties will win, because of the road blocks the two main parties put up (along with the media,) it is notoriously hard for an independent themself to win a national race. Playing kingmaker between two terrible choices isn't quite what I would consider helping to change things.

In the sense that the RP + DP hardcore loyalists do not form a majority of the voter minority. I forget the current hard stats on that. Correct! The Independent candidates find themselves in the exact same position that the 3rd parties do. The "system" is "rigged" and highly resistant to change, by design.

And you know what, TW? You are wrong - there is one big difference between the Democratic and Republican Parties. The Republican Party has Ron Paul, and many Ron Paul Republicans who are fighting for liberty with him. Though at one time he too felt that he could best enact change outside of the two main parties, he has realized with experience that this isn't so. The fact that he appeared in major televised debates was key for him to increase his profile and get out there - this wouldn't have happened if he was a third party candidate. Indeed - what press the third party candidates are receiving is almost exclusively as a result of Ron Paul running as a Republican.

And just look at how the Republican Party treats Ron Paul. And he just got 1.2 million votes. Hillary got 18 million and lost. I think that makes me correct. ;)

While Ron Paul has no problem voting for a third party candidate, he understands that this is not where the focus of our efforts should be. Staying involved in the political process, changing the Republican party to a party that respects the Constitution, or even becoming the party as some have phrased it, is exactly where our focus needs to be.

Change comes from the "top down" NOT the "bottom up". ;)
Thanks! :)

[Dorfsmith]

Too late for me. I left the Republican party a few days ago.

[Kade]

Thanks! :)

No Medieval Clooney, thank you.

http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlLA/original/george_clooney.jpg

[kathy88]

I think it's better to take over the GOP. I am not planning on participating. Good luck with your 3rd party efforts.



angel, where did you get this quote? I never said this.

[LibertyEagle]

It seems to me, historically, that ALL parties are "top down" rather than "bottom up". I'm trying to think of an exception, and am merely coming up empty. ;)

Got any successful examples?

The Goldwater-Republicans took over the Republican Party from the ground floor on up. At least that is my understanding after talking to some people who worked in that effort. In the process, they were elected to leadership positions and when push came to shove, they downright outnumbered the big government Repubs. And they did that, by converting people along the way. :)

[LibertyEagle]

Too late for me. I left the Republican party a few days ago.

It's never too late. You can rejoin later if you decide to.

[Truth Warrior]

The Goldwater-Republicans took over the Republican Party from the ground floor on up. At least that is my understanding after talking to some people who worked in that effort. In the process, they were elected to leadership positions and when push came to shove, they downright outnumbered the big government Repubs. I'd hafta call that one a "top down" from Barry. Kinda like the "top down" from Nixon and Reagan.

The "money" guy's endorsements and votes come first.<IMHO> JFK and RFK, Daddy's "money", connections and influence.


Without Oprah, who would have ever heard of Obama, the Jr. Senator from Illinois? ;)

[Lord Xar]

I get a little giddy thinking about it..... 200,000 registered republicans switched their party registration to third parties on 9/11 in protest of big government and unconsitutional practices..... aaaahhhhhhhh

with 200,000 republicans leaving port - its nothing when 20million illegals will just swell the nanny state democrate rolls within the next few years when they are given amnesty. the coup is already in place -- sure, I'll register for shits and giggles.

[LibertyEagle]

I'd hafta call that one a "top down" from Barry. Kinda like the "top down" from Nixon and Reagan.

The "money" guy's endorsements and votes come first.<IMHO>

May be. Although Ron Paul has not backed out of the overall effort and his C4L will be right there to help us. One thing that we have going for us now, that they didn't back then, is that the neocons pushed a lot faster than the globalists before them and a lot of people have taken note. They know something is wrong; they just don't know what it is and more than that, they don't know what to do to fix it.

We may be unsuccessful, TW. But, I know for myself, that I have to try. Everyone will have to make that decision for themselves.


Without Oprah, who would have ever heard of Obama, the Jr. Senator from Illinois? ;)

I totally agree with you here.

[Truth Warrior]

May be. Although Ron Paul has not backed out of the overall effort and his C4L will be right there to help us. One thing that we have going for us now, that they didn't back then, is that the neocons pushed a lot faster than the globalists before them and a lot of people have taken note. They know something is wrong; they just don't know what it is and more than that, they don't know what to do to fix it.

We may be unsuccessful, TW. But, I know for myself, that I have to try. Everyone will have to make that decision for themselves.



I totally agree with you here.

I think the Trotskyite Neocons are merely in cahoots with the globalists ( power elite ) AKA TPTB too. I am concerned about Ron's physical safety.

I understand the determination, frustration and perhaps desperation.

In the sage and wise words of the fictional Yoda, "There is no try. There is only do or not do." ;)

Thanks! :)

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Ah, so the problem is with the definition and meaning of "statist" and "statism", or most probably just your lack of understanding of it.

When and IF you care enough, which from repeated past personal experience(s), I KNOW that you won't and don't, that situation CAN be very easily resolved.

Nope, it's just my "irrelevant" avatar. But apparently an irrelevant "issue" for you. :p

Let's kick back that 14 to 7. :rolleyes:

"Statism (or Etatism) is a term that is used to describe:# Specific instances of state intervention in personal, social or economic matters"

uber-fail :)

[Truth Warrior]

"Statism (or Etatism) is a term that is used to describe:# Specific instances of state intervention in personal, social or economic matters"

uber-fail :) I agree that statism is an "uber fail", so does LRC.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i304/Truth_Warrior/lewrock0305a.gif

So now the question is, why on earth are you a statist?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/statism

http://www.reference.com/search?q=statism

[acptulsa]

I am concerned about Ron's physical safety.

Don't blame you. But so long as they have him marginalized, they won't dare risk making him seem (or admitting that he is) that important. The last thing they want is us rallying around a martyr. If that changes, we'll know we're doing well. Not that this would be a big comfort to Carol Paul, mind you...

Sad, sad times.

[Truth Warrior]

Don't blame you. But so long as they have him marginalized, they won't dare risk making him seem (or admitting that he is) that important. The last thing they want is us rallying around a martyr. If that changes, we'll know we're doing well. Not that this would be a big comfort to Carol Paul, mind you...

Sad, sad times.

Indeed.

Hypothetically, if I were TPTB, I'd just arrange for a fatal "accident" or health condition.

Very strange things have happened to some folks far less important and troublesome to the NWO agenda than Ron Paul.<IMHO> :(

[liberteebell]

The Goldwater-Republicans gained control of the Republican Party and won the Republican nomination back in the 60s. So, it can be done. In my estimation, it is going to be much easier now, for us to take back the Republican party, than it was for them. Today, people know that something is very wrong; they feel it in their bones. Even if they don't know what exactly is the problem. That is why they are running so much to Obama. He's telling them that he'll make their lives all rosy again. People are scared.

In my opinion, what we've been lacking thus far is a good strategy and the knowledge to implement it. Most of us were, after all, political neophytes. That is one of the things that the C4L is trying to help us with. Whether or not we're successful is in our hands. C4L, nor Ron Paul, can do the job for us of taking back our precincts. If we don't quit and throw in the towel, we stand a chance of doing this; if we throw in the towel, we have NO CHANCE. It will definitely be hard work and it will be rather distasteful to have to be around neocons, but think of how it will feel when we're successful. There are a whole lot of Republicans out there who agree with us on 70% of our stances. I think it was the whole WOT thing that they've been so successfully brainwashed about, that is the big sticking point. But, that's just my opinion. But, if we truly hook them on the other things, then they will introduce themselves to the fallacy of the WOT.

I'm waffling over whether even a good strategy will take over the party. It was difficult enough for me to join up; even more difficult to associate with the War Party that also wants to control everyone's personal habits and promotes spying on everyone.

If the convention was any indication...

In order to get on the inside, we're expected to actively work for and support the current republican candidates, all war mongering, Big Government types, which I simply cannot do.

Plus, it's all about money. I receive about a mailer a day begging for $$$$$. It's absurd. If you have it, and if you're a Big Donor, you can get anything you want. Those of us who don't have money, and/or time to devote hours on end to the party, are going to be outsiders no matter what.

I'm thinking that the way to accomplish our goals is to leave the party (I can't stomach the thought of giving them even $25 for dues) and work for individual candidates who espouse our message. In Virginia anyway, you can sign up for the district conventions and vote by just being a registered voter. Maybe the state convention as well, I'm not sure.

I dunno. At this point, I'm so disgusted with the entire machine, I want to wash my hands of it altogether.

[acptulsa]

I dunno. At this point, I'm so disgusted with the entire machine, I want to wash my hands of it altogether.

Everyone wants the garbage out but no one wants to smell like the trash man. I do understand--this isn't a flame. It's natural.

The thing is, either we contaminate ourselves grabbing them by the pants and tossing them out over the next four years, or we suck their g-spots for freaking ever. Both dirty jobs. Neither's a pretty choice. But it seems a clear choice to me.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I agree that statism is an "uber fail", so does LRC.

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i304/Truth_Warrior/lewrock0305a.gif

So now the question is, why on earth are you a statist?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/statism

http://www.reference.com/search?q=statism

I'm not, I'm an anarchist. You joined the GOP, no? You supported RP, no?

[Truth Warrior]

I'm not, I'm an anarchist. You joined the GOP, no? You supported RP, no? That's not what your RPF "handle" lies. :D

GOP?, NO. Gave Ron money?, NO. Voted for Ron?, NO. Bought, read and UNDERSTAND his book, etc., etc., yes. :D

As you MAY recall :rolleyes:, I have not voted since 1972.

How about you, STATIST? :p

Repeat question:
So now the question is, why on earth are you a statist?

[acptulsa]

I'm not, I'm an anarchist. You joined the GOP, no? You supported RP, no?

If so, he hid it well. Were you asleep when he argued often and with conviction that voting is a waste and maybe even a sin, political parties are garbage that never amount to good and any government at all is too much?

Assuming facts not in evidence, Joe...

[JosephTheLibertarian]

That's not what your RPF "handle" lies. :D

GOP?, NO. Gave Ron money?, NO. Voted for Ron?, NO. Bought, read and UNDERSTAND his book, etc., etc., yes. :D

As you MAY recall :rolleyes:, I have not voted since 1972.

How about you, STATIST? :p

Repeat question:

LP is a private organization. I'm not a member, I don't want to pay the dues. I just agree with the LP platform the most, hence my handle. Nothing wrong with that. Tis was my first time voting. Oh well. So you did less than me for the movement. Alright. And you're going to brag about it?

I don't want to appease scum bags ;)

[Truth Warrior]

LP is a private organization. I'm not a member, I don't want to pay the dues. I just agree with the LP platform the most, hence my handle. Nothing wrong with that. Tis was my first time voting. Oh well. So you did less than me for the movement. Alright. And you're going to brag about it?

I don't want to appease scum bags ;)

No brag, just fact and truth. :)

Ah, "JosephTheAlmostLibertarian". I see now. :rolleyes: Did you join the GOP, register and vote for Ron and give him money?

Why not "JosephTheAnarchist"? Are you merely ashamed of and hiding what you "now claim" to be?

( questions # 3, #4 & #5 ) :D

BTW, I'm not here for the movement. I'm here for the revolution. ;)

[Truth Warrior]

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[LibertyEagle]

I'm waffling over whether even a good strategy will take over the party. It was difficult enough for me to join up; even more difficult to associate with the War Party that also wants to control everyone's personal habits and promotes spying on everyone.

If the convention was any indication...

In order to get on the inside, we're expected to actively work for and support the current republican candidates, all war mongering, Big Government types, which I simply cannot do.

The C4L never suggested that the delegates vote for McCain. At least, that is my understanding.

I agree with you that I could not support a big government type and I will not. That however is a different thing than getting involved in the Republican party at the precinct level to change minds, promote liberty-loving candidates, and get in leadership positions. When it comes to my vote, however, I will vote according to my principles, regardless of party that the candidate is in.


Plus, it's all about money. I receive about a mailer a day begging for $$$$$. It's absurd. If you have it, and if you're a Big Donor, you can get anything you want. Those of us who don't have money, and/or time to devote hours on end to the party, are going to be outsiders no matter what.
If we want to stand a chance to change it, yes, we have to invest some time.


I'm thinking that the way to accomplish our goals is to leave the party (I can't stomach the thought of giving them even $25 for dues) and work for individual candidates who espouse our message. In Virginia anyway, you can sign up for the district conventions and vote by just being a registered voter. Maybe the state convention as well, I'm not sure.
You choice, but remember that the neocons WANT you to leave the GOP. They took it over from the Goldwater-Republicans and we can take it back. It won't happen though, if we throw in the towel and just let them have it. Heck, I'd be all for starting a new party, but 3rd parties never get in the debates and do not get media. So, for me, that means taking over one of the 2 major parties. The GOP is the logical one.


I dunno. At this point, I'm so disgusted with the entire machine, I want to wash my hands of it altogether.

I hear ya. I'm pretty disgusted too. Maybe we just need to take a break for a little bit. Lots of highs and lows during this campaign and that kind of thing takes its toll.

[LibertyEagle]

BTW, I'm not here for the movement. I'm here for the revolution. ;)

Please elaborate on your comment. Thanks.

[Kade]

Please elaborate on your comment. Thanks.

He is here to Hannitize the vote.

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/img/v3/04-26-2006.NGL_25Hannity.GV41SBF5L.1.jpg

[Truth Warrior]

Please elaborate on your comment. Thanks. Movements go a ways and then stop, revolutions go round and round. ;)

:D

http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/jeff1770.htm

[Kade]

Movements go a ways and then stop, revolutions go round and round. ;)

:D

http://etext.virginia.edu/jefferson/quotations/jeff1770.htm

Of all the things you have done to derail the cause of liberty, of all the rampant stupidity you represent... seeing you quote Jefferson is despicable. Absolutely despicable. You are an antithesis to everything Jefferson stood for... everything.


http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlLA/original/george_clooney.jpg

[Truth Warrior]

Of all the things you have done to derail the cause of liberty, of all the rampant stupidity you represent... seeing you quote Jefferson is despicable. Absolutely despicable. You are an antithesis to everything Jefferson stood for... everything.

< goofy and silly picture snipped > Who really gives a shit what you think about anything, guppy? :p :rolleyes:

[Kade]

Who really gives a shit what you think about anything, guppy? :p :rolleyes:

You do George. You do.

[Truth Warrior]

You do George. You do. Only in your delusional Marxist fantasies, guppy.

[Kade]

Only in your delusional Marxist fantasies, guppy.

http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlLA/original/george_clooney.jpg

[Truth Warrior]

http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlLA/original/george_clooney.jpg

Got a real hard on for George, hunh? Maybe he's a "liberal" (so called ) too, guppy.

George Timothy Clooney (born May 6 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_6), 1961 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1961) in Lexington (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexington,_Kentucky), Kentucky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentucky)) is an Academy Award (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academy_Award)- and Golden Globe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Globe) award-winning American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_of_America) actor, director (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_director), producer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_producer), and screenwriter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screenwriter). Clooney has balanced his glamorous performances in big-budget blockbusters (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockbuster_(entertainment)) with work as a producer and director behind commercially riskier projects, as well as social (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_activism) and liberal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism) political activism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_activism). On January 31, 2008, the United Nations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations) named Clooney a "Messenger of peace".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Clooney

:p :rolleyes: