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Conza88
09-08-2008, 04:18 AM
I'm looking for resources about them... grass roots only really.

I guess that counts the American Revolution... any good resources?

I am more so looking for the process.


Violent Politics
Posted by Lew Rockwell at September 7, 2008 01:15 PM

Writes Jack Douglas:

Have you read William Polk's new book on VIOLENT POLITICS? The early part is especially good in summing up his argument, built largely out of the best done on guerilla political-warfare over the centuries.
He emphasizes, of course, that THE BATTLE FOR HEARTS AND MINDS IS ABOUT 80% OF THE DETERMINANT OF THE OUTCOME. The one major factor running through all of the big and certainly successful guerilla insurgencies is OPPOSITION TO INVADING OR THREATENING FOREIGNERS. Once that exists as a major and growing factor in the society, the beginning insurgency can begin with pitchforks and hoes and rocks and sticks--and often do. They commonly begin with a tiny group of 25 or so men taking up cultural and material arms against the hated regime. In fact, as we all know, the Sons of Liberty in the early days did not use weapons other than their arms to throw tea in the harbor, etc. That led to British oppressions that MADE IT OBVIOUS THEY WERE FOREIGN OPPRESSORS. THE RED COATS BROKE THE COMMON BOND OF IDENTITY AS "ENGLISHMEN" AND THAT LED THE FARMERS TO PICK UP THEIR PITCHFORKS AND CREAKY MUSKETS FROM BOSTON TO BERGEN COUNTY TO KING'S MOUNTAIN TO....
The Afghan guerillas have helped the Karzai colonial regime to destroy itself among the people and the guerillas are now building their national liberation army, government in exile, etc. This is a guerilla war that is already 95% lost. Now Pakistan is lost for the same reasons and the U.S. daily attacks on women and children among the Pashtun is pushing the hatred of the U.S. above the 95% poll level--if that's even possible. Utterly incredible.
IN THE EXTREME CASE THE FOREIGNER AND HIS COLONIAL PUPPETS MAKE THEMSELVES SO TOTALLY HATED BY THE PEOPLE THAT THEIR EVERY MOVE BECOMES AN OWN GOAL SCORE, A DESTRUCTION OF THEMSELVES, SO THE GUERILLAS ARE BEST OFF LAYING LOW AND ENCOURAGING THEM TO DO MORE OF THE SAME. THE PASHTUN IN PAKISTAN SEEM TO BE DONG THAT--MERELY PUNCHING THE U.S. OR PAKISTAN GOVERNMENT ONCE IN A WHILE TO ELICIT SUICIDAL RESPONES. It doesn't take many weapons when you do that.
Very interesting that Polk gave a talk to the U.S. War College in the early 60's saying the communists had already won the war at this same stage. That led all the colonels and naval captains to furiously attack him and Rostow to call him a Cassandra. Polk said that was ok with him, since Cassandra was right--BEWARE GREEKS BEARING GIFTS! And be sure to look gift horses from enemies in the mouth, I always say.
I think the Russian and Chinese selling of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac bonds in the past weeks has been one crucial factor in forcing Paulson et al. to officially take over the trillions of shaky debt they hold. [Of course, U.S. Big Banks and major regionals hold the same debt and are not selling it, thus facing bankruptcy as the tsunami of losses grows and that is another pressing reason Paulson has acted.] The Europeans have not sold yet, as far as I know, but people who really hate you behind the smiles are not loyal investors when the crunch comes. as Cassandra would put it.

They don't need to be violent though. Preferably not. But essentially... "the quickest way to bring down a dictatorship is to make them look like one."

evilfunnystuff
09-08-2008, 03:37 PM
you should check into the singing revolution

it happened in estonia and they threw off the soviet govt in a completely nonviolent manner

heres a link to a documentary site for this movie they also released a book

i heard a very long interview on katherine albrect's show with the husband of the duo who made this film and it was incredibly interesting

http://www.singingrevolution.com/

constituent
09-08-2008, 03:41 PM
as a great overview.... start w/ Trotsky.

You will understand the broader narratives that take place much better if you start w/ the experts.

Conza88
09-08-2008, 07:13 PM
Will do thanks both.

mediahasyou
09-08-2008, 07:18 PM
French Revolution. (violent)
Indian Revolution. (relatively peaceful)

As far as an insight into non violence: http://www.voluntaryist.com/nonviolence/

lucius
09-08-2008, 07:22 PM
Fire In The Minds Of Men by James Billington
Scott’s Life of Napoleon by Sir Walter Scott
From Admiral to Cabin Boy by Admiral Sir Barry Domvile
The Nameless War by Captain A.H.M Ramsay
Waters Flowing Eastward by L. Fry

idiom
09-08-2008, 08:43 PM
The Original Bolshevik revolution in Russia was non-violent. More people got killed in the sexed up propaganda flm about it because they used live ammo.

Pretty much the only thing that counts is that the DoD has to accede. Or at least half of it.

constituent
09-09-2008, 07:08 AM
Pretty much the only thing that counts is that the DoD has to accede. Or at least half of it.

infighting... co opting.... revolutions never work out the way they're meant to...

that's the most import part....


i'm wondering about the "Indian" revolution comment about though....


are you referencing India?

that's one of the best examples in history of Revolution de-railed.

Conza88
09-09-2008, 07:39 AM
infighting... co opting.... revolutions never work out the way they're meant to...

that's the most import part....


i'm wondering about the "Indian" revolution comment about though....


are you referencing India?

that's one of the best examples in history of Revolution de-railed.

I guess he means Gandhi and peacefull gaining national soviegnty? But then Australia and pretty much every other common wealth country did..

Buttt.... that was probably only allowed considering the American revolution won.... and the mother land was like... it's ok, only if you have a central bank... and send your income taxes to us... :(

Truth Warrior
09-09-2008, 07:52 AM
History lesson: MOST revolutions produce regimes far WORSE than the ones overthrown. ;)

SnappleLlama
09-09-2008, 07:54 AM
Just read Les Miserables and you'll get a nice dose of revolutionary spirit!

Truth Warrior
09-09-2008, 08:00 AM
The Illegality, Immorality, and Violence of All Political Action
http://users.aol.com/xeqtr1/voluntaryist/vopa.html

Pete
09-09-2008, 08:35 AM
The Illegality, Immorality, and Violence of All Political Action
http://users.aol.com/xeqtr1/voluntaryist/vopa.html

Terrific essay, thanks for posting.

Truth Warrior
09-09-2008, 08:39 AM
Terrific essay, thanks for posting. You're much more than welcome. :)

Thanks for reading it. ;)

berrybunches
09-09-2008, 08:50 AM
One interesting historic grassroots revolution would have to be the Gothic outcast tribes battling the Romans. Successful too which is odd considering how powerful the Roman empire was and how weak the Goths were. Interesting story but its hard to google becuase all you get a pictures of modern kids dressed in black lol

berrybunches
09-09-2008, 09:01 AM
I also want to say our revolution was encouraging becuase Thomas Paine was single handily responsible for the troops not loosing moral. Why he is so interesting is becuase he was a poor man and an alcoholic who drifted through life but took the idea of freedom revolution very seriously. He was a true grassroots patriot. This man was never a politician. He actually would not accept money for Common Sense and it even became #1 best seller.

Another thing about our revolution is that we were on unexplored land. There were no British here to boot, they had to come to us. This was a high advantage and one that, considering our populated world, we do not have anymore. Its not so easy for the Iraqi's or the Cubans or Koreans...they have their oppressors breathing down their throats. We did not in the least. We were lucky.

Truth Warrior
09-09-2008, 10:44 AM
One interesting historic grassroots revolution would have to be the Gothic outcast tribes battling the Romans. Successful too which is odd considering how powerful the Roman empire was and how weak the Goths were. Interesting story but its hard to google becuase all you get a pictures of modern kids dressed in black lol

http://ancienthistory.about.com/cs/romefallarticles/a/fallofrome.htm

http://killeenroos.com/1/Romefall.htm

Truth Warrior
09-09-2008, 10:48 AM
I also want to say our revolution was encouraging becuase Thomas Paine was single handily responsible for the troops not loosing moral. Why he is so interesting is becuase he was a poor man and an alcoholic who drifted through life but took the idea of freedom revolution very seriously. He was a true grassroots patriot. This man was never a politician. He actually would not accept money for Common Sense and it even became #1 best seller.

Another thing about our revolution is that we were on unexplored land. There were no British here to boot, they had to come to us. This was a high advantage and one that, considering our populated world, we do not have anymore. Its not so easy for the Iraqi's or the Cubans or Koreans...they have their oppressors breathing down their throats. We did not in the least. We were lucky.

Tom didn't really have much competing media and other distractions and diversions to contend and compete with either. ;)

Freedom had been hunted round the globe; reason was considered as rebellion; and the slavery of fear had made men afraid to think. But such is the irresistible nature of truth, that all it asks, and all it wants, is the liberty of appearing. ~ Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791 ~