OK, for real: The REAL reason of the press conference on Wednesday

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Hello Revolutionaries,

Guys, I am writing you because we, as the backbone of the Ron Paul campaign, need to keep the fires of freedom burning bright. Not to try, is to fail. We must continue to promote the message. Ron has said many times that to write him in is a wasted vote. He is holding a press conference on the 10th of Sept. to discuss the power of third party voting.

Darrell Castle, the VP pick for Chuck Baldwin will be in Mississippi, Alabama and Georgia. We need to get Darrell as much face time as possible on the local stations. He is a strict Constitutionalist and an ex Marine. He is an awesome man with much knowledge about foreign policy and the military. He will carry the Ron Paul message into the homes of the subscribers on a local level. We need local cable channels who have talk shows to invite him on. I don't know your areas and what media is available. That is where you come in. Can you please put a team of media hounds together to find those alternative sources?

Can you get him AM interviews? Can you please follow up with me and send me the contact information of your local talk show host?

We would appreciate all the power of the Revolution to push the message of the Constitution and help keep America free.

There is a state chair in each state who are CP members. Most of them haven't been involved in campaigning but are strong leaders in their field. They could sure use as much help as you can give them. They would be grateful, as would we all.


In Liberty,
Amanda Moore
NRC Chuck Baldwin 2008

So there we have it...

[PatriotOne]

So there we have it...

Damn. I was planning on voting Obama just to take down the GOP so we can create order out of chaos ((using NWO's tactics against them :p). I can't ignore an RP marching order though :(

[constitutional]

Great, thanks for clearing things up. Talk about a major annoucement, LOL. :)

[Natalie]

Voting for McCain or Obama will not help this movement in anyway.

[RSLudlum]

Well, I can't do much more than Amanda has in this area of media exposure since she resides in my home town of Charleston and has already gotten Chuck Baldwin on the local radio shows 3 times, but I will be doing what I can to get the word out. ;)

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Yeh.

[Son of Detroit]

Lame.

[speciallyblend]

Voting for McCain or Obama will not help this movement in anyway.

allowing mccain to win will not help either;) vote for anyone but mccain, if this revolution thinks they can retake the republican party if mccain wins then i shake my head.....

[RickyJ]

He is holding a press conference on the 10th of Sept. to discuss the power of third party voting.

Yet, he himself is remaining a Republican. Ron Paul should lead by example here and actually run third party instead of merely talking about the power of voting third party. Talk is cheap, he should run while he is still able to. This makes me think he was never serious about becoming president anyway.

[muh_roads]

So what the hell is the difference between Barr & Baldwin? What is the difference between the Constitution party and the Liberatarian party? IMO not a whole lot. I don't understand why both parties don't just join forces instead of splitting votes...

[FrankRep]

It seems like Ron Paul will host a third party debate to see which candidate he will endorse.

[RickyJ]

It seems like Ron Paul will host a third party debate to see which candidate he will endorse.


Remaining a Republican while telling people to vote third party doesn't seem right to me. If he wants people to vote third party then why does he remain a Republican?

[hard@work]

Remaining a Republican while telling people to vote third party doesn't seem right to me. If he wants people to vote third party then why does he remain a Republican?

Why shouldn't Republicans support other parties?

[ChickenHawk]

Yet, he himself is remaining a Republican. Ron Paul should lead by example here and actually run third party instead of merely talking about the power of voting third party. Talk is cheap, he should run while he is still able to. This makes me think he was never serious about becoming president anyway.


I am certain Ron Paul only ran for President to get his message out. He is too smart to have had any delusions of electability.

[AJ Antimony]

I don't understand how that is considered a 'major announcement.' I don't even see how it's just an announcement.

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

Yet, he himself is remaining a Republican. Ron Paul should lead by example here and actually run third party instead of merely talking about the power of voting third party. Talk is cheap, he should run while he is still able to. This makes me think he was never serious about becoming president anyway.

Yeah, because it's not like he's ever done that before. :rolleyes:

In any case, most states have sore loser laws that prevent you from getting on the ballot as a third party/indie candidate if you already ran in a major party primary that year. Also, his wife is in really poor health and she needs him right now. Plus, why would having another candidate running on the libertarian/constitutionalist platform entering the race and splitting the libertarian/constitutionalist vote further be a good thing?


So what the hell is the difference between Barr & Baldwin? What is the difference between the Constitution party and the Liberatarian party? IMO not a whole lot. I don't understand why both parties don't just join forces instead of splitting votes...

The Constitution Party is strict constitutionalist, whereas the Libertarian Party is not necessarily strict constitutionalist. Both parties want liberty, granted, but the Constitution Party thinks the government should at least abide by its own rules in the process, whereas the Libertarian Party doesn't necessarily care about the Constitution or the system of 10th amendment federalism (I side with the Constitution Party here). Also, the Constitution Party places a heavy emphasis on religion whereas the Libertarian Party doesn't (I side with the Libertarian Party here).

[eok321]

Nah..The announcement wouldnt be given away like that on Baldwins site.

I think he's gonna run and give up his seat in the congress because he knows this is the last roll of the dice.

I mean what does he get done voting on his own all the time. Other than hand benanke his ass every 6 months.

He'll most likely have decent showing and then spend time on the C4L after the election....unless he wins:)

[trey4sports]

Nah..The announcement wouldnt be given away like that on Baldwins site.

I think he's gonna run and give up his seat in the congress because he knows this is the last roll of the dice.

I mean what does he get done voting on his own all the time. Other than hand benanke his ass every 6 months.

He'll most likely have decent showing and then spend time on the C4L after the election....unless he wins:)


he can still keep his seat while running 3rd party

[RonPaulVolunteer]

he can still keep his seat while running 3rd party

Is this absolutely true?

[Original_Intent]

So what the hell is the difference between Barr & Baldwin? What is the difference between the Constitution party and the Liberatarian party? IMO not a whole lot. I don't understand why both parties don't just join forces instead of splitting votes...

The fundamental difference is this.

The LP tries to act neutral in regards to religion, but a large number of the members are actively anti-religion and specifically anti-Christian. Man's right's are derived not from God or from government, but from nature (i.e. the rights are self-evident)

The CP respects an individuals right to believe in any God they want or no God at all. They are not out to force religion down anyone's throat as the LP would have you believe. But they do approach questions of morality from the perspective that God exists, and that God, not government, gives us our rights.

In actual practice, they are quite close except in regards to abortion and gay marriage. (I personally tend toward the LP position on gay marriage and the CP position on Right to Life). Certainly these differences should be discussed intelligently and see if some closed minds could be opened a tad in both camps. They vertainly share a lot of common ground about getting government out of our lives, although again the LP has more anarchist/minarchist and the CP does have more than a few theocrats in their ranks)

Not taking sides, there are some tough differences to overcome,w hich is really too bad.

[constituent]

Nah..The announcement wouldnt be given away like that on Baldwins site.

I think he's gonna run and give up his seat in the congress because he knows this is the last roll of the dice.

I mean what does he get done voting on his own all the time. Other than hand benanke his ass every 6 months.

He'll most likely have decent showing and then spend time on the C4L after the election....unless he wins:)

No, next go round he could easily be our governor... or, uh.... errrrr..... president.

[eok321]

No, next go round he could easily be our governor... or, uh.... errrrr..... president.

Im not sure but i think he said he wasnt interested in the governers position..or that may have been senate:confused:

when i said roll last roll of the dice i meant for 2008:cool:

Anyway if he wasnt in congress so much he could spend the next 3 years in effect on the campaign trail for 2012.

Had he have been able to do that in say Iowa last year who knows where we'd be now.

[-lotus-]

I am certain Ron Paul only ran for President to get his message out. He is too smart to have had any delusions of electability.

this.
as much as Id love to see RP in the white house, we all knew that there was no way TPTB would let it happen. He has however done something that cannot be undone, and that is to waken the minds of millions of Americans. We owe him immensely just for this.

[Aldanga]

Nah..The announcement wouldnt be given away like that on Baldwins site.

I think he's gonna run and give up his seat in the congress because he knows this is the last roll of the dice.

I mean what does he get done voting on his own all the time. Other than hand benanke his ass every 6 months.

He'll most likely have decent showing and then spend time on the C4L after the election....unless he wins:)

How the heck would running do any good without ballot access?

[nate895]

Is this absolutely true?

Yes. He has secured, via already established precedent, that he will be the GOP nominee in District 14 for Congress.

[latkinson6]

Also: That upcoming Paul press conference will feature both Bob Barr and Chuck Baldwin (who ended up snagging the Independent Green line). I haven't confirmed if Ralph Nader or Cynthia McKinney will be there, but neither has released a Wednesday schedule.

http://reason.com/blog/show/128678.html

[nate895]

How the heck would running do any good without ballot access?

Since Bob Barr and Chuck Baldwin have both secured ballot access to theoretically win the Presidency, he could use their electors as his slate.

[CurtisLow]

allowing mccain to win will not help either;) vote for anyone but mccain, if this revolution thinks they can retake the republican party if mccain wins then i shake my head.....

I'm sure the dirty dozen (Bush&Company) want McCain to win and will do everything in there cheating powers to do so. It was told some time ago that this election will be thrown to the republicans. Hence why bush fired all those federal Judges so there would be no opposition to the vote count or recount. Would McWar have Bush&Company tried for war crimes? I don't think so.

[alaric]

So what the hell is the difference between Barr & Baldwin? What is the difference between the Constitution party and the Liberatarian party? IMO not a whole lot. I don't understand why both parties don't just join forces instead of splitting votes...

applesolutely!

[idiom]

well thats the thing right, you don't vote for a President. A Vote for Barr is a vote for libertarian Electors, as is a Vote for Baldwin.

little 'l'.

And if he would accept, a vote for libertarian electors is a vote for Ron Paul.

[MelissaCato]

It seems like Ron Paul will host a third party debate to see which candidate he will endorse.

This doesn't sound like Ron Paul. He knows he's the only one. I'm in hopes McCain decided to hand over the election to Ron Paul. :eek:

Darn it. :cool:

[muzzled dogg]

weakkkkkkk

[bluto20]

I feel as if the reason all of the big names are going to be at this announcement is because they are going to endorse the "Constitutional" Party and obviously the candidate running; Chuck.

[KenInMontiMN]

I have it on good authority they've negotiated an agreement to include Paul, Barr, & Baldwin in KungFu Election-
http://www.addictinggames.com/kungfuelection.html

[Bman]

I feel as if the reason all of the big names are going to be at this announcement is because they are going to endorse the "Constitutional" Party and obviously the candidate running; Chuck.



WHA, WHA, WHAT?!!?

They're going to decide to all support the guys with the smallest polling numbers? Sorry, I fail to see the logic.

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

WHA, WHA, WHAT?!!?

They're going to decide to all support the guys with the smallest polling numbers? Sorry, I fail to see the logic.

Cynthia McKinney would probably poll lower than Baldwin, but your point is taken. I just can't see unification among the four third parties under one candidate (unless it's Ron Paul). The leftists--McKinney and Nader--wouldn't get behind either Barr or Baldwin because of ideological differences.

[idiom]

WHA, WHA, WHAT?!!?

They're going to decide to all support the guys with the smallest polling numbers? Sorry, I fail to see the logic.

30 Seconds after the endorsement the endorsee will instantly have the highest 3rd party numbers in a long time.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Damn. I was planning on voting Obama just to take down the GOP so we can create order out of chaos ((using NWO's tactics against them :p). I can't ignore an RP marching order though :(

Obama is a socialist. You vote for the type of person you are...

[speciallyblend]

get the crap over with ,im tired of being let down by this campaign, just announce the crap and get it over with, its getting old already!!!

[speciallyblend]

Obama is a socialist. You vote for the type of person you are...

guess, im a ron paul socialists;) labels are full of sh__!!! i am voting against mccain and have no one else to vote for

[Mister Grieves]

Obama is a socialist. You vote for the type of person you are...
Judging Bob Barr solely on his past actions, which is fair, he is a neo-con. So using your logic, anyone who votes for Barr is a neo-con as well.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Judging Bob Barr solely on his past actions, which is fair, he is a neo-con. So using your logic, anyone who votes for Barr is a neo-con as well.

We were talking about Obama. Why don't you stick on topic? Or do you have add?

You don't want to defend you voting for Obama, why? Because you're a commie

Mister Commie

[Mister Grieves]

I've always said all along, come November, I'm writing in Ron Paul.

That's all there is to it.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I've always said all along, come November, I'm writing in Ron Paul.

That's all there is to it.

you were deflecting from Obama for a reason.

you ignored sb voting for Obama. what a hypocrite

[Mister Grieves]

Because the person you were implying was a socialist for saying he was considering voting for Obama as merely a tactic was unfounded and I was contrasting it with voting for a neo-con, Barr.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Because the person you were implying was a socialist for saying he was considering voting for Obama as merely a tactic was unfounded and I was contrasting it with voting for a neo-con, Barr.

when did I mention Barr?

Atleast it's a third party. Mccain is trying to keep Barr off ballots, we don't need your stupid regurgitated bs.

[speciallyblend]

I've always said all along, come November, I'm writing in Ron Paul.

That's all there is to it.

it is your vote and you use it how you see fit, i have decided to stop listening to anyone and i will vote what i see fit to make sure mccain loses.

[Mister Grieves]

when did I mention Barr?I didn't realize you held the authority on what can be discussed at a given time.


Mccain is trying to keep Barr off ballots, we don't need your stupid regurgitated bs.
It doesn't really make sense to have two such like-minded individuals run against each other anyways.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I didn't realize you held the authority on what can be discussed at a given time.


It doesn't really make sense to have two such like-minded individuals run against each other anyways.

That must be why Barr is camaigning on leaving Iraq, eh? You closet Obama voter

[Drknows]

We are all full of ourselves.

I'm sorry voting for (blank) is not going to help this movement in anyway.

Republicans losing wont help us. Democrats losing wont help us. Voting third party wont help us.

Nobody is going to listen or care just ask Nader and Perot. Hell we wont even register on a national scale. We have two candidates splitting our vote up. Half of you are voting for Barr and half are voting for Baldwin, not to mention the ones voting for Obama and Mccain, Then you got the far left voting for Nader and Cynthia Mckinney.

Yeah wooooo hooooo lets make some noise.

We wont make a bit of difference until all of us including the far left, Nonpartisan sheep get behind one candidate. and that aint gonna happen this election year.

[Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice]

We are all full of ourselves.

I'm sorry voting for (blank) is not going to help this movement in anyway.

Republicans losing wont help us. Democrats losing wont help us. Voting third party wont help us.

Nobody is going to listen or care just ask Nader and Perot. Hell we wont even register on a national scale. We have two candidates splitting our vote up. Half of you are voting for Barr and half are voting for Baldwin, not to mention the ones voting for Obama and Mccain, Then you got the far left voting for Nader and Cynthia Mckinney.

Yeah wooooo hooooo lets make some noise.

We wont make a bit of difference until all of us including the far left, Nonpartisan sheep get behind one candidate. and that aint gonna happen this election year.

I disagree.

When we're watching on Nov 3rd and the percentages come in 34% Obama, 32% McCain.... that is a big deal (if it were to happen)

[Drknows]

I disagree.

When we're watching on Nov 3rd and the percentages come in 34% Obama, 32% McCain.... that is a big deal (if it were to happen)

And how does that effect us?

[MsDoodahs]

We are all full of ourselves.

I'm sorry voting for (blank) is not going to help this movement in anyway.

Republicans losing wont help us. Democrats losing wont help us. Voting third party wont help us.

Nobody is going to listen or care just ask Nader and Perot. Hell we wont even register on a national scale. We have two candidates splitting our vote up. Half of you are voting for Barr and half are voting for Baldwin, not to mention the ones voting for Obama and Mccain, Then you got the far left voting for Nader and Cynthia Mckinney.

Yeah wooooo hooooo lets make some noise.

We wont make a bit of difference until all of us including the far left, Nonpartisan sheep get behind one candidate. and that aint gonna happen this election year.


Agreed.

It isn't going to happen this election year.

[Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice]

And how does that effect us?

gets people thinking?
Isn't this more important than any political gain?

[speciallyblend]

We are all full of ourselves.

I'm sorry voting for (blank) is not going to help this movement in anyway.

Republicans losing wont help us. Democrats losing wont help us. Voting third party wont help us.

Nobody is going to listen or care just ask Nader and Perot. Hell we wont even register on a national scale. We have two candidates splitting our vote up. Half of you are voting for Barr and half are voting for Baldwin, not to mention the ones voting for Obama and Mccain, Then you got the far left voting for Nader and Cynthia Mckinney.

Yeah wooooo hooooo lets make some noise.

We wont make a bit of difference until all of us including the far left, Nonpartisan sheep get behind one candidate. and that aint gonna happen this election year.


i have been asking for a unification for awhile now , being a former southern democrat, then a libertarian party member for 12 yrs and now a republican for almost 2 yrs now. I have been an activist for many years , these 3 movements must unite and hopefully tomorrow a truly major announcement will happen,but i doubt it. maybe by 2012 but if the lp/cp/ron paul republicans, and indys and dems had a new platform with a new brand name they would flock in numbers.

This movement is bigger then ron paul/cp/lp , we just have to have a vehicle to move it with. at the moment the gop is looking like a broken down car ready for the junkyard.

THE FUTURE IS IN OUR HANDS,if we can unite these political forces and really fight back together!!!


Never say Never, Hope is Alive,

[MsDoodahs]

gets people thinking?
Isn't this more important than any political gain?

Yes, absolutely. The message is what is important.

[Drknows]

gets people thinking?
Isn't this more important than any political gain?


No they just mock Perot and Nader. They didnt pay attention to their polices or message . And they had more voters and made a bigger impact on the election.

You don't gain respect until you win.

If the dems win the media will just blame Bush and a poor campaign strategy. They wont even discuss Ron Paul or his ideas.

If the republicans win they wont discuss Nader or Cynthia either They will blame themselves for not nominating Hillary.

[MsDoodahs]

at the moment the gop is looking like a broken down car ready for the junkyard.



at the moment the GOP is looking like a dying patient ready for a GOOD DOCTOR.

;)

[Pete]

TPTB probably have a good idea how many of us there are, but John Q needs a wake-up call. 10% behind a fusion candidate would be the bomb.

[speciallyblend]

at the moment the GOP is looking like a dying patient ready for a GOOD DOCTOR.

;)

i hears you;)

[Wendi]

I don't know what he is going to do, but I am going to go crazy waiting to find out. Arrrggghhh... the suspense... :eek:

[MsDoodahs]

No they just mock Perot and Nader. They didnt pay attention to their polices or message . And they had more voters and made a bigger impact on the election.

They always will have more voters. Spread the message and educate as much as you can. I figure I will reach maybe one or two people out of every...I'm guessing every 1000 I talk to. I can't let that deter me.


You don't gain respect until you win.

If the dems win the media will just blame Bush and a poor campaign strategy. They wont even discuss Ron Paul or his ideas.

If the republicans win they wont discuss Nader or Cynthia either They will blame themselves for not nominating Hillary.

And none of that matters a bit to me. Seriously.

Message message message.

It's hard not to be deterred after such an energized campaign.

Message message message.

I remind myself daily - the ears that can hear it, WILL hear it.

[Drknows]

i have been asking for a unification for awhile now , being a former southern democrat, then a libertarian party member for 12 yrs and now a republican for almost 2 yrs now. I have been an activist for many years , these 3 movements must unite and hopefully tomorrow a truly major announcement will happen,but i doubt it. maybe by 2012 but if the lp/cp/ron paul republicans, and indys and dems had a new platform with a new brand name they would flock in numbers.

This movement is bigger then ron paul/cp/lp , we just have to have a vehicle to move it with. at the moment the gop is looking like a broken down car ready for the junkyard.

THE FUTURE IS IN OUR HANDS,if we can unite these political forces and really fight back together!!!


Never say Never, Hope is Alive,

oh im keeping hope alive for 2012 or 2016. :D I'm happy and proud of how far we have come.


yeah all the third parties need to unite. Now if we can just get the far left to believe in state rights and smaller government we might be ok. They like our foreign policy.

[Drknows]

They always will have more voters. Spread the message and educate as much as you can. I figure I will reach maybe one or two people out of every...I'm guessing every 1000 I talk to. I can't let that deter me.



And none of that matters a bit to me. Seriously.

Message message message.

It's hard not to be deterred after such an energized campaign.

Message message message.

I remind myself daily - the ears that can hear it, WILL hear it.

I agree. CFL was the next step to help this movement and keep it alive. we have accomplished more than those before us.

[speciallyblend]

oh im keeping hope alive for 2012 or 2016. :D I'm happy and proud of how far we have come.


yeah all the third parties need to unite. Now if we can just get the far left to believe in state rights and smaller government we might be ok. They like our foreign policy.

but even a better selling point to the far left,is under a ron paul platform,like you said state rights would allow a community or a state to go to a social route if the voters approved of the program etc, it would truly give the power back to the people of each state!!!!!!

[Matt Collins]

No they just mock Perot and Nader. They didnt pay attention to their polices or message . And they had more voters and made a bigger impact on the election.Well, during the debates Perot did in fact change the discussion to more facts and less soundbites. But that only lasted a brief amount of time.





You don't gain respect until you win.
Do you really think the establishment respects Ventura? :rolleyes:




If the republicans win they wont discuss Nader or Cynthia either They will blame themselves for not nominating Hillary.Not necessarily true. I have heard several media talking heads discuss "The Nader Effect of 2000"

[LibertyInJeopardy]

Third parties need not and most cannot unite. In reading this discussion my hope is that the campaign for liberty will enable third parties by providing a focus for mutual media attention. Debates among the third party candidates to be broadcast on stations that will have them (cspan2?) might well serve to draw the attention of the people who are just not happy voting for either main stream candidate or who were just looking for something more like they believe the country should, could, or was supposed to be like most of us were before we had Ron Paul to grab our attention.

All those masses of people need not all agree with our views, but if they care at all then they do need to see a debate based on truly substantive matters rather than sound bites. They need to hear a range of philosophies being discussed and portrayed as serious and real options. Most of all they need to stir up their own minds. I think if people were to take a serious look at the two party machines versus the "third" party ideas they'd see what the two parties are NOT discussing. At the very least that could help push for a change in discussion between the two parties. Ideally it could mark a historic change in the direction of the country and a restoration of citizen political responsibility and ownership.

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Who cares about Ron Paul and his announcements.
Apple is SECONDS away from announcing new iPods!!! Yeah!!!

[i4lurker]

No they just mock Perot and Nader. They didnt pay attention to their polices or message . And they had more voters and made a bigger impact on the election.

You don't gain respect until you win.

If the dems win the media will just blame Bush and a poor campaign strategy. They wont even discuss Ron Paul or his ideas.

If the republicans win they wont discuss Nader or Cynthia either They will blame themselves for not nominating Hillary.

Perot's message did make an impact: Clinton balanced the budget!

And Perot is still making charts!
http://perotcharts.com/

[Matt Collins]

Who cares about Ron Paul and his announcements.
Apple is SECONDS away from announcing new iPods!!! Yeah!!!Who cares what Apple is about to do? What is Brittney Spears up to?!!? :o

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Who cares about Ron Paul and his announcements.
Apple is SECONDS away from announcing new iPods!!! Yeah!!!

If I have to pay for them, then I don't care.

[MsDoodahs]

Who cares about Ron Paul and his announcements.
Apple is SECONDS away from announcing new iPods!!! Yeah!!!

true true true...

[Bman]

30 Seconds after the endorsement the endorsee will instantly have the highest 3rd party numbers in a long time.


Sorry. Chucks not the right guy. There are a bunch of us who would be very uncomfortable with someone who wears their religion on their sleve like someone like Chuck. I mean heck his website looks like a christian activist site rather than an organization sharing in messages of all cultures and climates.

Sorry to say it. But, he's the last guy who should or would get such an endorsement.

[idiom]

Oh I forgot, there are ZERO Christians in Ron Pauls movement.

Also the majority will ignore his endorsement and back someone else with tens of millions anyway.

Or maybe his endorsement will carry some weight?

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Sorry. Chucks not the right guy. There are a bunch of us who would be very uncomfortable with someone who wears their religion on their sleve like someone like Chuck. I mean heck his website looks like a christian activist site rather than an organization sharing in messages of all cultures and climates.

Sorry to say it. But, he's the last guy who should or would get such an endorsement.

Says the person who just joined our boards. Funny.

[acptulsa]

Says the person who just joined our boards. Funny.

Just because he's a n00b doesn't mean he's alone in this. In the Bill Moyers interview Ron Paul said why he doesn't wear his Christianity on his sleeve. He even got the reference right off the top of his head (Matthew Six). He's quiet about it because any Christian should be--as per instructions from Christ himself. To me, it's just another aspect of Paul's greatness.

[Bman]

Says the person who just joined our boards. Funny.

And what does that mean? What would like to know? For starters not everyone who supports Ron Paul is a christian. I mean in all seriousness. Will anyone who is not a christian tell me why they support Chuck Baldwin. Unless some of you haven't been to his website it is a very lonely place for any of us who are not christian.

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Just because he's a n00b doesn't mean he's alone in this. In the Bill Moyers interview Ron Paul said why he doesn't wear his Christianity on his sleeve. He even got the reference right off the top of his head (Matthew Six). He's quiet about it because any Christian should be--as per instructions from Christ himself. To me, it's just another aspect of Paul's greatness.

As a POLITICIAN, Baldwin does NOT wear his religion on his sleeve. But the guy is a MINISTER, so it is his normal job to be talking about his faith.

I fundamentally disagree with the claim the Baldwin wears his religion on his sleeve.

[RonPaulVolunteer]

And what does that mean? What would like to know? For starters not everyone who supports Ron Paul is a christian. I mean in all seriousness. Will anyone who is not a christian tell me why they support Chuck Baldwin. Unless some of you haven't been to his website it is a very lonely place for any of us who are not christian.

If you had been around these parts a while, you'd KNOW why. Hence my post. But at least you ask.

Baldwin was one of the first and most vocal endorsers of Ron Paul. He is very close friends with Ron Paul. Ron Paul has said he will not endorse Barr specifically because Baldwin is in the race. Baldwin has really stuck his neck out amongst his Christian audience and promoted Ron Paul. He believes in true liberty. He does not want America to be a Christian nation. He puts the Constitution first.

Some argue that Baldwin though will probably pray before making any decisions, seeking guidance from his God. Maybe he will. It may surprise you to know then that Ron Paul says the same thing! Source. (http://christiansforronpaul.com/statement.htm)

[Bman]

As a POLITICIAN, Baldwin does NOT wear his religion on his sleeve. But the guy is a MINISTER, so it is his normal job to be talking about his faith.

I fundamentally disagree with the claim the Baldwin wears his religion on his sleeve.


That's not true. I've been to his website. Maybe it's watered down more so than normal, which is hard to tell since I do not know him personally. But he does wear his religion on his sleve. Quite, simply I'm from the non-christian side of people who support or supported Ron Paul. I may be wrong. But I don't think you'll find a lot of non-christian supporters who are going to tell me I'm wrong.

Chuck may be a great guy. He may stand for great things. But his stance with god is just too much for me to take. Thus IMO I could never see him as the best guy.

You can knock me for being new to this board, but you certainly can't knock the fact that I non-christian would have trouble seeing eye to eye with a christian.

[alaric]

That's not true. I've been to his website. Maybe it's watered down more so than normal, which is hard to tell since I do not know him personally. But he does wear his religion on his sleve. Quite, simply I'm from the non-christian side of people who support or supported Ron Paul. I may be wrong. But I don't think you'll find a lot of non-christian supporters who are going to tell me I'm wrong.

Chuck may be a great guy. He may stand for great things. But his stance with god is just too much for me to take. Thus IMO I could never see him as the best guy.

You can knock me for being new to this board, but you certainly can't knock the fact that I non-christian would have trouble seeing eye to eye with a christian.

welcome to the forum! I've been here from near the beginning of the site and with Ron since before his 1988 run. I'd like to see a unison of the 3rd parties, at least until we can get one of them as president. 1st task, break the CFR grip, then we can refine the message with more parties for everyone's preferences. The founders were against ANY political parties and finally we see why. But for now, we need to unite to break the matrix first. When you are up to your ass in alligators you must remember the 1st thing is to drain the swamp. Now as to your point about Baldwin, i agree and i tend to Barr, unless we have the doctor. But i would unite around whoever we pick as the consensus.:cool:

[OReich]

So there we have it...

This contradicts so many things he's said, specifically how NOT effective third-party voting is. Further, he has said this in the last week (and he's also avoided saying "I'm a libertarian" in his Colbert interview). He's not changing this strategy now at least.

[qh4dotcom]

Remaining a Republican while telling people to vote third party doesn't seem right to me. If he wants people to vote third party then why does he remain a Republican?

It's Ok for Republicans to support third parties as long as the 3rd parties adhere to traditional Republican principles.

[KenInMontiMN]

Perot's message did make an impact: Clinton balanced the budget!

And Perot is still making charts!
http://perotcharts.com/

That's a fable; the debt never fell and all of the excess SS contributions were spent in producing that 'balanced budget.' That goes on the national debt ledger. It is the closest we ever came to having a real balanced budget in a long time, though.

[Carole]

The fundamental difference is this.

The LP tries to act neutral in regards to religion, but a large number of the members are actively anti-religion and specifically anti-Christian. Man's right's are derived not from God or from government, but from nature (i.e. the rights are self-evident)

The CP respects an individuals right to believe in any God they want or no God at all. They are not out to force religion down anyone's throat as the LP would have you believe. But they do approach questions of morality from the perspective that God exists, and that God, not government, gives us our rights.

In actual practice, they are quite close except in regards to abortion and gay marriage. (I personally tend toward the LP position on gay marriage and the CP position on Right to Life). Certainly these differences should be discussed intelligently and see if some closed minds could be opened a tad in both camps. They vertainly share a lot of common ground about getting government out of our lives, although again the LP has more anarchist/minarchist and the CP does have more than a few theocrats in their ranks)

Not taking sides, there are some tough differences to overcome,w hich is really too bad.


So long as there are these collectivist issues exist, third parties cannot progress. It would be a good thing if they all could agree on a basic philosophy and combine their efforts.

All the other smaller isssues simply interfere with the main goal. All third parties need to collaberate in order to challenge the status quo. IMHO :)

[Carole]

Im not sure but i think he said he wasnt interested in the governers position..or that may have been senate:confused:

when i said roll last roll of the dice i meant for 2008:cool:

Anyway if he wasnt in congress so much he could spend the next 3 years in effect on the campaign trail for 2012.

Had he have been able to do that in say Iowa last year who knows where we'd be now.
Dr. Paul has stated on television recently that he is NOT interested in being governor. He has always been more interested in national influence because of his strong Constitutional stand and his strong ideas about the economy and Federal Reserve.

[Carole]

Barr-NOT in West Virginia. They did not get 15,000 signatures in time.

Fifteen thousand signatures is ridiculous. Zero signatures is more fair.

The Reps and Dems did not have to get signatures. :mad:

[speciallyblend]

very frustrating, we could of had an option for ron paul for 500 bucks in Colorado but the campaign let the deadline slide. If i would of known the campaign was going to be this bad , i would of payed the 500 myself to have the option, but a lil to late now ,sigh

[frasu]

so as presented on the Cavuto show (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTCskE1m3kI), Ron is not going to take on the third or forth party run, maybe not really endorsing somebody specific... man, I would hate to see the press conference called for a philosophical statement... If nothing important will be announced, the press will continue to ignore CFL

fingered crossed for a good press conference tomorrow, let it be as imagined, The Justice League :)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a5/JLA_12_Variant.jpg

[MozoVote]

http://www.startribune.com/politics/28093264.html

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/chronicle/5992258.html

The news is percolating out... basically Paul will make a statement encouraging voters to reject the two main parties.

[Peace&Freedom]

It would be an ideal occasion to announce an 'inclusive ' 3rd party debate that the Dem and GOP presidential were welcome to attend. Location, probably Atlanta (As Barr and McKinney both live in GA), sponsored by CFL or other independent entity. If CFL sponsored it, it would keep the media focused on Paul and his movement.

[james1844]

So there we have it...

Ron is going to blow the lid off the Reptilian conspiracy.

[Knightskye]

How about an objective source?

[mtj89]

If they had some freak third party fusion with the libertarians and the constitution party, and Ron runs third party I would probably stop going to class and canvas. Rising a campaign from the dead.

I can only dream...

I hope he just orders supporters to not write him in, since that is indeed a true wasted vote, since it is rarely recorded. I also hope he does something to assist getting a third party candidate in the debates.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

If they had some freak third party fusion with the libertarians and the constitution party, and Ron runs third party I would probably stop going to class and canvas. Rising a campaign from the dead.

I can only dream...

I hope he just orders supporters to not write him in, since that is indeed a true wasted vote, since it is rarely recorded. I also hope he does something to assist getting a third party candidate in the debates.

CP members are just people that don't understand the LP. Otherwise, they would join.