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libertythor
09-06-2008, 10:21 PM
Those plus any Spanish speakers whereever they may be:

Lets get in contact with eachother and start influencing the blogosphere in Spanish with pro-liberty ideals. Latin America has had its freedom heros like Benito Juarez, Simon Bolivar, Farias, Father Hidalgo, etc....BUT it seems like socialist organizations have co-opted their image, and Libertarians here are scarce.


This belongs in Grassroots Central because this is a grassroots proposal with the aim at disseminating the message of limited government, personal freedoms, and personal responsibility.

Warrior_of_Freedom
09-06-2008, 11:17 PM
Those plus any Spanish speakers whereever they may be:

Lets get in contact with eachother and start influencing the blogosphere in Spanish with pro-liberty ideals. Latin America has had its freedom heros like Benito Juarez, Simon Bolivar, Farias, Father Hidalgo, etc....BUT it seems like socialist organizations have co-opted their image, and Libertarians here are scarce.


This belongs in Grassroots Central because this is a grassroots proposal with the aim at disseminating the message of limited government, personal freedoms, and personal responsibility.

The whole theory of socialism is based on getting rid of corporate slavery

Paulite
09-06-2008, 11:27 PM
i dont believe socialism is evil. i believe capitalism is worse than socialism. hugo chavez is a maverick which i admire.

Jeremy
09-06-2008, 11:31 PM
i dont believe socialism is evil. i believe capitalism is worse than socialism. hugo chavez is a maverick which i admire.

capitalism is worse than socialism? please read some books by Mises

idiom
09-06-2008, 11:55 PM
If you work it right, everyone can be a government slave instead of a corporate one.

The model for this of course is the Ancient Egyptian government saving their people by selling them food for their houses, under the guidance of Joseph.

Socialism saves the day!

libertythor
09-07-2008, 12:15 AM
i dont believe socialism is evil. i believe capitalism is worse than socialism. hugo chavez is a maverick which i admire.

Well Socialism is the government having a monopolistic control over people's lives. Corporate fascism (often confused with Capitalism) is a quasi-private group of obligarchs with special government privileges.

Unfortunately the mainstream media outlets and educational institutions only offer those two choices, and this is even more apparent in Latin America. Most people in those nations feel compelled to choose one or the other in its extremes.

The US is moving towards that situation. :mad: Before at least there was a dominance of free markets and minimal legislated privilege.


As far as Hugo Chavez, here is my opinion.

1. The US should stay out of Venezuela.

2. His voice in denouncing the Neo-con empire is appreciated by presumably the majority of US libertarians and myself included.

3. Unfortunately he falls in the category of government monopoly and caudillistic (strong man rule) philosophy.

4. His solution to the US empire is to create an empire of his own, with little respect for the ideas of individual liberty. (Soon there will be the two sides calling eachother evil empires. OH JOY!!!!!!!! :rolleyes: )

5. When he had the chance to remove most of the paperwork and regulations to allow common people easy access to the market (a pro-freedom solution) he began jacking up taxes and expropriating private property.

6. Hugo Chavez has removed media outlets critical to his rule.



Now in Mexico the media has manipulated things in the same manner. Last elections here, despite the fact of the existence of 5 presidential candidates, the choice was given between the Corporatist Felipe Calderon of PAN, the Hugo Chavez-style caudillo of Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, and the PRI corrupt dinosaur. The social democrat and quasi libertarian Patricia Mercado (sort of like a Nader) and Roberto Campa (sort of like a cross between Barr and Perot) were largely ignored but at least allowed into the debates. Now the "wasted vote" rhetoric was widely used as well.

I am not proposing an "anti-Chavez brigade" or anything of the sort. It would just be nice to get a strong Spanish language liberty brigade active all over the net, now that more people in Latin American nations have access to and receive news from the Internet.

0zzy
09-07-2008, 12:18 AM
Francisco Marroquin University in c.a.
that's a uni that teaches austrian economics i hear.

libertythor
09-07-2008, 12:34 AM
Francisco Marroquin University in c.a.
that's a uni that teaches austrian economics i hear.

Cool. Thanks for the reference. Here is the link.

https://www.ufm.edu/index.php

Costa Rica does have an active libertarian party. This is mostly due to the fact that Costa Rica has never had a peasant majority.

http://www.movimientolibertario.co.cr/

Other nations do have small groups and organizations, but their ideals have a hard time reaching the masses due to strong class division and the fact that even amongst the literate poor, independent reading and analysis is discouraged and almost non-existent.

However, now that more people have access to the internet in many areas, there is an opportunity to help foment grassroots sites like Ron Paul Forums and get the word out to at least a larger segment of the population.

Now this has to be done by people who are from there and citizens of their respective nations because most latin american nations have constitutional provisions prohibiting external interference in political affairs, except for educational purposes.

Americans could help design the websites and provide literature, but this has to be directed by locals.

Heck imagine massive slimjimming, sign waving, and blogging taking place in Lima, Santiago, Buenos Aires, Caracas, Mexico City etc!


Are there ISIL members here that could give pointers?

defe07
09-07-2008, 02:07 AM
I actually live in Santiago, Chile. How can I help?

Kludge
09-07-2008, 02:42 AM
i dont believe socialism is evil. i believe capitalism is worse than socialism. hugo chavez is a maverick which i admire.

Socialism is inherently unfair virtually 100% of the time. A society with appropriate justice and rights which protect property ought to be the goal if minority rights are to be attained.

muh_roads
09-07-2008, 04:11 AM
i dont believe socialism is evil. i believe capitalism is worse than socialism. hugo chavez is a maverick which i admire.

You're confusing what you see around us as capitalism which is really corporatism. You would inherently love capitalism a lot more if you could see it in action. But we don't.

libertythor
09-07-2008, 02:15 PM
Do you know any Chileans that are libertarians that could help form a blog brigade? If we get enough Spanish speakers together, a type of "Ron Paul Forums" can be formed to help foment grassroots activities. It would have to be in a Craigslist type format with a forum for each nation though.

Plus it would be a good idea to try to prod Digg into making a Spanish social news site.


This isn't mainy for the RP movement in the US, its to spread the seeds of libertarianism in Spanish-speaking nations, so it would be more for the benefit of Chilean libertarians rather than American.


I actually live in Santiago, Chile. How can I help?

nbhadja
09-07-2008, 02:29 PM
i dont believe socialism is evil. i believe capitalism is worse than socialism. hugo chavez is a maverick which i admire.

I'm sorry but you don't have a clue about capitalism. It is a FACT that capitalism is 100 times better than Socialism.

Paulite
09-07-2008, 03:00 PM
I'm sorry but you don't have a clue about capitalism. It is a FACT that capitalism is 100 times better than Socialism.

then why cuba and venezuelans have it better than us in healthcare.
i watched

sicko

i read
armed madhouse by greg palast.

unless there is something im not understanding .

yea we have great healthcare for the top % of the country. we need equality. we need a system that prohibits individual to own more than one house as long there are homeless. eliminating greed.


for capitalism to live there needs to be poor people to feed off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-Dhv59JYpA

there is a reason american government hates chavez for no apparent reason , there is a reason cuba kicked out all us companies out of cuba once castro took power.


im a newbi in economics and i believe ron paul is sincere when he talks that free markets take care of the poor better than a socialist government.

which would rather choose fascism/corporatism or socialism?

libertythor
09-07-2008, 03:01 PM
I'm sorry but you don't have a clue about capitalism. It is a FACT that capitalism is 100 times better than Socialism.

+1776

Special privileges for some in the marketplace isn't Capitalism, thats Corporate Fascism.

Arklatex
09-07-2008, 03:14 PM
We need to be careful with Chavez, my friend is Venezuelan and I feel sorry for the people there. Thankfully the masses finally refused his dictatorship in that country - we'll see.

The member Dan here at rpforums is costa rican. Hey Dan!

libertythor
09-07-2008, 03:21 PM
We need to be careful with Chavez, my friend is Venezuelan and I feel sorry for the people there. Thankfully the masses finally refused his dictatorship in that country - we'll see.


+1 He is just trying to create another empire instead of promoting liberty. I know Venezuelans who have emigrated to Mexico because of the chaos, and according to them, the strong man tactics being reported are true.

rodo1776
09-07-2008, 05:35 PM
Count me in too. I live in Costa Rica and Liberty Thor is absolutely correct that we have a great Libertarian presence here.

The party was formed in the 90's and one of the founders was first elected to our congress in 1998. He was a Dr. No of course but his single votes on many issues have proven to be 100% correct just like RP 9he was a strong contender for the presidency in 2006). He was the only one to vote against a scam deal regarding the purchase of medical equipment. One of our past presidents is coming to trial soon on this issue for bribery.

We have grown and now have 5 out of 58 congress people. (only house here no senate) That would be like having 37 Dr. No’s in the US congress.

Check out the link liberty thor provided to see more. Although it is in Spanish. Our Libertarian congress people have been very successful in blocking new taxes, fighting corruption and requiring more transparency in campaign financing and protecting individual rights and fighting government spending and fiat currencies (amongst many other things).

I feel very good living here with their influence.

I was invited to a training seminar they had about 3 years ago for a weekend. This was financed by some outside organization and really helped me to better understand the issues here and the way our government operates here. Any of you that live in other countries may want to look for a libertarian party there and see what they may have to offer.

Don't be shy as they are great people and you do not have to be a citizen to participate. Other than there are laws against being able to donate directly to a campaign. (although I had a great large sign on my property in the last election and that was kosher)

Plus as in all Latin cultures they love to give out nice certificates when you "graduate" that you can hang on a wall.

So maybe we could get together a mailing list of all of us in Latin America and exchange ideas and know where the blogs are etc? I would love to help with that if we could do it.

Also maybe another idea is to put RPF in Spanish as well. I think there are some programs available that can automatically convert English to Spanish.

Wouldn’t it be great to have RPF available in Spanish? Just think we could have the link on all our literature and direct Spanish speakers in the USA and any other country to the forums.

We could also attract a lot of nice Latinas and Latinos that we could get to know to share tents at the next Ronstock.

Hey have to think positive no?

As we say here:

Pura Vida!!!

Rodo (short for Rodolfo) 1776 (short for REVOLUTION!!!)