COINTELPRO Techniques effective against this forum...

[XR500Final]

There are going to be some people on this forum that are most likely *not* going to enjoy this forum posting... :)

COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum..

There are several techniques for the control and manipulation of a internet forum no matter what, or who is on it. We will go over each technique and demonstrate that only a minimal number of operatives can be used to eventually and effectively gain a control of a 'uncontrolled forum.'

Technique #1 - 'FORUM SLIDING'

If a very sensitive posting of a critical nature has been posted on a forum - it can be quickly removed from public view by 'forum sliding.' In this technique a number of unrelated posts are quietly prepositioned on the forum and allowed to 'age.' Each of these misdirectional forum postings can then be called upon at will to trigger a 'forum slide.' The second requirement is that several fake accounts exist, which can be called upon, to ensure that this technique is not exposed to the public. To trigger a 'forum slide' and 'flush' the critical post out of public view it is simply a matter of logging into each account both real and fake and then 'replying' to prepositined postings with a simple 1 or 2 line comment. This brings the unrelated postings to the top of the forum list, and the critical posting 'slides' down the front page, and quickly out of public view. Although it is difficult or impossible to censor the posting it is now lost in a sea of unrelated and unuseful postings. By this means it becomes effective to keep the readers of the forum reading unrelated and non-issue items.

Technique #2 - 'CONSENSUS CRACKING'

A second highly effective technique (which you can see in operation all the time at www.abovetopsecret.com) is 'consensus cracking.' To develop a consensus crack, the following technique is used. Under the guise of a fake account a posting is made which looks legitimate and is towards the truth is made - but the critical point is that it has a VERY WEAK PREMISE without substantive proof to back the posting. Once this is done then under alternative fake accounts a very strong position in your favour is slowly introduced over the life of the posting. It is IMPERATIVE that both sides are initially presented, so the uninformed reader cannot determine which side is the truth. As postings and replies are made the stronger 'evidence' or disinformation in your favour is slowly 'seeded in.' Thus the uninformed reader will most like develop the same position as you, and if their position is against you their opposition to your posting will be most likely dropped. However in some cases where the forum members are highly educated and can counter your disinformation with real facts and linked postings, you can then 'abort' the consensus cracking by initiating a 'forum slide.'

Technique #3 - 'TOPIC DILUTION'

Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a 'RESOURCE BURN.' By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a 'gossip mode.' In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the more effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction that you would desire the group to go in. It must be stressed that a proper assessment of the psychological capabilities and levels of education is first determined of the group to determine at what level to 'drive in the wedge.' By being too far off topic too quickly it may trigger censorship by a forum moderator.

Technique #4 - 'INFORMATION COLLECTION'

Information collection is also a very effective method to determine the psychological level of the forum members, and to gather intelligence that can be used against them. In this technique in a light and positive environment a 'show you mine so me yours' posting is initiated. From the number of replies and the answers that are provided much statistical information can be gathered. An example is to post your 'favourite weapon' and then encourage other members of the forum to showcase what they have. In this matter it can be determined by reverse proration what percentage of the forum community owns a firearm, and or a illegal weapon. This same method can be used by posing as one of the form members and posting your favourite 'technique of operation.' From the replies various methods that the group utilizes can be studied and effective methods developed to stop them from their activities.

Technique #5 - 'ANGER TROLLING'

Statistically, there is always a percentage of the forum posters who are more inclined to violence. In order to determine who these individuals are, it is a requirement to present a image to the forum to deliberately incite a strong psychological reaction. From this the most violent in the group can be effectively singled out for reverse IP location and possibly local enforcement tracking. To accomplish this only requires posting a link to a video depicting a local police officer massively abusing his power against a very innocent individual. Statistically of the million or so police officers in America there is always one or two being caught abusing there powers and the taping of the activity can be then used for intelligence gathering purposes - without the requirement to 'stage' a fake abuse video. This method is extremely effective, and the more so the more abusive the video can be made to look. Sometimes it is useful to 'lead' the forum by replying to your own posting with your own statement of violent intent, and that you 'do not care what the authorities think!!' inflammation. By doing this and showing no fear it may be more effective in getting the more silent and self-disciplined violent intent members of the forum to slip and post their real intentions. This can be used later in a court of law during prosecution.

Technique #6 - 'GAINING FULL CONTROL'

It is important to also be harvesting and continually maneuvering for a forum moderator position. Once this position is obtained, the forum can then be effectively and quietly controlled by deleting unfavourable postings - and one can eventually steer the forum into complete failure and lack of interest by the general public. This is the 'ultimate victory' as the forum is no longer participated with by the general public and no longer useful in maintaining their freedoms. Depending on the level of control you can obtain, you can deliberately steer a forum into defeat by censoring postings, deleting memberships, flooding, and or accidentally taking the forum offline. By this method the forum can be quickly killed. However it is not always in the interest to kill a forum as it can be converted into a 'honey pot' gathering center to collect and misdirect newcomers and from this point be completely used for your control for your agenda purposes.

CONCLUSION

Remember these techniques are only effective if the forum participants DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THEM. Once they are aware of these techniques the operation can completely fail, and the forum can become uncontrolled. At this point other avenues must be considered such as initiating a false legal precidence to simply have the forum shut down and taken offline. This is not desirable as it then leaves the enforcement agencies unable to track the percentage of those in the population who always resist attempts for control against them. Many other techniques can be utilized and developed by the individual and as you develop further techniques of infiltration and control it is imperative to share then with HQ.

[american.swan]

i'll bump

[Kludge]

List the members you believe are using these "COINTELPRO Techniques" to further their agenda.

[american.swan]

List the members you believe are using these "COINTELPRO Techniques" to further their agenda.

That would be some good info, but I am unsure how easy it would be to find.

I mean all the multiple accounts...how would you know who is the mastermind.

I will say of all the "anti-gov" websites out there, THIS one would be very desirable to control.

[american.swan]

There are going to be some people on this forum that are most likely *not* going to enjoy this forum posting... :)

COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum..

There are several techniques for the control and manipulation of a internet forum no matter what, or who is on it. We will go over each technique and demonstrate that only a minimal number of operatives can be used to eventually and effectively gain a control of a 'uncontrolled forum.'

Technique #1 - 'FORUM SLIDING'

If a very sensitive posting of a critical nature has been posted on a forum - it can be quickly removed from public view by 'forum sliding.' In this technique a number of unrelated posts are quietly prepositioned on the forum and allowed to 'age.' Each of these misdirectional forum postings can then be called upon at will to trigger a 'forum slide.' The second requirement is that several fake accounts exist, which can be called upon, to ensure that this technique is not exposed to the public. To trigger a 'forum slide' and 'flush' the critical post out of public view it is simply a matter of logging into each account both real and fake and then 'replying' to prepositined postings with a simple 1 or 2 line comment. This brings the unrelated postings to the top of the forum list, and the critical posting 'slides' down the front page, and quickly out of public view. Although it is difficult or impossible to censor the posting it is now lost in a sea of unrelated and unuseful postings. By this means it becomes effective to keep the readers of the forum reading unrelated and non-issue items.

Technique #2 - 'CONSENSUS CRACKING'

A second highly effective technique (which you can see in operation all the time at www.abovetopsecret.com) is 'consensus cracking.' To develop a consensus crack, the following technique is used. Under the guise of a fake account a posting is made which looks legitimate and is towards the truth is made - but the critical point is that it has a VERY WEAK PREMISE without substantive proof to back the posting. Once this is done then under alternative fake accounts a very strong position in your favour is slowly introduced over the life of the posting. It is IMPERATIVE that both sides are initially presented, so the uninformed reader cannot determine which side is the truth. As postings and replies are made the stronger 'evidence' or disinformation in your favour is slowly 'seeded in.' Thus the uninformed reader will most like develop the same position as you, and if their position is against you their opposition to your posting will be most likely dropped. However in some cases where the forum members are highly educated and can counter your disinformation with real facts and linked postings, you can then 'abort' the consensus cracking by initiating a 'forum slide.'

Technique #3 - 'TOPIC DILUTION'

Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a 'RESOURCE BURN.' By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a 'gossip mode.' In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the more effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction that you would desire the group to go in. It must be stressed that a proper assessment of the psychological capabilities and levels of education is first determined of the group to determine at what level to 'drive in the wedge.' By being too far off topic too quickly it may trigger censorship by a forum moderator.

Technique #4 - 'INFORMATION COLLECTION'

Information collection is also a very effective method to determine the psychological level of the forum members, and to gather intelligence that can be used against them. In this technique in a light and positive environment a 'show you mine so me yours' posting is initiated. From the number of replies and the answers that are provided much statistical information can be gathered. An example is to post your 'favourite weapon' and then encourage other members of the forum to showcase what they have. In this matter it can be determined by reverse proration what percentage of the forum community owns a firearm, and or a illegal weapon. This same method can be used by posing as one of the form members and posting your favourite 'technique of operation.' From the replies various methods that the group utilizes can be studied and effective methods developed to stop them from their activities.

Technique #5 - 'ANGER TROLLING'

Statistically, there is always a percentage of the forum posters who are more inclined to violence. In order to determine who these individuals are, it is a requirement to present a image to the forum to deliberately incite a strong psychological reaction. From this the most violent in the group can be effectively singled out for reverse IP location and possibly local enforcement tracking. To accomplish this only requires posting a link to a video depicting a local police officer massively abusing his power against a very innocent individual. Statistically of the million or so police officers in America there is always one or two being caught abusing there powers and the taping of the activity can be then used for intelligence gathering purposes - without the requirement to 'stage' a fake abuse video. This method is extremely effective, and the more so the more abusive the video can be made to look. Sometimes it is useful to 'lead' the forum by replying to your own posting with your own statement of violent intent, and that you 'do not care what the authorities think!!' inflammation. By doing this and showing no fear it may be more effective in getting the more silent and self-disciplined violent intent members of the forum to slip and post their real intentions. This can be used later in a court of law during prosecution.

Technique #6 - 'GAINING FULL CONTROL'

It is important to also be harvesting and continually maneuvering for a forum moderator position. Once this position is obtained, the forum can then be effectively and quietly controlled by deleting unfavourable postings - and one can eventually steer the forum into complete failure and lack of interest by the general public. This is the 'ultimate victory' as the forum is no longer participated with by the general public and no longer useful in maintaining their freedoms. Depending on the level of control you can obtain, you can deliberately steer a forum into defeat by censoring postings, deleting memberships, flooding, and or accidentally taking the forum offline. By this method the forum can be quickly killed. However it is not always in the interest to kill a forum as it can be converted into a 'honey pot' gathering center to collect and misdirect newcomers and from this point be completely used for your control for your agenda purposes.

CONCLUSION

Remember these techniques are only effective if the forum participants DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THEM. Once they are aware of these techniques the operation can completely fail, and the forum can become uncontrolled. At this point other avenues must be considered such as initiating a false legal precidence to simply have the forum shut down and taken offline. This is not desirable as it then leaves the enforcement agencies unable to track the percentage of those in the population who always resist attempts for control against them. Many other techniques can be utilized and developed by the individual and as you develop further techniques of infiltration and control it is imperative to share then with HQ.

I nominate this post Post of the Year. (search for a list of other such post)

[Conza88]

List the members you believe are using these "COINTELPRO Techniques" to further their agenda.

Kludge. ;)

[american.swan]

Kludge. ;)

I think that Matt, Sally, and Paul-Delegate argument fits perfectly. Their doing it.

[american.swan]

There have been "show your gun" threads on here!!!!

[american.swan]

There using these to divide us. The real members on here still support Paul. The Barr, Baldwin arguments are there to divide us.

[Conza88]

I think that Matt, Sally, and Paul-Delegate argument fits perfectly. Their doing it.

This fulfills the exact same purpose. Hence naming the man who wants to call out others. :)


There have been "show your gun" threads on here!!!!

LOL, yes I know. But we all support the 2nd amendment though... so :confused:

[american.swan]

This fulfills the exact same purpose. Hence naming the man who wants to call out others. :)

:)

Thread after thread are just pointless arguing over nothing. This forum is controlled. We need to leave and start a "non" controlled one and keep it not controlled.

[american.swan]

All you forum control freaks in the CIA, AIPAC, KGB , I am going to keep this thread bumped. You've been warned.

[american.swan]

No one is responding to this thread BECAUSE EVERY LOGGED IN MEMBER RIGHT NOW IS IN ON THE RPF TAKEOVER PLOT!!!

[LibertyEagle]

We seem to have largely forgotten what we came here to achieve and have devolved into one big constant bitch fest, in my opinion. There are clearly trolls on the board right now and others who either accidentally, or intentionally, have moved the focus from taking back our country, to a game that reminds me of pin the tail on the donkey.

Frankly, it's disgusting.

[LibertyEagle]

No one is responding to this thread BECAUSE EVERY LOGGED IN MEMBER RIGHT NOW IS IN ON THE RPF TAKEOVER PLOT!!!

What happened tonight was not a "takeover plot", in my opinion. It was the culmination and attempt to right what has been going on for quite some time.

[Conza88]

You're both joking right? :confused:

I think you've lost the plot. :s

[VivaLaRevolution]

Yes, because the government would waste its time on a small group of people that no one takes seriously.

[PatriotOne]

There are going to be some people on this forum that are most likely *not* going to enjoy this forum posting... :)

COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum..

There are several techniques for the control and manipulation of a internet forum no matter what, or who is on it. We will go over each technique and demonstrate that only a minimal number of operatives can be used to eventually and effectively gain a control of a 'uncontrolled forum.'

Technique #1 - 'FORUM SLIDING'

If a very sensitive posting of a critical nature has been posted on a forum - it can be quickly removed from public view by 'forum sliding.' In this technique a number of unrelated posts are quietly prepositioned on the forum and allowed to 'age.' Each of these misdirectional forum postings can then be called upon at will to trigger a 'forum slide.' The second requirement is that several fake accounts exist, which can be called upon, to ensure that this technique is not exposed to the public. To trigger a 'forum slide' and 'flush' the critical post out of public view it is simply a matter of logging into each account both real and fake and then 'replying' to prepositined postings with a simple 1 or 2 line comment. This brings the unrelated postings to the top of the forum list, and the critical posting 'slides' down the front page, and quickly out of public view. Although it is difficult or impossible to censor the posting it is now lost in a sea of unrelated and unuseful postings. By this means it becomes effective to keep the readers of the forum reading unrelated and non-issue items.

Technique #2 - 'CONSENSUS CRACKING'

A second highly effective technique (which you can see in operation all the time at www.abovetopsecret.com) is 'consensus cracking.' To develop a consensus crack, the following technique is used. Under the guise of a fake account a posting is made which looks legitimate and is towards the truth is made - but the critical point is that it has a VERY WEAK PREMISE without substantive proof to back the posting. Once this is done then under alternative fake accounts a very strong position in your favour is slowly introduced over the life of the posting. It is IMPERATIVE that both sides are initially presented, so the uninformed reader cannot determine which side is the truth. As postings and replies are made the stronger 'evidence' or disinformation in your favour is slowly 'seeded in.' Thus the uninformed reader will most like develop the same position as you, and if their position is against you their opposition to your posting will be most likely dropped. However in some cases where the forum members are highly educated and can counter your disinformation with real facts and linked postings, you can then 'abort' the consensus cracking by initiating a 'forum slide.'

Technique #3 - 'TOPIC DILUTION'

Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a 'RESOURCE BURN.' By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a 'gossip mode.' In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the more effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction that you would desire the group to go in. It must be stressed that a proper assessment of the psychological capabilities and levels of education is first determined of the group to determine at what level to 'drive in the wedge.' By being too far off topic too quickly it may trigger censorship by a forum moderator.

Technique #4 - 'INFORMATION COLLECTION'

Information collection is also a very effective method to determine the psychological level of the forum members, and to gather intelligence that can be used against them. In this technique in a light and positive environment a 'show you mine so me yours' posting is initiated. From the number of replies and the answers that are provided much statistical information can be gathered. An example is to post your 'favourite weapon' and then encourage other members of the forum to showcase what they have. In this matter it can be determined by reverse proration what percentage of the forum community owns a firearm, and or a illegal weapon. This same method can be used by posing as one of the form members and posting your favourite 'technique of operation.' From the replies various methods that the group utilizes can be studied and effective methods developed to stop them from their activities.

Technique #5 - 'ANGER TROLLING'

Statistically, there is always a percentage of the forum posters who are more inclined to violence. In order to determine who these individuals are, it is a requirement to present a image to the forum to deliberately incite a strong psychological reaction. From this the most violent in the group can be effectively singled out for reverse IP location and possibly local enforcement tracking. To accomplish this only requires posting a link to a video depicting a local police officer massively abusing his power against a very innocent individual. Statistically of the million or so police officers in America there is always one or two being caught abusing there powers and the taping of the activity can be then used for intelligence gathering purposes - without the requirement to 'stage' a fake abuse video. This method is extremely effective, and the more so the more abusive the video can be made to look. Sometimes it is useful to 'lead' the forum by replying to your own posting with your own statement of violent intent, and that you 'do not care what the authorities think!!' inflammation. By doing this and showing no fear it may be more effective in getting the more silent and self-disciplined violent intent members of the forum to slip and post their real intentions. This can be used later in a court of law during prosecution.

Technique #6 - 'GAINING FULL CONTROL'

It is important to also be harvesting and continually maneuvering for a forum moderator position. Once this position is obtained, the forum can then be effectively and quietly controlled by deleting unfavourable postings - and one can eventually steer the forum into complete failure and lack of interest by the general public. This is the 'ultimate victory' as the forum is no longer participated with by the general public and no longer useful in maintaining their freedoms. Depending on the level of control you can obtain, you can deliberately steer a forum into defeat by censoring postings, deleting memberships, flooding, and or accidentally taking the forum offline. By this method the forum can be quickly killed. However it is not always in the interest to kill a forum as it can be converted into a 'honey pot' gathering center to collect and misdirect newcomers and from this point be completely used for your control for your agenda purposes.

CONCLUSION

Remember these techniques are only effective if the forum participants DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THEM. Once they are aware of these techniques the operation can completely fail, and the forum can become uncontrolled. At this point other avenues must be considered such as initiating a false legal precidence to simply have the forum shut down and taken offline. This is not desirable as it then leaves the enforcement agencies unable to track the percentage of those in the population who always resist attempts for control against them. Many other techniques can be utilized and developed by the individual and as you develop further techniques of infiltration and control it is imperative to share then with HQ.

Good post and very appropriate to this forum. It has been rendered ineffective. Time to clean house or watch the remaining white hats here do an exodous when the new forum is available. We are sick of having to argue with trolls and would rather concentrate on doing something positive for the movement.

[VoteForRonPaul]

Fight fascism from within!

Ask the moderators why the fascist polices are spreading in the so called Liberty Forest, oops I mean Liberty Fox. :cool:

[LittleLightShining]

:)

Thread after thread are just pointless arguing over nothing. This forum is controlled. We need to leave and start a "non" controlled one and keep it not controlled.I can't get through some really important CFL threads because they have devolved into accusatory "with us or against us" arguments.

I see a lot of the tactics mentioned in the OP. I've always felt pretty comfortable, so much so that I've shared more here than anywhere else. I know. I'm naive.

[백조씨]

I can't get through some really important CFL threads because they have devolved into accusatory "with us or against us" arguments.

I see a lot of the tactics mentioned in the OP. I've always felt pretty comfortable, so much so that I've shared more here than anywhere else. I know. I'm naive.

check the tag on this thread :) Priceless.

[freelance]

What happened tonight was not a "takeover plot", in my opinion. It was the culmination and attempt to right what has been going on for quite some time.

Huh? What happened?

[Paul_Delegate]

Look for the Sure Signs:

1) Nesting criticism and divisive statments in "happy talk" such as "I think they did a great job but we MUST have effective leadership and competent experts."
(Ie. we don't have them.) <--- this is an example and NOT true

2) The NET results of the COINTELPRO's agent will be to prevent honest, sincere members from every being able to reach a consensus or establish agreements.

3) SWIRL, SWIRL, SWIRL.
For example: Attack and accuse. Take exception to being attacked or receiving criticism. When examples are provided, pretend it didn't happen, force he said/she said discussions, ask for proof then ignore it when provided and counterattack!

These are 3 SURE SIGNS that you have an infiltrator!

[백조씨]

Excuse me....sorry....sorry....excuse me....<--- trying to get passed all the crap threads. (bump)

[moostraks]

check the tag on this thread :) priceless.

lol!!!:d

[moostraks]

Yes, because the government would waste its time on a small group of people that no one takes seriously.

Wow...venture over from McCain forums?? Oh crap forgot we were just a handful of filthy rich spammers, my bad!!!! :p

[Mister Grieves]

I've got to give props to the OP for articulately organizing into a clear and precise post, what I had suspected for a while now, on this, as well as a couple of other forums.

[Mister Grieves]

This should be a sticky.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

There are going to be some people on this forum that are most likely *not* going to enjoy this forum posting... :)

COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum..

There are several techniques for the control and manipulation of a internet forum no matter what, or who is on it. We will go over each technique and demonstrate that only a minimal number of operatives can be used to eventually and effectively gain a control of a 'uncontrolled forum.'

Technique #1 - 'FORUM SLIDING'

If a very sensitive posting of a critical nature has been posted on a forum - it can be quickly removed from public view by 'forum sliding.' In this technique a number of unrelated posts are quietly prepositioned on the forum and allowed to 'age.' Each of these misdirectional forum postings can then be called upon at will to trigger a 'forum slide.' The second requirement is that several fake accounts exist, which can be called upon, to ensure that this technique is not exposed to the public. To trigger a 'forum slide' and 'flush' the critical post out of public view it is simply a matter of logging into each account both real and fake and then 'replying' to prepositined postings with a simple 1 or 2 line comment. This brings the unrelated postings to the top of the forum list, and the critical posting 'slides' down the front page, and quickly out of public view. Although it is difficult or impossible to censor the posting it is now lost in a sea of unrelated and unuseful postings. By this means it becomes effective to keep the readers of the forum reading unrelated and non-issue items.

Technique #2 - 'CONSENSUS CRACKING'

A second highly effective technique (which you can see in operation all the time at www.abovetopsecret.com) is 'consensus cracking.' To develop a consensus crack, the following technique is used. Under the guise of a fake account a posting is made which looks legitimate and is towards the truth is made - but the critical point is that it has a VERY WEAK PREMISE without substantive proof to back the posting. Once this is done then under alternative fake accounts a very strong position in your favour is slowly introduced over the life of the posting. It is IMPERATIVE that both sides are initially presented, so the uninformed reader cannot determine which side is the truth. As postings and replies are made the stronger 'evidence' or disinformation in your favour is slowly 'seeded in.' Thus the uninformed reader will most like develop the same position as you, and if their position is against you their opposition to your posting will be most likely dropped. However in some cases where the forum members are highly educated and can counter your disinformation with real facts and linked postings, you can then 'abort' the consensus cracking by initiating a 'forum slide.'

Technique #3 - 'TOPIC DILUTION'

Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a 'RESOURCE BURN.' By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a 'gossip mode.' In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the more effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction that you would desire the group to go in. It must be stressed that a proper assessment of the psychological capabilities and levels of education is first determined of the group to determine at what level to 'drive in the wedge.' By being too far off topic too quickly it may trigger censorship by a forum moderator.

Technique #4 - 'INFORMATION COLLECTION'

Information collection is also a very effective method to determine the psychological level of the forum members, and to gather intelligence that can be used against them. In this technique in a light and positive environment a 'show you mine so me yours' posting is initiated. From the number of replies and the answers that are provided much statistical information can be gathered. An example is to post your 'favourite weapon' and then encourage other members of the forum to showcase what they have. In this matter it can be determined by reverse proration what percentage of the forum community owns a firearm, and or a illegal weapon. This same method can be used by posing as one of the form members and posting your favourite 'technique of operation.' From the replies various methods that the group utilizes can be studied and effective methods developed to stop them from their activities.

Technique #5 - 'ANGER TROLLING'

Statistically, there is always a percentage of the forum posters who are more inclined to violence. In order to determine who these individuals are, it is a requirement to present a image to the forum to deliberately incite a strong psychological reaction. From this the most violent in the group can be effectively singled out for reverse IP location and possibly local enforcement tracking. To accomplish this only requires posting a link to a video depicting a local police officer massively abusing his power against a very innocent individual. Statistically of the million or so police officers in America there is always one or two being caught abusing there powers and the taping of the activity can be then used for intelligence gathering purposes - without the requirement to 'stage' a fake abuse video. This method is extremely effective, and the more so the more abusive the video can be made to look. Sometimes it is useful to 'lead' the forum by replying to your own posting with your own statement of violent intent, and that you 'do not care what the authorities think!!' inflammation. By doing this and showing no fear it may be more effective in getting the more silent and self-disciplined violent intent members of the forum to slip and post their real intentions. This can be used later in a court of law during prosecution.

Technique #6 - 'GAINING FULL CONTROL'

It is important to also be harvesting and continually maneuvering for a forum moderator position. Once this position is obtained, the forum can then be effectively and quietly controlled by deleting unfavourable postings - and one can eventually steer the forum into complete failure and lack of interest by the general public. This is the 'ultimate victory' as the forum is no longer participated with by the general public and no longer useful in maintaining their freedoms. Depending on the level of control you can obtain, you can deliberately steer a forum into defeat by censoring postings, deleting memberships, flooding, and or accidentally taking the forum offline. By this method the forum can be quickly killed. However it is not always in the interest to kill a forum as it can be converted into a 'honey pot' gathering center to collect and misdirect newcomers and from this point be completely used for your control for your agenda purposes.

CONCLUSION

Remember these techniques are only effective if the forum participants DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THEM. Once they are aware of these techniques the operation can completely fail, and the forum can become uncontrolled. At this point other avenues must be considered such as initiating a false legal precidence to simply have the forum shut down and taken offline. This is not desirable as it then leaves the enforcement agencies unable to track the percentage of those in the population who always resist attempts for control against them. Many other techniques can be utilized and developed by the individual and as you develop further techniques of infiltration and control it is imperative to share then with HQ.

Below is what I believe to be a model posting:

The 14 Rules of Legal Abstinence
To establish an American movement, here are 14 rules of legal abstinence to follow:

Rule #1. Never have too many rules.

Rule #2. Hate is un-American.

Rule #3. Never blame the people.

Rule #4. Never use the political spectrum as a playing field to bicker about politics.

Rule #5. Never give an interview with the media that isn't spontaneous, unedited and unrehearsed.

Rule #6. As Protestants worship the singular Civil-Purpose of the Holy Word in the bible over worshipping the legal precedent rituals established by the authority of the Pope and the Vatican, the singular Civil-Purpose in the Constitution should be consecrated likewise over the traditional legal precedents established by the authority of tyranny.

Rule #7. As law abiding American citizens, we should prefer imprisonment, torture, death and even the frangrance of an outhouse to that of legal tyranny.(Never smile in a courtroom. Always show up as late as possible while leaving as quickly as possible.)

Rule #8. As a winning political campaign is a victory for tyranny, establishing a bipartisan American Movement is a victory for the people.

Rule #9. False American Movements are Administrations which fail to implement fresh measures while they dig up to implement obsolete legal precedents from the past. (American Movements lead Americans back to the consecration of the Civil Purpose in the Constitution, the Founding Fathers, the formal documents of The Declaration of Independence and The U.S. Constitution, and to improvements in contentment in the lives of Americans while altering, tweaking, clarifying and ammending the Constitution, our lightingning in a bottle so to speak, as little as possible. A false American Movement, on the other hand, just tells us what we want to hear.)

Rule #10. The debt of the people should not be burdened with any legal counterfeit created by any foreign or domestic tyranny. (If THE PEOPLE must spend 20 trillion to fix a divided national dinner table created by a tyranny who spent 10 trillion to do so, so be it. The people must own the purse!)

Rule #11. As legal lobbying on the Federal level benefits the rule of tyranny, the civil invention rewarded on the local level benefits the rule of the people. (The local invention of a comfortable chair created to make THE PEOPLE "happier" is far greater in value than the Federal lobbying that takes place of tyranny which serves to divide our national dinner table all in the name of "responsibility.")

Rule #12. There are 3 kinds of people: those with feeble minds who persecute people, those with immature minds who laugh about persecution, and those with the kinds of sober minds that get persecuted. To be an American is always to be the latter.

Rule #13. As our Founding Fathers established themselves on the foundation of a great history, tyranny establishes itself as its own foundation.

Rule #14. Taxes are created with the intentions of benefitting some while cheating others. (Give 10% to the widows and orphans and be governed by the pure hearts of the widows and orphans)

Please notify me if the above posting falls under any of the above classifications listed above? Thank you.

[Matt Collins]

I think that Matt, Sally, and Paul-Delegate argument fits perfectly. Their doing it.I am not doing anything other than fending off personal attacks against me which the moderators don't seem to mind.

[Matt Collins]

I am wondering why there seems to be a movement to undermine the RPF here? Personal attacks and the mods seem to be going along with it.

This course of action will probably lead to the demise and impotency of this forum which would be a tragedy.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

I am wondering why there seems to be a movement to undermine the RPF here? Personal attacks and the mods seem to be going along with it.

This course of action will probably lead to the demise and impotency of this forum which would be a tragedy.

Okay. Please, give us a model post. How may we post without offending you?

[New York For Paul]

In volunteer politics, a builder can build faster than a destroyer can destroy.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

In volunteer politics, a builder can build faster than a destroyer can destroy.

There are no destroyers. Only disillusioned folks who think they are building by destroying. Don't blame the individual for this nonsense but the absurd state of partisan politics that has manifest itself today as we have lost our identity and our souls as to what it means to be Americans.

[Matt Collins]

How may we post without offending you?Post whatever you want, but I think that personal attacks should not be tolerated. I run a forum of 14k+ people and I do not allow personal attacks. Everyone can disagree without being disagreeable.

This anarchy that seems to have cropped up in the last few days here seems to be an organized attempt to undermine the forums. This is not a good situation.

[dannno]

Yes, because the government would waste its time on a small group of people that no one takes seriously.

:rolleyes:

[constituent]

1) Everyone can disagree without being disagreeable.

2) This anarchy that seems to have cropped up in the last few days here seems to be an organized attempt to undermine the forums. This is not a good situation.

1) With money on the line, forget about allowing disagreements, it ain't gonna happen.

2) Yes indeed.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Post whatever you want, but I think that personal attacks should not be tolerated. I run a forum of 14k+ people and I do not allow personal attacks. Everyone can disagree without being disagreeable.

This anarchy that seems to have cropped up in the last few days here seems to be an organized attempt to undermine the forums. This is not a good situation.

Look, Ron Paul gets ignored because, simply put, mainstream media is no longer inventive on the local level as it once was for its survival. It is being threatened by the internet. So, it has turned to lobbying on the Federal level for its survival. This has created a huge conflict of interest which manifests itself as, not the editing out of grammatical errors in political content, which is responsible, but as the editing out of the political content altogether.

This is why the mainstream media often times addresses an issue when the Internet media forces them to. They don't want to.

So, why are you trying to edit political content?

[Matt Collins]

According to this post it seems like it was allowed by Josh: :mad:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1650644&postcount=41

[LibertyEagle]

This anarchy that seems to have cropped up in the last few days here seems to be an organized attempt to undermine the forums. This is not a good situation.
/Mod hat off

The forum has been being undermined for quite some time; organized or unorganized. Last night, some of those attempts were exposed, in my opinion. There are others remaining.

[angelatc]

Personally, I find it pretty sad that a few of the same people are *always* embroiled in the brouhaha of the month.

Drama queens, so to speak.

[Sally08]

According to this post it seems like it was allowed by Josh: :mad:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1650644&postcount=41

JOSH WAS BEING SARCASTIC - note that Paul_Delegate has been banned and presumably has at least one other account-

"Paul_Delegate stick with your original account, you've had your fun."
Paul_Delegate
Banned

Don't miss Josh's reply to LibertyEagle, either:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1650641&postcount=40

Josh deserves thanks and has made his owner values pretty clear:D

Thank you, Josh. I won't send any more PMs about these current posts:D

[Sally08]

Personally, I find it pretty sad that a few of the same people are *always* embroiled in the brouhaha of the month.

Drama queens, so to speak.

FYI, given my post right after yours related to the actions Josh has taken as owner, it would appear that he doesn't find such thoughts relevant.

[Sally08]

/Mod hat off

The forum has been being undermined for quite some time; organized or unorganized. Last night, some of those attempts were exposed, in my opinion. There are others remaining.

LE, did you miss Josh's publicly posted reply to you?
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1650641&postcount=40

I don't mind people critiquing ideas and projects.

You sure don't paint a very pretty picture.

If you have a problem with me, kindly leave like a mature adult.

[angelatc]

Look, Ron Paul gets ignored because, simply put, mainstream media is no longer inventive on the local level as it once was for its survival.


I think that's part of it, but part of it is charisma. Some people, and Paul might be one of them, just don't present their message in a manner that captivates huge audiences.

I was in a room with Bill Clinton once, and the place turned electric when he walked in the room. You can't bottle it, you can't learn it, it's just something certain people give out.

I heard the same thing about Obama. He's just a natural magnet for attention.

Palin seems to have it too. She said a lot of things that conservatives have been saying for years, but it's exciting to hear her say it.

The camera picks that up. Frankly, Paul doesn't always generate a lot of energy. A lot of times his talking points are well rehearsed, because, logically, he's been making the same points for 20+ years. If he was running in the radio generation, he might have been a smash. ( In the future, I'm sure it will all be so electronically manipulated that message won't matter.)

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

/Mod hat off



The forum has been being undermined for quite some time; organized or unorganized. Last night, some of those attempts were exposed, in my opinion. There are others remaining.

As reducers to the bipartisan American Movement.

The Truth is never undermined. We just can't seem to get a grasp of what that means. The legal precedent "doings" of tyranny should be considered secondary to the declared and self-evidence Truths of the people. These Truths clearly depicted determine the correct course of action, not vice-versa. When we choose the course of the vice-versa, we become no better than tyranny.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

I think that's part of it, but part of it is charisma. Some people, and Paul might be one of them, just don't present their message in a manner that captivates huge audiences.

I was in a room with Bill Clinton once, and the place turned electric when he walked in the room. You can't bottle it, you can't learn it, it's just something certain people give out.

I heard the same thing about Obama. He's just a natural magnet for attention.

Palin seems to have it too. She said a lot of things that conservatives have been saying for years, but it's exciting to hear her say it.

The camera picks that up. Frankly, Paul doesn't always generate a lot of energy. A lot of times his talking points are well rehearsed, because, logically, he's been making the same points for 20+ years. If he was running in the radio generation, he might have been a smash. ( In the future, I'm sure it will all be so electronically manipulated that message won't matter.)


I will agree. Still, with all do respect, Abraham Lincoln was once of the ugliest bastards to ever come down the pike while he was also one of the most hated sons of bitches to ever be born of a woman. He ended up being the most endeared American president ever while he was elevated to that of international status as a philosopher.

[Dieseler]

This seems to be getting around.
It was posted here as well.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message600031/pg1

[sratiug]

I will agree. Still, with all do respect, Abraham Lincoln was once of the ugliest bastards to ever come down the pike while he was also one of the most hated sons of bitches to ever be born of a woman. He ended up being the most endeared American president ever while he was elevated to that of international status as a philosopher.

Lincoln was president of a slave country and was more concerned with invading a sovereign neighbor to fix their problems than freeing the slaves in his own country. Exactly what is going on now. Lincoln presided over a terroristic pre-emptive war and implemented the draft causing the largest and deadliest race riots in our history in NEW YORK CITY because most Northerners knew there was no threat from the Confederacy to their land.

Members of this forum need to be united by a few simple truths like these...

The "Civil" War was not a civil war but an invasion by one slave country into another for financial reasons not unlike wars today.

The FED is evil, immoral, and has to be eliminated in favor of hard money.

Posters saying otherwise should be shown good reference material. If they insist on lying to argue otherwise and cannot produce anything resembling credible evidence they should be banned as they are too dumb to ever understand or they are trolls.

[angelatc]

I will agree. Still, with all do respect, Abraham Lincoln was once of the ugliest bastards to ever come down the pike while he was also one of the most hated sons of bitches to ever be born of a woman. He ended up being the most endeared American president ever while he was elevated to that of international status as a philosopher.

Yes, but could he achieve the same greatness (and the Presidency) in today's television / image conscious society?

The Nixon / Kennedy debate forever changed the way we choose our leaders, and not for the better. Not saying that Kennedy wasn't a fine President - he probably was, but it is just the influence that the proverbial cover has over the actual book hasn't really proven to be real progress.

But TV isn't going away, and the manipulations are only going to get worse.

[Kludge]

List the members you believe are using these "COINTELPRO Techniques" to further their agenda.

Bump.

[lucius]

Obscurantism: Obscuring a thread with pictures, ultimately to denigrate, eliminates measured reasoned debate; shifts the argument from logical to emotional. Used here alot.

[american.swan]

Bump!!! Past useless threads.

[Roxi]

thanks for posting... i have been warned about this technique several times by people outside of RPF that were involved in other movements in the past... i have been aware that it occurs here as well, and have tried to tell other that as well.

say what you want but it does happen, there have been shills/provocateurs here since we were featured on CNN and probably before that...

some of them are long time members, some of them are probably government officials, some of them have had the appearance of true ron paul supporters and have probably even attended events and stuff...

i don't think they want to shut the forums down, but rather devide and spread disinformation

[TheEvilDetector]

Here are the solutions to the problems you've outlined:


There are going to be some people on this forum that are most likely *not* going to enjoy this forum posting... :)

COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum..

There are several techniques for the control and manipulation of a internet forum no matter what, or who is on it. We will go over each technique and demonstrate that only a minimal number of operatives can be used to eventually and effectively gain a control of a 'uncontrolled forum.'

Technique #1 - 'FORUM SLIDING'

If a very sensitive posting of a critical nature has been posted on a forum - it can be quickly removed from public view by 'forum sliding.' In this technique a number of unrelated posts are quietly prepositioned on the forum and allowed to 'age.' Each of these misdirectional forum postings can then be called upon at will to trigger a 'forum slide.' The second requirement is that several fake accounts exist, which can be called upon, to ensure that this technique is not exposed to the public. To trigger a 'forum slide' and 'flush' the critical post out of public view it is simply a matter of logging into each account both real and fake and then 'replying' to prepositined postings with a simple 1 or 2 line comment. This brings the unrelated postings to the top of the forum list, and the critical posting 'slides' down the front page, and quickly out of public view. Although it is difficult or impossible to censor the posting it is now lost in a sea of unrelated and unuseful postings. By this means it becomes effective to keep the readers of the forum reading unrelated and non-issue items.


Classify into subforums.



Technique #2 - 'CONSENSUS CRACKING'

A second highly effective technique (which you can see in operation all the time at www.abovetopsecret.com) is 'consensus cracking.' To develop a consensus crack, the following technique is used. Under the guise of a fake account a posting is made which looks legitimate and is towards the truth is made - but the critical point is that it has a VERY WEAK PREMISE without substantive proof to back the posting. Once this is done then under alternative fake accounts a very strong position in your favour is slowly introduced over the life of the posting. It is IMPERATIVE that both sides are initially presented, so the uninformed reader cannot determine which side is the truth. As postings and replies are made the stronger 'evidence' or disinformation in your favour is slowly 'seeded in.' Thus the uninformed reader will most like develop the same position as you, and if their position is against you their opposition to your posting will be most likely dropped. However in some cases where the forum members are highly educated and can counter your disinformation with real facts and linked postings, you can then 'abort' the consensus cracking by initiating a 'forum slide.'


Present equal number of dedicated sticky threads with evidence for each side of argument where people can add new evidence.



Technique #3 - 'TOPIC DILUTION'

Topic dilution is not only effective in forum sliding it is also very useful in keeping the forum readers on unrelated and non-productive issues. This is a critical and useful technique to cause a 'RESOURCE BURN.' By implementing continual and non-related postings that distract and disrupt (trolling ) the forum readers they are more effectively stopped from anything of any real productivity. If the intensity of gradual dilution is intense enough, the readers will effectively stop researching and simply slip into a 'gossip mode.' In this state they can be more easily misdirected away from facts towards uninformed conjecture and opinion. The less informed they are the more effective and easy it becomes to control the entire group in the direction that you would desire the group to go in. It must be stressed that a proper assessment of the psychological capabilities and levels of education is first determined of the group to determine at what level to 'drive in the wedge.' By being too far off topic too quickly it may trigger censorship by a forum moderator.


Classify into subforums.



Technique #4 - 'INFORMATION COLLECTION'

Information collection is also a very effective method to determine the psychological level of the forum members, and to gather intelligence that can be used against them. In this technique in a light and positive environment a 'show you mine so me yours' posting is initiated. From the number of replies and the answers that are provided much statistical information can be gathered. An example is to post your 'favourite weapon' and then encourage other members of the forum to showcase what they have. In this matter it can be determined by reverse proration what percentage of the forum community owns a firearm, and or a illegal weapon. This same method can be used by posing as one of the form members and posting your favourite 'technique of operation.' From the replies various methods that the group utilizes can be studied and effective methods developed to stop them from their activities.


Use a proxy (use several chained ones if you like). Do that from internet cafes.
Use a temp email address to register. Do not use real names, do not provide detailed address.



Technique #5 - 'ANGER TROLLING'

Statistically, there is always a percentage of the forum posters who are more inclined to violence. In order to determine who these individuals are, it is a requirement to present a image to the forum to deliberately incite a strong psychological reaction. From this the most violent in the group can be effectively singled out for reverse IP location and possibly local enforcement tracking. To accomplish this only requires posting a link to a video depicting a local police officer massively abusing his power against a very innocent individual. Statistically of the million or so police officers in America there is always one or two being caught abusing there powers and the taping of the activity can be then used for intelligence gathering purposes - without the requirement to 'stage' a fake abuse video. This method is extremely effective, and the more so the more abusive the video can be made to look. Sometimes it is useful to 'lead' the forum by replying to your own posting with your own statement of violent intent, and that you 'do not care what the authorities think!!' inflammation. By doing this and showing no fear it may be more effective in getting the more silent and self-disciplined violent intent members of the forum to slip and post their real intentions. This can be used later in a court of law during prosecution.


Do not talk about doing violence to other people.



Technique #6 - 'GAINING FULL CONTROL'

It is important to also be harvesting and continually maneuvering for a forum moderator position. Once this position is obtained, the forum can then be effectively and quietly controlled by deleting unfavourable postings - and one can eventually steer the forum into complete failure and lack of interest by the general public. This is the 'ultimate victory' as the forum is no longer participated with by the general public and no longer useful in maintaining their freedoms. Depending on the level of control you can obtain, you can deliberately steer a forum into defeat by censoring postings, deleting memberships, flooding, and or accidentally taking the forum offline. By this method the forum can be quickly killed. However it is not always in the interest to kill a forum as it can be converted into a 'honey pot' gathering center to collect and misdirect newcomers and from this point be completely used for your control for your agenda purposes.



Look at archived posting history before giving anyone moderator status.
Review moderator privileges regularly.



CONCLUSION

Remember these techniques are only effective if the forum participants DO NOT KNOW ABOUT THEM. Once they are aware of these techniques the operation can completely fail, and the forum can become uncontrolled. At this point other avenues must be considered such as initiating a false legal precidence to simply have the forum shut down and taken offline. This is not desirable as it then leaves the enforcement agencies unable to track the percentage of those in the population who always resist attempts for control against them. Many other techniques can be utilized and developed by the individual and as you develop further techniques of infiltration and control it is imperative to share then with HQ.

Thank you for your post.

[Mach]

Just slightly off topic, I've posted this here before, some COINTELPRO history (http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointelpro/cointel.htm).


I have to say, it's sick that this even has to be a topic, but that's how the government works.

[american.swan]

Bump again.

[Dr.3D]

This seems to be getting around.
It was posted here as well.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message600031/pg1

Yeah, here too....

http://clubconspiracy.com/forum/f30/cointelpro-techniques-effective-against-forum-6465.html

[lucius]

Just slightly off topic, I've posted this here before, some COINTELPRO history (http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointelpro/cointel.htm).


I have to say, it's sick that this even has to be a topic, but that's how the government works.

This would be an excellent addition to RPF Wiki.

[american.swan]

bump

[angelatc]

List the members you believe are using these "COINTELPRO Techniques" to further their agenda.

Gee. Seems that one sure method of stirring up crap in a group would be to instigate paranoia and question loyalties every time personalities clash.


BEDEVERE:
What makes you think she is a witch?
VILLAGER #3:
Well, she turned me into a newt!

[Dr.3D]

Gee. Seems that one sure method of stirring up crap in a group would be to instigate paranoia and question loyalties every time personalities clash.

Yeah, what I would like to know is why this same OP is being posted in so many places.

http://conspiracycentral.info/index.php?showtopic=23512&pid=148105&st=0&#entry148105

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/60383

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=57005.0

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message600031/pg1

[Truth Warrior]

Yeah, what I would like to know is why this same OP is being posted in so many places.

http://conspiracycentral.info/index.php?showtopic=23512&pid=148105&st=0&#entry148105

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/60383

http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=57005.0

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message600031/pg1

Folks see them there, like them, and then post them here.

Kinda like LRC and me.

:rolleyes:

[Dr.3D]

Folks see them there, like them, and then post them here.

Kinda like LRC and me.

:rolleyes:

Well, the least they could do is show in the OP the link where they found it. ;)

[acptulsa]

Bump for the trolls and moreso for the troll fighting warriors. They seem to have believed that all the best troll pwners would be in Minnesota and came out of the woodwork like roaches when the fogger goes off in the next room.

We are individuals. But if we choose to stand together, we won't be divided--and we won't fall.

[acptulsa]

Bump again ftw!

[Defining Obscene]

Unfortunately, some people here are not cointelpro (though there may be some here). Some people really believe some of the stuff they say, and I don't think they understand the severity of the situation and the problem with accepting the status quo to any degree. Theres a wing of the users here that accept that the government is still working for us, and theres a wing that has seen too much evidence to accept such a dark system, and the wings are made to fight eachother just like democrats and republicans, while NEITHER accomplishes their goals of freedom which they BOTH share. Its a replenishing source of division and ignorance over what Ron Paul would call "technicalities of a policy they both agree with", which is that there is something wrong with the government, the power structure, and the 2 party system. It doesn't matter if you believe the "terrorists" hit us on 9/11, it matters if you support an undying, unbiased search for the truth in any circumstance.


I don't think certain people on here share that desire, and demonstrate it with some of the things they say.

[Kludge]

Gee. Seems that one sure method of stirring up crap in a group would be to instigate paranoia and question loyalties every time personalities clash.

They're trolls anyways, right?

If the OP cannot positively identify the "psy-op trolls", then who is he to tell us what to look for?

[GunnyFreedom]

Post whatever you want, but I think that personal attacks should not be tolerated. I run a forum of 14k+ people and I do not allow personal attacks. Everyone can disagree without being disagreeable.

This anarchy that seems to have cropped up in the last few days here seems to be an organized attempt to undermine the forums. This is not a good situation.

I think a lot of innocent people are being caught in the crossfire too, so I advise everyone to bunker up and not take anything too personally. When it finally sorts out, things will be a lot clearer.

Legitimate questions have been, quite intentionally conflated with illegitimate attacks, in an attempt to divide. Sometimes that makes discernment very difficult. So let's be patient. :)

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Lincoln was president of a slave country and was more concerned with invading a sovereign neighbor to fix their problems than freeing the slaves in his own country. Exactly what is going on now. Lincoln presided over a terroristic pre-emptive war and implemented the draft causing the largest and deadliest race riots in our history in NEW YORK CITY because most Northerners knew there was no threat from the Confederacy to their land.

Members of this forum need to be united by a few simple truths like these...

The "Civil" War was not a civil war but an invasion by one slave country into another for financial reasons not unlike wars today.

The FED is evil, immoral, and has to be eliminated in favor of hard money.

Posters saying otherwise should be shown good reference material. If they insist on lying to argue otherwise and cannot produce anything resembling credible evidence they should be banned as they are too dumb to ever understand or they are trolls.

Still, Abraham Lincoln is the most beloved president ever. If you want to be popular with the American people, you don't belittle its greatest historical figure.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Yes, but could he achieve the same greatness (and the Presidency) in today's television / image conscious society?

The Nixon / Kennedy debate forever changed the way we choose our leaders, and not for the better. Not saying that Kennedy wasn't a fine President - he probably was, but it is just the influence that the proverbial cover has over the actual book hasn't really proven to be real progress.

But TV isn't going away, and the manipulations are only going to get worse.

With Abraham Lincoln, we are talking international figure. Kennedy, as we now know, couldn't keep the women from petting the hairy frog on his lap.

Gandhi really respected Abraham Lincoln. President Lincoln really pulled off one for the ages by saving the Union. Consider that Gandhi couldn't acheive the same feat with the divided Muslim and Hindu people of India. The whole idea of tribalism is that there is no point in which a nation can be divided where further divisions won't then manifest themselves. So, establishing a nation is always saving the Union in a sense.
But even Lincoln himself admitted that industrial and agricultural regions in a nation generally split up to become their own seperate nations. Italy is an acception similar to the United States.

[mlmvh]

Still, Abraham Lincoln is the most beloved president ever. If you want to be popular with the American people, you don't belittle its greatest historical figure.

That's YOUR opinion. Many people would beg to differ, such as Thomas DiLorenzo, author of The Real Lincoln: A New Look at Abraham Lincoln, His Agenda, and an Unnecessary War.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

That's YOUR opinion. Many people would beg to differ, such as Thomas DiLorenzo, author of The Real Lincoln: A New Look at Abraham Lincoln, His Agenda, and an Unnecessary War.

Go ahead and hate on Lincoln and see where it gets you. Who is Thomas DiLorenzo? I guess this fellow is greater than Lincoln? Good luck on convincing Americans of that. This is just absurd and beyond contempt. We need to quit reading if this is the outcome. For cripes sake.

[V-rod]

Speaking of DiLorenzo, did anyone catch his interview on C-Span Book Review 2-3 weeks ago?

He seems like a very level headed guy that does not like jumping to conclusions.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Speaking of DiLorenzo, did anyone catch his interview on C-Span Book Review 2-3 weeks ago?

He seems like a very level headed guy that does not like jumping to conclusions.

How can revisioning the history of Abraham Lincoln be considered level headed and not jumping to conclusions? You may as well go to China to ridicule Confucius & Buddha or go to India to speak negative about Gandhi.

If your conclusion is as follows: Abraham Lincoln was an idiot but, yes, he was ten times the man of DiLorenzo.
Well, I'll agree with this as will most Americans.

I just can't help but sense racism in this type of thinking. The South lost in the Civil War. The Loyalist colony of New York lost in the Revolutionary war as did other Loyalist states. The vast majority of us are losers. Get over it.

[V-rod]

How can revisioning the history of Abraham Lincoln be considered level headed and not jumping to conclusions? You may as well go to China to ridicule Confucius & Buddha or go to India to speak negative about Gandhi.

If your conclusion is as follows: Abraham Lincoln was an idiot but, yes, he was ten times the man of DiLorenzo.
Well, I'll agree with this as will most Americans.

I just can't help but sense racism in this type of thinking. The South lost in the Civil War. The Loyalist colony of New York lost in the Revolutionary war as did other Loyalist states. The vast majority of us are losers. Get over it.

Well, the point DiLorenzo was tryin to make is, he wanted to take a hard look at Abraham Lincoln the person, and not the symbol he is.
Some of DiLorenzo's analysis and conclusions were flawed and agenda-based, but he brought up points that the historical society is not willing to delve into.

The vast majority Southerners did not own slaves, or care about slaves in anyway, but they fought for their state and southern union. Tens of thousands of blacks enlisted in the Confederate Army, even though the North offered their people freedom. Same thing in the war against British rule, African descendants fought for the Colonies even when Britain offered their people freedom. They were fighting for their people, not for their government or the slave owners.
Claiming the Civil War was even partly to free the slaves in the beginning, is extreme revisionist history. If the slave states stayed in the union and ignored an emancipation proclamation years later, the federal government would be very slow to enforce that decree, and with little force, but eventually it would of happened with several years.

[constituent]

The vast majority Southerners did not own slaves, or care about slaves in anyway...

uhhhh no, most cared enormously about slaves.


who (in terms of labor) can compete with "free?"



can you?





they cared.

[revolutionman]

We're not civil rights activists or hippies, but we still threaten the status quo, and so we can learn many a lesson by examining the COINTELPRO that took place in the 60's.

Check out a movie called " Steal This Movie" and then also a book called "Steal This Book"

The movie is a biopic about a hippie organizer and protester named Abbot Hoffman, there is a lot of stuff in there about the kinda COINTELPRO that was used against him.

Steal This Book actually has nothing to do with COINTELPRO, but rather is a manual for living off papers. useful lessons never the less. Its a little outdated, but some methods are tried and true.

My point is that while the protesters of generations passed may have had differing ideologies, but they threatened the status quo all the same, we share a common enemy. So while you should ignore all the hippie crap they talk, you should definately listen and learn from their experiences clashing with the man.

[Hancock1776]

Unless there's actual evidence that agents actually do these things in forums, I'm inclined to believe that what we're seeing are not COINTELPRO techniques, but rather the product of how schizophrenic, frivolous and unfocused people become on the Internet.

RPFs look just like the forums everywhere else, even the ones that aren't about politics. Hyperventilation over non-issues, the overblowing of real issues, bitter fights over petty differences, the unfortunate creep down the page of good topics as other users re-post new ones to get on the front page... They happen elsewhere just as much as they do here.

I doubt anyone outside the movement cares a great deal about what happens on the forums. As long as you're indoors, on the Internet, posting on a forum, you pose no threat to the status quo.

[Truth Warrior]

Unless there's actual evidence that agents actually do these things in forums, I'm inclined to believe that what we're seeing are not COINTELPRO techniques, but rather the product of how schizophrenic, frivolous and unfocused people become on the Internet.

RPFs look just like the forums everywhere else, even the ones that aren't about politics. Hyperventilation over non-issues, the overblowing of real issues, bitter fights over petty differences, the unfortunate creep down the page of good topics as other users re-post new ones to get on the front page... They happen elsewhere just as much as they do here.

I doubt anyone outside the movement cares a great deal about what happens on the forums. As long as you're indoors, on the Internet, posting on a forum, you pose no threat to the status quo.

Interesting overview analysis.<IMHO> ;)

Thanks! :)

[american.swan]

bump :)

[revolutionman]

Unless there's actual evidence that agents actually do these things in forums, I'm inclined to believe that what we're seeing are not COINTELPRO techniques, but rather the product of how schizophrenic, frivolous and unfocused people become on the Internet.

RPFs look just like the forums everywhere else, even the ones that aren't about politics. Hyperventilation over non-issues, the overblowing of real issues, bitter fights over petty differences, the unfortunate creep down the page of good topics as other users re-post new ones to get on the front page... They happen elsewhere just as much as they do here.

I doubt anyone outside the movement cares a great deal about what happens on the forums. As long as you're indoors, on the Internet, posting on a forum, you pose no threat to the status quo.

COINTELPRO only works as long as the agitators are not identified. if there was evidence exposing it, it would never work. Further, this sort of COINTELPRO is not like what was used in the 60's. This COINTELPRO can be done from a desk in Quantico. they dont have to break into your house and bug you, or tail you, they just quietly monitor the forums, and act divisively in hopes that our ranks will never reach the levels of previous revolutionary movements.

there are only two options here

1. Assume COINTELPRO is being used against us and ignore and deflect

2. Wait for evidence and be blindly victimized by the FBI until they release documents 20 years after our destruction.

[Kludge]

The best way to ensure safety from COINTEL agents is to have everyone on your ignore list and then take them off ONLY if and when they are able to prove themselves not to be COINTEL agents.

I learned that from Theocrat.

*ZING*

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

The best way to ensure safety from COINTEL agents is to have everyone on your ignore list and then take them off ONLY if and when they are able to prove themselves not to be COINTEL agents.

I learned that from Theocrat.

*ZING*

If one ignores everyone but oneself, then the only one that one can speak with is oneself.

[acptulsa]

If one ignores everyone but oneself, then the only one that one can speak with is oneself.

=5

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

=5

Wait! Should I have written it this way: If one ignores everyone but oneself, then the only one who one can speak with is oneself. What about the rationality involved in my little thesis statement?

Major Premise: All people are put on ignore.
Minor Premise: Oneself is not on ignore.
Conclusion. All but oneself has been put on ignore.

So, how can one know when another is behaving properly?:confused: