Voting for Obama (hear me out)

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[UtahApocalypse]

I agree 100% Elect Obama and watch as America crashes. AT least now if we all stay together we will be the remnant to rebuild a once great nation.

[Grimnir Wotansvolk]

Voting for baldwin or barr will have the same effect, but still be a nod to principle, and also have the potential to bolster the viability of said third parties. Why not give them a shot instead?

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Yeah, please vote for Baldwin instead. Obama is going to win anyway.

[Orgoonian]

Please give yer vote to a third party

[CasualApathy]

NO!

And I didn't read your post.

[hopeforamerica]

I will not dance with the devil!

[Dequeant]

Yeah, please vote for Baldwin instead. Obama is going to win anyway.


I want McCain and the RNC to know that I (and other Ron Paul supporters) put the nail in the coffin BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY'VE DONE TO US.

I read someone else's suggestion and I'm seriously going to do it..........

"OBAMA 08 - BECAUSE AMERICA HAS BECOME AN OBAMANATION".

[ClayTrainor]

NO!

And I didn't read your post.

you missed a good one ;)

[Wyo_Lars]

I agree,

But along the same lines, a vote for a 3rd party will show the Republicans they can't control the debates and control our votes. Any vote but McCain!

[DAFTEK]

http://blogs.chron.com/txpotomac/mccain-obama-tuxes.jpg

[libertythor]

Sorry, but I will vote for Bob Barr, the lesser of 5 evils.

[texasbelle]

I want McCain and the RNC to know that I (and other Ron Paul supporters) put the nail in the coffin BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY'VE DONE TO US.[QUOTE]


This is a very good point.

[RonPaulVolunteer]

If it comes down to the wire, I'd vote Obama. But if he's going to win, I'd vote Baldwin.

[Dequeant]

This is a very good point.


McCain and the RNC has taken the easy route (as opposed to changing their platform) by assuming Ron Paul supporters will fracture and vote for either him or 3rd parties.

Personally, I love making assholes eat shit sandwiches, and I intend to serve one to the RNC.

[sandersondavis]

I will not be voting for Obama, no way in hell. My vote won't go to McCain either.

I'll probably vote Baldwin or Barr. Not sure which one yet.

I ran for Republican precinct committeeman in Florida. I ran unopposed so I am officially "in". I urge all of you to get involved someway, whether in the Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, or some other party. Bit do something other than complain.

[UtahApocalypse]

Hmmm...
http://politicalirony.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/4723_image.jpg

[aravoth]

I freaking hate Obama, i seriously consider him potential anti-christ material.

However, in case anyone here has been under a rock the last year or so........the republican party has done nothing but take a big steamy shit on the Ron Paul people every single time it had the chance.

Now that the "votes are counted" and the republican party has railroaded McCain as the nominee......and we even got to see the continuing outright hostility to the Ron Paul people by the RNC by stealing all our Nevada delegates, literally not even counting Ron Paul's votes out loud, and of course the issue with Ron Paul not being at the convention.

So after ALL THAT, at every single opportunity they had to twist the knife deeper in our backs, they did so....... I simply cannot understand how someone would still cast their vote for McCain.

The Democratic party has not wronged me so much as 1/1000th of the times the republican party has wronged me.

While i wish i could give the election to Bob Barr, my vote will not do that, nor even come close. It will remain some anonymous minority independant vote for an also-ran that I don't 100% support anyway.

On the other hand, my vote can be CRUCIAL to denying the republican party that has so thoroughly wronged me over the last year (not to mention last 8 years) the presidency.

So for the first time in my life, I'll be casting my vote for president with PASSION that most folks will never understand or comprehend.... I seriously hope that other Ron Paul supporters do the same. McCain has outright said he does not want our votes.........I say we make him regret that.

Disclaimer: Be aware that voting for Obama means we'll be losing most of our bill of rights, raising taxes, dramatically increasing spending, and pretty much everything else Ron Paul is against. However, after seeing this election close up, America is lost anyway.

Personally, I'm ready to get started on the real revolution whenever that kicks off.

lol.....what the fuck man.

[blocks]

If all of the new Ron Paul supporters and newly founded supporters for his principles and ideas voted Obama, might as well throw everything everyone worked so hard for the past 18 or so months down the drain.

[FrankRep]

Yeah, please vote for Baldwin instead. Obama is going to win anyway.

If voting was fair I think Obama will win.

Diebold will decide the election most likely

[Dorfsmith]

Noboma for me.

[Conza88]

If all of the new Ron Paul supporters and newly founded supporters for his principles and ideas voted Obama, might as well throw everything everyone worked so hard for the past 18 or so months down the drain.

QFT. Best 4th post I've ever seen. ;)

Vote for 3rd party.. DOESN'T MATTER WHICH ONE. If anything Libertarian Party. Barr won't win, he's a douche.. but think of them for the future.

[specsaregood]

I want McCain and the RNC to know that I (and other Ron Paul supporters) put the nail in the coffin BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY'VE DONE TO US.


If you vote for Obama you will just be another anonymous democrat voter. The salespeople in charge will think that even more people want Obama's message and increase the numbers of associates selling that socialist message.

If you vote 3rd party you are saying to those salespeople and potential salespeople that there is a potential niche to exploit, that you are not interested in purchasing the fascism or socialism they currently have on sale.

[jonathans]

If you vote for Obama you will just be another anonymous democrat voter. The salespeople in charge will think that even more people want Obama's message and increase the numbers of associates selling that socialist message.

If you vote 3rd party you are saying to those salespeople and potential salespeople that there is a potential niche to exploit, that you are not interested in purchasing the fascism or socialism they currently have on sale.

not only the salespeople, but the next elections buyers, send a signal to the sheep that the grass is greener elsewhere, and they won't be eating alone.

[PeacePlan]

If McCain wins all the leaders of the GOP will be rewarded as a job well done. If McCain and most of the House and Congress take a good ass kicking that leadership will be questioned and weakened.

I am voting for all Dems including Obama unless I have a choice to vote for a RP Republican..........

I want them to lose and lose bad - then I will go back and question that leadership and how they treated the RP people.

Bob Bar is not going to win period - Ron Paul knows that or he would have run as Libertarian himself.

Making the leadership look bad is what I want... and as I see it the only thing that will work.. If McCain wins they will all be gloating saying see what a great job we did with the way we dealt with the Ron Paul people!

I am voting Obama as a vote against my enemy the GOP because that is what they are my enemy. I know how I was treated as a state and district delegate. My aim is to hurt them with my vote....... They are not the Republican party they are enemies.........

[specsaregood]

If McCain wins all the leaders of the GOP will be rewarded as a job well done. If McCain and most of the House and Congress take a good ass kicking that leadership will be questioned and weakened.

I am voting for all Dems including Obama unless I have a choice to vote for a RP Republican..........

I want them to lose and lose bad - then I will go back and question that leadership and how they treated the RP people.

Bob Bar is not going to win period - Ron Paul knows that or he would have run as Libertarian himself.

Making the leadership look bad is what I want... and as I see it the only thing that will work.. If McCain wins they will all be gloating saying see what a great job we did with the way we dealt with the Ron Paul people!

I am voting Obama as a vote against my enemy the GOP because that is what they are my enemy. I know how I was treated as a state and district delegate. My aim is to hurt them with my vote....... They are not the Republican party they are enemies.........

There are two sides to it. By voting for Obama and the democrats you are also endorsing their views. You aren't just saying you don't like the republican platform, you are saying you like the democrat platform. Which means you will get even more of it.

I say, either vote your 3rd party protest vote or abstain. Unless you do actually support the democrat platform.

[PeacePlan]

There are two sides to it. By voting for Obama and the democrats you are also endorsing their views. You aren't just saying you don't like the republican platform, you are saying you like the democrat platform. Which means you will get even more of it.

I say, either vote your 3rd party protest vote or abstain. Unless you do actually support the democrat platform.

No I do not like the GOP or the Dems right now... Bob Bar has no chance and second he is not Ron Paul.

I want you to answer one question "What do you think will happen to our movement if McCain wins"?

[Dorfsmith]

No I do not like the GOP or the Dems right now... Bob Bar has no chance and second he is not Ron Paul.

I want you to answer one question "What do you think will happen to our movement if McCain wins"?

People will have four more years to get sick of his Bush like policies. And Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity will have nobody but their guy to blame all of our problems on. If Obama is elected he will be blamed for the economic collapse of 2009.

[specsaregood]

No I do not like the GOP or the Dems right now... Bob Bar has no chance and second he is not Ron Paul.

I want you to answer one question "What do you think will happen to our movement if McCain wins"?

I'd say it has an equal chance of dying out no matter whether Obama or McCain wins. I don't endorse either, so I can't vote for either one. I'd prefer to make sure my protest vote is counted instead of endorsing the democrat platform. I don' t like BBarr either but like you said he ain't gonna win so no worries.

[PeacePlan]

People will have four more years to get sick of his Bush like policies. And Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity will have nobody but their guy to blame all of our problems on. If Obama is elected he will be blamed for the economic collapse of 2009.


I can agree with that - but you said nothing about the leadership of the GOP and that is what I think is important. So I will ask again but put it differently.

What happens to the leadership of the GOP and us if McCain wins or if they get an ass kicking from the Dems.

[literatim]

You will be responsible for everything Obama does.

[PeacePlan]

You will be responsible for everything Obama does.

Well wasting your vote on Bar may help McCain win and hurts our movement IMO

I am going to bed enough of this for tonight.

[blocks]

QFT. Best 4th post I've ever seen. ;)

Vote for 3rd party.. DOESN'T MATTER WHICH ONE. If anything Libertarian Party. Barr won't win, he's a douche.. but think of them for the future.

Thanks, really I don't even care if its Barr. He may be an undercover neocon for all I care. Baldwin is not going to be on my California ballot apparently, so I will vote for Barr. I vote not for Barr, but for the principles and ideas he presents (regardless of how opportunistic and flip-floppy his presentation may be).

If my voting for Barr, helps McCain win...I don't care. If it helps Obama win...I don't care. Some of you need to review the first part of Ventura's speech at R4R the other day. You can not vote thinking about how your vote with sway the election between the two "different" parties. Like he said, just vote your heart and your conscious, and you haven't wasted your vote.

He is no Ron Paul by a long shot, but intelligent people should and will assume that a vote for Barr (or Baldwin) is a vote for Ron Paul because we all know that they wouldn't be running if Dr. Paul was in the race as an Independent.

[supaco0p05]

The Revolution has already begun! This man is a Traitor

[Knightskye]

Third party!

Win or lose, we did the right thing.

[PRON HAUL 2008]

I too am voting for Obama. After 8 years of Bush, the only way Obama can take this country is up.

I don't feel like giving Bush another four years and I most certainly don't feel like pissing away my vote on a third party candidate and watching Bush get elected again.

[countrykidz4freedom]

I understand your frustration, but please give it some serious thought, because you will not be able to live with your conscience afterward. We have something the Obama fans do not, it is knowledge, of what he is really about, thanks to Ron Paul. Once you know, you cannot just forget, so it will haunt you if you vote for someone you know will be a bad choice for the country. Please just vote your conscience, its way better.

[Roadrcr]

Vote for ANYONE BUT Mcwar or Obalama . The more 3rd party votes that are cast will only help the NEXT person who decides to run to take the 3rd party more serious. Can you not see this ? Obama or macain we lose anyhow. Lets show unity that we wont eat their force fed shit.

[PRON HAUL 2008]

I understand your frustration, but please give it some serious thought, because you will not be able to live with your conscience afterward. We have something the Obama fans do not, it is knowledge, of what he is really about, thanks to Ron Paul. Once you know, you cannot just forget, so it will haunt you if you vote for someone you know will be a bad choice for the country. Please just vote your conscience, its way better.

Every politician has bad things about them, even Ron Paul.

[Orgoonian]

The ObamaCONS have come out of hiding it seems :rolleyes:

[Zolah]

Voting for baldwin or barr will have the same effect, but still be a nod to principle, and also have the potential to bolster the viability of said third parties. Why not give them a shot instead?

That's how I feel too, I think Obama will win regardless so there's no point in lowering yourself to vote for him to prove any point, there are at least principled people to vote for in Barr and Baldwin.

[PRON HAUL 2008]

That's how I feel too, I think Obama will win regardless so there's no point in lowering yourself to vote for him to prove any point, there are at least principled people to vote for in Barr and Baldwin.

Surely you jest.

Bob Barr, principled? I don't know how he managed to swindle the Libertarian Party nomination but that guy will change his ideals whenever it is expedient to do so.

[Orgoonian]

Surely you jest.

Bob Barr, principled? I don't know how he managed to swindle the Libertarian Party nomination but that guy will change his ideals whenever it is expedient to do so.


Barr is twice the candidate McObama is even with his bad past voting record.
It makes no sense to not vote third party.

[Zolah]

Surely you jest.

Bob Barr, principled? I don't know how he managed to swindle the Libertarian Party nomination but that guy will change his ideals whenever it is expedient to do so.

Well you can say you voted for the LP in 08 for all it matters, I'll feel similar to 08 Obama voters as I do to 04 Bush voters I'm sure.

[Razmear]

I don't just want McCain to loose, I want him to loose worse than Mondale/Ferraro. I don't want McCain to get a single electoral college vote. I want the GOP to see that they have royally fucked up and that in 2010 they better start looking at Ron Paul Republicans if they ever want to restore the party.

To me the choice between McCain and Obama comes down to 4 more years of endless war or 4 years of someone trying to set up a socialist government.
It will take Obama more than 2 years to do what he plans. It will take McCain about a day to blow up the next country on his list.

McCain must loose, and loose big so I will do my part to make sure he does not take the state of South Carolina, and if that mean voting for the lesser of 2 evils instead of Baldwin, then that's what I'll be doing.

btw, the last 3 elections I voted Badnarik, Browne, Browne, but this time we must ensure that McCain not only looses but suffers an embarrassing defeat.

eb

[DAFTEK]

If it comes down to the wire, I'd vote Obama. But if he's going to win, I'd vote Baldwin.

Obama=McCain thats like saying ummm i would vote for McCain but.... :rolleyes:

[DAFTEK]

I too am voting for Obama. After 8 years of Bush, the only way Obama can take this country is up.

I don't feel like giving Bush another four years and I most certainly don't feel like pissing away my vote on a third party candidate and watching Bush get elected again.

You cant be serious? then again 4 posts pro Obama, please get the fuck of our forum!!!

When i told ya people we have so many pro Hussein NoBama on RPF you thought i was nuts for even considering Palin as a good sign, well I'm voting McCain, there you like that? :rolleyes: Idiots.....

A vote for Hustein is a vote for McPain!!!! It's all the same, write in, third party or stay home and get drunk! :mad:

[eric_cartman]

when people ask me who I would vote for (I'm Canadian, so i can't vote, but us Canadians still talk about US politics, probably more so than we talk about Canadian politics)... i always answer either, Barr, Baldwin, or write in Ron Paul.

So then they say, "if you had to choose between Obama and McCain"

then i answer: I would vote for Obama because no matter who is in office, the economic collapse will happen anyways, and that is really all that's going to matter. And if McCain is elected, all these damn left wing socialists (pretty much everyone in Canada), will blame the economic collapse on the Republicans and whine about "if only Obama won, we could have stopped this". So i want Obama to get elected, so that when the collapse really accelerates, they'll see that Obama wasn't some savior and that he's no different from the rest of the political machine that everyone thinks they're fighting against. Also, the policies that Obama will institute to try to prevent the economic collapse will only make the situation worse, and therefore we're likely to hit rock bottom much sooner with Obama's policies, so that by 2012, we can elect a Ron Paul candidate and set the country back in the right direction for the rebuild.

If Canadians were given the choice about who they would vote for (i'm sure this goes for Europe and most of the rest of the world as well)... it would be a landslide for Obama. Ron Paul is right that our school system is brainwashing us to love socialism and world government... and it's sad how few people understand what Ron Paul is talking about. But i was actually pleasantly surprised to see how many Americans supported ron paul. Before, i always thought, well... those Americans are going to get what they deserve. They're too stupid to ever figure out what's going on... but now that i see that there are millions of Ron Paul Americans who haven't been put to sleep and are willing to fight for their country, that made me a lot less cynical. I didn't think the United States had a chance, i thought they were going down for the count... but with this Ron Paul revolution, there's a chance to save your country and restore it to its former glory.

[Carole]

I freaking hate Obama, i seriously consider him potential anti-christ material.

However, in case anyone here has been under a rock the last year or so........the republican party has done nothing but take a big steamy shit on the Ron Paul people every single time it had the chance.

Now that the "votes are counted" and the republican party has railroaded McCain as the nominee......and we even got to see the continuing outright hostility to the Ron Paul people by the RNC by stealing all our Nevada delegates, literally not even counting Ron Paul's votes out loud, and of course the issue with Ron Paul not being at the convention.

So after ALL THAT, at every single opportunity they had to twist the knife deeper in our backs, they did so....... I simply cannot understand how someone would still cast their vote for McCain.

The Democratic party has not wronged me so much as 1/1000th of the times the republican party has wronged me.

While i wish i could give the election to Bob Barr, my vote will not do that, nor even come close. It will remain some anonymous minority independant vote for an also-ran that I don't 100% support anyway.

On the other hand, my vote can be CRUCIAL to denying the republican party that has so thoroughly wronged me over the last year (not to mention last 8 years) the presidency.

So for the first time in my life, I'll be casting my vote for president with PASSION that most folks will never understand or comprehend.... I seriously hope that other Ron Paul supporters do the same. McCain has outright said he does not want our votes.........I say we make him regret that.

Disclaimer: Be aware that voting for Obama means we'll be losing most of our bill of rights, raising taxes, dramatically increasing spending, and pretty much everything else Ron Paul is against. However, after seeing this election close up, America is lost anyway.

Personally, I'm ready to get started on the real revolution whenever that kicks off.
I can see a person voting for Dems over Repubs which is really two votes. (Or vice-versa for your own specific reasons). One vote McInSane does not get and one vote that Oblahma does get. So anytime one votes for or against the two main parties, it really is TWO votes.

However, it does not get across the accurate message that we are unhappy with both our choices; it gives the winning party a pseudo-mandate or at least a false impression that they have the people united behind them.

On the other hand, voting for a third party takes one vote from each party and sends the message to both Dems and Repubs that we are not happy, but hurts nor helps neither of the main parties as much as the first choice, but sends the message to both Dems and Repubs that they do NOT have our support.

So I am just saying, think it over, do the math, and consider which route's outcome means the most to you.

It is true that the Repubs need a strong lesson, but it is also true that Dems should not be misled into more of their fantasies that they have more true support than they actually do. That is a dangerous thing I think.

I want both parties to suffer for their policies. In addition to your vote, I highly recommend that every vote cast to send a message, be accompanied by a letter to one or both parties explaining exactly that and why they did not get your vote. It would say so much more than manipulated poll results do.

Just some thoughts. I am very angry, too, but these are some of the considerations I have.
:)

[Razmear]

Cartman,
Who knows, by 2012 Canadians and Mexicans might have equal voting rights with Americans in electing the NAU President.

eb

[Carole]

when people ask me who I would vote for (I'm Canadian, so i can't vote, but us Canadians still talk about US politics, probably more so than we talk about Canadian politics)... i always answer either, Barr, Baldwin, or write in Ron Paul.

So then they say, "if you had to choose between Obama and McCain"

then i answer: I would vote for Obama because no matter who is in office, the economic collapse will happen anyways, and that is really all that's going to matter. And if McCain is elected, all these damn left wing socialists (pretty much everyone in Canada), will blame the economic collapse on the Republicans and whine about "if only Obama won, we could have stopped this". So i want Obama to get elected, so that when the collapse really accelerates, they'll see that Obama wasn't some savior and that he's no different from the rest of the political machine that everyone thinks they're fighting against. Also, the policies that Obama will institute to try to prevent the economic collapse will only make the situation worse, and therefore we're likely to hit rock bottom much sooner with Obama's policies, so that by 2012, we can elect a Ron Paul candidate and set the country back in the right direction for the rebuild.

If Canadians were given the choice about who they would vote for (i'm sure this goes for Europe and most of the rest of the world as well)... it would be a landslide for Obama. Ron Paul is right that our school system is brainwashing us to love socialism and world government... and it's sad how few people understand what Ron Paul is talking about. But i was actually pleasantly surprised to see how many Americans supported ron paul. Before, i always thought, well... those Americans are going to get what they deserve. They're too stupid to ever figure out what's going on... but now that i see that there are millions of Ron Paul Americans who haven't been put to sleep and are willing to fight for their country, that made me a lot less cynical. I didn't think the United States had a chance, i thought they were going down for the count... but with this Ron Paul revolution, there's a chance to save your country and restore it to its former glory.
Some excellent points. :)

Frankly, I want both Dems and Repubs to share the blame for the collapse as they both deserve to do. It is true Obama will likely bring collapse faster. It is also true for me, that I cannot afford directly all the higher taxes I will have on my limited income. At least with just higher costs and inflation, I have a small choice in simply not spending any money I must not spend. With Obama, I will have higher costs, inflation, AND higher taxes which would destroy me faster.

So it IS a difficult choice between these two, but I probably will go third party or write in RP and send my letters to both parties as to why they did not get my vote, NOT that they give a damn. The only votes that matter are the few that do not cancel one another out and that are controlled by the PTB.

Therefore, I think I prefer the third party or write-in for those reasons in addition to my philosophy which is so similar to that of Dr. Paul.

[Andrew-Austin]

Voting for Barr is also voting against McCain.. So what if he can't win, hes the best candidate.

[Carole]

Excellent point! :)

[Carole]

:D:D:D So true and they are more likely to be Democrat socialists! I say that because the Mexicans come here and get immediate benefits and I think Canada is already a socialist nation. Please correct me kindly if I am wrong. :)

[qh4dotcom]

I want McCain and the RNC to know that I (and other Ron Paul supporters) put the nail in the coffin BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY'VE DONE TO US.

I read someone else's suggestion and I'm seriously going to do it..........

"OBAMA 08 - BECAUSE AMERICA HAS BECOME AN OBAMANATION".

You could have a valid argument IF and that's a very big IF your vote would decide the election...but your vote is not going to be a tiebreaker vote that hands the election to Obama...all that you're doing is helping increase Obama's election day totals by one vote.

Look I know that 3rd parties don't have a chance but they need our votes regardless...I am donating my vote to the charity of freedom...if the Libertarian or Constitution party get 2% of the popular vote it will grant them automatic ballot access for the next election in several states and save them $250,000. Why wouldn't I help the charity of freedom?

[DAFTEK]

You could have a valid argument IF and that's a very big IF your vote would decide the election...but your vote is not going to be a tiebreaker vote that hands the election to Obama...all that you're doing is helping increase Obama's election day totals by one vote.

Look I know that 3rd parties don't have a chance but they need our votes regardless...I am donating my vote to the charity of freedom...if the Libertarian or Constitution party get 2% of the popular vote it will grant them automatic ballot access for the next election in several states and save them $250,000. Why wouldn't I help the charity of freedom?

+2008 CAN WE GET THIS AS A STICKY? Great post! :cool:

[JAlli41]

I really have begun to turn around on this issue and while I am voting for Barr, I've started to quietly hope that Obama actually does win. The one thing that I know absolutely does not work in tax and spend central planning, so while the dems have control of congress and the white house the republicans can start to look for new leadership. But the greater point is that if anything is going to happen in 2012 we've got a hell of a lot of work to do educating people and working to make small changes in local and state governments which will hopefully lead the groundworks of a fill in the blank liberty candidate in 2012 (I would love to work for a Gov. Gary Johnson campaign in 2011, Ventura turns me off a bit because he seems to have an egotistical streak in him). We've gotta win hearts and minds on meat and potato liberty issues like the UN and foreign intervention in general, taxes, personal responsibility and the war on drugs, especially if we're gearing up for a Johnson run. Someone else mentioned this, but if this movement is ever to get huge and electable it will be in the form of a Pat Buchanan-like conservatism because as more people get a hold of the message it will tend to get more moderate. I guess my point is it only delays the process to have 4 years of McCain, because then you may have to talk about having 8 years of McCain, or 4 years of McCain and 4-8 years of a Sarah Palin, and who knows where her head will be in 4 years.

[fedup100]

Voting third party will do nothing but take away a possible 30% of the total votes for either one of the McSame's, leaving the outcome a toss up for one or the other. I for one do not want that sack of crap McCain to be president. I will vote O and hold my nose. This is war now and we have to make logistic decisions.

[qh4dotcom]

bump

[DAFTEK]

lol :D Where's that RP member with the Hussein clan in his signature? He needs to update that signature, ha,ha!

[Highland]

well if we vote for Obama, It will not send a signal to the GOP that they could have had our vote for the GOP if they had not screwed with the nomination and cinched it up when we were still deciding. I can't stand MCAIN, but if we vote Obama, I do agree that it will not send any messages like happed with the Perot campaign.

[ShowMeLiberty]

You could have a valid argument IF and that's a very big IF your vote would decide the election...but your vote is not going to be a tiebreaker vote that hands the election to Obama...all that you're doing is helping increase Obama's election day totals by one vote.

Look I know that 3rd parties don't have a chance but they need our votes regardless...I am donating my vote to the charity of freedom...if the Libertarian or Constitution party get 2% of the popular vote it will grant them automatic ballot access for the next election in several states and save them $250,000. Why wouldn't I help the charity of freedom?

^ This.


Ron Paul said he will most likely vote 3rd party and so will I. Let the sheep fight it out over McBama. I will know that my vote helped level the playing field a little bit for the next time.

[ClayTrainor]

While i would enjoy watching mccain lose... voting is useless now.

NWO has already won this election, dont even worry about who you vote for... start working at the 2010 elections

[DAFTEK]

http://getfreakinreal.com/files/u1/sheep_clothing.jpg

[DAFTEK]

I know most of you have family who are pro Obama or McCain so here is an email got from one of my friends :rolleyes:



If Osama is elected, it may be the end of the American way of life. We just have to drill for oil and become independent of our Middle Eastern oil dependence. Between Russia, China, and the oil rich Arabs, they are buying too much of American. Now, with our low dollar, they can afford to own America. I recently heard that Russia bought Getty Oil. Arabs are in Canada too, buying,, buying with all the dollars WE are sending to them to pay for oil. We should develop our own resources!!! This is a very scary time, and Osama and the Liberals are absolutely part of the downing of America. Tax, and more taxes!!!

Our CPA friend says they will ask you how much you make. Then they will tell you to send it in!!!!!

INTERESTING DATA JUST RECEIVED ON TAXES
Spread the word.....
This is something you should be
aware of so you don't get blind-sided.
This is really going to catch a lot
of families off guard. It should
make you worry.
Proposed changes in taxes after 2008 General election:

CAPITAL GAINS TAX
MCCAIN
0% on home sales up to $500,000
per home (couples) McCain does not
propose any change in existing
home sales income tax.
OBAMA
28% on profit from ALL home sales
How does this affect you?
If you sell your home and make a profit, you
will pay 28% of your gain on taxes.
If you are heading toward retirement
and would like to down-size your
home or move into a retirement
community, 28% of the money you
make from your home will go to taxes. This
proposal will adversely affect the
elderly who are counting on the income
from their homes as part of their retirement income.
DIVIDEND TAX
MCCAIN 15% (no change)
OBAMA 39.6%
How will this affect you?
If you have any money invested in stock
market, IRA, mutual funds,
college funds, life insurance, retirement
accounts, or anything that pays
or reinvests dividends, you will now
be paying nearly 40% of the money
earned on taxes if Obama become president.
The experts predict that 'higher
tax rates on dividends and capital gains
would crash the stock market yet
do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.
INCOME TAX
MCCAIN (no changes)
Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $31,250
OBAMA
(reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $38,750

Under Obama your taxes will
more than double!
How does this affect you? No explanation
needed. This is pretty
straight forward.
INHERITANCE TAX
MCCAIN 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)
OBAMA Restore the inheritance tax
How does this affect you? Many families
have lost businesses,
farms and ranches, and homes
that have
been in their families
for generations because they could not
afford the inheritance tax.
Those willing their assets to loved
ones will not only lose them to
these taxes.
NEW TAXES BEING PROPOSED BY OBAMA
* New government taxes proposed on
homes that are more than
2400 square feet
* New gasoline taxes (as if
gas weren't high enough already)
* New taxes on natural resources
consumption (heating
gas, water, electricity)
* New taxes on retirement accounts
and last but not least....
* New taxes to pay for socialized medicine
so we can receive the same
level of medical care as other
third-world countries!!!

[BarryDonegan]

anyone who votes for mccain or obama with theiir current platform missed the message of r4r.

voting obama is an ineffective protest vote as the MSM will spin it that liberalism is popular.

the only way to showthat mccain is shedding votes is to vote for barr, as the msm has already decided that it will concede votes tabulated to Barr as"lost from mccain"

if the percentage of votes going to mccain + the percentage of votes going to barr > obama, butthe percentage of votes going to mccain are < obama,then the republican party will know what time it is.

we know how these metrics work, a voteforobama approves his platform, makes the DP more popular in other elections, and serves to marginalize parties with candidates we would actually like.

[DAFTEK]

^ I would agree but allot of people including myself worry about these taxes, can you blame people for that? It truly does come down to own worries and most worry about Obama's crazy tax hikes, I cant believe people don't actually see how much more fuked we will be with Obama vs. McCain just to go against McCain "just because"... :rolleyes:

[qh4dotcom]

bump

[PRON HAUL 2008]

I know most of you have family who are pro Obama or McCain so here is an email got from one of my friends :rolleyes:



HEH HEH HELL YEAH

Nothin' like trottin' out such an important, reliable news source such as a smear e-mail to make your points.

You win the argument sir!

[LibertyRevolution]

I will be voting for Obama.
The Republican party needs to get crushed, so they wake up.
The LP is the party I voted for the last 2 elections, but I am pissed at their choice this year.
I will not support the LP if they are going to be taken over by Neocons.
So my vote for Obama is against both. Sucks I know, but I will still be voting for the LP/IND locally.

[Sematary]

I freaking hate Obama, i seriously consider him potential anti-christ material.

However, in case anyone here has been under a rock the last year or so........the republican party has done nothing but take a big steamy shit on the Ron Paul people every single time it had the chance.

Now that the "votes are counted" and the republican party has railroaded McCain as the nominee......and we even got to see the continuing outright hostility to the Ron Paul people by the RNC by stealing all our Nevada delegates, literally not even counting Ron Paul's votes out loud, and of course the issue with Ron Paul not being at the convention.

So after ALL THAT, at every single opportunity they had to twist the knife deeper in our backs, they did so....... I simply cannot understand how someone would still cast their vote for McCain.

The Democratic party has not wronged me so much as 1/1000th of the times the republican party has wronged me.

While i wish i could give the election to Bob Barr, my vote will not do that, nor even come close. It will remain some anonymous minority independant vote for an also-ran that I don't 100% support anyway.

On the other hand, my vote can be CRUCIAL to denying the republican party that has so thoroughly wronged me over the last year (not to mention last 8 years) the presidency.

So for the first time in my life, I'll be casting my vote for president with PASSION that most folks will never understand or comprehend.... I seriously hope that other Ron Paul supporters do the same. McCain has outright said he does not want our votes.........I say we make him regret that.

Disclaimer: Be aware that voting for Obama means we'll be losing most of our bill of rights, raising taxes, dramatically increasing spending, and pretty much everything else Ron Paul is against. However, after seeing this election close up, America is lost anyway.

Personally, I'm ready to get started on the real revolution whenever that kicks off.

Obama can seriously kiss my ass. I'll be writing in Ron Paul.

[DAFTEK]

Obama can seriously kiss my ass. I'll be writing in Ron Paul.
+1 Bump....

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Yeah, please vote for Baldwin instead. Obama is going to win anyway.

Protectionist Baldwin? No thanks

[phree]

Electing Obama is the best way to further weaken the GOP. It's also the best way to crush the Obama myth. He will break his promises, embarrass his devoted followers, and he'll be in charge for one of the most difficult periods in our history. He will fail.

Obama currently has many new young voters who are very similar to many of RP's supporters. When Obama fails to deliver on his promises these new voters will know that they've been tricked and they will seek out a true vehicle of change, The Revolution.

I've believed for many weeks that McCain will win and now that Palin is on the ticket it's almost a sure thing. Don't underestimate the power of racism in this country. People who haven't voted in 60 years will drag themselves to the polls to vote against Obama. If only they understood that the best way to hurt Obama is to elect him.

My Obama thread: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=153458

[Thrashertm]

Will never vote for Obama or McCain. Never.

I am voting 3rd party - probably for Barr, to support the Libertarian party.

[qh4dotcom]

I made the mistake of feeding the Obama troll....don't make that mistake....just say you're not voting for Obama, period....instead of wasting your time getting into an argument you can't win.

[phree]

I made the mistake of feeding the Obama troll....don't make that mistake....just say you're not voting for Obama, period....instead of wasting your time getting into an argument you can't win.

You made the mistake of using your gut to make a decision best made by your head.