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V4Vendetta
09-02-2008, 10:53 PM
I never saw him again after he introduced Adam, i think it was.
He must have gotten chewed out for mixing up the authors of "Who killed the Constitution" Thomas Woods with the other guy.

(Edit)
Well It turns out that he left after Jesse Ventura brought up 9/11. Which Is really what I was thinking.

Thanks kern802
http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0908/Too_Much_for_Tucker.html

I remember what he said about people who believed the government was behind 9/11. Made me want to wrap my hands around his neck, and squeeze.

Oh well, Screw Tucker Carleson. He and his Child will suffer for his ignorance.

RSLudlum
09-02-2008, 11:00 PM
Other engagements?? Doesn't he still occasionally appear on MSNBC for commentary??

JoshLowry
09-02-2008, 11:04 PM
I imagine other engagements. He wouldn't be chewed out for a simple mistake.

hillertexas
09-02-2008, 11:06 PM
He looked like he wasn't feeling well to me (flushed/sweating)...maybe he got sick.

PlzPeopleWakeUp
09-02-2008, 11:09 PM
nt

specsaregood
09-02-2008, 11:11 PM
He looked like he wasn't feeling well to me (flushed/sweating)...maybe he got sick.

Maybe he ate the proffered brownies this time.

Truth Warrior
09-02-2008, 11:16 PM
Maybe his shift ended or perhaps his voice gave out. Who knows? Just getting pissed off and leaving doesn't sound like Tucker to me.

kern802
09-02-2008, 11:24 PM
According to Politico, Tucker left after Jesse Ventura's 911 comments:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0908/Too_Much_for_Tucker.html

Truth Warrior
09-02-2008, 11:29 PM
According to Politico, Tucker left after Jesse Ventura's 911 comments:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0908/Too_Much_for_Tucker.html I'm reasonably skeptical about that. If it's true, it seems pretty childish and petulant to me. ;)

jonathans
09-02-2008, 11:30 PM
i wouldn't have brought it up either, wish he didn't, but kind of a girl thing to do.
where's tucker..
r-u-n-n-o-f-t

BenIsForRon
09-02-2008, 11:33 PM
wrong thread my bad

Flash
09-02-2008, 11:33 PM
According to Politico, Tucker left after Jesse Ventura's 911 comments:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0908/Too_Much_for_Tucker.html

I could've sworn tucker left before ventura.

RSLudlum
09-02-2008, 11:33 PM
Ventura questioned why, if bin Laden was the culprit, he had yet to be indicted, as he had been for other attacks. Carlson confirmed that he left in response to Ventura's comments, saying it was "too much."

"Too much" what?? Ventura weilded too much liberty for Tucker?? I don't think Ventura's questions were that bad, although it did incited a few yelling "911 was an inside job". I'm not an inside job believer but the issues Ventura posed are relevant, and should be discussed. Maybe Tucker is looking after his livelyhood at MSNBC, and doesn't want the stigma of being associated with the Truther movement at this point in his current employment which might be hanging by a string (his show was cancelled earlier this year).

Liberty Rebellion
09-02-2008, 11:41 PM
So much for his asking people to listen to the speakers even if they didn't agree with them :rolleyes:

Practice what Tucker preaches, not what he does.

Flash
09-02-2008, 11:48 PM
If this story is true then the Liberty movement is waaay too sensitive. Or atleast certain Libertarians like Tucker are. People really need to grow a spine. I'm not a 9/11 Truther but everyone KNEW Ventura would question 9/11. Alex Jones flat out believes 9/11 was an inside job and RP still goes on his show.

Kilrain
09-02-2008, 11:51 PM
To be honest, I did a slight facepalm in front of my screen when Ventura brought up 911. I'm on the fence regarding the issue and have no problems with it being investigated further, but you gotta pick your battles and I just don't think it was the right time or place to bring that stuff up. But to each his own, I guess. I wouldn't have left because of it, but it wouldn't exactly make me cheer beacuse it just wasn't a good tactic to bring up 911 in that way at the rally IMHO.

muh_roads
09-02-2008, 11:51 PM
Ventura was the last person Tucker introduced. Yes my thoughts were exactly the same, that he left because Ventura wanted to add a little talk about 9/11 at the end.

Lovecraftian4Paul
09-02-2008, 11:51 PM
Yeah, I'm not impressed. This just makes Tucker look like a hypocrite, and confirms Ventura's point about being subject to a media Jihad should you dare question 9/11's official story.

Flash
09-02-2008, 11:54 PM
Its not like we even need Tucker Carlson anyways. The guy doesn't even have a TV show anymore and even his old MSNBC show had extremely low ratings. I thought RP campaign was honestly tossing him a bone. Why do we have to listen to his demands? Its about Ron Paul and he wanted Ventura on.

jonathans
09-02-2008, 11:57 PM
Carlson could have glossed over it. It's not HIS opinion. Oh well, when the goin' gets tuff, Tucker gets goin'

PlzPeopleWakeUp
09-02-2008, 11:59 PM
nt

muh_roads
09-03-2008, 12:16 AM
Yeah he didn't dwell on 9-11. He only brought up facts we know so far. That the FBI has Osama listed for other attacks, but not 9/11. And when the FBI was asked why Osama isn't listed, they said "not enough evidence to link him to it".

That is fact and that is really all he mentioned. He didn't go into "bombs", or falling at the speed of gravity, or Pentagon hole too small, or hollow core, or anything.

It really wasn't much at all concerning 9-11 truth. Any truthers that were there hoping he'd talk all about it I'm sure were very disappointed.

LibertyEagle
09-03-2008, 12:18 AM
Yeah, but apparently that didn't stop some from unleashing the "9/11 is an inside job" chant. :rolleyes:

muh_roads
09-03-2008, 12:31 AM
Yeah, but apparently that didn't stop some from unleashing the "9/11 is an inside job" chant. :rolleyes:

I think that means they want more... :rolleyes:

I really didn't hear much about that chant, it certainly wasn't a unified chant, it was garbled and distant...at least from where I was sitting.

fj45lvr
09-03-2008, 12:35 AM
Yeah, but apparently that didn't stop some from unleashing the "9/11 is an inside job" chant. :rolleyes:


nauseating.....

I don't get it....there is already plenty of REAL things IN PLAIN SIGHT to fight about without rallying around mere allegations that these people have NO IDEA about.

mport1
09-03-2008, 12:45 AM
More people turned off by 9/11 "truth", great...

V4Vendetta
09-03-2008, 12:46 AM
According to Politico, Tucker left after Jesse Ventura's 911 comments:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0908/Too_Much_for_Tucker.html

That's exactly what I was thinking, either it was that or the mix up about books. But I was leaning more towards Jesse and 9/11. I remember what he said about people who believed the government was behind 9/11. Made me want to wrap my hands around his neck, and squeeze.

Oh well, Screw Tucker Carleson. He and his Child will suffer for his ignorance.

Drknows
09-03-2008, 12:47 AM
To be honest, I did a slight facepalm in front of my screen when Ventura brought up 911. I'm on the fence regarding the issue and have no problems with it being investigated further, but you gotta pick your battles and I just don't think it was the right time or place to bring that stuff up. But to each his own, I guess. I wouldn't have left because of it, but it wouldn't exactly make me cheer beacuse it just wasn't a good tactic to bring up 911 in that way at the rally IMHO.

I agree with everything you said.

His speech was amazing but that one part of it i said Oh no here we go again.

Orgoonian
09-03-2008, 12:52 AM
Freedom,and liberty really is a new concept to a lot of people,and it is unreasonable to assume they will jump all the way in right away.I believe a lot of people need to gradually adjust.

Take the reformation for example.A great man(to me)Martin Luther challenged the church of Rome,and splintered into his own church.Now he only took a baby step againsed(sp?) the mother church doctrine,but it was a step,and that was as far as he was willing to go.Because of him,other great men,took bigger,and bigger steps towards religious freedom,and thus the birth of the reformation.

Tucker has usually been in our corner,and maybe,he has gone as far as he can for the time being.
Maybe we should practice what we preach,and live,and let live.If people want to believe that 9/11 was a conspiracy,or not,then so what?Frankly,i find some of their arguments fascinating,and i am grateful for their support of Dr.Paul.

BLuegreengrey
09-03-2008, 01:19 AM
I enjoyed the diversity of speakers.

ronpaulitician
09-03-2008, 01:31 AM
Ventura stated facts, right?

And they're the kind of facts that we should want our government to explain, whether we believe that government is incompetent or malicious.

gls
09-03-2008, 06:32 AM
Poor Tucker couldn't handle a couple of legitimate questions. What a baby. I hope he wasn't paid in full for his brief appearance but he probably was.

ruggedindividualist
09-03-2008, 06:45 AM
I wondered what happened to Tucker. The guy is an ass and unprofessional to boot. If that's all the deeper his free speech beliefs go then good riddance. He's a Trojan horse anyway. He was probably planning to leave in a huff to try to discredit something someone said all along and get himself a little publicity. I can't believe the organizers trusted him to emcee anyway. We should be glad he didn't decide to bring his hooker and pimp pals for photo-ops with Dr. Paul. Nothing against hookers so much (I guess in Tuckers case they are kindred souls...but there I go again, insulting hookers, sorry!) but he was trying to embarrass Dr Paul and the campaign with that stunt and gain favor with the Powers that Be.

Truth Warrior
09-03-2008, 06:50 AM
Particularly appalling and curious after Tucker's opening "rock em, sock em" address. Now, I'm really kinda wondering who really wrote Tucker's speech. Geez, if he's really that thin skinned, he wouldn't last even 5 minutes on the RPF. :D

Something is not adding up here, folks.<IMHO>

FrankRep
09-03-2008, 06:54 AM
I'm still angry at Tucker for bringing those hookers to talk to Ron Paul.

Remember that?

Tucker is a dork.

LibertyEagle
09-03-2008, 06:57 AM
I wondered what happened to Tucker. The guy is an ass and unprofessional to boot. If that's all the deeper his free speech beliefs go then good riddance.

A lot of people are going to close their ears to us on some's belief that our government carried out 9-11. That's just reality. It's not like no one has mentioned this before, right? So, it shouldn't come as a shock. The interesting thing about it, is that Ron Paul doesn't believe this view either. So if we're supporting C4L, it shouldn't be an issue.

JosephTheLibertarian
09-03-2008, 07:00 AM
I never saw him again after he introduced Adam, i think it was.
He must have gotten chewed out for mixing up the authors of "Who killed the Constitution" Thomas Woods with the other guy.

(Edit)
Well It turns out that he left after Jesse Ventura brought up 9/11. Which Is really what I was thinking.

Thanks kern802
http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0908/Too_Much_for_Tucker.html

I remember what he said about people who believed the government was behind 9/11. Made me want to wrap my hands around his neck, and squeeze.

Oh well, Screw Tucker Carleson. He and his Child will suffer for his ignorance.

maybe he didn't want to put his career on the line?

Truth Warrior
09-03-2008, 07:03 AM
I'm still angry at Tucker for bringing those hookers to talk to Ron Paul.

Remember that?

Tucker is a dork. Yeah, that one pissed me off too. ;) Curious emcee choice after that unhelpful episode.<IMHO> Hmm?

Truth Warrior
09-03-2008, 07:09 AM
A lot of people are going to close their ears to us on some's belief that our government carried out 9-11. That's just reality. It's not like no one has mentioned this before, right? So, it shouldn't come as a shock. The interesting thing about it, is that Ron Paul doesn't believe this view either. So if we're supporting C4L, it shouldn't be an issue. Then WHY even invite Jesse to speak at the rally? His views on 9/11 are widely known. :confused:

ruggedindividualist
09-03-2008, 07:09 AM
A lot of people are going to close their ears to us on some's belief that our government carried out 9-11. That's just reality. It's not like no one has mentioned this before, right? So, it shouldn't come as a shock. The interesting thing about it, is that Ron Paul doesn't believe this view either. So if we're supporting C4L, it shouldn't be an issue.

No. it shouldn't be an issue. Ventura did good. He made some valid points and left it at that. 9-11 does need investigation and the more people say it outright the harder it will be to marginalize anyone. Most folks polled DO agree it merits more investigation, it is the MSM and the establishment who tries to marginalize anyone who dares speak that and paint them as crazies....and that was Venturas point. Ron Paul is trying to work for freedom within the establishment, there are some things he can do and some things he cannot.

gls
09-03-2008, 07:13 AM
Yeah, that one pissed me off too. ;) Curious emcee choice after that unhelpful episode.<IMHO> Hmm?

http://i36.tinypic.com/2r5q62u.png

Yeah, who could've thought that the MSM would run away with this "story" in an effort to smear Paul's image among conservative GOP primary voters, even to the point where the AP was running articles about the incident 6 months after the fact? Certainly not naive little Tucker. He's just a Ron Paul supporter who doesn't understand how the corporate media works.

pacelli
09-03-2008, 07:14 AM
He looked like he wasn't feeling well to me (flushed/sweating)...maybe he got sick.

Yeah, and his smug jokes about each of the speakers weren't coming off well either. Lew Rockwell "the bearded one"?

New York For Paul
09-03-2008, 07:15 AM
I wasn't even paying much attention to Tucker Carlson until this thread. With friends like Tucker Carlson, who needs enemies. Tucker probably cost Ron Paul 10 percentage points in various republican primaries around the country with his "lets bring the pimp and prostitutes to a Ron Paul rally" and get national news.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21973236/

Now I have to question the CFL for their judgement. With all the great Ron Paul supporters and speakers available, why would the CFL go back to Tucker?

I have heard much more amazing eloquent MCs such as Ernie Hancock, and others who would have done a much better job.

Maybe the CFL needs to rethink this. Think twice about Tucker Carlson. Amazingly, most campaigns employ dirty tricks specialists and try to set up candidates with prostitutes and pimps. Tucker Carlson gives them a ride to Ron Paul events and parades them before the media in the middle of the Republican primaries where the southern conservative voters decide much of everything.

Considering the Republican party is made up of conservative voters, you don't antagonize the base you are trying to win by throwing in their face the prostitution issue.

While Nevada has legal prostitution, the Republicans don't bring the whole gang to the RNC convention for the national media to make an issue out of it. Even Reagan's best friend, Senator Paul Laxalt of Nevada and all the other Nevada Republicans don't highlight this issue at the national level.

Maltheus
09-03-2008, 07:42 AM
maybe he didn't want to put his career on the line?

Exactly. And who can blame him? He was putting his neck on the line just by associating with us in the first place. We will only be effective if we can grow this movement and bring in more mainstream people. And while that doesn't mean we should ever compromise our principles, it does mean we shouldn't be focused on divisive conspiracy theories. We need to keep it simple and focus on freedom and reducing the size of government.

9/11 is becoming the new "UFOs" used to discredit us. Granted, 9/11 being an inside job at least has some good circumstantial evidence to support it (unlike UFOs), but people either believe it was an inside job, or they've been "self-inoculated" against that truth at this point and won't listen. The time to convince people it was an inside job has passed. Issues revolving around the collapsing economy will be where we make our in-roads. We need to factor out those beliefs that are common to all of us and promote those exclusively.

Rangeley
09-03-2008, 07:48 AM
It wasn't the right place for it, it was off message and onto a divisive issue that is not being advocated by this movement - rather, there is overlap between this movement and that movement. I don't really think it was appropriate, and while I would have sat through it no problem, I can understand Tucker Carlson wanting to make it clear he had nothing to do with it.

Peace&Freedom
09-03-2008, 08:03 AM
9/11 is becoming the new "UFOs" used to discredit us. Granted, 9/11 being an inside job at least has some good circumstantial evidence to support it (unlike UFOs), but people either believe it was an inside job, or they've been "self-inoculated" against that truth at this point and won't listen. The time to convince people it was an inside job has passed. Issues revolving around the collapsing economy will be where we make our in-roads. We need to factor out those beliefs that are common to all of us and promote those exclusively.

Which sets us up for the next false flag/inside job, and the next after that, to emotionally lure us into tolerating the next round of curtailments of our rights and liberties, and next ratcheting of inflation and taxes. Was even a momentary reference to the issue at the Rally too much for these intolerant dividers? How long is the 12,000 pound elephant in the room going to be avoided?

Seriously, a campaign that tried to educate the public about the importance of monetary policy on our economic mess is pushing a belief that is ALSO not "common to all of us," since most of the public doesn't even comprehend it. Ditto for noninterventionism as it pertains to foreign policy---WE get it, but most of the public does not, or has likewise inoculated themselves against accepting the truth. So stop singling out 9-11 as the only movement issue you want to avoid on this basis---it's the pot calling the kettle black.

maqsur
09-03-2008, 08:19 AM
I think it's fine they invited Jesse Ventura, and Tucker Carlson.

Ron Paul is all about individual freedom, and the constitution, right? That includes the first ammendment, and so naturally a Rally for the Republic will celebrate the first ammendement, and allow people to speak their minds.

I agree with others that it's too bad Tucker could not heed his own advice, and keep an open mind about others' opinions, even when there is disagreement.

People in this country are generally too damn thin-skinned, they get offended, shocked, dismayed, blah blah, by anything somebody says.

What happened to "sticks and stones may break my bones, but WORDS will never hurt me"?? If there is one (of many) things I like about Dr. Paul, it is that he not only respects the 1st ammendment, he lives it. He tells it like it is, and doesn't get upset when others voice their beliefs.

I wish so much the MSM would have debates and commentary as free as we saw at the Rally yesterday. I wish... then maybe we could salvage what's left of this country.

Rangeley
09-03-2008, 08:28 AM
Seriously, a campaign that tried to educate the public about the importance of monetary policy on our economic mess is pushing a belief that is ALSO not "common to all of us," since most of the public doesn't even comprehend it. Ditto for noninterventionism as it pertains to foreign policy---WE get it, but most of the public does not, or has likewise inoculated themselves against accepting the truth. So stop singling out 9-11 as the only movement issue you want to avoid on this basis---it's the pot calling the kettle black.
Except that isn't the objection. Of course this movement is about spreading ideals of liberty - ideas which unfortunately are not "common to all of us" at this point. It isn't that 9-11 Conspiracy Theories aren't "common to all of us," that makes talking about them at the Rally for the Republic inappropriate - it is the fact that this is not the 9-11 Truth Movement. Again, just because there is some overlap, doesn't mean they are the same thing.


Ron Paul is all about individual freedom, and the constitution, right? That includes the first ammendment, and so naturally a Rally for the Republic will celebrate the first ammendement, and allow people to speak their minds.
So should Rudy Giuliani have been invited, to allow him to speak his mind? The Rally for the Republic was not an open mic night, it was a rally dedicated to restoring liberty. Ventura should have stayed on that powerful message, and not drifted onto talk about another movement he is a part of.

Maltheus
09-03-2008, 08:37 AM
Which sets us up for the next false flag/inside job, and the next after that, to emotionally lure us into tolerating the next round of curtailments of our rights and liberties, and next ratcheting of inflation and taxes. Was even a momentary reference to the issue at the Rally too much for these intolerant dividers? How long is the 12,000 pound elephant in the room going to be avoided?

Seriously, a campaign that tried to educate the public about the importance of monetary policy on our economic mess is pushing a belief that is ALSO not "common to all of us," since most of the public doesn't even comprehend it. Ditto for noninterventionism as it pertains to foreign policy---WE get it, but most of the public does not, or has likewise inoculated themselves against accepting the truth. So stop singling out 9-11 as the only movement issue you want to avoid on this basis---it's the pot calling the kettle black.

Perhaps 9/11 awareness has been responsible for delaying the next false flag attack. I myself alienated a lot of people trying to educate them on the issue. But that should be a separate movement, even if there is a lot of overlap.

Like it or not, anything that smacks of "conspiracy theory" automatically gets dismissed by a large percentage of the population. They've been conditioned that way and we'd be fighting an even steeper uphill battle to convince them of that. Monetary policy, on the other hand, doesn't have the ring of a conspiracy theory to most peoples ears. It's boring policy talk to most and they don't suspect that you merely want to believe, for the sensationalist aspects.

With 9/11, people think that if it was an inside job, someone would have blown the whistle, if for no other reason than to catch a big headline. Nobody is surprised that no one hasn't blown the whistle on the fed because it's not headline catching. And I find people can easily understand the concept that printing more money devalues their savings. They don't need convincing evidence of it, it just makes sense if you take a little time to think about it.

Winning the battle on monetary policy will yield us far greater dividends than putting the 9/11 conspirators in jail. It's easier to convince people of it and if we win that battle, there will be less motive to enact another 9/11 since there'd be less power for the taking.

slacker921
09-03-2008, 09:01 AM
Another thing to consider regarding Ventura.. the CFL has said that it can't endorse candidates or promote individual candidates otherwise it stands to lose it's non-profit status. Ventura got up and announced he wants to be a candidate and also pointed to someone who is currently running in local races and said "vote for this guy"....

I don't think that's the primary reason Tucker left, but I would assume there were some tense moments backstage over more than his mention of 9/11.

There was also a point in his speech when he talked about a revolution being more than just words.. it was sounding an awful lot like he was promoting a physical uprising but I think he turned that into his announcement that he'd run for president if he saw enough action.

We also don't know what went on backstage before Ventura went on..

Badger Paul
09-03-2008, 09:03 AM
I sure he hopes this grand gesture will save his career. Alas, just being at the Rally is going to taint him among the establishment. He's going to have to seek out The American Conservative if he wants a steady gig.

I thought he left because he had another committment as well. Considering what Ventura has said about 9-11 in the past asking the question why can't our Federal Government bring a war crimes indictment against Osama bib Laden is not off the wall. Now if Ventura started talking about Building No. 7...yeah I could see being worried you found yourself in Trutherville. But that's Jesse, he's not going to give a crap if you don't want it brought up. He must think Tucker's a little pipsqueak.

Oh well, there's more to life than worrying about Tucker's Carlson's feelings. Hopefully by 2012this WON'T be an issue.

freelance
09-03-2008, 09:28 AM
Considering what Ventura has said about 9-11 in the past asking the question why can't our Federal Government bring a war crimes indictment against Osama bib Laden is not off the wall. Now if Ventura started talking about Building No. 7...

Exactly.

Were not our Founding Fathers the FATHERS OF ALL CONSPIRACIES???

MikeStanart
09-03-2008, 09:28 AM
I can hardly blame Tuckerson if he did. I got pissed off when Ventura brought it up.

I don't care if you believe in 9/11 truth. You have the right to.

9/11 Truth is political and organizational suicide, you don't publicly endorse it.

The Ron Paul movement does not need this negative publicity tied to it.

Omnis
09-03-2008, 09:33 AM
That's exactly what I was thinking, either it was that or the mix up about books. But I was leaning more towards Jesse and 9/11. I remember what he said about people who believed the government was behind 9/11. Made me want to wrap my hands around his neck, and squeeze.

Oh well, Screw Tucker Carleson. He and his Child will suffer for his ignorance.

Why the hell do you keep typing that? Are you threatening them or something? No wonder Glenn Beck is so afraid of the "wackos".

I thought Ventura's 9/11 tidbit was inappropriate, although some of the content-- such as asking questions-- was. The others in this thread are right when they say it's political suicide. Truth is worthless without the curiosity that the people must cultivate for themselves. Ventura's speech was good for this end, but his stupid "troofer" tangent submerged what would have been a more powerful (politically appropriate to boot) message.

demolama
09-03-2008, 09:40 AM
Assumptions to why Tucker left is moot until we get official word as to what the reason was

coffeewithchess
09-03-2008, 09:46 AM
Assumptions to why Tucker left is moot until we get official word as to what the reason was

According to the report, it was from Tucker's own mouth.

maqsur
09-03-2008, 09:49 AM
So should Rudy Giuliani have been invited, to allow him to speak his mind? The Rally for the Republic was not an open mic night, it was a rally dedicated to restoring liberty. Ventura should have stayed on that powerful message, and not drifted onto talk about another movement he is a part of.

You've missed my point. Obviously, the Rally was for the purpose of liberty, not spreading authoritarian garbage. My point was that Ventura was exercising the 1st ammendment, and investigating 9-11 should be a goal of anyone interested in liberty. I feel it's the perfect example of the government f'ing up, and we need to know how and why and what of it all.

That's basically what I meant.

maqsur
09-03-2008, 09:54 AM
Just to add to the discussion of 9-11, and other hot-button topics. The more we sweep these things under the rug, the longer it will remain "kooky" to discuss them.

I don't feel hiding these topics, or suppressing discussion, is really liberty minded. However, I can understand the argument of political expediency.

But, we need to change the whole "politically expedient" system. The same system that has provided so much government secrecy, and unfair attacks on people who want to pry open the lid, and is allowing our republic to slide into oblivion.

V-rod
09-03-2008, 10:01 AM
At least he didn't question the official story of Pearl Harbor, the Moon landing, or how Stella got her groove back.

Peace&Freedom
09-03-2008, 10:12 AM
Just to add to the discussion of 9-11, and other hot-button topics. The more we sweep these things under the rug, the longer it will remain "kooky" to discuss them.

I don't feel hiding these topics, or suppressing discussion, is really liberty minded. However, I can understand the argument of political expediency.

But, we need to change the whole "politically expedient" system. The same system that has provided so much government secrecy, and unfair attacks on people who want to pry open the lid, and is allowing our republic to slide into oblivion.

QFT. Talk about ending the Fed was also swept under the rug for decades as 'kooky talk' that would alienate the public. Paul has also talked about the NAU plans, the IRS fraud, the neocon cabal, and other cover-ups, so I don't buy the "let's separate Paul from conspiracies" line. 9-11 is selectively and artifically being isolated from him, to the exclusion of similar issues, period. The truth movement is a large concern of the Revolution and liberty movement, whether some can tolerate it or not.

dannno
09-03-2008, 10:13 AM
So much for his asking people to listen to the speakers even if they didn't agree with them :rolleyes:

Practice what Tucker preaches, not what he does.

ROFL, good point... that was him that said that..

GoSlash27
09-03-2008, 10:34 AM
One of my friends wangled a press pass and was actually there when Tucker left. His account backs up Politico's.

GoSlash27
09-03-2008, 10:42 AM
Maybe Tucker is looking after his livelyhood at MSNBC, and doesn't want the stigma of being associated with the Truther movement at this point in his current employment which might be hanging by a string (his show was cancelled earlier this year).
Same thought crossed my mind.

I'm not a "truther" myself, but I certainly wouldn't toss them out on their ear. Their movement is one of government transparency, which is something we all embrace. The fact that their views on the matter are politically unpalatable to the average voter is minor. So are ours. If we refused to showcase all our controversial issues, we'd find ourselves without much to talk about. ;)

I would wholeheartedly support a Ventura bid, 'troofer' views notwithstanding.

RevolutionSD
09-03-2008, 10:48 AM
F Tucker, what a baby! He can't handle asking a couple of questions about 9/11? Is he afraid the truth might actually come out? Man, let's get over Tucker Carlson, who the F cares if he leaves the movement entirely.

rockandrollsouls
09-03-2008, 10:52 AM
F Tucker, what a baby! He can't handle asking a couple of questions about 9/11? Is he afraid the truth might actually come out? Man, let's get over Tucker Carlson, who the F cares if he leaves the movement entirely.

At that point the rally turned into a truther rally. It was ridiculous. Thankfully there were some sane speakers to steer the rally back on track.

OF course the truther and one with the worst record as governor got the loudest chants....you guys claim to be against the establishment and for freedom but you're cheering and touting a guy who's record is the exact opposite.

What happened to principle? You guys preach it here, but that's lost when ventura takes the box.

IPSecure
09-03-2008, 11:03 AM
Did you see the 'forum' on C-Span before the Rally?

Tucker was on stage, sitting next to the Huffington Post lady (Plastic Snob), she stated that any 911 conspiracy mentioned in the blogs on her site will not be tolerated. Tucker tried to get a word in, but never did.

ruggedindividualist
09-03-2008, 11:04 AM
I can hardly blame Tuckerson if he did. I got pissed off when Ventura brought it up.

I don't care if you believe in 9/11 truth. You have the right to.

9/11 Truth is political and organizational suicide, you don't publicly endorse it.

The Ron Paul movement does not need this negative publicity tied to it.



So you are saying Ron Paul should stop appearing on Alex Jones, you view that as "negative publicity"???

pacelli
09-03-2008, 11:06 AM
Did you see the 'forum' on C-Span before the Rally?

Tucker was on stage, sitting next to the Huffington Post lady (Plastic Snob), she stated that any 911 conspiracy mentioned in the blogs on her site will not be tolerated. Tucker tried to get a word in, but never did.

I did see that. I also saw the part where Tucker admitted he was hung over. Maybe we should think twice about using a drunk for an emcee next time.

ruggedindividualist
09-03-2008, 11:07 AM
I thought Ventura's 9/11 tidbit was inappropriate, although some of the content-- such as asking questions-- was. The others in this thread are right when they say it's political suicide.

Hasn't Ron Pauls ENTIRE CAREER been "political suicide"??? When has he ever put political expedience first?

IPSecure
09-03-2008, 11:08 AM
Hasn't Ron Pauls ENTIRE CAREER been "political suicide"??? When has he ever put political expedience first?


+1

rockandrollsouls
09-03-2008, 11:14 AM
Hasn't Ron Pauls ENTIRE CAREER been "political suicide"??? When has he ever put political expedience first?

how can you even compare voting conservatively to truthers? Again, the rally was a truther rally, not one about limited to government and freedom. I would have left, too. Ron Paul isn't a truther, and just because he does interviews on some guy's radio show doesn't mean he is. He's said time and time again he's not and the rally wasn't the place. Way to make all the real principled ones in this movement look like wackjobs, and way to soil ron's name by chanting that there. Jesse was self serving and egotistic, and his record isn't impressive to boot. Might wanna check these people you think are so great....his record is more in line with Bill Clinton than Ron Paul.

BuddyRey
09-03-2008, 11:17 AM
My educated guess: Tucker found out that Grover Norquist was booked as one of the speakers and got the heck outta Dodge (for some reason, they hate eachother!)

freelance
09-03-2008, 11:42 AM
Again, the rally was a truther rally, not one about limited to government and freedom

Did you watch like three minutes of the rally where someone dared to ask a few questions about 911, or WHAT? That wasn't anything close to a truther rally.

rockandrollsouls
09-03-2008, 12:00 PM
Did you watch like three minutes of the rally where someone dared to ask a few questions about 911, or WHAT? That wasn't anything close to a truther rally.

Ventura and the truthers are a joke.

inibo
09-03-2008, 12:44 PM
it certainly wasn't a unified chant, it was garbled and distant.

First class metaphor.

rockandrollsouls
09-03-2008, 01:03 PM
First class metaphor.

It sounded pretty clear and defined to me. Like I said, there are those of you here who are more interested in pursuing crackpot conspiracy theories instead of returning your government to normalcy.

Fact of the matter is you won't get an investigation until you have a real man of the people in the White house. Jesse Ventura isn't. He moved to Mexico and dictates from his vacation house and you don't even bother to research his stances or record.

aspiringconstitutionalist
09-03-2008, 01:14 PM
Ah, I was wondering what happened to Tucker. I had a feeling he just walked out. He seemed like he was really uncomfortable up there the whole time, like he felt out of place, and didn't seem to agree with a lot of the stuff that was being said.

Way to walk away from your commitments, Tucker. I hope he doesn't expect full payment from CFL for his services.

inibo
09-03-2008, 02:17 PM
Originally Posted by inibo
First class metaphor.



It sounded pretty clear and defined to me. Like I said, there are those of you here who are more interested in pursuing crackpot conspiracy theories instead of returning your government to normalcy.

Fact of the matter is you won't get an investigation until you have a real man of the people in the White house. Jesse Ventura isn't. He moved to Mexico and dictates from his vacation house and you don't even bother to research his stances or record.


I think you misread my intent. When I referred to "garbled and distant" as a metaphor for Truth I was comparing it to the overall Liberty movement. I'm not passing judgment, just saying what I think the priority should be.

As to Jesse Ventura, I have looked into him since his speech at the rally. It's already been posted several times, but just in case, everyone should check this site at minimum: http://www.ontheissues.org/Jesse_Ventura.htm

At this point I'm giving him a C+, maybe a B-. He needs to do a bit more homework. There is a lot to like about him as a person and he is an excellent rabble rowser, but he's not going to just walk in and take over, nor is he going to be able to sit back and wait for us to come to him begging. Democratic and Republican big-wigs might be able to get away with that and Democratic and Republican voters might fall for it, but we are different. We've worked with a master and our support has to be earned. I consider his appearance at the Rally as an audition. I say he's earned a second reading, but I'm not ready to offer him the part yet.

Gary John and Bruce Fein are a little bit higher on my short list. Are either of them actually considering a run for anything?

rockandrollsouls
09-03-2008, 02:21 PM
I think you misread my intent. When I referred to "garbled and distant" as a metaphor for Truth I was comparing it to the overall Liberty movement. I'm not passing judgment, just saying what I think the priority should be.

As to Jesse Ventura, I have looked into him since his speech at the rally. It's already been posted several times, but just in case, everyone should check this site at minimum: http://www.ontheissues.org/Jesse_Ventura.htm

At this point I'm giving him a C+, maybe a B-. He needs to do a bit more homework. There is a lot to like about him as a person and he is an excellent rabble rowser, but he's not going to just walk in and take over, nor is he going to be able to sit back and wait for us to come to him begging. Democratic and Republican big-wigs might be able to get away with that and Democratic and Republican voters might fall for it, but we are different. We've worked with a master and our support has to be earned. I consider his appearance at the Rally as an audition. I say he's earned a second reading, but I'm not ready to offer him the part yet.

Gary John and Bruce Fein are a little bit higher on my short list. Are either of them actually considering a run for anything?


Well, our support is yet to be earned. Don't say that to the lightweights that have been on their knees for him since day one. Sadly, I thought our people were more principled. I guess not..

trapfive
09-03-2008, 02:22 PM
The question was not out of line. IMO (I'm not a truther)
The question was framed as the fact it is and was followed up with the observation that this country completely changed it's foreign policy among other things based on a crime that no one was officially charged with.

Sounds like a good question to me.

What bothers me about Jesse is his egoic behavior, I mean really, this revolution and the Campaign For Liberty has to "prove" to him it's worth it? That's all we need is another ego maniac in DC, aren't there enough of those there already?

While they may agree on issues, Jesse is the antithesis of Ron Paul.

Tucker's opening comments were great but I don't care why he left.... The rally wasn't about him and I thought the young man filling in (sorry don't know his name) did a fine job.

rockandrollsouls
09-03-2008, 02:42 PM
The question was not out of line. IMO (I'm not a truther)
The question was framed as the fact it is and was followed up with the observation that this country completely changed it's foreign policy among other things based on a crime that no one was officially charged with.

Sounds like a good question to me.

What bothers me about Jesse is his egoic behavior, I mean really, this revolution and the Campaign For Liberty has to "prove" to him it's worth it? That's all we need is another ego maniac in DC, aren't there enough of those there already?

While they may agree on issues, Jesse is the antithesis of Ron Paul.

Tucker's opening comments were great but I don't care why he left.... The rally wasn't about him and I thought the young man filling in (sorry don't know his name) did a fine job.

Personally, I didn't think that was the place for the question. The campaign for liberty was about representing the ideals of a Ron Paul Republican. Jesse Grandstanded, voiced his opinion, showboated, and ultimately discussed something that wasn't the viewpoint of Ron. That's just how I saw it, and at that point I shut it off for a while until I knew Jesse wouldn't be on.

1000-points-of-fright
09-03-2008, 03:25 PM
I'm no truther by any stretch of the imagination. I do, however, think there should be a more thorough investigation into the incompetence that allowed the attack to occur and a few people should lose their jobs at the very least.

Now, that being said... I checked the FBI website and Jesse is right. 9/11 is not mentioned in bin Laden's list of crimes.


Usama Bin Laden is wanted in connection with the August 7, 1998, bombings of the United States Embassies in Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and Nairobi, Kenya. These attacks killed over 200 people. In addition, Bin Laden is a suspect in other terrorist attacks throughout the world.

Other terrorist attacks throughout the world? Kinda vague when one of those is the biggest act of terrorism on US soil, no? In fact, 9/11 isn't mentioned at all in relation to the dozen or so individuals on the FBI's most wanted terrorist web page.

One could accuse Ventura's comments last night of wandering into truther territory, but one could also interpret them as saying that we had better dot all the i's and cross all the t's before we stomp around the world overthrowing governments.

But it would have been better if he had kept his mouth shut about it.

trapfive
09-03-2008, 03:52 PM
I'm no truther by any stretch of the imagination. I do, however, think there should be a more thorough investigation into the incompetence that allowed the attack to occur and a few people should lose their jobs at the very least.

Now, that being said... I checked the FBI website and Jesse is right. 9/11 is not mentioned in bin Laden's list of crimes.



Other terrorist attacks throughout the world? Kinda vague when one of those is the biggest act of terrorism on US soil, no? In fact, 9/11 isn't mentioned at all in relation to the dozen or so individuals on the FBI's most wanted terrorist web page.

One could accuse Ventura's comments last night of wandering into truther territory, but one could also interpret them as saying that we had better dot all the i's and cross all the t's before we stomp around the world overthrowing governments.

But it would have been better if he had kept his mouth shut about it.

"stomp around the world overthrowing governments"

That's the part that resonated with me. Honestly, I cringed when he ventured into "truther" territory but the way he framed the question fit perfectly with RP's message about foriegn policy.

RevolutionSD
09-03-2008, 04:18 PM
Ventura and the truthers are a joke.

Yeah, I'd rather have government lies then to ask some serious questions. :confused:

RevolutionSD
09-03-2008, 04:19 PM
At that point the rally turned into a truther rally. It was ridiculous. Thankfully there were some sane speakers to steer the rally back on track.

OF course the truther and one with the worst record as governor got the loudest chants....you guys claim to be against the establishment and for freedom but you're cheering and touting a guy who's record is the exact opposite.

What happened to principle? You guys preach it here, but that's lost when ventura takes the box.

I'm not a Ventura fan, but his 2 questions on 9/11 were completely in line and appropriate. Why can't we ask questions about 9/11?

scotto2008
09-03-2008, 04:25 PM
Yeah, I'd rather have government lies then to ask some serious questions. :confused:

Yeah, asking questions makes you a "truther." Which is bad, I think. Well, it beats "conspiracy theorist."

scotto2008
09-03-2008, 04:31 PM
The question was not out of line. IMO (I'm not a truther)
The question was framed as the fact it is and was followed up with the observation that this country completely changed it's foreign policy among other things based on a crime that no one was officially charged with.

Sounds like a good question to me.

What bothers me about Jesse is his egoic behavior, I mean really, this revolution and the Campaign For Liberty has to "prove" to him it's worth it? That's all we need is another ego maniac in DC, aren't there enough of those there already?

While they may agree on issues, Jesse is the antithesis of Ron Paul.

Tucker's opening comments were great but I don't care why he left.... The rally wasn't about him and I thought the young man filling in (sorry don't know his name) did a fine job.

I thought the most awkward moment was when he compared securing our borders to becoming an "East Berlin," and all because we're afraid of "those brown people." I took offense, and I could sense I wasn't the only one.

All and all, I think he had an inspiring message, and definitely injected some energy into the crowd.

freelance
09-03-2008, 04:47 PM
I thought the most awkward moment was when he compared securing our borders to becoming an "East Berlin," and all because we're afraid of "those brown people." I took offense, and I could sense I wasn't the only one.

All and all, I think he had an inspiring message, and definitely injected some energy into the crowd.

Now that you mention it, I thought that was far more controversial than the remarks about 911. In fact, it should get people thinking about the PURPOSE of that fence.

ruggedindividualist
09-03-2008, 05:20 PM
how can you even compare voting conservatively to truthers? Again, the rally was a truther rally, not one about limited to government and freedom. I would have left, too. Ron Paul isn't a truther, and just because he does interviews on some guy's radio show doesn't mean he is. He's said time and time again he's not and the rally wasn't the place. Way to make all the real principled ones in this movement look like wackjobs, and way to soil ron's name by chanting that there. Jesse was self serving and egotistic, and his record isn't impressive to boot. Might wanna check these people you think are so great....his record is more in line with Bill Clinton than Ron Paul.

Where did I post Ventura is great?? "Some guy"? Alex Jones isn't just some guy with a radio show, he is known primarily for being a "truther" and "conspiracy theorist". And wasn't the NAU a "conspiracy" 6 months ago?? All Ventura did was say the issue needed investigating and pointed out that the FBI found no evidence linking him to 9-11.

Here's a Ron Paul statement on the subject:
http://www.total911.info/2007/01/prez-explorer-paul-investigate-911.html

Like others here, I take more issue with the private property implications of Venturas open borders ideas than his pointing out some incovenient "truths".

RSLudlum
09-03-2008, 05:56 PM
I'm not a Ventura fan, but his 2 questions on 9/11 were completely in line and appropriate. Why can't we ask questions about 9/11?

Of course because it's over and done with let's not get into the little details about some event that happened in the past...It's history and no one studies history anymore...Anyways, our government told us what happened, and they are the final authority on all matters, even raw milk!!! :rolleyes:

TastyWheat
09-03-2008, 08:35 PM
Considering the way Jesse REALLY feels about 9/11 I think he kept it pretty P.C. What he said was fact though, so you can't get mad about that.

Flash
09-03-2008, 09:23 PM
http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/09/behind-the-scenes-at-the-ron-p.html

Looks like he was annoyed at that John Birch society guy, not Jesse Ventura.

syborius
09-03-2008, 10:29 PM
If this story is true then the Liberty movement is waaay too sensitive. Or atleast certain Libertarians like Tucker are. People really need to grow a spine. I'm not a 9/11 Truther but everyone KNEW Ventura would question 9/11. Alex Jones flat out believes 9/11 was an inside job and RP still goes on his show.

Tucker is a kiss ass brown noser if I've ever seen one, he is the epitome of what is wrong with washington insiders, go where the wind blows, do what they tell you, stand for everything and nothing. He supported RP just as much as he bad mouthed him and hurt him with his double speak. F*CK T*CKER, worthless little worm :D

Matt Collins
09-03-2008, 10:44 PM
I did see that. I also saw the part where Tucker admitted he was hung over. LOL. Link? :D

Matt Collins
09-03-2008, 10:46 PM
He seemed like he was really uncomfortable up there the whole time, like he felt out of place, and didn't seem to agree with a lot of the stuff that was being said.My guess is that he felt weird the entire arena was half-empty (or less) when he started. Until later that day it was largely empty. Being told you sold 11k seats and then speaking to a half empty room is very disappointing. But I was glad to see the place to be mostly packed for the end of it.

Matt Collins
09-03-2008, 10:47 PM
Considering the way Jesse REALLY feels about 9/11 I think he kept it pretty P.C. What he said was fact though, so you can't get mad about that.

I'm not a Ventura fan, but his 2 questions on 9/11 were completely in line and appropriate. Why can't we ask questions about 9/11?

Yes, his questions were perfectly logical and do not even imply any conspiracy at all. However he should not have discussed this at the R4R event because it detracted from everything else.

JohnnyWrath
09-03-2008, 11:27 PM
During the run for resident. Tucker Carlson was the ONLY person giving Ron Paul equal air time, and the ONLY well known mainstream media personality who flat out said he was voting for Ron Paul....lay off the guy. Tucker got Ron Pauls name on MSNBC often during the campaign in a positive manner....I personally love him for it.