Who do you disrespect more neocons or people "who don't follow politics"

[RCA]

Before, I was one of the ones that "didn't follow politics" as well. However, I wasn't one who willfully perfected ignorance like 90% of the people who don't follow politics. Once I was unplugged from the Matrix, that was it for me, no going back.

Since that time, I've lost interest in other "bread and circus" areas of my life, for instance college football. Don't get me wrong, I'm still a big fan, but I just don't think about it all day like before. Now my thoughts are filled with economics, politics, war, precious metals, guns, etc. Sometimes, the football type activities are a nice break from all the current affairs type activities, but I just can't put them at the top of my list anymore.

These are things that I've never thought of before. The downside of losing interest in certain areas has made me really irritated with people who refuse to loosen up their interest in those areas. By that I mean, the willfully ignorant football fans, not the people like myself who are just waiting to be unplugged.

So, my question is this, who irritates you more the neocons who you've got to at least give them some credit for being involved in things that matter or the idiots who want nothing to do with it?

[Kotin]

their both equally destructive..


but I would have to say the neocons.

[josephadel_3]

The apathetic ones, I disrespect the most. If they got off their ass and did something instead of talking about Manny Ramirez's batting average every to seconds, the neocons would have no friggin power.

[Conza88]

Good question...

Just because you do not take an interest in politics doesn't mean politics won't take an interest in you. – Pericles (430 BC)

One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors. – Plato

I am interested in politics so that one day I will not have to be interested in politics. – Ayn Rand

Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies. – Groucho Marx

When politics are used to allocate resources, the resources all end up being allocated to politics. – P.J. O'Rourke

It is not in the nature of politics that the best men should be elected. The best men do not want to govern their fellowmen. – George E. MacDonald (1824-1905)

[pacelli]

I disrespect the neocon/ Socialist / Communist establishment members because they are knowingly participating in the destruction of everything that this country was founded upon.

Those that do not have any interest in politics, don't vote, and don't care, can't be blamed nearly as much. I actually respect these folks because there is a grain of truth to their reasoning: "My vote won't matter" [and] "they don't give a damn about me anyway". Their apathy will change, it will take time and (unfortunately) consequences which will force them to pay attention and take an interest out of their own necessity.

[Pauls' Revere]

Both for reasons previously stated.

The apathetic ones, I disrespect the most. If they got off their ass and did something instead of talking about Manny Ramirez's batting average every to seconds, the neocons would have no friggin power.

I disrespect the neocon/ Socialist / Communist establishment members because they are knowingly participating in the destruction of everything that this country was founded upon.

Great question though.

[MikeSmith]

I disagree. Currently, the people who do the most damage are those who vote a straight Republican ticket, with a nearly identical second going to those who vote a straight Democratic ticket. Those who do not vote, do not alter the results. It's those who are poorly informed and easily taken that decide the elections.

[lasenorita]

I think I'm annoyed most by the people "who don't follow politics". I thoroughly disagree with the neo-conservatives, but at least they have convictions and they're willing to fight for what they want and think is right (no matter how wrong imho).

Those who are indifferent get on my nerves because most usually complain about what's happening and then have the nerve to criticize and laugh at those who are passionate enough to do something about it. I understand that it's their prerogative to choose not to become involved/informed (I was once like them), but it pains me because they can/do have such a big impact on the outcome of elections and such.

It's frustrating because it's like watching someone being hit over and over again, yet continue taking the abuse. But then again ...if I put it that way, the neo-conservatives are the ones giving the blows so I really should dislike them the most... Aaargh! Yes, I'm confused. Let's just say I'm irritated by both. :o

[surf]

neocons, far and away. ignorance is an excuse ("i'm sorry but i just don't know how fly a helicopter"), but evil is evil.

no one should be disrespected solely for apathy or ignorance - and not voting doesn't mean you don't have a "right" to complain. we all know politicians are generally dumb corrupt sons-of-bitches, and do we have more right to complain than others?

neocon EVIL is EVIL

case closed.

[josephadel_3]

Yes, but didn't someone great say something like :

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)


Lots of good people don't care to do anything. That I disrespect.

[humanic]

Both groups are brainwashed by design. It's up to us to deprogram them and open their eyes.

[CasualApathy]

I'll have to go with both as well. Apathy is maybe slightly better because it can be cured.

[SeanEdwards]

Neocons are worse.

It's natural for people to feel helpless and unable to change the rolling leviathan that is the state. Disengagement and apathy is entirely understandable given the circumstances.

[Standing Like A Rock]

The man who knows nothing is better educated than the man who only knows what is in the newspapers.

[Golding]

Neocons. I'd prefer apathetic indifference over willful self-destruction any day.

[revolutionman]

better to remain silent and be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt. People who dont understand politics and dont participate, are far better than those who dont understand and fk it up for the rest of us by casting ignorant votes.

[josephadel_3]

better to remain silent and be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt. People who dont understand politics and dont participate, are far better than those who dont understand and fk it up for the rest of us by casting ignorant votes.

Yep

[hillbilly123069]

Why do you have to label, catagorize and sub-catagorize right and wrong?

[hillbilly123069]

better to remain silent and be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt. People who dont understand politics and dont participate, are far better than those who dont understand and fk it up for the rest of us by casting ignorant votes.

My personal favorite is a fish wouldn't get in trouble if it kept its' mouth shut.

[Defining Obscene]

Neocons are terrible. They live in denial and try to reciprocate it. At the very least, the apathetic are 1 step ahead of demonstrating that their votes don't matter, whether they realize it or not. The problem occurs when people who don't follow politics, don't follow the infringements on their rights that allow them to be SO free that they don't have to care about politics.

[forsmant]

Football is not on the top of your priority list?

[klamath]

Libertarians are rapidly over taking neocons as the worst in my book. If your are not interested in politics please don't vote.

[David40]

That's easy. Apathy is excusable because it's done out of hopelessness. A Neocon on the other hand wilfully and deliberately pursues the path of evil.

[anaconda]

Most of the people who vote for neocons are not really neocons. And they don't know it! It seems to me that the good ole boy red staters could be largely swayed to the patriotic notion of the Constitution and into a state of contempt for big government. I think if they could realize that they have been duped by their party they could easily be swayed.

[VoteForRonPaul]

I think the word "disrespect" is the wrong word to be used!
It is so pathetic that Ron Paul supporters get easily caught in such terrible situation where they look at any person who opposes their position with disrespect.

Some of Ron Paul supporters believe that they are the smartest most awakened minds in modern America and they have every right to do so but when you look at it from another side you will find a number of them still believe that on 9/11 three buildings made of steel fell for the first time in history and broke the laws of physics because of fire.

Although I call this so naive and shocking from people who think that they are the most awakened people but I still cannot carry a disrespect for them. I only start to carry disrespect when they show hypocrisy when they start to get violent and curse.

But to disrespect people just because they do not hold the same position is totally insane!

[Fox McCloud]

as much as I dislike Neocons, I dislike the one's who are totally ignorant way more; there's far too many people that I know who don't hardly know a thing about politics, don't care to know, and likely will never know--they just go through life taking what the world gives them, and nothing more....they don't stand for anything, they don't know anything about any issue, etc.

another group I don't like is "moderates" who straddle the fence on every issue imaginable...and at the same they take pride that their way is somehow better because it compromises and is not "extreme" in any measure....I cannot truly describe how much I do not like these people, because it shows an unwillingness to commit to any ideology (I'd rather deal with a socialist than a moderate). I forget where the quote was said and who said it, but it applies well to these people "moderation is a form of extremism".

[RJB]

Sheep are just stupid.

Neocons are pure evil.

[strapko]

The people I hate most are the ones who vote for popular candidates(Media/Celeb). I.e: Obama, and they insist he is change, it makes me want to puke in my soup. The ones who vote without knowing any of his stances on issue's; the ones who vote because of looks; the ones that have no logic i.e: Barrack wants to expand government programs, but give 95% people a tax break; the ones who do not understand economics.

[josephadel_3]

Libertarians are rapidly over taking neocons as the worst in my book.

An explanation of this statement would be helpful.

[josephadel_3]

as much as I dislike Neocons, I dislike the one's who are totally ignorant way more; there's far too many people that I know who don't hardly know a thing about politics, don't care to know, and likely will never know--they just go through life taking what the world gives them, and nothing more....they don't stand for anything, they don't know anything about any issue, etc.

another group I don't like is "moderates" who straddle the fence on every issue imaginable...and at the same they take pride that their way is somehow better because it compromises and is not "extreme" in any measure....I cannot truly describe how much I do not like these people, because it shows an unwillingness to commit to any ideology (I'd rather deal with a socialist than a moderate). I forget where the quote was said and who said it, but it applies well to these people "moderation is a form of extremism".


Here it is: I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue! -

-Barry Goldwater

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Barry_Goldwater

I also can't stand people who think being "moderate" is a good thing. It's so much easier to argue with a socialist or war monger than it is a "moderate."

[LibertyOfOne]

The apathetic are smart. Deep down they know voting is worthless.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Before, I was one of the ones that "didn't follow politics" as well. However, I wasn't one who willfully perfected ignorance like 90% of the people who don't follow politics. Once I was unplugged from the Matrix, that was it for me, no going back.

Since that time, I've lost interest in other "bread and circus" areas of my life, for instance college football. Don't get me wrong, I'm still a big fan, but I just don't think about it all day like before. Now my thoughts are filled with economics, politics, war, precious metals, guns, etc. Sometimes, the football type activities are a nice break from all the current affairs type activities, but I just can't put them at the top of my list anymore.

These are things that I've never thought of before. The downside of losing interest in certain areas has made me really irritated with people who refuse to loosen up their interest in those areas. By that I mean, the willfully ignorant football fans, not the people like myself who are just waiting to be unplugged.

So, my question is this, who irritates you more the neocons who you've got to at least give them some credit for being involved in things that matter or the idiots who want nothing to do with it?

Idiots?

A political essay that is partisan is by definition jargon. When compared to science, such political jargon is irrational.
A strong essay will be bipartisan in that it will know the opponent's view well enough to present it as a strong argument before offering an even stronger argument in response. Think of literature in this case: a protagonist in a story is only as sophisticated and strong as its antagonist. If the antagonist is an idiot, what does this have to say about the victorious protagonist who isn't an idiot? This methodology will always make for a very weak thesis statement.
Politics has no identity when it views the opponent as different in huge chunks. An example of these huge chunks are the stupid liberals all together on one side in agreement against all the stupid conservatives on the other in one accord. Science at least is in bipartisan agreement in what is accepted theory while it addresses anomalies in small chunks. Eventually a critical point is reached when enough small chunks offer up so many anomalies that a revolution in science takes place causing the old theory to be overturned and replaced with a new theory.
When it goes fishing instead, American Transcendentalism isn't dropping out of politics. American Transcendentalism is a bipartisan movement that drops out of the irrational game of partisan politics.

[youngbuck]

I respect neo-cons more. Want to know who I disrespect the most?

Those who are completely and utterly ignorant about anything political or governmental, but blindly and animately support and defend the neo-con agenda without really knowing what it is and calling it patriotic, while calling Constitutionalists unpatriotic commies. Yes, I have a few specific people in mind. :mad:

[BuddyRey]

Neocons, for sure. The people who don't follow politics are just blissfully ignorant (the lucky bastards) and thus, easily misled. The neocons *think* they're clued in, but they're really not. Not only that, but in general, they aren't even OPEN to learning new things or having their views challenged.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Neocons, for sure. The people who don't follow politics are just blissfully ignorant (the lucky bastards) and thus, easily misled. The neocons *think* they're clued in, but they're really not. Not only that, but in general, they aren't even OPEN to learning new things or having their views challenged.

But this is a very poor definition of who the true Neocon antagonist is. We should legitimize the cause of the Neocon to get a better understanding of them. These religious Christians were once conservatives and still are in a sense. They believe in God after all. They believe in Him to the point that doing so will benefit them. Give now to His plan so that in return one will eventually receive ten times that amount when they enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. The nation of Israel is home to God's people. So, we should give everything to its safe keeping.

In return, the pastor obviously receives a bounty in the money plate as he preaches this type of propaganda. This is what the people want to hear so this is what he tells them.

So, the importance of God's plan becomes more important than being an American. It is more important than the United States and its history of the Founding Fathers and its formal documents of The Declaration of Independence and The U.S. Constitution.

The purpose of God becomes more important than even the economy itself. If the nation must live in a shambles for the sake of God, so be it.

[max]

Before, I was one of the ones that "didn't follow politics" as well. However, I wasn't one who willfully perfected ignorance like 90% of the people who don't follow politics. Once I was unplugged from the Matrix, that was it for me, no going back.

Since that time, I've lost interest in other "bread and circus" areas of my life, for instance college football. Don't get me wrong, I'm still a big fan, but I just don't think about it all day like before. Now my thoughts are filled with economics, politics, war, precious metals, guns, etc. Sometimes, the football type activities are a nice break from all the current affairs type activities, but I just can't put them at the top of my list anymore.

These are things that I've never thought of before. The downside of losing interest in certain areas has made me really irritated with people who refuse to loosen up their interest in those areas. By that I mean, the willfully ignorant football fans, not the people like myself who are just waiting to be unplugged.

So, my question is this, who irritates you more the neocons who you've got to at least give them some credit for being involved in things that matter or the idiots who want nothing to do with it?

I went through the same metamorphasis years ago...

As to your question...I think the apathetic are our biggest obstacle. You can win over a neo-con every now and then and turn him into a warrior for liberty (I'm an example)...but an apathetic beer drinking sports addict is and will always be useless

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

I went through the same metamorphasis years ago...

As to your question...I think the apathetic are our biggest obstacle. You can win over a neo-con every now and then and turn him into a warrior for liberty (I'm an example)...but an apathetic beer drinking sports addict is and will always be useless

If we can't trust the people, then we should just bow down on our knees as slaves to tyranny.

Rule #1. Never have too many rules.

Rule #2. Hate is un-American.

Rule #3. Never blame the people.

Rule #4. Never use the political spectrum as a playing field to bicker about politics.

Rule #5. Never give an interview with the media that isn't spontaneous, unedited and unrehearsed.

Rule #6. As Protestants hold the singular Civil-Purpose of the Holy Word in the bible over the legal precedent rituals established by the authority of the Pope and the Vatican, Americans should likewise hold the singular Civil-Purpose in the Constitution over the traditional legal precedents established by the authority of tyranny.

Rule #7. As law abiding American citizens, we should prefer imprisonment, torture, death and the frangrance of an outhouse to the tyranny in a courtroom.

Rule #8. As a winning political campaign is a victory for tyranny, establishing a bipartisan American Movement is a victory for the people.

Rule #9. False American Movements are Administrations which fail to implement fresh measures while they dig up obsolete legal precedents from the past to implement.

Rule #10. The debt of the people should not be burdened with any legal counterfeit created by any foreign or domestic tyranny.

Rule #11. As legal lobbying on the Federal level benefits the rule of tyranny, the civil invention rewarded on the local level benefits the rule of the people.

Rule #12. There are 3 kinds of people: those with feeble minds who persecute people, those with immature minds who laugh about persecution, and those with the kinds of sober minds that get persecuted. To be an American is always to be the latter.

Rule #13. As our Founding Fathers established themselves on the foundation of a great history, tyranny establishes itself as its own greatness.

Rule #14. Taxes are created with the intentions of benefitting some while cheating others.

[Ozwest]

[quote=Uncle Emanuel Watkins;1644258]But this is a very poor definition of who the true Neocon antagonist is. We should legitimize the cause of the Neocon to get a better understanding of them. These religious Christians were once conservatives and still are in a sense. They believe in God after all. They believe in Him to the point that doing so will benefit them. Give now to His plan so that in return one will eventually receive ten times that amount when they enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. The nation of Israel is home to God's people. So, we should give everything to its safe keeping.

In return, the pastor obviously receives a bounty in the money plate as he preaches this type of propaganda. This is what the people want to hear so this is what he tells them.

So, the importance of God's plan becomes more important than being an American. It is more important than the United States and its history of the Founding Fathers and its formal documents of The Declaration of Independence and The U.S. Constitution.

The purpose of God becomes more important than even the economy itself. If the nation must live in a shambles for the sake of God, so be it.[/quote

What a righteous prick you are.

[Ozwest]

If we can't trust the people, then we should just bow down on our knees as slaves to tyranny.

Rule #1. Never have too many rules.

Rule #2. Hate is un-American.

Rule #3. Never blame the people.

Rule #4. Never use the political spectrum as a playing field to bicker about politics.

Rule #5. Never give an interview with the media that isn't spontaneous, unedited and unrehearsed.

Rule #6. As Protestants hold the singular Civil-Purpose of the Holy Word in the bible over the legal precedent rituals established by the authority of the Pope and the Vatican, the singular Civil-Purpose in the Constitution should likewise supercede the traditional legal precedents established by the authority of tyranny.

Rule #7. As law abiding American citizens, we should prefer imprisonment, torture, death and the frangrance of an outhouse to the tyranny in a courtroom.

Rule #8. As a winning political campaign is a victory for tyranny, establishing a bipartisan American Movement is a victory for the people.

Rule #9. False American Movements are Administrations which fail to implement fresh measures while they dig up obsolete legal precedents from the past to implement.

Rule #10. The debt of the people should not be burdened with any legal counterfeit created by any foreign or domestic tyranny.

Rule #11. As legal lobbying on the Federal level benefits the rule of tyranny, the civil invention rewarded on the local level benefits the rule of the people.

Rule #12. There are 3 kinds of people: those with feeble minds who persecute people, those with immature minds who laugh about persecution, and those with the kinds of sober minds that get persecuted. To be an American is always to be the latter.

Rule #13. As our Founding Fathers established themselves on the foundation of a great history, tyranny establishes itself as its own greatness.

Rule #14. Taxes are created with the intentions of benefitting some while cheating others.

Do you mind?

Why are you so feeble minded?

Some of us enjoy independent thinking.

[Feenix566]

I disrespect the neocons more. At least politically ignorant people aren't trying to use the government as a tool to impose their will on others. Neocons are.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Neocons, for sure. The people who don't follow politics are just blissfully ignorant (the lucky bastards) and thus, easily misled. The neocons *think* they're clued in, but they're really not. Not only that, but in general, they aren't even OPEN to learning new things or having their views challenged.

The people have always been stupid from the point of view of a tyrant. But we are born as natural "doers." In fact, we are brought up with parents who have to tell us not to "do" things 9 out of 10 times.
Most think that we are going to need to do a major "do" to solve our problems. Life doesn't solve problems by creating huge "do's," but by creating little precious ones. We've gotten away from the realization that all we need to do is consecrate that which we already have as lightning in a bottle. Then we make ourselves happier by adding as little as possible by way of altering, tweaking, clarifying and ammending the Constitution.

[Ozwest]

The people have always been stupid from the point of view of a tyrant. But we are born as natural "doers." In fact, we are brought up with parents who have to tell us not to "do" things 9 out of 10 times.
Most think that we are going to need to do a major "do" to solve our problems. Life doesn't solve problems by creating huge "do's," but by creating little precious ones. We've gotten away from the realization that all we need to do is consecrate that which we already have as lightning in a bottle. Then we make ourselves happier by adding as little as possible by way of altering, tweaking, clarifying and ammending the Constitution.

Are you the omnipotent?

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Are you the omnipotent?

If I were, wouldn't I understand this question?

[Ozwest]

If I were, wouldn't I understand this question?


Obviously you are a wanker with over-blown self righteousness.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Obviously you are a wanker with over-blown self righteousness.

Sorry, I don't understand your foreign philosophy. Please take that to a European forum.

[Ozwest]

[quote=Uncle Emanuel Watkins;1644745]Sorry, I don't understand your foreign philosophy. Please take that to a European forum.[/quot



Fuck your philosophy mate.

I'll take you " down home Chicago."

Lived there for 9 years.

[dannno]

The only reason the neocons have power is because of the ignorant.. they feed off each other..

[Ozwest]

I suggest the south side of Chicago for you.

Wanker.

[Nietzsche's Stache]

So, my question is this, who irritates you more the neocons who you've got to at least give them some credit for being involved in things that matter or the idiots who want nothing to do with it?

Neocons, and it's not even close.

The apathetic are harmless. Heck, I think more people should be apathetic, and here's why:

Whether you like it or not, the vast majority of people are incapable of seeing politics in a rational matter. They are unable to understand the long-term consequences of their mostly reactive political positions and are equally poor at evaluating our functioning political system as a whole.

Think of it as if you work for a larger-sized company. How many of the employees would you trust to be able to make a reasonable decision in evaluating several candidates for President or CEO of your company?

For most, I'd assume the correct answer would be very few. Now, realize that these are capable people employed by a successful organization and that I'd suppose most people know a lot more about the interworkings of their own company than government at a state-wide or national scale.

Most people don't like to get involved in things that that don't understand or really get how or why it applies to them. Politics is and was often one these things.

Unfortunately, politicians have brain-washed many of the fundamentally apathetic that their vote can essentially give them free support from the nanny state or that if they don't vote, the "wealthy 1%" will gain complete national control and setup a secret caste system securing their own wealth, destroying the middle class and preventing the poor of quality of life improvement, etc. This feeds on their reactive instinct and inability to see thing "from 100,000 feet," per say.

For those on this forum that are upset with the apathetic, you all need to consider the intrinsic values that cause you to be active politically; you've obviously made key conclusions in understanding how politics can affect your life and the lives of those you care about. Also, you have formulated your own conclusions as to what we need to do socially and economically to make life better for you, your loved ones and your fellow Americans. This puts you, by nature, well ahead of the curve in fundamental political understanding.

Not everyone is like you and nor should they be--that's the beauty of being Libertarian. If you're going to gauge someones value by level of political activism/understanding, I seriously question your fundamental perspective on humans in general and what makes someone "good" versus "bad"...which would also be questioning your understanding of the fundamentals roots of libertarianism as well.

I also much moreso respect the person that acknowledges that they have no understanding of politics and refuses to be a part of it as opposed to someone that makes an important decision concerning our national political system while being poorly informed, ill-reasoned or even flat out manipulated.

[Nietzsche's Stache]

Libertarians are rapidly over taking neocons as the worst in my book. If your are not interested in politics please don't vote.

Interesting take considering the forum. I'd be curious to see you elaborate.

[Ozwest]

Interesting take considering the forum. I'd be curious to see you elaborate.

Nice post. Agree with a lot of your points.

However, your pseudo - elitist views fail too many.

I hope I'm right otherwise the supposed worlds leaders will continue to despised by others.

[Nietzsche's Stache]

Nice post. Agree with a lot of your points.

However, your pseudo - elitist views fail too many.

I hope I'm right otherwise the supposed worlds leaders will continue to despised by others.

It's unfortunate that many would consider pseudo-elitist. In my view it's general realist.

My grandfather was a fantastic engineer--one of the smartest people I've ever known. Nonetheless, he just honestly didn't care about politics. Whatever his personal reasons were, he did not care at all.

Does this make him a bad person? A stupid person? As one poster put it, a "useless" person? No, in my opinion.

I just think some intrinsically care about politics more and understand it better than other. Same as with most schools of thought--some are math-oriented, English-oriented, etc.

Another example is that while I enjoyed and excelled at Chemistry and Physics in school, I really disliked and didn't really get Biology.

Biology-based decisions effect my life every day. Even if I was granted a vote on who the powers that be would be in Biology field, I wouldn't exercise it. I don't trust myself to "get it" and I don't really care anyway. I think that stance is far more noble to the cause than if I were to use my power to make an ill-advised decision.

[Ozwest]

It's unfortunate that many would consider pseudo-elitist. In my view it's general realist.

My grandfather was a fantastic engineer--one of the smartest people I've ever known. Nonetheless, he just honestly didn't care about politics. Whatever his personal reasons were, he did not care at all.

Does this make him a bad person? A stupid person? As one poster put it, a "useless" person? No, in my opinion.

I just think some intrinsically care about politics more and understand it better than other. Same as with most schools of thought--some are math-oriented, English-oriented, etc.

Another example is that while I enjoyed and excelled at Chemistry and Physics in school, I really disliked and didn't really get Biology.

Biology-based decisions effect my life every day. Even if I was granted a vote on who the powers that be would be in Biology field, I wouldn't exercise it. I don't trust myself to "get it" and I don't really care anyway. I think that stance is far more noble to the cause than if I were to use my power to make an ill-advised decision.

I'm proud of my family heritage too.

If you are persuaded by the thoughts of self-absorbed elitists who ignore historical reality, then you are a chump.

History will not treat neo - cons with reverence.

Study Mussolini.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I disrespect everyone. Even my political allies don't like me.

[Ozwest]

I disrespect everyone. Even my political allies don't like me.

You sound like a self - reliant person.

Are you a Libertarian? :D

[Nietzsche's Stache]

I'm proud of my family heritage too.

If you are persuaded by the thoughts of self-absorbed elitists who ignore historical reality, then you are a chump.

History will not treat neo - cons with reverence.

Study Mussolini.


...............................?

What are you talking about?

I'm quite aware of Mussolini.

Did you read what I wrote?

I think you're not quite communicating the conclusions you're drawing in your head...

[Ozwest]

...............................?

What are you talking about?

I'm quite aware of Mussolini.

Did you read what I wrote?

I think you're not quite communicating the conclusions you're drawing in your head...


I'm doing my best.

12 hours ago I had to shoot and bury by beloved 16 year old border collie.

I've half finished a bottle of Chivas .

Sorry mate.

[lucius]

I'm doing my best.

12 hours ago I had to shoot and bury by beloved 16 year old border collie.

I've half finished a bottle of Chivas .

Sorry mate.

Sorry to hear that...I have done that as well.

The Power Of The Dog: http://www.readprint.com/work-970/Rudyard-Kipling

[Ozwest]

Sorry to hear that...I have done that as well.

The Power Of The Dog: http://www.readprint.com/work-970/Rudyard-Kipling

Thank you.

I'm going to finish the Chivas in her honor.

She was a champion.

[Ozwest]

lucius,

If I read that link I'll lose it.

Rudyard Kipling is appropriate 48 hours from now.

I sort of remember the text from earlier days.

I've bookmarked it.

Cheers. :)

[Ozwest]

I finished my bottle of Chivas.

May my beautiful border- collie live eternally in a paddock full of sheep!

[Nietzsche's Stache]

I finished my bottle of Chivas.

May my beautiful border- collie live eternally in a paddock full of sheep!

Hah! That's rough losing a life friend like that. My condolences.

Just to reiterate and clarify to avoid an unfair elitist label, I believe that if you show a personal interest in politics and making a difference and getting involved, you fundamentally show that you understand the potential impact of the power you possess as a citizen with the right to vote

In a nutshell, campaigns like "Vote or Die," fear based campaigns, etc., that move the apathetic into an emotional survivalist state is the greatest enemy.

The apathetic are naturally apathetic, and I'm okay with that--that's the way they are. The Neocons running the fear based campaign platforms are irrational, psychotically drunk with power and downright dangerous.

[H Roark]

I'd say I hold less respect for people who are willfully ignorant of politics AND vote, these are the sleeping masses that are voting for the neo-cons and swindlers that are pillaging our country. That is why I cannot stand "Get Out the Vote" efforts, because it matters not how many people vote but how informed each voter is.

[devil21]

Didnt read the thread but this is easy. Neo-cons. Hands down. At least ignorant (politically) people have an excuse. Neo-cons know what they are doing to this nation and dont care.