Clarification on my skepticism with the Campaign For Liberty

[rational thinker]

I made a thread (link: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=149849) on what I think is a problem with the Campaign For Liberty. Since most of the repliers misunderstood me, I want to make a quick clarification with a simple example:

Public schooling.

Ron Paul believes that the Department of Education should be abolished and many liberals and conservatives alike have misinterpreted this as meaning that he will abolish all public school education. Well, we know the truth of the matter and it is that he will simply let the local, grassroots communities decide on public school education. But if we have a libertarian at a local level government position, wouldn't he with his libertarian leanings abolish public school education at the local level? It seems that if we have libertarians in local positions, it would be useless to say let the states decide because the states would pretty much mirror the federal government (if Ron Paul were president).

I think libertarianism on a federal level is great, but I don't know about the local level. What about city services, such as garbage pick up? Would they disappear as well?

[ronpaulitician]

I think libertarianism on a federal level is great, but I don't know about the local level. What about city services, such as garbage pick up? Would they disappear as well?
Doubt it, and you can always run for a local office.

[CMoore]

In many municipalities, services such as garbage pick-up are private. If you want garbage pick-up, you pay for it. If you do not, you take care of your garbage yourself. My folks did not have garbage pickup because they could recycle and compost almost everything.

[evilfunnystuff]

I think libertarianism on a federal level is great, but I don't know about the local level. What about city services, such as garbage pick up? Would they disappear as well?

it would allow for competition thereby dropping prices

[evilfunnystuff]

Ron Paul believes that the Department of Education should be abolished and many liberals and conservatives alike have misinterpreted this as meaning that he will abolish all public school education. Well, we know the truth of the matter and it is that he will simply let the local, grassroots communities decide on public school education. But if we have a libertarian at a local level government position, wouldn't he with his libertarian leanings abolish public school education at the local level? It seems that if we have libertarians in local positions, it would be useless to say let the states decide because the states would pretty much mirror the federal government (if Ron Paul were president).

i would think the best way to achive this would be to start by simply allowing people to opt out of paying money into the system if they choose to not utilise the services.

this would allow parents to not have to pay for schooling twice if they choose to send there children to a private school or home school them.

not everywhere would do this at least not at first places like the socialist wasteland that is california would not go for it untill they see other states doing it and getiing better education at a lower cost

you should check out free talk live they discuss this type of stuff alot

http://freetalklive.com/

imo the hardest things to convince people on are military police education and roads but they are very good at breakin it down

[rational thinker]

imo the hardest things to convince people on are military police education and roads but they are very good at breakin it down
I may be putting words in your mouth, but from I what I understand of your point here is that it would be best to privatize the military and police as well? Is that what you're saying?

[evilfunnystuff]

I may be putting words in your mouth, but from I what I understand of your point here is that it would be best to privatize the military and police as well? Is that what you're saying?

that is the conclusion i would come to readin that as well i could have probly worded that better

i do think private police/protection forces would be better

the military is still somethin i am kind of iffy on but am starting to come around on but dont know if i would call it free market i think of it more as a militia but as i said i havent really got ahold of this idea all the way yet but am stating to see how a centralized standing army might not be best but this is something i need to study/consider more before i can really accept

i am not really prepared to attempt convince/sway others on these topics quite yet

mark and ian on ftl are very good at debating these points though they are very good at breaking down how the free market is better even on things such as these where it is hard for most people to even consider it and i reccomend checkin em out

ill see if i can find a couple of good clips from shows that they make good cases on these i know they had a good discussion on military just the other day

[Menthol Patch]

Libertarianism on a local level is great too. Of course I have nothing against the government maintaining the basic infrastructure I'm totally against local governments that are big, bloated, and wasteful.

[evilfunnystuff]

http://cdn4.libsyn.com/ftl/FTL2008-08-29.mp3?nvb=20080831071528&nva=20080901071528&t=0348dcf9c2e73d039b762

heres a link to a show where they discuss national defense its like the second topic