Ron Paul on Sarah Palin

[Rangeley]

For those who have been waiting for an answer, he was just on AM 1280 in Minnesota and was asked about her. He said it was a "shrewd" pick on McCain's part, and that she seemed like a good person who he hoped would help steer McCain in the right direction on limiting government and making it less invasive in people's lives. But he also said that you shouldn't "hold your breath" because McCain probably isn't going to be influenced like Bush was with Cheney.

He then went on to say he thinks people should vote for someone like Barr or Baldwin, rather then try and vote for the lesser of two evils, though he doesn't seem to have plans to endorse either (still.)

[RickyJ]

Yes, Palin will defintely have some sway over McCain.

McCain really likes former beauty contestant winners and would do just about anything for them. :D

[Jamsie 567]

Yes, Palin will defintely have some sway over McCain.

McCain really likes former beauty contestant winners and would do just about anything for them. :D

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080829/capt.9dd81bc962cc447c871f004648c18bf2.mccain_veeps takes_palin_ohss106.jpg?x=400&y=266&q=85&sig=Xn2.7FD_EBVrMPR3cR3K.Q--

Good boy!

[AlexMerced]

I'm voting for Barr, and hoping Palin runs in 2012, and get Ron or Rand Paul as VP

I think this is a realistic scenario

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I'm voting for Barr, and hoping Palin runs in 2012, and get Ron or Rand Paul as VP

I think this is a realistic scenario

Not likely. the VP is ALWAYS establishment. Noone clean gets the vp nod. no way

[ShowMeLiberty]

For those who have been waiting for an answer, he was just on AM 1280 in Minnesota and was asked about her. He said it was a "shrewd" pick on McCain's part, and that she seemed like a good person who he hoped would help steer McCain in the right direction on limiting government and making it less invasive in people's lives. But he also said that you shouldn't "hold your breath" because McCain probably isn't going to be influenced like Bush was with Cheney.

He then went on to say he thinks people should vote for someone like Barr or Baldwin, rather then try and vote for the lesser of two evils, though he doesn't seem to have plans to endorse either (still.)

Thanks for the post. I have been trying very hard not to have a knee-jerk reaction like some others here and elsewhere on the web, though so far I've seen Palin favorably. Nice to know Dr. Paul does too.

Still uncertain how (or if) I'll vote in November, but this is good info.

[ShowMeLiberty]

I'm voting for Barr, and hoping Palin runs in 2012, and get Ron or Rand Paul as VP

I think this is a realistic scenario

Palin is far more likely to run top-of-the-ticket in 2012 if she becomes VP this year. And far more likely to win in that case.

[forsmant]

Just remember who Obama is.

[Cali4RonPaul]

Bob Barr is an opportunistic sympathetic NeoCon.. And True Libertarians do not support him.. He is pro-war lets not forget that... Sarah Palin is no NeoCon but she may just be guilty by association.

[Jamsie 567]

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg151/LORIE_MEACHAM/PalinSarah.jpg

[BarryDonegan]

any appointable post is up to the most perversion by economic influence.

[0zzy]

fools.

[acroso]

Is that a photoshop'd image i assume?

[Menthol Patch]

Bob Barr is an opportunistic sympathetic NeoCon.. And True Libertarians do not support him.. He is pro-war lets not forget that... Sarah Palin is no NeoCon but she may just be guilty by association.

I agree with you about Bob Barr. I would never vote for him.

However, the fact is that Bob Barr (even though I don't believe he means it) is at least "somewhat" talking against the War on Drugs, the IRS, big government, and the War on Iraq.

Sarah Palin has remained silent.

[slacker921]

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg151/LORIE_MEACHAM/PalinSarah.jpg

If not photoshopped... hmm.. that'll be a fun one to send around to my evangelical friends. Our VP dressed like a ho. Nice.

[Indy Vidual]

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg151/LORIE_MEACHAM/PalinSarah.jpg
This is her Moose hunting outfit. :p

[familydog]

For those who have been waiting for an answer, he was just on AM 1280 in Minnesota and was asked about her. He said it was a "shrewd" pick on McCain's part, and that she seemed like a good person who he hoped would help steer McCain in the right direction on limiting government and making it less invasive in people's lives. But he also said that you shouldn't "hold your breath" because McCain probably isn't going to be influenced like Bush was with Cheney.

He then went on to say he thinks people should vote for someone like Barr or Baldwin, rather then try and vote for the lesser of two evils, though he doesn't seem to have plans to endorse either (still.)

I agree with everything he said.

[inibo]

Is that a photoshop'd image i assume?

Yes, and a very bad job of it I might add.

[frasu]

she hot no matter what:D

http://bp0.blogger.com/_HYyTF_voonQ/SGLqjB7MiaI/AAAAAAAAAVk/s_6o9_OtxHg/s400/93f2c8c75854882cabbd96123e63b86a.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3272/2811084880_60b78f6ec8.jpg?v=0
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3262/2810238763_45bd305d64.jpg?v=0
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3185/2810091616_4054882122.jpg?v=0

[Menthol Patch]

I think the men on here would vote for McCain if he had a sex change.

[Andrew Ryan]

I think the men on here would vote for McCain if he had a sex change.
http://z.about.com/d/womenshistory/1/0/n/A/barbara_bush_400.jpg

[frasu]

I think the men on here would vote for McCain if he had a sex change.

lol... that is crazy

[mudhoney]

Bob Barr is an opportunistic sympathetic NeoCon.. And True Libertarians do not support him.. He is pro-war lets not forget that... Sarah Palin is no NeoCon but she may just be guilty by association.

I've never seen anyone who claims Bob Barr is some great trickster running for president and lying about his stances on things simply for political gain tell me what political gain he could possibly achieve. Seriously, do you think he's setting himself up for the coming age when Ron Paul Republicans and Libertarians take over politics, and wants to be respected by them at that time just to abuse that power and go straight back to neo-conservative ways?

Does this really seem reasonable to you?

[syborius]

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg151/LORIE_MEACHAM/PalinSarah.jpg

This is exactly who we need as VP, she can sleep with all the heads of state, and in the process relieve a lot of tension, preventing world war III.

First stop: Russia/Putin
Mission: put a smile on his face

[skiingff]

Something tells me that Sarah Palin leans paleocon/libertarian but is some sort of hybrid.

"It's not clear what Palin thinks about foreign policy or many other national issues, though she has criticized the lack of a long-term plan for Iraq."
Time Magazine (http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837510,00.html)

"Pat Buchanan brought his conservative message of a smaller government and an America First foreign policy to Fairbanks and Wasilla on Friday as he continued a campaign swing through Alaska. Buchanan's strong message championing states rights resonated with the roughly 85 people gathered for an Interior Republican luncheon in Fairbanks. … Among those sporting Buchanan buttons were Wasilla Mayor Sarah Palin and state Sen. Jerry Ward, R-Anchorage."
The Nation (http://www.thenation.com/blogs/jstreet/350730/sarah_palin_buchananite)

I've also read Palin was nervous about her son enlisting in the U.S. Army, but respected his decision nonetheless. Plus, she praised Ron Paul.

[Menthol Patch]

Who cares if Sarah Palin supported Buchanan. The fact is Buchanan is a neocon who refused to support Ron Paul.

[MRoCkEd]

Who cares if Sarah Palin supported Buchanan. The fact is Buchanan is a neocon who refused to support Ron Paul.
Not everyone who doesn't support Ron Paul is a neocon. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neocon)

[Menthol Patch]

I agree. Not everyone who doesn't support Ron Paul is a neocon. Some of them are socialist big government monsters like Obama.

[MRoCkEd]

Pat Buchanan is not a neocon.

[Pauls' Revere]

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg151/LORIE_MEACHAM/PalinSarah.jpg

My brain shut off and said..."VOTE FOR ME"

:D

[Menthol Patch]

Pat Buchanan is not a neocon.

Then why did he not support Ron Paul?

The only Republican who could not support Ron Paul would HAVE to be a neocon.

[MRoCkEd]

Then why did he not support Ron Paul?

The only Republican who could not support Ron Paul would HAVE to be a neocon.
Well he disagrees with him on social policy, but agrees on american sovereignty and no foreign entanglements. If he was a neocon he would be all for overseas adventurism.

[Menthol Patch]

The way I see it if you don't support freedom and liberty on social issues you are still a neocon.

[haaaylee]

Then why did he not support Ron Paul?

The only Republican who could not support Ron Paul would HAVE to be a neocon.

How many times does this have to come up?

He is a political commentator.

Was his website being covered in Ron Paul not enough?

He even mentioned Ron Paul's Rally on TV the other day.

Sometimes i think you guys got all excited about learning what a NeoCon is that now everyone who isn't a Ron Paul Fanatic is evil.

It's somewhat childish and definitely annoying.

[inibo]

The way I see it if you don't support freedom and liberty on social issues you are still a neocon.

Have you been reading Lewis Carroll?


"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean – neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."

[0zzy]

STFU. STOP CALLING BUCHANAN A NEOCON YOU UNEDUCATED FOOLS!

Seriously, some people here are the most annoying shills in the political realm. Some of you act like everyone else, so partisan.

[Menthol Patch]

How many times does this have to come up?

He is a political commentator.

Was his website being covered in Ron Paul not enough?

He even mentioned Ron Paul's Rally on TV the other day.

Sometimes i think you guys got all excited about learning what a NeoCon is that now everyone who isn't a Ron Paul Fanatic is evil.

It's somewhat childish and definitely annoying.

No, we are not Ron Paul fanatics.

We are freedom fanatics.

I'm proud to be fanatical about freedom.

Anyone who does not support freedom is indeed evil politically.

[0zzy]

No, we are not Ron Paul fanatics.

We are freedom fanatics.

I'm proud to be fanatical about freedom.

Anyone who does not support freedom is indeed evil politically.

You don't read Buchanan's books otherwise you'd realize he is not a neocon. Saying WW2 could have been prevented? Anti-war? Anti-Russian aggression? Anti-NATO?

HE DIDNT SUPPORT PAUL HES A NEOCON WHO CARES IF IN HIS CONTRACT HE CANT ENDORSE ANYONE HES A NEOCON NEOCON NEOCON NEOCONNNNNNNN AHHHHHH

[rockandrollsouls]

I'm voting for Barr, and hoping Palin runs in 2012, and get Ron or Rand Paul as VP

I think this is a realistic scenario

LOL. Good one. She's not a real conservative, so you're voting for neocon lite.

[rockandrollsouls]

You don't read Buchanan's books otherwise you'd realize he is not a neocon. Saying WW2 could have been prevented? Anti-war? Anti-Russian aggression? Anti-NATO?

HE DIDNT SUPPORT PAUL HES A NEOCON WHO CARES IF IN HIS CONTRACT HE CANT ENDORSE ANYONE HES A NEOCON NEOCON NEOCON NEOCONNNNNNNN AHHHHHH

He all supports keeping military bases in most parts of the world. He might not be a neoconservative or neocon lite, but he's no Ron Paul Republican.

[0zzy]

He all supports keeping military bases in most parts of the world. He might not be a neoconservative or neocon lite, but he's no Ron Paul Republican.

He is? Since when did he say this? The Cold War is over, he says correctly, and yet we expand our military actions overseas.

[rockandrollsouls]

He is? Since when did he say this? The Cold War is over, he says correctly, and yet we expand our military actions overseas.

I've heard him say it in an interview with Ron on a Fox morning show I believe.

[tonesforjonesbones]

Pat Buchanan is NOT a neo con. Pat Buchanan said he wasn't endorsing anyone because if he did no one would listen to him anymore..as a political analyst. Pat Buchanan agreed with everything Ron Paul said and his official website had a special page for Ron Paul news on it. I love Pat Buchanan almost as much as I love Ron Paul. Sarah Palin is getting close to my heart also...people will fall in love with her. Most of the men are already head over heels. McCain made a BRILLIANT move. I like Bob Barr..but he has never excited me like Paul, Buchanan and now Palin. I am now undecided on who to swing my vote to. I am a woman who would be proud to have Palin as my VP...she is a class act. PS. I am a girly girl..lol..not gay. Dont' mistake it for "that kind" of love for any of the ones mentioned. lol...I admire women with MOXIE..and Palin has it. These 3 people speak truth to power..so does Barr. Tones

[Menthol Patch]

I wonder how the Christian ministers are going to get by with encouraging their congregations to vote for McCain when the VP has posed half naked for a magazine.

http://www.agoravox.fr/IMG/Sarah-Palin-Vogue.jpg

[Paulitical Correctness]

I've lost faith in Ron Paul supporters. I know the RPF doesn't represent the movement in its entirety, but what a bunch of shallow, horny morons.

The RPF I remember would've laughed you out of this place for even JOKING about voting McCain because he has a hawt veep pick.

/most epic of face palms

[Menthol Patch]

Pat Buchanan is NOT a neo con. Pat Buchanan said he wasn't endorsing anyone because if he did no one would listen to him anymore..as a political analyst. Pat Buchanan agreed with everything Ron Paul said and his official website had a special page for Ron Paul news on it. I love Pat Buchanan almost as much as I love Ron Paul. Sarah Palin is getting close to my heart also...people will fall in love with her. Most of the men are already head over heels. McCain made a BRILLIANT move. I like Bob Barr..but he has never excited me like Paul, Buchanan and now Palin. I am now undecided on who to swing my vote to. I am a woman who would be proud to have Palin as my VP...she is a class act. PS. I am a girly girl..lol..not gay. Dont' mistake it for "that kind" of love for any of the ones mentioned. lol...I admire women with MOXIE..and Palin has it. These 3 people speak truth to power..so does Barr. Tones

I hope Sarah Palin is not getting close to your heart as a politician, because if so then you are turning in a monster like McCain.

Anyone who likes Sarah Palin politically (personally is another matter) is an absolute monster just as bad as McCain.

Yes, I'm talking about YOU!

[Menthol Patch]

I've lost faith in Ron Paul supporters. I know the RPF doesn't represent the movement in its entirety, but what a bunch of shallow, horny morons.

The RPF I remember would've laughed you out of this place for even JOKING about voting McCain because he has a hawt veep pick.

/most epic of face palms

I totally agree.

Sarah Palin is a NEOCON and has NO track record of supporting freedom, liberty, or small government.

However, because is good looking so many people here are falling in love with her and supporting her.

It's absolutely insane.

The way I see it, the people who support Palin might as well go ahead and join McCain in his crusade to invade IRAN! They should go ahead and encourage their kids to join the military and beg Bush to invade China!

[dude58677]

NO WAY!!!!

1) She is not worth voting for because she supports the Iraq War.

2) Because even she speaks of "glass ceilings" show she doesn't see us as individuals and instead as groups.

3) The neocons need a wakeup call.

4) Obama needs to be in office so we can set up a RP Republican for 2012.

5) From a democrat perspective, anyone who picks a crony as a unqualified VP doesn't really care about the country.

6) The smirk by John McCain directed at Ron Paul during one of the debates was OFFENSIVE.

[0zzy]

You guys are truly, dumb. Especially Menthol Patch, I almost think you are a parody. A waste of life dontchya think? Or maybe you are truly just, vitriol.

[grizzums]

Some small tent RPFers, eh? Not surprised....and some wonder why the RPF crowd has their very own "glass ceiling".

[ronpaulitician]

You're either with us or against us.

[tonyr1988]

You're either with us or against us.

lol - if that was not sarcastic.....you used the worst possible wording EVER.

[ronpaulitician]

lol - if that was not sarcastic.....you used the worst possible wording EVER.
I would ask you to withdraw that comment.

[0zzy]

I would ask you to withdraw that comment.

Are you Bush?
"With us or against us"

[steph3n]

For those who have been waiting for an answer, he was just on AM 1280 in Minnesota and was asked about her. He said it was a "shrewd" pick on McCain's part, and that she seemed like a good person who he hoped would help steer McCain in the right direction on limiting government and making it less invasive in people's lives. But he also said that you shouldn't "hold your breath" because McCain probably isn't going to be influenced like Bush was with Cheney.

He then went on to say he thinks people should vote for someone like Barr or Baldwin, rather then try and vote for the lesser of two evils, though he doesn't seem to have plans to endorse either (still.)

I spoke to him in person today at the airport on his way to MSP :)

It was cool I was there at the lounge woke from a nap and he was there. Basically told the same thing, but he did mention not knowing where she stand on many important issues, and said he thinks Lieberman would get a high cabinet post and have more sway.........We talked about some other things to but everything isn't public(just some family things, that I don't want to start a debate about here) :)

[rockandrollsouls]

You guys are truly, dumb. Especially Menthol Patch, I almost think you are a parody. A waste of life dontchya think? Or maybe you are truly just, vitriol.

Hey, kid, shutup. You don't even look like you're old enough to vote. Might wanna finish high school before you try to sound like you know what you're talking about.

Menthol Patch is dead on.

[rg123]

Sarah Palin is a Dominionists. Given the fact that McCain has met her once I think Dobson and the evangalical made a trade off with McCain he gets the nod while the far extreme right gets
the vp. How could anyone pick someone to be the vp after meeting them once. It's insane.
Looks like a trojan horse for a theocracy. McCain is showing signs of dementia and is 72 yrs old and had cancer 4 times. He is a heartbeat away from her being the president.

[0zzy]

Hey, kid, shutup. You don't even look like you're old enough to vote. Might wanna finish high school before you try to sound like you know what you're talking about.

Menthol Patch is dead on.

Menthol Patch is posting a photoshop picture of Palin and saying she is "half-naked" and somehow equating that to hypocrisy.

Calling me a kid and, as I said before, acting very vitriol. You say things which are not true to somehow support your case. I'm old enough to vote, I finished high school, I know what I'm talking about. Get some facts before you try to put someone down.

[rockandrollsouls]

Menthol Patch is posting a photoshop picture of Palin and saying she is "half-naked" and somehow equating that to hypocrisy.

Calling me a kid and, as I said before, acting very vitriol. You say things which are not true to somehow support your case. I'm old enough to vote, I finished high school, I know what I'm talking about. Get some facts before you try to put someone down.

Show me a conservative record that you claim she has. Show me something so I can shoot it down.

And, I suggest you stop the insults on members that are actually voting for a good candidate. You might want to take your own advice about putting people down. Calling them "waste of life" isn't charming, and it's evident you have yet to make it to the real world. Get a job, move out, and start paying your own bills and then talk like an adult. I'll smash your smug attitude right back down to earth, kid.

[aravoth]

I wonder how the Christian ministers are going to get by with encouraging their congregations to vote for McCain when the VP has posed half naked for a magazine.

http://www.agoravox.fr/IMG/Sarah-Palin-Vogue.jpg

LOL, rofl!!!!!!!!! What the fuck man.....

[0zzy]

Sarah Palin is a Dominionists. Given the fact that McCain has met her once I think Dobson and the evangalical made a trade off with McCain he gets the nod while the far extreme right gets
the vp. How could anyone pick someone to be the vp after meeting them once. It's insane.
Looks like a trojan horse for a theocracy. McCain is showing signs of dementia and is 72 yrs old and had cancer 4 times. He is a heartbeat away from her being the president.

I'm not too sure she is as bad as others (Hagee and co). Alaska had a court ruling to give gays and lesbians benefits that heterosexual couples get and she signed it into law rather than vetoing it. Apparently, she has lesbian and gay friends, and Andrew Sullivan (the gay conservative) calls her less offensive then other Republicans.

[rockandrollsouls]

I'm not too sure she is as bad as others (Hagee and co). Alaska had a court ruling to give gays and lesbians benefits that heterosexual couples get and she signed it into law rather than vetoing it. Apparently, she has lesbian and gay friends, and Andrew Sullivan (the gay conservative) calls her less offensive then other Republicans.

Hitler was less offensive than Stalin. Don't use that logic; it's nonsensical.

Get a grip on reality, kid. We aren't playing lesser of 2 evils here. Her record is spotty at best. Your age is evidence you don't understand what a real conservative record is. She doesn't fit within this movement.

[0zzy]

Show me a conservative record that you claim she has. Show me something so I can shoot it down.

And, I suggest you stop the insults on members that are actually voting for a good candidate. You might want to take your own advice about putting people down. Calling them "waste of life" isn't charming, and it's evident you have yet to make it to the real world. Get a job, move out, and start paying your own bills and then talk like an adult. I'll smash your smug attitude right back down to earth, kid.

I'm not saying vote for her, hell I'm not voting for McCain! But when you post photoshop images several times over and over and over again and slam her saying "what would Christians think about this?" it's annoying and almost parody-like. I don't like talking points and I don't like when someone spams the same post in every thread about Sarah Palin. That's what Menthol is doing.

You, on the other had, need to take a chill pill. I am not advocating to blow up the government, just that Palin isn't the neocon you guys paint her as.

[user]

Buchanan is a conservative. That's not a compliment.

[rockandrollsouls]

I'm not saying vote for her, hell I'm not voting for McCain! But when you post photoshop images several times over and over and over again and slam her saying "what would Christians think about this?" it's annoying and almost parody-like. I don't like talking points and I don't like when someone spams the same post in every thread about Sarah Palin. That's what Menthol is doing.

You, on the other had, need to take a chill pill. I am not advocating to blow up the government, just that Palin isn't the neocon you guys paint her as.

So you won't be trying to back up what you say?

Typical teenage run-around.

[haaaylee]

Pat Buchanan is NOT a neo con. Pat Buchanan said he wasn't endorsing anyone because if he did no one would listen to him anymore..as a political analyst. Pat Buchanan agreed with everything Ron Paul said and his official website had a special page for Ron Paul news on it. I love Pat Buchanan almost as much as I love Ron Paul. Sarah Palin is getting close to my heart also...people will fall in love with her. Most of the men are already head over heels. McCain made a BRILLIANT move. I like Bob Barr..but he has never excited me like Paul, Buchanan and now Palin. I am now undecided on who to swing my vote to. I am a woman who would be proud to have Palin as my VP...she is a class act. PS. I am a girly girl..lol..not gay. Dont' mistake it for "that kind" of love for any of the ones mentioned. lol...I admire women with MOXIE..and Palin has it. These 3 people speak truth to power..so does Barr. Tones


Ugh.

[josephadel_3]

I just painfully read through this entire thread. What Ron said about her was dead on accuracte. A vote for McCain is a vote for 4 more years of Bush, which is pretty much the only accurate thing Obama has ever said. If you vote for McCain because he picked an attractive female as his VP, then I pity you. But hey, it's none of my business who you vote for. I'm not gonna get all fascist and demand you vote for Barr or Baldwin. Vote for whoever you want, just do a lot of thinking and soul seeking before you do, and ask yourself: Is voting for McCain, because he might die and that attractive female might take over really the right choice? If you answered yes to this, then so be it. I will continue to mourn your decision.

[christagious]

I wonder how the Christian ministers are going to get by with encouraging their congregations to vote for McCain when the VP has posed half naked for a magazine.

http://www.agoravox.fr/IMG/Sarah-Palin-Vogue.jpg

Are you serious? Looks like she's wearing a spaghetti strap dress, not half-naked.

[intelliot]

In case anyone doesn't already know, that Vogue magazine cover with Palin on it is a fake (http://kodiakkonfidential.blogspot.com/2007/12/sarah-in-vogue.html) (Photoshopped).

[ronpaulitician]

Are you serious? Looks like she's wearing a spaghetti strap dress, not half-naked.
The dress only covers her upper body in that image!

[Rangeley]

It's as compelling an argument against her as this is (http://thebrinkofreality.net/wiki/images/a/a3/Paul.jpg) against Ron Paul.

[rockandrollsouls]

It's as compelling an argument against her as this is (http://thebrinkofreality.net/wiki/images/a/a3/Paul.jpg) against Ron Paul.

a more compelling argument is her mediocre record.....which many people here fail to recognize.

[Rangeley]

a more compelling argument is her mediocre record.....which many people here fail to recognize.
The most compelling argument against her is that a vote for her is still a vote for McCain, and that you can have a clear conscience knowing you did not give your seal of approval to him when he launches an invasion of Iran, among other things.

[RP4EVER]

a more compelling argument is her mediocre record.....which many people here fail to recognize.

Then show us her record.....since you know so much about her record; point out what shes done so bad on.

[LinuxUser269]

Are you serious? Looks like she's wearing a spaghetti strap dress, not half-naked.

I like the glasses look!:cool: That still dosn't get McLame a vote .

[rockandrollsouls]

Then show us her record.....since you know so much about her record; point out what shes done so bad on.

I've posted, in numerous threads, many things she's done and proposed that are very contradictory to what the movement stands for. I'm not too interested in repeating myself again. If you think she is a good candidate and you plan on voting for that ticket, you could and should do the research before voting for it or supporting the ticket.

My issue is people here are quick to support her because they hear she "cut spending." Well, there are some important details in her record they are over looking, most likely because they didn't bother to research.

I did my research on her before I spoke out against her. I actually read up before I jumping to conclusions ;)

[ultimaonliner]

Some small tent RPFers, eh? Not surprised....and some wonder why the RPF crowd has their very own "glass ceiling".

Thank you for saying this.

It's stifling that RP supporters are being called trolls, idiotic, and derogatory names for wanting to discuss issues or express opinions that may not be in total 100% support for RP or to express an opinion of considering voting for McCaine or Obama.

These supposed supporters, like Menthol Patch, et al, are basically chasing away those who are undecided or do not agree with RP on 100% of his platform. These forum members defend their fantaticism, but all they're doing is shrinking the support for RP.

The Democrats and Republicans do what they can to compete effectively against each other by "pitching a large tent". These groups try to welcome new people who most definitely will not agree with anything close to 100% of their platform.

If you do support RP and his message, you should give it careful consideration on how your fanaticism effects those who want to discuss or learn about RP or other related political issues.

HINT: Even if the person you are talking to would agree to 100% of what you want to communicate, if you sound like a fanatic, they will most likely just want to move away from you. Calling anybody who does not agree 100% with you derogatory and insulting names, or accusing them of being trolls or idiots will NOT change their opinions or make them more likely to support RP's message. You will in effect be doing more real damage, than the perceived damage you feel that these "trolls" are causing by posting.

[DAFTEK]

This is for all the Palin hatters on RPF! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVHxIf_Y5YA&feature=related

[rockandrollsouls]

Thank you for saying this.

It's stifling that RP supporters are being called trolls, idiotic, and derogatory names for wanting to discuss issues or express opinions that may not be in total 100% support for RP or to express an opinion of considering voting for McCaine or Obama.

These supposed supporters, like Menthol Patch, et al, are basically chasing away those who are undecided or do not agree with RP on 100% of his platform. These forum members defend their fantaticism, but all they're doing is shrinking the support for RP.

The Democrats and Republicans do what they can to compete effectively against each other by "pitching a large tent". These groups try to welcome new people who most definitely will not agree with anything close to 100% of their platform.

If you do support RP and his message, you should give it careful consideration on how your fanaticism effects those who want to discuss or learn about RP or other related political issues.

HINT: Even if the person you are talking to would agree to 100% of what you want to communicate, if you sound like a fanatic, they will most likely just want to move away from you. Calling anybody who does not agree 100% with you derogatory and insulting names, or accusing them of being trolls or idiots will NOT change their opinions or make them more likely to support RP's message. You will in effect be doing more real damage, than the perceived damage you feel that these "trolls" are causing by posting.

Sorry, but many of us will not compromise by rallying behind a pseudo-conservative. We are not fooled by the guise of Sarah Palin, nor is Ron. If you've read the other threads regarding this and what Ron has said, he has advised against the ticket. He does, however, push his support in favor of Baldwin and Barr, both of which are not 100 percent in line with Ron's views. Though this is so, you don't hear many people talking them down like Palin. Why? Because they are more conservative than Palin will ever be.

You're right. We shouldn't penalize a rather good candidate if they aren't 100% in line with Ron's views, but Palin is far from it. She infringes on civil rights, extends government arm, supports an unconstitutional war, and proposes policy that interferes with the free market. She's more like 50% in line with the views of this movement, and I'm not willing to compromise my country or values for a candidate that is half assed, and even worse, a panderer to the top of the ticket that is more like 5% in line with our views.

The people here should know better than to vote for a ticket like this and if they do they either aren't researching or don't know what we stand for.

Forget the obvious Barr/Baldwin/Write in divide here....it's now us versus the phony conservatives.

[ultimaonliner]

Sorry, but many of us will not compromise by rallying behind a pseudo-conservative. We are not fooled by the guise of Sarah Palin, nor is Ron. If you've read the other threads regarding this and what Ron has said, he has advised against the ticket. He does, however, push his support in favor of Baldwin and Barr, both of which are not 100 percent in line with Ron's views. Though this is so, you don't hear many people talking them down like Palin. Why? Because they are more conservative than Palin will ever be.

You're right. We shouldn't penalize a rather good candidate if they aren't 100% in line with Ron's views, but Palin is far from it. She infringes on civil rights, extends government arm, supports an unconstitutional war, and proposes policy that interferes with the free market. She's more like 50% in line with the views of this movement, and I'm not willing to compromise my country or values for a candidate that is half assed, and even worse, a panderer to the top of the ticket that is more like 5% in line with our views.

The people here should know better than to vote for a ticket like this and if they don't they either aren't researching or don't know what we stand for.

Forget the obvious Barr/Baldwin/Write in divide here....it's now us versus the phony conservatives.

I wish everybody could make posts that are as constructive as yours. Posts like yours are far more effective than calling everybody who says anything nice about Palin a troll or worse.

[0zzy]

I wish everybody could make posts that are as constructive as yours. Posts like yours are far more effective than calling everybody who says anything nice about Palin a troll or worse.

It would be more constructive if they backed it up with facts.

[0zzy]

So you won't be trying to back up what you say?

Typical teenage run-around.

You have yet to have facts to back up what you are saying. Stop with your ageism and debate properly. You want reasons why I find her appealing to me? I will list them.

Why I like Palin:

Mayor:
-Reduced property taxes by 40%-60%
-Cut her own salary

Governor
-Stopped the Bridge to Nowhere
-Wanted Alaska to rely less on federal dollars
-Wants to drill for oil
-Investigates climate change, but not man-made or socialize problem
-Allowed for a natural gas pipeline to be built
-Because of the surplus she gave Alaskans $1,200 back
-Sued to get the polar bears of the endangered species list
-Uses veto power to make cuts in construction budget by $237 million. (#2 in AK history)
-Sold a state owned diary for $1.5 million
-Prohibited the implementation of the REAL ID Act
-Allowed for homosexuals to have the same benefits as heterosexuals via Supreme Court (Alaskan) ruling

Frankly, I like that she supported Buchanan in 1996 and (some say) 2000.

I like that she resigned from the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission (where she was a Ethics Supervisor) because of the corruption she saw. She made two corrupt officials resign for their office and one pay a $12,000 fine.

I like that, even though she's a creationist, she doesn't want to force schools to teach it. She would like both evolution and creationism to be taught, but she wasn't going to enforce it.

I like that she is very pro-life and pro-2nd amendment. I think these are two very important issues.

She has admitted to smoking marijuana, now hopefully she's not a drug warrior, but at least she admitted that she has done it before. (Unusual for Republicans) Though it wasn't illegal when she did it.

I like that, even though she supported Bush for the war in Iraq, she was one of the few to be concerned about an exit strategy. She's been one to question the long-term strategy in Iraq.

Now, I don't like that she's with McCain. Hopefully they don't mold her, hopefully they don't change her. If she is in office and McCain dies or leaves, I hope she becomes president and changes things. Maybe it's too much to ask, but I can believe a woman could of bypassed the Neocons. And I'm relieved she's not Lieberman. Is that so bad?

But this doesn't mean I'm voting for McCain. It just means that I like her. You continue to criticize me over and over and over again. Now, I want facts why you think she is a neocon. I want you to concede that Menthol Patch is either a parody or delusional when s/he keeps posting the same fake magazine cover over and over again as a negative, when it's clearly fake in the first place.

Can you do that? Or do you want to call me a kid again? Debate me, don't condescend me.

[rockandrollsouls]

You have yet to have facts to back up what you are saying. Stop with your ageism and debate properly. You want reasons why I find her appealing to me? I will list them.

Why I like Palin:

Mayor:
-Reduced property taxes by 40%-60%
-Cut her own salary

Governor
-Stopped the Bridge to Nowhere
-Wanted Alaska to rely less on federal dollars
-Wants to drill for oil
-Investigates climate change, but not man-made or socialize problem
-Allowed for a natural gas pipeline to be built
-Because of the surplus she gave Alaskans $1,200 back
-Sued to get the polar bears of the endangered species list
-Uses veto power to make cuts in construction budget by $237 million. (#2 in AK history)
-Sold a state owned diary for $1.5 million
-Prohibited the implementation of the REAL ID Act
-Allowed for homosexuals to have the same benefits as heterosexuals via Supreme Court (Alaskan) ruling

Frankly, I like that she supported Buchanan in 1996 and (some say) 2000.

I like that she resigned from the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission (where she was a Ethics Supervisor) because of the corruption she saw. She made two corrupt officials resign for their office and one pay a $12,000 fine.

I like that, even though she's a creationist, she doesn't want to force schools to teach it. She would like both evolution and creationism to be taught, but she wasn't going to enforce it.

I like that she is very pro-life and pro-2nd amendment. I think these are two very important issues.

She has admitted to smoking marijuana, now hopefully she's not a drug warrior, but at least she admitted that she has done it before. (Unusual for Republicans) Though it wasn't illegal when she did it.

I like that, even though she supported Bush for the war in Iraq, she was one of the few to be concerned about an exit strategy. She's been one to question the long-term strategy in Iraq.

Now, I don't like that she's with McCain. Hopefully they don't mold her, hopefully they don't change her. If she is in office and McCain dies or leaves, I hope she becomes president and changes things. Maybe it's too much to ask, but I can believe a woman could of bypassed the Neocons. And I'm relieved she's not Lieberman. Is that so bad?

But this doesn't mean I'm voting for McCain. It just means that I like her. You continue to criticize me over and over and over again. Now, I want facts why you think she is a neocon. I want you to concede that Menthol Patch is either a parody or delusional when s/he keeps posting the same fake magazine cover over and over again as a negative, when it's clearly fake in the first place.

Can you do that? Or do you want to call me a kid again? Debate me, don't condescend me.

- Helped pass a tax increase on oil company profits.
- Created a new sub-cabinet group of advisers to address climate change and reduce greenhouse gas emissions within Alaska.
- Proposed providing grants to electrical utilities so that they would reduce customers' rates.
- Proposed government handouts in the form of "Energy Cards."
- Signed into law largest operating budget in Alaskan history
- Left her town with large long term debt. ( That works about as well as Freddie Mac's instant gratification with risky mortgages ;) )
- Initially supported "Bridge to Nowhere."
- Kept federal funding from above.
- Interfered with Matanuska Maid Dairy. Similar to a small scale attempted bail-out.
- Supports government regulation in health care to "lower costs."
- Opposes Same Sex Marriage
- Supported a non-binding referendum for a constitutional amendment to deny benefits to same-sex couples.
- Supported the 1998 constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage.
- Does not support Marijuana legalization.
- Supported a controversial (government sponsored) predator-control program involving aerial hunting of wolves.
- Supports unconstitutional Iraq war and foreign policy.
- Supports death penalty legislation.
- Moderate on education issues
- Supports providing stability in regulations for developers.
- Supports funding the Seniors Longevity Bonus Program.


She didn't exactly set any big goals with her absurd budget, could have cut spending more, infringes on civil rights, extends government's arm, meddles in the market, etc. etc.

This indicates more of a moderate populist than anything else. Can you refute any of the above?

[Peace&Freedom]

She didn't exactly set any big goals with her absurd budget, could have cut spending more, infringes on civil rights, extends government's arm, meddles in the market, etc. etc.

This indicates more of a moderate populist than anything else. Can you refute any of the above?

Palin is not libertarian, yet to be fair a lot of that list includes things that are not black and white "compatible with Paul" or "not compatible with Paul" positions, but simply different shades of view. Paul opposes the death penalty at the federal level, but would permit different states to support their own. Paul supported the Defense of Marraige Act and is morally opposed to same-sex marriage. Paul and Palin apparently don't believe in the federal government imposing uniform embrace of the death penalty or homosexuality on a nation that is clearly half opposed to it. Palin supports the Iraq war but has called for a time-table for withdrawal. Like other executives she was often stuck with signing bills that were concocted by spendthrift legislators who would override the Governor's veto in any event. Are you saying a President Paul would never sign any trillion dollar budget Congress submitted to him?

[rockandrollsouls]

Palin is not libertarian, yet to be fair a lot of that list includes things that are not black and white "compatible with Paul" or "not compatible with Paul" positions, but simply different shades of view. Paul opposes the death penalty at the federal level, but would permit different states to support their own. Paul supported the Defense of Marraige Act and is morally opposed to same-sex marriage. Paul and Palin apparently don't believe in the federal government imposing uniform embrace of the death penalty or homosexuality on a nation that is clearly half opposed to it. Palin supports the Iraq war but has called for a time-table for withdrawal. Like other executives she was often stuck with signing bills that were concocted byspendthrift legislators who would override the Governor's veto in any event. Are you saying a President Paul would never sign any two trillion dollar budget Congress submitted to him?

I don't think he would sign the largest in the history of the country. :rolleyes:

You might want to refresh yourself on Ron's positions.

Anyway, your post hardly addresses the many faults of Palin. And, though she may not be a Libertarian, my laundry list shows she isn't even a Conservative. She's a populist leaning moderate....I think you, as well as the many touting her name, are forgetting what constitutes a real conservative.

[tajitj]

I'm voting for Barr, and hoping Palin runs in 2012, and get Ron or Rand Paul as VP

I think this is a realistic scenario

Exactly. If Barr gets a few million votes to show how serious small govt anti war conservatives are and Palin can show her true colors when she escapes from McCain, she might be a worthy candidate in 2012.

[american.swan]

Yes, Palin will defintely have some sway over McCain.

McCain really likes former beauty contestant winners and would do just about anything for them. :D

AH so if she sleeps with a grumpy old man she gets to run the country. ummmm

[revolutionman]

Palin is a false Idol.

Golden Calf.

You know what happens when you worship the Golden Calf. So don't do it. Just don't its really quite simple. There is no compromise. Compromising, sacrificing our values little by little here and there is how things have gotten so far out of control. Stop fking doing that. Save your willingness to compromise for your friends and family and maybe your coworkers, but not your politicians. If you flake on your values, you deserve what you get.

Her quick rise through the ranks in politics illustrates one simple fact. Shes a "team palyer". She does whatever her superiors want her to do. You really think shes gonna stop now? Hell no!

i know we've all been waiting for a VP we can rub one out to, but resist the temptation to support this Neo Con slag propped up as a true conservative.

please don't be so fking naive.

[werdd]

The only problem i have with palin is that she is drinking the climate change kool-aid.

Other than that, seems like libertarianism is gaining influence in the Republican party, directly or indirectly. Because the arguement can be made that she is just a ploy to get the women voting block, and that seems plausable.

I would think that any Supporter of Ron Paul, rather they will vote for this ticket or not(I wont be.), should be pleased.

[grizzums]

Sorry, but many of us will not compromise by rallying behind a pseudo-conservative. We are not fooled by the guise of Sarah Palin, nor is Ron. If you've read the other threads regarding this and what Ron has said, he has advised against the ticket. He does, however, push his support in favor of Baldwin and Barr, both of which are not 100 percent in line with Ron's views. Though this is so, you don't hear many people talking them down like Palin. Why? Because they are more conservative than Palin will ever be.

You're right. We shouldn't penalize a rather good candidate if they aren't 100% in line with Ron's views, but Palin is far from it. She infringes on civil rights, extends government arm, supports an unconstitutional war, and proposes policy that interferes with the free market. She's more like 50% in line with the views of this movement, and I'm not willing to compromise my country or values for a candidate that is half assed, and even worse, a panderer to the top of the ticket that is more like 5% in line with our views.

The people here should know better than to vote for a ticket like this and if they do they either aren't researching or don't know what we stand for.

Forget the obvious Barr/Baldwin/Write in divide here....it's now us versus the phony conservatives.

With an attitude like this, good luck with your movement....and no, I am not pulling the lever for the Rethugs nor the Dimwits.

Good Day.

[revolutionman]

i don't see whats wrong with that mentality.

seems on point to me.

No one should ever compromise their ideals.

Hold fast to your ideals, and the democratic process with do all the necessary compromising.

[grizzums]

i don't see whats wrong with that mentality.

seems on point to me.

No one should ever compromise their ideals.

Hold fast to your ideals, and the democratic process with do all the necessary compromising.

Does "not comprimising on ideals" mean that folks shouldn't reach out to try and educate Ms. Palin about the message of freedom and liberty? If that is so, then I'd say "not compromising" may hurt this movement grow to where it needs to be in order to become successful in transforming this party and this country. If "not compromising on ideals" means not pulling the lever for the Rethugs based on Palin as a VP pick, well then, I agree with that.

[BenMuldowney]

I wonder how the Christian ministers are going to get by with encouraging their congregations to vote for McCain when the VP has posed half naked for a magazine.

http://www.agoravox.fr/IMG/Sarah-Palin-Vogue.jpg


let it be known that menthol is a NEOCON... who else could be this stupid? dude.. go to littlegreenfootballs where you belong.

[DAFTEK]

let it be known that menthol is a neocon... Who else could be this stupid? Dude.. Go to littlegreenfootballs where you belong.


+1776

[Grandson of Liberty]

You have yet to have facts to back up what you are saying. Stop with your ageism and debate properly. You want reasons why I find her appealing to me? I will list them.

Why I like Palin:

Mayor:
-Reduced property taxes by 40%-60%
-Cut her own salary

Governor
-Stopped the Bridge to Nowhere
-Wanted Alaska to rely less on federal dollars
-Wants to drill for oil
-Investigates climate change, but not man-made or socialize problem
-Allowed for a natural gas pipeline to be built
-Because of the surplus she gave Alaskans $1,200 back
-Sued to get the polar bears of the endangered species list
-Uses veto power to make cuts in construction budget by $237 million. (#2 in AK history)
-Sold a state owned diary for $1.5 million
-Prohibited the implementation of the REAL ID Act
-Allowed for homosexuals to have the same benefits as heterosexuals via Supreme Court (Alaskan) ruling

Frankly, I like that she supported Buchanan in 1996 and (some say) 2000.

I like that she resigned from the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission (where she was a Ethics Supervisor) because of the corruption she saw. She made two corrupt officials resign for their office and one pay a $12,000 fine.

I like that, even though she's a creationist, she doesn't want to force schools to teach it. She would like both evolution and creationism to be taught, but she wasn't going to enforce it.

I like that she is very pro-life and pro-2nd amendment. I think these are two very important issues.

She has admitted to smoking marijuana, now hopefully she's not a drug warrior, but at least she admitted that she has done it before. (Unusual for Republicans) Though it wasn't illegal when she did it.

I like that, even though she supported Bush for the war in Iraq, she was one of the few to be concerned about an exit strategy. She's been one to question the long-term strategy in Iraq.

Now, I don't like that she's with McCain. Hopefully they don't mold her, hopefully they don't change her. If she is in office and McCain dies or leaves, I hope she becomes president and changes things. Maybe it's too much to ask, but I can believe a woman could of bypassed the Neocons. And I'm relieved she's not Lieberman. Is that so bad?

But this doesn't mean I'm voting for McCain. It just means that I like her. You continue to criticize me over and over and over again. Now, I want facts why you think she is a neocon. I want you to concede that Menthol Patch is either a parody or delusional when s/he keeps posting the same fake magazine cover over and over again as a negative, when it's clearly fake in the first place.

Can you do that? Or do you want to call me a kid again? Debate me, don't condescend me.

Well said, Ozzy. And thanks for the good run-down.

[nbhadja]

Forgot the part where she never spoke out against the Federal Reserve or the trillion dollar foreign policy.

[georgiaboy]

For those who have been waiting for an answer, he was just on AM 1280 in Minnesota and was asked about her. He said it was:

1. a "shrewd" pick on McCain's part, and that

2. she seemed like a good person who he hoped would help steer McCain in the right direction on limiting government and making it less invasive in people's lives. But he also said that

3. you shouldn't "hold your breath" because McCain probably isn't going to be influenced like Bush was with Cheney. He then went on to say he thinks

4. people should vote for someone like Barr or Baldwin, rather then try and vote for the lesser of two evils, though he doesn't seem to have plans to endorse either (still.)

Modified the OP.

QFT.

Thanks, Ron, for putting the McCain/Palin question to rest.

[DAFTEK]

Modified the OP.

QFT.

Thanks, Ron, for putting the McCain/Palin question to rest.

QFT! All that is, is a claim with no source, i doubt he said: MY DEAR PAULITES PALIN IS A NEOCON TRADER, VOTE BARR! :rolleyes:

[georgiaboy]

QFT! All that is, is a claim with no source, i doubt he said: MY DEAR PAULITES PALIN IS A NEOCON TRADER, VOTE BARR! :rolleyes:

No, unlike some, he actually uses grace and tact, and the wording of the OP sounds incredibly like exactly the way Ron would word something, and falls in line with his words, actions, and philosophies perfectly.

It also happens to perfectly agree with the quoted statement from his Raise the Rafters email sent out recently, and included in my signature.

If you question the OP's validity, that's your prerogative, as well as it's your prerogative to vote against our constitution as you see fit, which a vote for either Obama/Biden or McCain/Palin will do.

It's also your prerogative to continue baiting me, and admittedly I'll take it now and again, though less and less so going forward.

[Rangeley]

I stand by what I wrote. He neither called her a traitor neocon, nor said you should vote for McCain because of her.

[DAFTEK]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_jVMLZ-YrLY4/SLSqYpGTAyI/AAAAAAAAAA0/Hz-lmIve3RU/S1600-R/concomtitle.png (http://theconcom.blogspot.com/)






Sunday, August 31, 2008

Open Letter To Sarah Palin From A Constitutionalist (http://theconcom.blogspot.com/2008/08/open-letter-to-sarah-palin-from.html)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Dwzk3g-lB0

Gov. Palin,
Not long ago on CNBC's Kudlow & Co., you expressed uncertainty over the purpose of the office of the U.S. Vice Presidency. Before you embark on this history-making endeavor, please take care that you do know what it is the job of the Vice Presidency is for.
When you are inaugurated, you will take on oath that goes as follows:

I, Sarah Palin, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.
So many of our Vice Presidents in the past century--most notably Mr. Cheney, Mr. Nixon, and Mr. Truman--have forgotten this oath of office, almost as soon as it came out of their mouth. Recent history has seen a dramatic increase in the power of the office, quite contrary to the intentions of the Founders and the mandates of the very Constitution which gives life and authority to the office in the first place. This massive assumption of power and influence has even convinced our current Vice President that he is a "fourth branch" of government, allowing him to accrue a huge staff and budget that he feels is not accountable to the public.
The media is calling you the "anti-Cheney," because of your humble roots, energetic and likeable personality, and proven disdain for corruption and secrecy. As someone who has fought hard for reform and accountability in government in the great state of Alaska, as someone who has spoken out for integrity and liberty, and as someone who has in the past spoken highly of such sensible-policied fellows as Pat Buchanan and Ron Paul, I urge you, Gov. Palin, to truly become the "anti-Cheney" you have been dubbed as.
Please, turn to the Constitution and restore the prudent and modest office to what is was meant to do. The Founders did not intend for the Vice Presidency to be of great weight. Indeed, the first Vice President, John Adams, called it "the most insignificant office that ever the invention of man contrived or his imagination conceived." Thomas Marshall, the 28th Vice President, joked: "Once there were two brothers. One went away to sea; the other was elected vice president. And nothing was heard of either of them again." Even Harry Truman, who as Vice President assumed much more power and control than any of his predecessors, remarked that the job of the Vice Presidency is to "go to weddings and funerals."
And actually, they were quite right. The office of the Vice Presidency is accorded only one power by the Constitution: to cast a tie-breaking vote in the Senate (Article I §3). The Vice President is also to assume the office of the Presidency if the President leaves office, dies, or is unable to discharge the powers of the Presidency for some reason (Article II §1; Amendment XXV).
In 1788, James Monroe stated (http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/a1_3_4-5s2.html) that the Vice President "presides in the Senate, but has no vote except when they are divided. This is the only power incident to his office whilst he continues Vice-President; and he is obviously introduced into the government to prevent the ill-consequences which might otherwise happen from the death or removal of the President."
For an ambitious and hard-working person like yourself, this may seem rather boring, but there is a key role that you can play. Firstly, you can return the scope of power of the Vice Presidency to its constitutional limits, and return the liberty and tax money that the Vice Presidents of the past century have wrongly usurped. But secondly, and more important, you have the ear of the potential President, John McCain, and you can use your influence to convince him to attack the size, spending, powers, and tax demands of the federal government, and to return to a more prudent and humble foreign policy of armed neutrality, like the kind that George W. Bush campaigned on (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec00/for-policy_10-12.html) in 2000, and like the kind that our forefathers advised ("Peace, commerce and honest friendship with all nations--entangling alliances with none" ~ Thomas Jefferson).
We seem to have been sidetracked by "pork barrel" spending and "earmarks," but that is a problem that only makes up less than 1% of the entire federal budget, and few realize that when Congress adds earmarks to legislation, it does not increase the level of federal spending. Earmarks merely divert the taxpayers' money to the taxpayers--"pork" money simply comes out of money that would otherwise go straight to the already-bloated executive branch anyway. Cutting earmarks will not cut federal spending by one penny. So, we must go after not just "bridges to nowhere," but every single cent of federal spending that is not authorized by the Constitution.
The Founders advocated that we have a federal government with "few and defined" powers, as James Madison put it (http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/amendXs4.html) in Federalist Paper No. 45. This was codified in the oft-ignored 10th Amendment, which states that any powers not expressly delegated to the federal government by the Constitution, shall be denied to the federal government:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. Amendment X.
As Vice President, Gov. Palin, you can help ensure that a McCain administration doesn't just nibble around the edges of the budget, but quickly phases out any federal program that is not authorized by the Constitution, and returns the money that had been employed for such unsanctioned purposes to the people from whence it was stolen. You can also use your powers of suasion to help ensure that the people's money is not wasted on international welfare handouts (such as foreign aid and the subsidization of foreign militaries) or on needless and destructive wars. You can use your sway in the White House to make sure we aren't meddling in the internal affairs of or antagonizing other countries, and putting American lives and tax dollars at risk.
Gov. Palin, you have many policy stances to stake out and many views to define and refine in the coming months of your campaign with Mr. McCain. Please read, take to heart, and help advocate the Constitution, and not the ever-growing barnacles of unauthorized power that the offices you two are running for have become so encrusted with.
The "reform" and "change" that the American people really need, is a dramatically smaller and less intrusive federal government, lower taxes, and a foreign policy that allows for diplomacy and free trade with other countries, but doesn't surround them with military installments or subsidize corrupt regimes. The Constitution is the best guide for ensuring that Americans get this kind of a government.
The ball is in your court now, Gov. Palin. Please, don't let us down.

[rockandrollsouls]

Does "not comprimising on ideals" mean that folks shouldn't reach out to try and educate Ms. Palin about the message of freedom and liberty? If that is so, then I'd say "not compromising" may hurt this movement grow to where it needs to be in order to become successful in transforming this party and this country. If "not compromising on ideals" means not pulling the lever for the Rethugs based on Palin as a VP pick, well then, I agree with that.

If you took the time to read my post I said I will not compromise my values and ideals by voting for a ticket like that. I have no problem with educating.

[0zzy]

If you took the time to read my post I said I will not compromise my values and ideals by voting for a ticket like that. I have no problem with educating.

I am not voting for her, but I still like her even with the laundry list you posted. And to say she had the largest budget in Alaskan history is a bit unfair considering the rate of inflation, I'd like to see specifics on what was raised and what not before I judge it fully though.

She's no Ron Paul, I don't think there are any Ron Pauls other than Paul in office atm, but she's better then a lot of others. Sure, she is a social conservative, but she concedes with the court rulings to give benefits, she's not telling homosexuals they are going to burn in hell, etc. etc.

But ya... can someone tell Menthol to stop posting the fake picture. It's a bit ridiculous after the first 10 times of posting it.

[rockandrollsouls]

I am not voting for her, but I still like her even with the laundry list you posted. And to say she had the largest budget in Alaskan history is a bit unfair considering the rate of inflation, I'd like to see specifics on what was raised and what not before I judge it fully though.

She's no Ron Paul, I don't think there are any Ron Pauls other than Paul in office atm, but she's better then a lot of others. Sure, she is a social conservative, but she concedes with the court rulings to give benefits, she's not telling homosexuals they are going to burn in hell, etc. etc.

But ya... can someone tell Menthol to stop posting the fake picture. It's a bit ridiculous after the first 10 times of posting it.

So you won't be commenting on the laundry list I posted of her faults? It seems like everyone in favor of her just brushed it off.

[0zzy]

So you won't be commenting on the laundry list I posted of her faults? It seems like everyone in favor of her just brushed it off.

- Helped pass a tax increase on oil company profits.
I don't think raising taxes on oil is the biggest issue for me. It is true, a real free market capitalist wouldn't raise taxes, but she cut a lot of taxes too. She is not Obama or a democrat when it comes to taxes, I'd be concerned.

- Created a new sub-cabinet group of advisers to address climate change and reduce greenhouse gas emissions within Alaska.
So? She has a group to investigate an important issue, something she claims isn't man made? What is wrong with this?

- Proposed providing grants to electrical utilities so that they would reduce customers' rates.
A true free market capitalist wouldn't do this, but she had a surplus and used this money for a good use. She also gave the surplus to the citizens. She didn't raise taxes or borrow to do this action.

- Proposed government handouts in the form of "Energy Cards."
But she didn't, she gave each citizen $1,200 instead because, again the surplus.

- Signed into law largest operating budget in Alaskan history
Again, I'd like to investigate this further. Details on what was raised, what was inflation, etc. She also vetoed hundreds of millions in construction, second largest cut in Alaskan history.

- Left her town with large long term debt. ( That works about as well as Freddie Mac's instant gratification with risky mortgages )
This is bad, and I'd like, again, to investigate more into it. I assume the sports complex was the reason, and I'm not for socialized entertainment places, but in America it is nothing new. They didn't expect it to cost that much and now it won't be paid of til 2011.

- Initially supported "Bridge to Nowhere."
And then blocked it.

- Kept federal funding from above.
As opposed to giving it to the Iraq war?

- Interfered with Matanuska Maid Dairy. Similar to a small scale attempted bail-out.
A true free market capitalist wouldn't support socialized dairy farms, but she did in the end sell it.

- Supports government regulation in health care to "lower costs."
Free market doesn't support this, more information on it? There should be government deregulation as Paul suggest.

- Opposes Same Sex Marriage
So does Paul, at the state level. I don't think a piece of paper by the government saying that two people are married is an issue with me when the homosexual couples already get the same benefits as heterosexuals. Marriage shouldn't be socialized, as you point out with the sports complex.

- Supported a non-binding referendum for a constitutional amendment to deny benefits to same-sex couples.
And then signed into law those same exact benefits via supreme court ruling.

- Supported the 1998 constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage.
Paul did the same with the Defense of Marriage Act, again marriage shouldn't be a government socialized thing.

- Does not support Marijuana legalization.
I haven't read on either/or, but I'd like to know her position on medical marijuana prior to her going on the McCain campaign.

- Supported a controversial (government sponsored) predator-control program involving aerial hunting of wolves.
She shouldn't have, no man (or woman) is perfect.

- Supports unconstitutional Iraq war and foreign policy.
This is what I have faults with her, though I do appreciate the fact that she was worried about an exit strategy way before any one else (and especially against those NeoCons).

- Supports death penalty legislation.
Paul is against federal, didn't say anything about State. I am on the fence of the issue myself.

- Moderate on education issues
What's that mean?

- Supports providing stability in regulations for developers.
??

- Supports funding the Seniors Longevity Bonus Program.
Is that like SS?


There, I responded, point by point. Now are you going to ignore my list of virtues? You don't have to, just saying.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

- Helped pass a tax increase on oil company profits.
I don't think raising taxes on oil is the biggest issue for me. It is true, a real free market capitalist wouldn't raise taxes, but she cut a lot of taxes too. She is not Obama or a democrat when it comes to taxes, I'd be concerned.

Do you know what happens when you raise taxes on the oil companies? They pass it on to consumers. It's retarded.


- Created a new sub-cabinet group of advisers to address climate change and reduce greenhouse gas emissions within Alaska.
So? She has a group to investigate an important issue, something she claims isn't man made? What is wrong with this?

It's nota government issue. All of her buddies are now receving tax payer money.


- Proposed providing grants to electrical utilities so that they would reduce customers' rates.
A true free market capitalist wouldn't do this, but she had a surplus and used this money for a good use. She also gave the surplus to the citizens. She didn't raise taxes or borrow to do this action.

When you have a surplus, you cut taxes, you don't involve yourself in the economy. Government need not involve itself in the economy. One cannot emphasis this ENOUGH!


- Proposed government handouts in the form of "Energy Cards."
But she didn't, she gave each citizen $1,200 instead because, again the surplus.

But we are in a debt. A surplus in budget doesn't mean the state or country isn't in debt, it just mean that you spent less than what was allocated to your state. CUT TAXES. Wealth distribution = socialism.


- Left her town with large long term debt. ( That works about as well as Freddie Mac's instant gratification with risky mortgages )
This is bad, and I'd like, again, to investigate more into it. I assume the sports complex was the reason, and I'm not for socialized entertainment places, but in America it is nothing new. They didn't expect it to cost that much and now it won't be paid of til 2011.

Ah. She approved tax payer money to build a sports complex? This is highway robbery! She reminds me of Michael Bloomberg!


- Initially supported "Bridge to Nowhere."
And then blocked it.

Nice political maneuvering. She still supported it when it came up.


- Interfered with Matanuska Maid Dairy. Similar to a small scale attempted bail-out.
A true free market capitalist wouldn't support socialized dairy farms, but she did in the end sell it.

Sold it to one of her corporate buddies?


- Opposes Same Sex Marriage
So does Paul, at the state level. I don't think a piece of paper by the government saying that two people are married is an issue with me when the homosexual couples already get the same benefits as heterosexuals. Marriage shouldn't be socialized, as you point out with the sports complex.

Still proves she's not libertarian :)


- Supports unconstitutional Iraq war and foreign policy.
This is what I have faults with her, though I do appreciate the fact that she was worried about an exit strategy way before any one else (and especially against those NeoCons).

Way before Ron Paul? hm


- Supports death penalty legislation.
Paul is against federal, didn't say anything about State. I am on the fence of the issue myself.

Death penalty is institutional murder!


- Moderate on education issues
What's that mean?

Wants to expand public education.

[0zzy]

I stick by liking her, as does Ron Paul when he says "Sarah Palin sounds like a very good person and has a lot of good conservative credentials."

Her buddies are receiving tax payer money? Who did she hire and how long did she know them before hiring them? And a state government can not be involved in something like this, especially if Alaska is being severaly effected? What exactly did she do after this meeting with this group?

Don't be involved in a economy, check.

It is socialist to give everyone the same amount of money? It may be true, but it's not distributing unequally is it? Cutting taxes is indeed smarter, though. Good point.

Most cities are involved in sports complexes, it's nothing new. Doesn't mean I would approve it, but it's not equate to her being Michael Bloomberg.

And she still stopped the bridge to nowhere. That's like saying, Paul still supported the federal death penalty in 88!

Then Ron Paul is not a libertarian. In fact, it is not libertarian to have state marriages. You rail against other government involvement, what's the difference here?

Way before the general consensus among government officials and Americans, not like those of Ron Paul.

And the government prisons are institutional imprisonment? Maybe we should let the citizens decided the punishment.

Wish she would support tax cuts for private schools, but no one is perfect.

[rockandrollsouls]

Do you know what happens when you raise taxes on the oil companies? They pass it on to consumers. It's retarded.



It's nota government issue. All of her buddies are now receving tax payer money.



When you have a surplus, you cut taxes, you don't involve yourself in the economy. Government need not involve itself in the economy. One cannot emphasis this ENOUGH!



But we are in a debt. A surplus in budget doesn't mean the state or country isn't in debt, it just mean that you spent less than what was allocated to your state. CUT TAXES. Wealth distribution = socialism.



Ah. She approved tax payer money to build a sports complex? This is highway robbery! She reminds me of Michael Bloomberg!



Nice political maneuvering. She still supported it when it came up.



Sold it to one of her corporate buddies?



Still proves she's not libertarian :)



Way before Ron Paul? hm



Death penalty is institutional murder!



Wants to expand public education.

Thanks for answering that for me...you basically hit on everything I would have. Even though we just shot her down and proved she's a big government moderate Ozzy and others still support her. Might as well go support Obama or someone like Mitt Romney then :D Ozzy, you might want to refresh yourself on Ron's positions. Then again, you're still young and your demographic never admits they are wrong.

Aye...what a joke. At least some of us aren't blind.

[DAFTEK]

Aye...what a joke. At least some of us aren't blind.

QFT!

It's the other way around :p The minute Ron Paul says Paulin ;) is a neocon bitch thats when I'll throw my vote away.....The fact that he is reserved when confronted now by MSM about Paulin ;) shows he knows we need her on owr side....

Too many RP fakes on this forum now a day's, nothing like it was 10 months ago and it's clear that a new bunch of members with different agendas are using RonPaulForums for their own views....

[0zzy]

Thanks for answering that for me...you basically hit on everything I would have. Even though we just shot her down and proved she's a big government moderate Ozzy and others still support her. Might as well go support Obama or someone like Mitt Romney then :D Ozzy, you might want to refresh yourself on Ron's positions. Then again, you're still young and your demographic never admits they are wrong.

Aye...what a joke. At least some of us aren't blind.

Your ignorance is astounding. I never said she was perfect, but she is no Mitt Romney or Obama. Stop exaggerating to prove a point, an apparently much wiser man (or woman?) like yourself should learn how to properly explain yourself without connecting two unlike things together.

Did I say she was Ron Paul? I never said such a thing. I said I liked her, she is a decent person with a pretty good record (especially compared to other governors). Did I say I would vote for her? I never said such a thing.

Now, please, you should stop getting angry at the world. If you are looking for the perfect person you will forever be miserable. There are few and those who are elected have little say in government activities. To praise a person for their virtues does not mean I approve of their vices. I believe that her virtues outweigh her vices and as Governor she has been doing an excellent job.

But go ahead, exaggerate more and call me a Neocon big government McCain lover. You've been fun debating with, but you honestly are too cynical and condescending to appreciate this continuous debate.

The last thing I would ask you is to list all of the perfect elected officials there are in government today. Of course there is Ron Paul, but who else?

[JosephTheLibertarian]

- Helped pass a tax increase on oil company profits.
I don't think raising taxes on oil is the biggest issue for me. It is true, a real free market capitalist wouldn't raise taxes, but she cut a lot of taxes too. She is not Obama or a democrat when it comes to taxes, I'd be concerned.

- Created a new sub-cabinet group of advisers to address climate change and reduce greenhouse gas emissions within Alaska.
So? She has a group to investigate an important issue, something she claims isn't man made? What is wrong with this?

- Proposed providing grants to electrical utilities so that they would reduce customers' rates.
A true free market capitalist wouldn't do this, but she had a surplus and used this money for a good use. She also gave the surplus to the citizens. She didn't raise taxes or borrow to do this action.

- Proposed government handouts in the form of "Energy Cards."
But she didn't, she gave each citizen $1,200 instead because, again the surplus.

- Signed into law largest operating budget in Alaskan history
Again, I'd like to investigate this further. Details on what was raised, what was inflation, etc. She also vetoed hundreds of millions in construction, second largest cut in Alaskan history.

- Left her town with large long term debt. ( That works about as well as Freddie Mac's instant gratification with risky mortgages )
This is bad, and I'd like, again, to investigate more into it. I assume the sports complex was the reason, and I'm not for socialized entertainment places, but in America it is nothing new. They didn't expect it to cost that much and now it won't be paid of til 2011.

- Initially supported "Bridge to Nowhere."
And then blocked it.

- Kept federal funding from above.
As opposed to giving it to the Iraq war?

- Interfered with Matanuska Maid Dairy. Similar to a small scale attempted bail-out.
A true free market capitalist wouldn't support socialized dairy farms, but she did in the end sell it.

- Supports government regulation in health care to "lower costs."
Free market doesn't support this, more information on it? There should be government deregulation as Paul suggest.

- Opposes Same Sex Marriage
So does Paul, at the state level. I don't think a piece of paper by the government saying that two people are married is an issue with me when the homosexual couples already get the same benefits as heterosexuals. Marriage shouldn't be socialized, as you point out with the sports complex.

- Supported a non-binding referendum for a constitutional amendment to deny benefits to same-sex couples.
And then signed into law those same exact benefits via supreme court ruling.

- Supported the 1998 constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage.
Paul did the same with the Defense of Marriage Act, again marriage shouldn't be a government socialized thing.

- Does not support Marijuana legalization.
I haven't read on either/or, but I'd like to know her position on medical marijuana prior to her going on the McCain campaign.

- Supported a controversial (government sponsored) predator-control program involving aerial hunting of wolves.
She shouldn't have, no man (or woman) is perfect.

- Supports unconstitutional Iraq war and foreign policy.
This is what I have faults with her, though I do appreciate the fact that she was worried about an exit strategy way before any one else (and especially against those NeoCons).

- Supports death penalty legislation.
Paul is against federal, didn't say anything about State. I am on the fence of the issue myself.

- Moderate on education issues
What's that mean?

- Supports providing stability in regulations for developers.
??

- Supports funding the Seniors Longevity Bonus Program.
Is that like SS?


There, I responded, point by point. Now are you going to ignore my list of virtues? You don't have to, just saying.


QFT!

It's the other way around :p The minute Ron Paul says Paulin ;) is a neocon bitch thats when I'll throw my vote away.....The fact that he is reserved when confronted now by MSM about Paulin ;) shows he knows we need her on owr side....

Too many RP fakes on this forum now a day's, nothing like it was 10 months ago and it's clear that a new bunch of members with different agendas are using RonPaulForums for their own views....

You support her and you can't even spell her name. lol

It's Palin not "Paulin"

[0zzy]

You support her and you can't even spell her name. lol

It's Palin not "Paulin"

I spelled her name right I spelled her name right!

[rockandrollsouls]

Your ignorance is astounding. I never said she was perfect, but she is no Mitt Romney or Obama. Stop exaggerating to prove a point, an apparently much wiser man (or woman?) like yourself should learn how to properly explain yourself without connecting two unlike things together.

Did I say she was Ron Paul? I never said such a thing. I said I liked her, she is a decent person with a pretty good record (especially compared to other governors). Did I say I would vote for her? I never said such a thing.

Now, please, you should stop getting angry at the world. If you are looking for the perfect person you will forever be miserable. There are few and those who are elected have little say in government activities. To praise a person for their virtues does not mean I approve of their vices. I believe that her virtues outweigh her vices and as Governor she has been doing an excellent job.

But go ahead, exaggerate more and call me a Neocon big government McCain lover. You've been fun debating with, but you honestly are too cynical and condescending to appreciate this continuous debate.

The last thing I would ask you is to list all of the perfect elected officials there are in government today. Of course there is Ron Paul, but who else?

You're the only one that is ignorant here. Hell, she's more in line with Bill Clinton in the 90s than any real conservative! Is that what you want? Are you telling us you support someone who is closer to a Clinton's ideals than a Ron Paul's ideals? That's what I'm picking up. Yea, you still like her though she supports unconstitutional foreign policy, expanded public education, more cabinet positions, interference in the market, government subsidies, and tax increases on corporations. Sounds like another moderate democrat to me.

[georgiaboy]

FWIW,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gehe-I9WPeE
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=152610

Transcript, Ron Paul on Fox News 8/31/08:
Fox: 20 seconds, What about this McCain/Palin ticket?
RP: Well...it still hasn't made a lot of my supporters all that happy. I have to say that Palin sounds like a very good person and has a lot of good conservative credentials, but nonetheless things won't change. We still know what the foreign policy is going to be like and the monetary policy, so we can't get too excited.

[heavenlyboy34]

http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg151/LORIE_MEACHAM/PalinSarah.jpg

lol! Nice photoshop job! Needs some blending and light source adjustment though, plus a perspective adjustment on the head. :)

[0zzy]

You're the only one that is ignorant here. Hell, she's more in line with Bill Clinton in the 90s than any real conservative! Is that what you want? Are you telling us you support someone who is closer to a Clinton's ideals than a Ron Paul's ideals? That's what I'm picking up. Yea, you still like her though she supports unconstitutional foreign policy, expanded public education, more cabinet positions, interference in the market, government subsidies, and tax increases on corporations. Sounds like another moderate democrat to me.

Again, exaggerating again.

I'm saying she's good not perfect. And is there a list of elected officials who fit your view or do they not exist?

Take everything you said and times it by a thousandfold and I'd understand it would be more Clintonian, but it's not.

I like her for the things I listed. I would continue to debate you but I think it is moot at this point considering you will not change and anyone who is an inch away from the perfect line is a Democrat not worth liking.

[rockandrollsouls]

Again, exaggerating again.

I'm saying she's good not perfect. And is there a list of elected officials who fit your view or do they not exist?

Take everything you said and times it by a thousandfold and I'd understand it would be more Clintonian, but it's not.

I like her for the things I listed. I would continue to debate you but I think it is moot at this point considering you will not change and anyone who is an inch away from the perfect line is a Democrat not worth liking.

She's not even good. Since when are the things me and Joe detailed even GOOD. Can you answer that? Why is she good? Because she spent a little less than she proposed?

And she is Clintonian. Interventionist foreign policy? Check. Public education? Check. Expanded government? Check. Intervention in the marketplace? Check.

Ozzy, if you weren't so ignorant you'd see there are a few politicians that I think are great that aren't 100 percent in line with Ron, and I will be voting for the one I like most. But, there is a clear, mile long divide between these candidates that differ only slightly and a moderate like Palin.

And, Ron said recently he didn't know enough about Palin. But, I'm sure if he was shown what we've detailed and is informed of her stance on the war she would not be someone he'd endorse.

[american.swan]

You have yet to have facts to back up what you are saying. Stop with your ageism and debate properly. You want reasons why I find her appealing to me? I will list them.

Why I like Palin:

Mayor:
-Reduced property taxes by 40%-60%
-Cut her own salary

Governor
-Stopped the Bridge to Nowhere
-Wanted Alaska to rely less on federal dollars
-Wants to drill for oil
-Investigates climate change, but not man-made or socialize problem
-Allowed for a natural gas pipeline to be built
-Because of the surplus she gave Alaskans $1,200 back
-Sued to get the polar bears of the endangered species list
-Uses veto power to make cuts in construction budget by $237 million. (#2 in AK history)
-Sold a state owned diary for $1.5 million
-Prohibited the implementation of the REAL ID Act
-Allowed for homosexuals to have the same benefits as heterosexuals via Supreme Court (Alaskan) ruling

Frankly, I like that she supported Buchanan in 1996 and (some say) 2000.

I like that she resigned from the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission (where she was a Ethics Supervisor) because of the corruption she saw. She made two corrupt officials resign for their office and one pay a $12,000 fine.

I like that, even though she's a creationist, she doesn't want to force schools to teach it. She would like both evolution and creationism to be taught, but she wasn't going to enforce it.

I like that she is very pro-life and pro-2nd amendment. I think these are two very important issues.

She has admitted to smoking marijuana, now hopefully she's not a drug warrior, but at least she admitted that she has done it before. (Unusual for Republicans) Though it wasn't illegal when she did it.

I like that, even though she supported Bush for the war in Iraq, she was one of the few to be concerned about an exit strategy. She's been one to question the long-term strategy in Iraq.

Now, I don't like that she's with McCain. Hopefully they don't mold her, hopefully they don't change her. If she is in office and McCain dies or leaves, I hope she becomes president and changes things. Maybe it's too much to ask, but I can believe a woman could of bypassed the Neocons. And I'm relieved she's not Lieberman. Is that so bad?

But this doesn't mean I'm voting for McCain. It just means that I like her. You continue to criticize me over and over and over again. Now, I want facts why you think she is a neocon. I want you to concede that Menthol Patch is either a parody or delusional when s/he keeps posting the same fake magazine cover over and over again as a negative, when it's clearly fake in the first place.

Can you do that? Or do you want to call me a kid again? Debate me, don't condescend me.

GREAT!!! POST!!! I like Palin too in many ways. Your post is fantastic. And I also agree that I would never vote for McCain/Palin.

GREAT POST.

[0zzy]

She's not even good. Since when are the things me and Joe detailed even GOOD. Can you answer that? Why is she good? Because she spent a little less than she proposed?

And she is Clintonian. Interventionist foreign policy? Check. Public education? Check. Expanded government? Check. Intervention in the marketplace? Check.

Ozzy, if you weren't so ignorant you'd see there are a few politicians that I think are great that aren't 100 percent in line with Ron, and I will be voting for the one I like most. But, there is a clear, mile long divide between these candidates that differ only slightly and a moderate like Palin.

And, Ron said recently he didn't know enough about Palin. But, I'm sure if he was shown what we've detailed and is informed of her stance on the war she would not be someone he'd endorse.

I posted why I liked her, you could re-read it.

I was simply challenging you if you knew of any other politician besides Ron Paul who were so great in your view, but I assumed correctly there are none. I am not ignorant for asking such a question.

I don't understand your last sentence. A mile long divide between Obama/Biden/McCain and a moderate like Palin?

And again, I never said Palin is 100%, I said she was good (again for the listed reasons I put). Hell, I think Dennis Kucinich is good because of his foreign policy and civil libertarian views. Doesn't mean I like his economic policies. Murray Rothbard, an anarcho-capitalist, voted and worked for Adlai Stevenson in 1956 strictly because his foreign policy. He thought, even though he disagreed heavily with his domestic policies, he was good enough to work and vote for because of his foreign policy.

I believe Palin is good because of the things I listed, I believe she has been doing a good job as Governor. If she was running with Pat Buchanan instead of McCain I'd even vote for her (which isn't too barbaric because she did vote for him in 96 and 00, a candidate in 92 who Ron Paul, Murray Rothbard, and Lew Rockwell worked and voted for instead of Paul running for president again).

[NMCB3]

Not likely. the VP is ALWAYS establishment. Noone clean gets the vp nod. no wayAlthough Palin is not the VP yet, she was the Mayor of my town and now my Governor. All I can say is that she is very anti-establishment when it comes to Alaska politics and the Alaskan good old boy republican party in particular. She is sort of a conservative/ populist hybrid if that makes any sense. I dont like her socialistic policy's but I can say that she believes she is doing the right thing for Alaska. I also realize that concentration camp guards in Nazi Germany felt they were doing what was right for the fatherland, and we all know how that worked out. Needless to say she does not have my vote, but as far as being some establishment puppet..no way. Could she be corrupted over time,,,maybe.

[rockandrollsouls]

GREAT!!! POST!!! I like Palin too in many ways. Your post is fantastic. And I also agree that I would never vote for McCain/Palin.

GREAT POST.

So you refuse to acknowledge my post regarding counter arguments to many of the things Ozzy posted? Ignorant.

[0zzy]

So you refuse to acknowledge my post regarding counter arguments to many of the things Ozzy posted? Ignorant.

So you refuse to acknowledge my post regarding the counter arguments to many of things RockandRollSouls and MentholPatch posted? Ignorant.

Respond to my last post, about Murray Rothbard and the bunch.

[rockandrollsouls]

So you refuse to acknowledge my post regarding the counter arguments to many of things RockandRollSouls and MentholPatch posted? Ignorant.

Respond to my last post, about Murray Rothbard and the bunch.

You didn't post a counter argument to what I and Joe posted. You said "Oh well I still like her."

What about her should turn true conservatives on to her keeping in mind the list I posted and the explanation posted by Joe? You're not telling me this.

[newyearsrevolution08]

well you all need to counter argument what he said about him when it was her that said what it was about that other guy.

wtf are you guys even trying to prove here lol

[0zzy]

I stick by liking her, as does Ron Paul when he says "Sarah Palin sounds like a very good person and has a lot of good conservative credentials."

Her buddies are receiving tax payer money? Who did she hire and how long did she know them before hiring them? And a state government can not be involved in something like this, especially if Alaska is being severaly effected? What exactly did she do after this meeting with this group?

Don't be involved in a economy, check.

It is socialist to give everyone the same amount of money? It may be true, but it's not distributing unequally is it? Cutting taxes is indeed smarter, though. Good point.

Most cities are involved in sports complexes, it's nothing new. Doesn't mean I would approve it, but it's not equate to her being Michael Bloomberg.

And she still stopped the bridge to nowhere. That's like saying, Paul still supported the federal death penalty in 88!

Then Ron Paul is not a libertarian. In fact, it is not libertarian to have state marriages. You rail against other government involvement, what's the difference here?

Way before the general consensus among government officials and Americans, not like those of Ron Paul.

And the government prisons are institutional imprisonment? Maybe we should let the citizens decided the punishment.

Wish she would support tax cuts for private schools, but no one is perfect.


You didn't post a counter argument to what I and Joe posted. You said "Oh well I still like her."

What about her should turn true conservatives on to her keeping in mind the list I posted and the explanation posted by Joe? You're not telling me this.

Actually, I did.

Now, please respond to my post about Murray Rothbard's support of Adlai Stevenson and Rothbard+Rockwell+Paul's support of Buchanan, a man who is not perfect himself, in 1992.

[newyearsrevolution08]

Actually, I did.

Now, please respond to my post about Murray Rothbard's support of Adlai Stevenson and Rothbard+Rockwell+Paul's support of Buchanan, a man who is not perfect himself, in 1992.

1992....

what about what that other guy said in 1942?

or that issue in 1917?

what about that as well?

[0zzy]

1992....

what about what that other guy said in 1942?

or that issue in 1917?

what about that as well?

1952, actually. Rothbard, an idol by many libertarians and conservatives for his views, especially among the Mises and Ron Paul crowd, supported someone who RockandRollSouls and MentholPatch would reject outright. He was not a perfect candidate, but he was good on foreign policy to support.

In 1992 Lew and crew supported Buchanan, someone RockandRollSouls and MentholPatch would reject for his non-libertarian views, but people they respect worked for.

I am still waiting for RockandRollSouls to reject MentholPatch, because RaRS said everything MP was absolutely true when MP posted a photoshop picture of Palin and calling it hypocritical several times.

RaRS continues to condescend me and at one point said I can't admit my mistakes, when s/he themselves have yet to denounce their "everything MP is saying is correct" statement.

[rockandrollsouls]

1952, actually. Rothbard, an idol by many libertarians and conservatives for his views, especially among the Mises and Ron Paul crowd, supported someone who RockandRollSouls and MentholPatch would reject outright. He was not a perfect candidate, but he was good on foreign policy to support.

In 1992 Lew and crew supported Buchanan, someone RockandRollSouls and MentholPatch would reject for his non-libertarian views, but people they respect worked for.

I am still waiting for RockandRollSouls to reject MentholPatch, because RaRS said everything MP was absolutely true when MP posted a photoshop picture of Palin and calling it hypocritical several times.

RaRS continues to condescend me and at one point said I can't admit my mistakes, when s/he themselves have yet to denounce their "everything MP is saying is correct" statement.

Where did I even mention the photo MP posted? You're pulling random information out of your ass.

Rothbard isn't a politician...what in the hell are you talking about?

Buchanan wasn't talking about keeping bases in other countries in '92. You're not even old enough to know what he campaigned on then. Do you have any idea what you are saying?

[DAFTEK]

You support her and you can't even spell her name. lol

It's Palin not "Paulin"

Again you're socialist colors are bright as ever, i spelled her name correctly HENCE THE WINK ;) Paul likes Palin likes Paul [personal insult redacted by Moderator]

[steph3n]

1952, actually. Rothbard, an idol by many libertarians and conservatives for his views, especially among the Mises and Ron Paul crowd, supported someone who RockandRollSouls and MentholPatch would reject outright. He was not a perfect candidate, but he was good on foreign policy to support.

In 1992 Lew and crew supported Buchanan, someone RockandRollSouls and MentholPatch would reject for his non-libertarian views, but people they respect worked for.

I am still waiting for RockandRollSouls to reject MentholPatch, because RaRS said everything MP was absolutely true when MP posted a photoshop picture of Palin and calling it hypocritical several times.

RaRS continues to condescend me and at one point said I can't admit my mistakes, when s/he themselves have yet to denounce their "everything MP is saying is correct" statement.

some of these people are so diehard they wouldn't vote for ron paul either

[rockandrollsouls]

some of these people are so diehard they wouldn't vote for ron paul either

Look at her "On the Issues" Chart if you need any more proof. She's basically borderline moderate leaning populist.

[literatim]

I would probably vote Palin if it was just Palin, but I won't vote for McCain.

[Conza88]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_O_fYgjTdQ

Ron Paul says he's never met her.... LOL.

She obviously never had an impact.

[DAFTEK]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_O_fYgjTdQ

Ron Paul says he's never met her.... LOL.

She obviously never had an impact.

:rolleyes::eek:;)

http://palintology.com/thumbs/palin-paul.jpg

[steph3n]

:rolleyes::eek:;)

http://palintology.com/thumbs/palin-paul.jpg

really means nothing at all, I spoke to him 5 times and had a pic with him but it doesn't mean I met him....till the other day :D

a photoop and hello is NOT MEETING someone.

[Conza88]

:rolleyes::eek:;)

http://palintology.com/thumbs/palin-paul.jpg

That is my EXACT point. Thank you. I know that picture existed. My origional comment stands - she obviously didn't have an impact at all.

Or are you saying Rp intentionally lied? :rolleyes::eek:;)

[user]

If you listened to her fascist speech at the convention you must be crazy to still want to vote for her.

[DAFTEK]

If you listened to her fascist speech at the convention you must be crazy to still want to vote for her.

I need to be put in a hospital then.... :rolleyes:

[newyearsrevolution08]

:rolleyes::eek:;)

http://palintology.com/thumbs/palin-paul.jpg

Wow she must of just had a tan or that is a fake ass picture..

didn't know you can tan so well in alaska

sweet

colors seem just a TAD off don't they?

[newyearsrevolution08]

I need to be put in a hospital then.... :rolleyes:

+1

[DAFTEK]

+1

:rolleyes: It's just a matter of time before you and the Obama dummy's will be on RPF... This is now about Liberty moving on beyond RPF.... ;)

Soon they might just make you a moderator here :p

[user]

I need to be put in a hospital then.... :rolleyes:
So you liked her speech, especially the part ridiculing the reading of rights?

[JosephTheLibertarian]

:rolleyes: It's just a matter of time before you and the Obama dummy's will be on RPF... This is now about Liberty moving on beyond RPF.... ;)

Soon they might just make you a moderator here :p

They won't ever make me mod. They know I'm unbiased and impartial, it bothers them. hehe

[DAFTEK]

So you liked her speech, especially the part ridiculing the reading of rights?

Yes & No... :o

[DAFTEK]

They won't ever make me mod. They know I'm unbiased and impartial, it bothers them. hehe

They wont be around to approve anything anyway... ;)

[josephadel_3]

I read Gholiani's comments on Palin at the convention in the paper. Anyone else? What a giant turd....