Another way to look at it: War in Iraq or Commies on our Shores?

[Rhys]

Would you rather be communist or finish the war? If you had to chose (which you don't).

I chose finish the war if I had to choose.

[RockEnds]

I wasn't aware that

1) we are fighting commies in Iraq

2) commies stand a chance of a successful military invasion of the US.

[Rhys]

mccain v obama

now you are

[RockEnds]

mccain v obama

now you are

Aha. Who says McCain isn't a commie?

[Rhys]

Aha. Who says McCain isn't a commie?

lol i dunno.

[slothman]

Mu.
That is neither, life is not dictomoness.

[powerofreason]

Here's the thing: If Obama gets elected we will get national healthcare, and it will never go away. Thats enough to make me leave this country right there. So, while they both obviously suck hardcore, I prefer McCain to Obama. If you listened to Obama's acceptance speech at the DNC, the socialist slogans were pretty blatant.

So basically what I'm saying is National Socialism > Communism

:(

[freelance]

Would you rather be communist or finish the war? If you had to chose (which you don't).

I chose finish the war if I had to choose.

I'm afraid we're beyond a choice. Looks like we might get both.

[freelance]

Here's the thing: If Obama gets elected we will get national healthcare, and it will never go away. Thats enough to make me leave this country right there. So, while they both obviously suck hardcore, I prefer McCain to Obama. If you listened to Obama's acceptance speech at the DNC, the socialist slogans were pretty blatant.

So basically what I'm saying is National Socialism > Communism

:(

Do you remember how John Edwards used to say that we'd HAVE to go to the doctor once a year--a FEDERALIZED doctor. These people do not GET that this national healthcare is going to involve all sorts of invasive procedures and mandated vaccines. Get your passport renewed if it's out of date.

[powerofreason]

Do you remember how John Edwards used to say that we'd HAVE to go to the doctor once a year--a FEDERALIZED doctor. These people do not GET that this national healthcare is going to involve all sorts of invasive procedures and mandated vaccines. Get your passport renewed if it's out of date.

Socialized medicine has been a complete disaster where it has been implemented. These people think to themselves, hey, some Americans don't have healthcare, this is bad. It must be the market's fault. Lets steal from people who have been successful to enrich the folks that we're trying to get to vote for us. Yea! These people do not get it. They have no concept of freedom whatsoever. Just another reason why leftists suck.

[Dorfsmith]

Hey, let's change it a little:

World War III or commies on our shores.

I'm voting for none of the above :D

[RockEnds]

Socialized medicine has been a complete disaster where it has been implemented. These people think to themselves, hey, some Americans don't have healthcare, this is bad. It must be the market's fault. Lets steal from people who have been successful to enrich the folks that we're trying to get to vote for us. Yea! These people do not get it. They have no concept of freedom whatsoever. Just another reason why leftists suck.

John McCain plans to steal your money, give it to defense contractors, then probably draft your sons and daughters and vaccinate them right before he sends them to kill or be killed.

This is a good option how?

Edit: Oh, and while he's at it, he's going to give illegal immigrants amnesty. Cheers.

[Dorfsmith]

Seriously. Look at McCains record. There was a time when he would have been considered a communist.

[MGreen]

War in Iraq or Commies on our Shores? With Obama, we get both!

[Akus]

Would you rather be communist or finish the war? If you had to chose (which you don't).

I chose finish the war if I had to choose.

This is a great logic right there? And I imagine there are only two choices: either you're a communist or a true dedicated fighter......

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Would you rather be communist or finish the war? If you had to chose (which you don't).

I chose finish the war if I had to choose.

I would've been the guy that flees the country. I would have probably tried to find a way to America or maybe just jump the border to Norway or Sweden. In WW2 I would have found a way to America. The hell with that!

[powerofreason]

John McCain plans to steal your money, give it to defense contractors, then probably draft your sons and daughters and vaccinate them right before he sends them to kill or be killed.

This is a good option how?

Edit: Oh, and while he's at it, he's going to give illegal immigrants amnesty. Cheers.

Far less money will go to defense contractors then would go to a national healthcare plan under Obama. Obama and McCain's foreign policy are really not different. With Obama you get the defense spending and national healthcare.

As far as a draft goes, it will never happen. They could run the biggest propaganda campaign ever to convince the public to go along and people still wouldn't support it. Its an incredibly unpopular idea. And Obama is gonna give immigrants amnesty as well. So how is Obama better again?

[RockEnds]

Far less money will go to defense contractors then would go to a national healthcare plan under Obama. Obama and McCain's foreign policy are really not different. With Obama you get the defense spending and national healthcare.

As far as a draft goes, it will never happen. They could run the biggest propaganda campaign ever to convince the public to go along and people still wouldn't support it. Its an incredibly unpopular idea. And Obama is gonna give immigrants amnesty as well. So how is Obama better again?

I never said Obama was better. I wouldn't vote for either one of them under any circumstances.

The draft has happened before, and it wasn't exactly popular then, either.

[SLSteven]

If Obama gets elected we will get national healthcare, and it will never go away. Thats enough to make me leave this country right there.

Where will you go? Just looking for ideas...

[powerofreason]

Where will you go? Just looking for ideas...

Good question. Hows Mexico these days? :p

[SLSteven]

Good question. Hows Mexico these days? :p

From a freedom point of view...terrible. Looks like we have to make a stand here.

[newyearsrevolution08]

national healthcare will make you LEAVE? LOL

wow...

nothing like giving up to seal the deal

apathy here they come.

Here is a thought, keep fighting for OUR COUNTRY back instead of caving to the bullshit?

Or even better, national health care WILL help collapse our country because we can't keep this shit going forever. Why don't we let ourselves collapse and take her back?

[jbuttell]

It's obvious that there are people on here that lean more or less toward the republican or democrat side here. The bottom line is, both candidates vow to continue the iraq war without any definite withdrawal conditions. If you believe Obama is going to pull them out with anymore haste than McCain - I'd be very interested to see where you came up with that line. Obama has never been specific here.

Recently I was having a friendly political dicussion with a coworker. He explained to me how when he was in Canada when Bush was being sworn in, the Canadian people he was with expressed how since a Republican was now in office, they'ed certainly start a war. He expressed that he couldn't really disagree with them, stating that virtually all wars were initiated by Republicans.

Thumbing through a bit of history, I was a bit baffled by this. I mean, during Bill Clinton's time in office, we had bit of military intervention. Nothing near the scale Iraq, but Bill Clinton and Gore sure talked it up about Sadam's WMDs and how necessary that the US act. Then of course George Bush originally took us into Desert Storm.

But then what about the large military conflicts, such as Vietnam? Why is it that as a kid growing up, the corrupt face of Nixon was associated so heavily with the failure of the Vietnam war, when it was LBJ (A democrat) that really got us involved?

What about WWII? Another Democrat in office.

I'm not highlighting the fact that Democrats were in office during the start of these major wars to place blame, but I can't help but wonder why Republicans are recognized as the 'War' party, and the Democrat's get off clean, like they're some sort of angels, work'n for the little man.

Obama supporters that are here - wake up, he's an interventionalist when politically correct. McCain people here, wake up - he's a socialist just like Obama.

Maybe we can't unite behind any particular 3rd party candidate, but we should at least vow to never support either of these two candidates - despite how hard they try to fool you into getting your vote with a few empty promises.

[RockEnds]

I don't understand why anyone would think John McCain is any more opposed to social programs than Obama. Has McCain spent even a day of his life without being the recipient of some government benefit or another? If he has, I am not aware of the day. From cradle to grave, the government has provided benefits to John McCain. What makes him such a conservative saint?

[RonPaulVolunteer]

Socialized medicine has been a complete disaster where it has been implemented.

Umm, that would be most of the WORLD, and no, it has not been a disaster at all.

[Rhys]

I don't understand why anyone would think John McCain is any more opposed to social programs than Obama. Has McCain spent even a day of his life without being the recipient of some government benefit or another? If he has, I am not aware of the day. From cradle to grave, the government has provided benefits to John McCain. What makes him such a conservative saint?

Im not supporting McCain but it's not like he's getting 'benefits' any other employ wouldn't get. He's had government jobs so he gets government benefits.

[RockEnds]

Im not supporting McCain but it's not like he's getting 'benefits' any other employ wouldn't get. He's had government jobs so he gets government benefits.

I'm not saying he didn't work for his government health care. And of course, his father worked for his government health care as well. I'm just trying to point out that McCain has never experienced life without government health care, and somehow, he is our great hope to avoid it? Not only that, he's quite friendly with the democrats. If the race came down to Obama vs Paul, I'm willing to bet McCain would cast his vote for Obama. I just don't see that there is a dime's worth of difference between the two candidates. (Obama & McCain, that is.)

[SLSteven]

If the race came down to Obama vs Paul, I'm willing to bet McCain would cast his vote for Obama.

I knew we shouldn't trust McCain.

[Micah Dardar]

Hmmm..... health care for Americans, or more wars overseas? Well, if we would have to choose, I would choose spending that money on our own.

It really doesn't matter anyways. Can anyone say 2012? Do we lose it all or restart the circle?

[constituent]

Hmmm..... health care for Americans, or more wars overseas?


I assure you that never in your life will you see one without the other. war is how we earn our keep.

...and on gov't "health care," are you really comfortable w/ the pres., or anyone else for that matter, having complete access to your life's story as told through your doctor's office?

really?



It really doesn't matter anyways. Can anyone say 2012? Do we lose it all or restart the circle?

You're right, it doesn't matter. Not due to 2012 and the next changing of the guard though. Your gov't in washington d.c. is corrupt beyond repair, as is the entire subculture of those individuals who would seek to control it.

[as everyone learns the hard way]


....


to the OP,

I would rather defend myself at home any day than attack someone else in theirs. Something tells me you don't feel the same.

[Rhys]

to the OP,

I would rather defend myself at home any day than attack someone else in theirs. Something tells me you don't feel the same.

I do feel the same to an extent... but I wouldn't give up America only for ending a war that's almost over anyway.

[constituent]

but I wouldn't give up America

meh, a country that claims your personage as it's own to give is hardly worth fretting over, imo.


only for ending a war that's almost over anyway.

you're right, murder is ok sometimes. and it's not like the war is really all that big a deal.
</sarcasm>

[jkr]

ill take commies, tired of "war" (resource aquisition)

[Rhys]

war is no more violent than communism. One violence is out in the open, the other is in secret jails.

My country didn't sell me out. My country is still here, just usurped. I wouldn't be willing to give up totally just to save some lives. In fact, I would sacrifice thousands to save her. I would hope you all would too. I hear all this talk about havening guns and ammo ready, then I hear you'd rather be 'Red than Dead'. Lame. Why do you need guns if you aint gonna shoot them? You're just going to get yourself hurt.

[DAFTEK]

war in iraq or commies on our shores? With obama, we get both!



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