Persistent McCarthyism

[constituent]

Is a problem around here and damaging to the campaign.


thanx.

[constituent]

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[Swmorgan77]

Do some research, McCarthy has been vindicated to a very large degree.

[constituent]

but the term still exists.

[max]

Is a problem around here and damaging to the campaign.


thanx.

Do not trash the name of the late great Senator Joe McCarthy.

McCarthy is not the monster that our Establishment history boks have portrayed him as. Just remember this, the vary same forces that censor, and will soon smear, Ron Paul....were the ones who detroyed McCarthy.

Mccarthy's real target wasnt some of the communist spies he exposed (as confirmed now by Soviet archives)...His real target was the one worlders running the show that allowed communism to flourish so that we could have an external enemy.

McCarthy was an American hero

[constituent]

one more time... the term still exists.

tell it to mirriam webster and the folks at the OED.

[max]

one more time... the term still exists.

tell it to mirriam webster and the folks at the OED.

By using the term u play in to the enemy's hands. Why not just a term like "smear tactics"...and leave McCarthy's name out of it.

By perpetuating historical untruths you actually strengthen the enemy's position..

[hard@work]

McCarthy was vindicated? Sources so I can be lazy please?

[RevolutionSD]

Do not trash the name of the late great Senator Joe McCarthy.

McCarthy is not the monster that our Establishment history boks have portrayed him as. Just remember this, the vary same forces that censor, and will soon smear, Ron Paul....were the ones who detroyed McCarthy.

Mccarthy's real target wasnt some of the communist spies he exposed (as confirmed now by Soviet archives)...His real target was the one worlders running the show that allowed communism to flourish so that we could have an external enemy.

McCarthy was an American hero

Amen!

[constituent]

i do agree w/ you in principle max... but in this case principle alone.

this behavior has come to be uniquely known as McCarthyism and for a reason.

'conservative' and 'liberal' mean different things to just about everyone... hence the never ending addition of prefixes like paleo...

however, there is no prefix mongering around the term McCarthyism. It speaks for itself. besides (from a psychological perspective) you should be happy evertime someone uses a term like 'McCarthyism' because it will encourage those who are not familiar or need reminding to do their own research.

always consider the words and their use on every level imaginable.

max,
sometimes you have to consider the audience and the manner in which people's brains respond to what they see/read. sometimes efficient communication is more important.

[constituent]

hard@....

vindicated in a Hoover was vindicated sort of way.

[LibertyEagle]

Do not trash the name of the late great Senator Joe McCarthy.

McCarthy is not the monster that our Establishment history boks have portrayed him as. Just remember this, the vary same forces that censor, and will soon smear, Ron Paul....were the ones who detroyed McCarthy.

Mccarthy's real target wasnt some of the communist spies he exposed (as confirmed now by Soviet archives)...His real target was the one worlders running the show that allowed communism to flourish so that we could have an external enemy.

McCarthy was an American hero

YUP!

[constituent]

p.s. i don't disagree w/ you max.

[constituent]

ahhh... the snake surfaces

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[LibertyEagle]

ahhh... the snake surfaces

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You, Constituent? Yes, indeed. I see you're here trying to stir up trouble again, as usual. :rolleyes:

[max]

p.s. i don't disagree w/ you max.

Let me ask you this...suppose 30 years from now the ruling Establishment insuates a new word into the vocabulary "Paulism"..and they define it as "a neurotic and blind belief in extremist forms of government."

Would you use that word in your vocabulary? See my point?

Tailer gunner Joe deserves more respect than that

[constituent]

$20 says that the message hiding behind that "this message is hidden because LibertyEagle is on your ignore list," box has something to do with me.

i love you too sweetheart.

[Kuldebar]

From the Wiki on McCarthyism:


Originally coined to criticize the actions of U.S. Senator Joseph McCarthy, "McCarthyism" later took on a more general meaning, not necessarily referring to the conduct of Joseph McCarthy alone.

That's about right, imo.

EDIT: removed incorrect link

[constituent]

naaah... cuz i'll be a crotchity old curmudgeon by then... oh yea, and the establishment (as it now exists) will likely be dead. moot point.

::i'm on your side max::

however, mccarthy deserves to have such a sour word named after him for not producing the names. he was, in essence, fear mongering. no ifs ands or buts.

coulda cleared the air right then, and we'd all be better off and we could call it something else.

[LibertyEagle]

naaah... cuz i'll be a crotchity old curmudgeon by then... oh yea, and the establishment (as it now exists) will likely be dead. moot point.

::i'm on your side max::

however, mccarthy deserves to have such a sour word named after him for not producing the names. he was, in essence, fear mongering. no ifs ands or buts.

coulda cleared the air right then, and we'd all be better off and we could call it something else.

No, he was not fearmongering. He was a hero and if we would have finished rooting the SOBs out of our media, government, and universities, we likely would not be in the trouble we are right now.

[Kuldebar]

naaah... cuz i'll be a crotchity old curmudgeon by then... oh yea, and the establishment (as it now exists) will likely be dead. moot point.

::i'm on your side max::

however, mccarthy deserves to have such a sour word named after him for not producing the names. he was, in essence, fear mongering. no ifs ands or buts.

coulda cleared the air right then, and we'd all be better off and we could call it something else.

Sure you/we/us aren't confusing our McCarthy's?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Joseph_McCarthy.jpg/160px-Joseph_McCarthy.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_McCarthy



http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/EugeneMcCarthy.jpg/160px-EugeneMcCarthy.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_McCarthy

[constituent]

kuldebar

joseph mccarthy. who i believe was vindicated (sorta) when it came out, (and was discussed quite a bit in THE MAN WHO KEPT THE SECRETS about Richard Helms) that the CIA and other organizations were inflitrated to the top up (i don't personally think it's an issue of infiltration... i think all that's just an elaborate narrative to keep us entertained).

[constituent]

eugene mccarthy...

HBJ.

HBJ has an office in San Antonio. I'm going to get a picture of it for you next time.

The Sign Says Really Really Big

THE PSYCHOLOGICAL CORPORATION
HARCOURT BRACE JOVANOVICH
and several other textbook co.'s.

it is very surreal. you drive down this sorta back street on the edge of downtown under the freeway. it's down a tree lined, divided road at the very end in what looks like a big scary old house..... goosebumps.

[Kuldebar]

I consider Joe McCarthy to be a scoundrel who used fear to gain power. There was some truth to the fear but not in the way Old Joe pursued it.

The truth was that American political landscape had been "infiltrated" by the socialist mind set decades before Joseph McCarthy started waving the red flag. FDR, anyone?

I agree that in many ways, McCarthyism as practiced by Joe is very much like the fear mongering over "islamo-fascism" today.

[constituent]

what's your thoughts on eugene?

[Kuldebar]

what's your thoughts on eugene?

I think he stood his ground on an unpopular position but didn't reap the benefits for being "mostly" right in regards to opposing the war. Not having known him, I can only surmise that he seemed to be principled and honest enough to even go against his own party on matters that were contrary to his own conscience.

In his last major campaign, the political waters had changed to be more in line with the positions he had represented but ironically this seems to have only worked to drown out his message.

[max]

I consider Joe McCarthy to be a scoundrel who used fear to gain power. There was some truth to the fear but not in the way Old Joe pursued it.

The truth was that American political landscape had been "infiltrated" by the socialist mind set decades before Joseph McCarthy started waving the red flag. FDR, anyone?

I agree that in many ways, McCarthyism as practiced by Joe is very much like the fear mongering over "islamo-fascism" today.

Kuldebar..

Have you ever read even ONE PAGE of the actual TRANSCRIPTS of the Mccarthy hearings?

Have you ever read ONE PAGE of McCarthy's 2 published books, in which he defends himself?

have you ever read ONE PAGE of the research paper published in the 1990's by Harvard researchers who were given access to old Soviet archives...and then confirmed much of McCarthy's accusations?


FOLLOW UP QUESTION: If the answer to the above questions is "No"...then where do you get off assassinating a man's character when you havent heard both sides?...Who's the real "McCarthyite" here? eh?...

If I'm ever falsely accused of a crime...I pray you wont be on the jury.

[constituent]

bump.