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expatriot
09-01-2007, 06:12 AM
Quiet morning in Fort Worth?

(Someone say hello to the Patterson family out in Kennedale,
where I grew up)

I felt Something of a Tremor in all this.

Looks A lot like Cindy Sheehan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkUlz_QcjT8) has arrived just in time to endorse Ron Paul for president (http://www.star-telegram.com/news/story/219065.html):

With Sheehan and Ron Paul (and their equally passionate followers) within blocks of each other tomorrow, anti-war sentiment may turn out to be the prevailing theme of this weekend’s festivities, a stunning turn of events considering the straw poll was supposed to cater to the GOP’s most conservative members.

-- Aman Batheja

What time will this occur?

After this tremor will be a few minutes of deafening silence
while the waters of politics begin to drain from the beaches,
but the tidal wave of news resulting from this would be awesome.:)

LibertyEagle
09-01-2007, 06:16 AM
I hope it doesn't occur. It would be fine AFTER the Republican nomination, but not now.

Slugg
09-01-2007, 06:23 AM
I hope it doesn't occur. It would be fine AFTER the Republican nomination, but not now.

Yeah, I like her. But FOX has attacked her so darn much that an endorsement from her will make Ron look even more 'fringe' to the Republican base.

quickmike
09-01-2007, 06:31 AM
Yeah, I like her. But FOX has attacked her so darn much that an endorsement from her will make Ron look even more 'fringe' to the Republican base.

I concur..................... Hannity would fall on the floor laughing his ass off and we wouldnt hear the end of it. Say goodbye to the conservative voter who is still on the fence in reguards to the war. I agree that Sheehan would be good after the primaries though. This is not good at all right now, trust me. Its just one of those dirty little things about politics you have to play along with until you get the nomination. Thats just how it works.

This could turn out to be Ron Pauls Howard Dean moment "RAAAAAAHHHHHHRRHHHH!!!!!!!"

Maybe im just thinking of this in the wrong way, who knows.

beermotor
09-01-2007, 06:35 AM
People have been predicting a Dean Scream for months now. I gotta tell ya, RP knows what he is doing more than any of us. I have been amazed. He's not going to get killed by anyone, whatever their status, because the theme of the campaign is inclusiveness, bringing-together.

manuel
09-01-2007, 06:45 AM
I was going to make a post about how any kind of "endorsement" from Sheehan would probably be bad. But after thinking about it, maybe it's not so bad. She was able to mobilize some people when she was "protesting", right? Maybe we can use an endorsement from Sheehan to get Democrats to vote for Paul IN the Republican primaries.

We may not be able to convince most Republicans that we should get out of Iraq now, but we could surely get some Democrats to vote for Paul in the primaries. Especially, in states with an open primary.

jonahtrainer
09-01-2007, 06:50 AM
People have been predicting a Dean Scream for months now. I gotta tell ya, RP knows what he is doing more than any of us. I have been amazed. He's not going to get killed by anyone, whatever their status, because the theme of the campaign is inclusiveness, bringing-together.

I doubt we have much to worry about. Ron Paul is a master statesman and extremely skilled. He has played this game a long time.

LibertyEagle
09-01-2007, 06:50 AM
That is more than just a little risky. Sheehan let her efforts be co-opted by a bunch of Socialists and Communists.

Personally, I wouldn't go near her or anyone surrounding her. For sure, not until after the primaries. The news would be horrid.

constituent
09-01-2007, 07:13 AM
a sheehan endorsement would be a good thing. the republican party's numbers would explode w/ democratic refugees.

country first.

party second.

conservative wanktards on the radio and online... not even third.

quickmike
09-01-2007, 07:19 AM
a sheehan endorsement would be a good thing. the republican party's numbers would explode w/ democratic refugees.

country first.

party second.

conservative wanktards on the radio and online... not even third.

I hope youre right, and I hope there are enough democratic refugees that will ACTUALLY re-register Republican to voe in the primaries to make up the difference. Im kinda pessimistic about that though. I know some will, but people talk alot of shit. They will say "oh yeah, Ill vote for him in the primaries" but then they will wait and wait and put it off and say "well, Ill just vote for him in the general if he gets the nomination."

Thats what worries me.

FluffyUnbound
09-01-2007, 07:22 AM
Paul can best deal with this by simply being direct and saying that his anti-war stance appeals to anti-war people across party lines, and that's the majority position in the United States right now.

Cowlesy
09-01-2007, 07:23 AM
I hope youre right, and I hope there are enough democratic refugees that will ACTUALLY re-register Republican to voe in the primaries to make up the difference. Im kinda pessimistic about that though. I know some will, but people talk alot of shit. They will say "oh yeah, Ill vote for him in the primaries" but then they will wait and wait and put it off and say "well, Ill just vote for him in the general if he gets the nomination."

Thats what worries me.

Agreed. Meetup organizers need to make sure they know the cutoff date for people to change their party enrollment in their respective states as the date is approaching at least here in NY.

bobmurph
09-01-2007, 07:29 AM
Cindy Sheehan + Ron Paul = Campaign Suicide

expatriot
09-01-2007, 07:31 AM
Yeah, I like her. But FOX has attacked her so darn much that an endorsement from her will make Ron look even more 'fringe' to the Republican base.

I appreciate your quick reply, and certainly appreciate your insight.

One thing that goes through my mind is that the credibility gap
between traditional media and the open-source news of the internet
(however primitive it may yet be) is growing.

If it were to happen this would make that gap
visible to a much more vast audience.

Today's blip of CNN/USAtoday coverage may be appeasement or whatever
one may analyze it to be, but the less attention media pays
to the objective truth the more they sweep away their audience,
one heart at a time.

Being labelled fringe by people who froth at the mouth is no disgrace, either.

quickmike
09-01-2007, 07:32 AM
Cindy Sheehan + Ron Paul = Campaign Suicide


:( so many conservatives, right or wrong see Sheehan as a socialist. I hope they can overlook this stuff.

LibertyEagle
09-01-2007, 07:37 AM
a sheehan endorsement would be a good thing. the republican party's numbers would explode w/ democratic refugees.

country first.

party second.



If that were true, Sheehan's endorsement wouldn't be necessary.

Sheehan's endorsement before the primaries would be horrible for the campaign. Unless you think getting Sheehan's endorsement would replace just about every Republican vote on the face of the earth, with new found crossovers, then Sheehan's endorsement would not be a good thing.

constituent
09-01-2007, 07:46 AM
I hope youre right, and I hope there are enough democratic refugees that will ACTUALLY re-register Republican to voe in the primaries to make up the difference. Im kinda pessimistic about that though. I know some will, but people talk alot of shit. They will say "oh yeah, Ill vote for him in the primaries" but then they will wait and wait and put it off and say "well, Ill just vote for him in the general if he gets the nomination."

Thats what worries me.

as of yesterday (friday) i've [personally] taken and reregistered 12 democrats... all WILL vote in the primaries.


sooooo.... find some dems and get busy!!! they're waiting for you. the only reason they want to vote dem. is b/c they think that is who is seeking their vote.

just show them that you (their friend, family member, fellow countryperson) are actively seeking their vote. i promise they like you much better than
pelosi or obamabot.

fj45lvr
09-01-2007, 07:52 AM
does anybody have a link to a logical expression of Cindy's positions or was she just an airhead??

I thought I heard she was worried for her son but that her son was embarrassed and not talking to her.......

My general impression of her was that she was merely a TOOL of the leftists that could only say one sentence type of things with no real logic.....Not that I totally disagree with being in U.N. Wars.

Scribbler de Stebbing
09-01-2007, 07:58 AM
Republicans do not like her. They hate her. If you want to ensure Ron Paul does NOT get the GOP nomination, keep putting her name together with his.

That's nice about some democrats reregistering.

But, we MUST get Ron Paul's polling numbers up. And they only poll Republicans, as we know. We simply have to increase his favorability among Republicans.

LibertyEagle
09-01-2007, 08:18 AM
Republicans do not like her. They hate her. If you want to ensure Ron Paul does NOT get the GOP nomination, keep putting her name together with his.

That's nice about some democrats reregistering.

But, we MUST get Ron Paul's polling numbers up. And they only poll Republicans, as we know. We simply have to increase his favorability among Republicans.

ABSOLUTELY AGREE!

expatriot
09-01-2007, 08:31 AM
.
I can see now that this will not actually occur,
as there are other factors at work as well.

but there is a question that does arise and that is
how could any endorsement detract from the current situation?

There is a whole world of people out there who could endorse him,
and with the single exception of He Who Must Never Be Named,
none could ever endorse him without bringing both
additional publicity as well as some kind of relative voter base.

After all. our candidate has already been endorsed by
almost every corner of the spectrum as it is.
No one packs their bags and disappears just because
certain names already on board are seen on Google.

I don't approve of everyone's occupation or other 'rough edges'
or whatever the issue of the moment might be.
but then again I respect their privacy and their right to whatever
private liberties they choose.
Why should I make an exception to a grieving soccer-mom?
Maybe she has socialist tendencies, maybe her friends all
want more taxes and bigger buildings, but the truth is there
is such a thing as priority, and this priority is restoring integrity
and constitutional direction to the shambles of our system
before it self-destructs.
If she, in a moment of truth, decided to fling fortune towards
this campaign, what would you say?
Would you pack up and leave just because she decided to support him?
On what principles could that be justified?
Noting previous comments like
"Republicans do not like her. They hate her. "
are generalizations. Looking at who we are gives pause.
Hatred is not common cause, and furthermore,
is that a 100% of Republicans?
It may only be fringe element that bears that serious kind of hatred,
but then perhaps the America I knew has been replaced with
a new and improved model where neighbors go around hating neighbors.

Right now, Ron Paul represents to the anti-war group the
visage of the Devil himself:
" Vote for me if you want the war ended
(the price? end the state socialism, end nanny-statism, get more self-discipline),
Vote for them if you want more 'social handouts, more domestic interventionism
(the price? your children in bodybags, your income and eventually your very soul)"

They may not understand the price of the socialist path,
but neither Dr. Paul and nor anyone I know
would ever lie to them about the costs involved
or try to deceive them in any way about the costs of the future.

Just thinking out loud, hope that is tolerable here...:cool:

constituent
09-01-2007, 08:34 AM
who rey for expat! welcome.

Sematary
09-01-2007, 08:36 AM
I hope it doesn't occur. It would be fine AFTER the Republican nomination, but not now.

Wouldn't an endorsement by Sheehan bring in millions of anti war votes?

LibertyEagle
09-01-2007, 08:39 AM
Wouldn't an endorsement by Sheehan bring in millions of anti war votes?

Do you honestly think she has THAT much power... to entice people to change their registration to, in their minds the enemy, the Republican Party, and vote in the primary?

It might bring in a few primary votes, but I think her endorsement would drive away far more Republicans.

Her endorsement would be great though, AFTER the primaries.

Sematary
09-01-2007, 08:42 AM
Do you honestly think she has THAT much power... to entice people to change their registration to, in their minds the enemy, the Republican Party, and vote in the primary?

It might bring in a few primary votes, but I think her endorsement would drive away far more Republicans.

Her endorsement would be great though, AFTER the primaries.

I gotta be honest. I know alot of Republicans (mostly of the neocon stripe), and there is no way in hell they will vote for Ron Paul because of his stance on the war. Nothing is going to drive them away because, as far as they are concerned, he might as well be Hillary Clinton - they will never vote for him. Unfortunately, the neocon stripe runs deep in the Republican party.

LibertyEagle
09-01-2007, 08:43 AM
.
There is a whole world of people out there who could endorse him,
and with the single exception of He Who Must Never Be Named,
none could ever endorse him without bringing both
additional publicity as well as some kind of relative voter base.

After all. our candidate has already been endorsed by
almost every corner of the spectrum as it is.
No one packs their bags and disappears just because
certain names already on board are seen on Google.



No, WE would not be driven away. WE are the hard core supporters. The issue is how many REPUBLICANS will be driven away from considering him by what is viewed as a Socialist's endorsement. Like it or not, we have to win the REPUBLICAN nomination, first.

im_a_pepper
09-01-2007, 08:43 AM
Maybe she would run against Pelosi as a <Gasp> Republican!

constituent
09-01-2007, 08:44 AM
sematary....


i think that what you are saying is correct largely because Paul's grassroots support mechanism has focused to much on catering to the neo-con "established republicans" that will never be converted b/c a Paul presidency is not in their best interest.

the best bet for the republican nomination is to bring other people in to the republican party and to make those neo-cons feel unwelcome (atleast moreso than the quasi-libs) rather than catered to.

LibertyEagle
09-01-2007, 08:45 AM
I gotta be honest. I know alot of Republicans (mostly of the neocon stripe), and there is no way in hell they will vote for Ron Paul because of his stance on the war. Nothing is going to drive them away because, as far as they are concerned, he might as well be Hillary Clinton - they will never vote for him. Unfortunately, the neocon stripe runs deep in the Republican party.

Everyone keeps forgetting all the old school conservatives. We can get them on board with his message of limited government, low taxes, the Constitution, etc.

constituent
09-01-2007, 08:45 AM
make the neo-cons be the fringe "do you really belong here" faction of the republican party. rather than us.

LibertyEagle
09-01-2007, 08:45 AM
sematary....


i think that what you are saying is correct largely because Paul's grassroots support mechanism has focused to much on catering to the neo-con "established republicans" that will never be converted b/c a Paul presidency is not in their best interest.

the best bet for the republican nomination is to bring other people in to the republican party and to make those neo-cons feel unwelcome (atleast moreso than the quasi-libs) rather than catered to.

Let me ask you something, constituent. Were you a Democrat before this campaign?

LibertyEagle
09-01-2007, 08:46 AM
make the neo-cons be the fringe "do you really belong here" faction of the republican party. rather than us.

Yes, and we don't do that by running around saying 9-11 is an inside job or cozying up to Socialists/Communists.

constituent
09-01-2007, 08:46 AM
funny i took you off of ignore just to see this post and it was addressed to me.


NO.


I'm strictly non-partisan/libertarian.

thanx. got anymore wanktarding/instigating before i return you to ignore?

LibertyEagle
09-01-2007, 08:49 AM
NO.


I'm strictly non-partisan/libertarian.

thanx. got anymore wanktarding/instigating before i return you to ignore?

So, basically pretty ignorant of the Republican Party. Just as I thought. ;)

MsDoodahs
09-01-2007, 08:49 AM
I gotta be honest. I know alot of Republicans (mostly of the neocon stripe), and there is no way in hell they will vote for Ron Paul because of his stance on the war. Nothing is going to drive them away because, as far as they are concerned, he might as well be Hillary Clinton - they will never vote for him. Unfortunately, the neocon stripe runs deep in the Republican party.

Same here.

constituent
09-01-2007, 08:51 AM
actually i have an entire family of big money contributors to the repug party...

so i'm very familiar w/ the repugs

p.s.

4,000+posts?

just one last thing before I return you to ignore

smoke pole and get a life.

LibertyEagle
09-01-2007, 08:52 AM
just one last thing before I return you to ignore

smoke pole and get a life.

One for you little one..... GROW UP!


4,000+posts?

Yeah, I'm recovering from a car accident, so I can't move much. Have a problem, asshat?

Sematary
09-01-2007, 08:59 AM
Everyone keeps forgetting all the old school conservatives. We can get them on board with his message of limited government, low taxes, the Constitution, etc.

I don't think they would drop by the wayside because of Cindy Sheehan. I think they are beyond partisan politics at this point and are voting the message.

expatriot
09-01-2007, 09:00 AM
Do you honestly think she has THAT much power... to entice people to change their registration to, in their minds the enemy, the Republican Party, and vote in the primary?

It might bring in a few primary votes, but I think her endorsement would drive away far more Republicans.

Her endorsement would be great though, AFTER the primaries.

No I don't, and I assure you this is merely an exploration of the subject at any rate.

There are two points to add:
Her name recognition outweighs Ron Paul by virtue of her activities in the past.
That name recognition is also associated with opposing the status quo.


No, WE would not be driven away. WE are the hard core supporters. The issue is how many REPUBLICANS will be driven away from considering him by what is viewed as a Socialist's endorsement. Like it or not, we have to win the REPUBLICAN nomination, first.

And that is the crux of the matter -
just how many would pack their bags and leave in such an instance?

Could that in and of itself end the campaign?

LibertyEagle
09-01-2007, 09:01 AM
expatriot,

Again, I'm not so worried about people LEAVING; I am worried about new people being driven away from looking further into him, after hearing that Sheehan backs him. Especially conservatives......................

Sematary
09-01-2007, 09:02 AM
One for you little one..... GROW UP!



Yeah, I'm recovering from a car accident, so I can't move much. Have a problem, asshat?

Liberty, here is the bottom line (before I return to work). The message of Liberty and Freedom is a big umbrella and we WANT the anti war people to switch parties and vote for RP. In fact, his message is benign and devoid of partisan politics and we should not shun anyone for their personal beliefs. That is the point of this campaign - FREEDOM and LIBERTY!

romelll
09-01-2007, 09:04 AM
Sheehan had so much "support" because of George Soros money. Soros got tired of her and let her loose. This would not be a good association

constituent
09-01-2007, 09:05 AM
wow... she added a sympathy plea and an asshat after i put her back on ignore??? ::edit, guess she figured out 'smoke pole'::

typical.... kinda like her little move in the Baby Boomers Fiscally.... thread.. trying to instigate some shizzle w/ aravoth after the thread had been essentially concluded.... and then going and doing an edit job to play all mediator....


right...

LibertyEagle
09-01-2007, 09:05 AM
Sematary,
I never said to "shun" anyone. I thought we were discussing whether Sheehan's endorsement would help or harm Ron Paul's possibilities in the Republican primaries.

My opinion is that it would hurt. If this got heated, it is because of some talking about approaching Sheehan and her fellow socialists at today's straw poll and even taking it further and actively attempting to get her endorsement. Wouldn't it be so lovely to see Ron Paul shirts and signs standing amongst Sheehan's socialist crowd.

Sematary
09-01-2007, 09:07 AM
Sematary,
I never said to "shun" anyone. I thought we were discussing whether Sheehan's endorsement would help or harm Ron Paul's possibilities in the Republican primaries.

My opinion is that it would hurt. If this got heated, it is because of some talking about approaching Sheehan and her fellow socialists at today's straw poll and even taking it further and actively attempting to get her endorsement. Wouldn't it be so lovely to see Ron Paul shirts and signs standing amongst Sheehan's socialist crowd.

My point is that I think her endorsement wouldn't hurt because "traditional Republicans" would ignore her anyway but the anti war crowd would follow along. I think in the end, it's a + for the campaign, if it happens.

LibertyEagle
09-01-2007, 09:07 AM
wow... she added a sympathy plea and an asshat after i put her back on ignore???

typical.... kinda like her little move in the Baby Boomers Fiscally.... thread.. trying to instigate some shizzle w/ aravoth after the thread had been essentially concluded.... and then going and doing an edit job to play all mediator....


right...

I made no sympathy plea. You made a comment and I responded to it.

And stop spreading lies, constituent. Anyone can go look for themselves in the thread you're talking about and make their own judgments. You should go apply for a position with FOX, Constituent. Your tactics fit perfectly. lol

LibertyEagle
09-01-2007, 09:08 AM
My point is that I think her endorsement wouldn't hurt because "traditional Republicans" would ignore her anyway but the anti war crowd would follow along. I think in the end, it's a + for the campaign, if it happens.

Ok. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

Sematary
09-01-2007, 09:08 AM
Gotta go. Peace.

constituent
09-01-2007, 09:08 AM
i'm sorry... is she addressing me again???

let me guess... i've seen it before... they can go back to the thread and judge for themselves..... blah blah blah....

yea, just make sure you check the edits lol!

constituent
09-01-2007, 09:09 AM
i'm w/ sematary.

bye-bye....


Sheehan Endorsement HOORAY!

LibertyEagle
09-01-2007, 09:10 AM
For someone who has me on ignore, he sure responds a lot, doesn't he? ;)

stevedasbach
09-01-2007, 09:11 AM
It would be a big problem if the campaign sought Sheehan's endorsement (which they won't).

We can't control who chooses to endorse Dr. Paul, so there's no point worrying about it. If it happens, I'm sure Dr. Paul will respond appropiately.

quickmike
09-01-2007, 09:12 AM
There are two points to add:
Her name recognition outweighs Ron Paul by virtue of her activities in the past.
That name recognition is also associated with opposing the status quo.


Well if were going to use name recognition as a ruler to gauge effectiveness of gaining support for Ron Paul, maybe we should start putting "Adolf Hitler would support Ron Paul" signs everywhere. I mean if name recognition is always a good thing since Adolf Hitler's name recognition far outweighs both Ron Paul and Cindy Sheehans put together.

Sometimes association can hurt more than it can gain, and I think this is one of those times. The neo-con vote is a lost cause. They will surely support a pro-war candidate, so we dont even need to concern ourselves with them. But there are many many middle of the road conservatives who are anti-war but associate Cindy Sheehan with socialism. Im sure those people far outweigh the ones who will decide to vote for Ron Paul because Sheehan supports Ron Paul.

Elections are all about net gains. This will be a net loss since its a republican primary. Its not Sheehans anti-war message they wont buy, its the rest of her sometimes "wacky statements" that people will associate her with, and in turn, connect to Ron Paul whether its correct or not.

quickmike
09-01-2007, 09:16 AM
It would be a big problem if the campaign sought Sheehan's endorsement (which they won't).

We can't control who chooses to endorse Dr. Paul, so there's no point worrying about it. If it happens, I'm sure Dr. Paul will respond appropiately.

This is true......... geez, what a complicated subject this is. LOL

Jeanne
09-01-2007, 09:17 AM
Sheehan likes Kucinich.

expatriot
09-01-2007, 09:24 AM
Sheehan likes Kucinich.

Kucinich = no chance whatsoever

and Sheehan most assuredly knows this..

expatriot
09-01-2007, 09:32 AM
It would be a big problem if the campaign sought Sheehan's endorsement (which they won't).

We can't control who chooses to endorse Dr. Paul, so there's no point worrying about it. If it happens, I'm sure Dr. Paul will respond appropiately.

Amen to point one, and Amen to point two.


expatriot,

Again, I'm not so worried about people LEAVING; I am worried about new people being driven away from looking further into him, after hearing that Sheehan backs him. Especially conservatives......................

I guess that about sums it up then -
- an event like that would be a litmus test of individuals in the support,
- illuminating whether people supported him for the message or out of fealty.

Interesting, and thanks for all your insight into this sociophysical dynamic.


Cry Havoc,
and let let slip the Blogs of Ron Paul !

quickmike
09-01-2007, 09:38 AM
Kucinich = no chance whatsoever

and Sheehan most assuredly knows this..

Funny, I almost voted for Kucinich in 2004. I went with Michael Badnarik instead. Hey, I was desperate.

Scribbler de Stebbing
09-01-2007, 09:40 AM
Cry Havoc,
and let let slip the Blogs of Ron Paul !

You should use that as a signature line.

LibertyEagle
09-01-2007, 09:42 AM
I guess that about sums it up then -
- an event like that would be a litmus test of individuals in the support,
- illuminating whether people supported him for the message or out of fealty.

Interesting, and thanks for all your insight into this sociophysical dynamic.



Maybe it would sum it up, but you keep twisting what I'm saying. One more time, I am NOT worried about existing supporters being driven away. Point one. What I am concerned about is driving away people who are currently undecided. Point two.

Ozwest
09-01-2007, 09:43 AM
September is NOW! Incrementing by 1 or 2 percent each may be good. But it's not good enough! I know Ron Paul is running as a Republican, and it's a long complicated process, but for fucks sake step outside the square. The powers that be are shitting themselve's. Get out to the Colleges and Uni's and stir things up. Young Ron Paul supporters have the opportunity to succeed where old 60's-70's farts like me failed. P.S Say hello to your parents.

Revolution9
09-01-2007, 09:45 AM
I hope youre right, and I hope there are enough democratic refugees that will ACTUALLY re-register Republican to voe in the primaries to make up the difference. Im kinda pessimistic about that though. I know some will, but people talk alot of shit. They will say "oh yeah, Ill vote for him in the primaries" but then they will wait and wait and put it off and say "well, Ill just vote for him in the general if he gets the nomination."

Thats what worries me.

In Georgia you do not have to be registered to a political party to vote in the primaries.

Best
Randy

Revolution9
09-01-2007, 09:46 AM
:( so many conservatives, right or wrong see Sheehan as a socialist. I hope they can overlook this stuff.

She is a mother of a man that died in Iraq.. How is that socialist?

Randy

Revolution9
09-01-2007, 09:49 AM
Do you honestly think she has THAT much power... to entice people to change their registration to, in their minds the enemy, the Republican Party, and vote in the primary?

It might bring in a few primary votes, but I think her endorsement would drive away far more Republicans.

Her endorsement would be great though, AFTER the primaries.

She ~may~ have more name recognition than RP.. The MSM gave her alot of airtime.

Best
Randy

quickmike
09-01-2007, 09:52 AM
She is a mother of a man that died in Iraq.. How is that socialist?

Randy


I dont know randy, maybe stuff she has said in the past about other things not related to the Iraq war. For a while there, when she was just getting her 15 minutes of fame, she kinda got a big head and started rattling off lots of odd things. Im not sure. Im just talking about the "appearance" of these things.

SeanEdwards
09-01-2007, 09:52 AM
This is much ado about nothing. Sheehan is a commie. There is no way in hell she is going to endorse an ultra-capitalist like Paul.

Revolution9
09-01-2007, 09:53 AM
Well if were going to use name recognition as a ruler to gauge effectiveness of gaining support for Ron Paul, maybe we should start putting "Adolf Hitler would support Ron Paul" signs everywhere. I mean if name recognition is always a good thing since Adolf Hitler's name recognition far outweighs both Ron Paul and Cindy Sheehans put together..

So Cindy Sheehan = Hitler - some name recognition??

Jeesh.. Is O'Reilly on yet? Go check..

Randy

Revolution9
09-01-2007, 09:54 AM
Sheehan likes Kucinich.

And RP likes Kucinich..

Randy

Ozwest
09-01-2007, 09:57 AM
Stop putting labels on people. Her heart is wherte it should be. A bleeding heart always leans left. Why wouldn't it when the right is ruled by fascists. Believe me, it would be easier to convince a so called "socialist" to Ron Pauk's side than a "chicken hawk" war mongerer.

Revolution9
09-01-2007, 09:57 AM
I dont know randy, maybe stuff she has said in the past about other things not related to the Iraq war. For a while there, when she was just getting her 15 minutes of fame, she kinda got a big head and started rattling off lots of odd things. Im not sure. Im just talking about the "appearance" of these things.

I do not own a TV. I followed articles here and there on the web about her.. She seemed interested in stopping the war and putting eat on W to prove he was a chickenshit/hawk. I do not recall any other agenda like welfare or socialized medicine.. If I am incorrect I would like a cite.

Best Regards
Randy

Revolution9
09-01-2007, 09:58 AM
Stop putting labels on people. Her heart is wherte it should be. A bleeding heart always leans left. Why wouldn't it when the right is ruled by fascists. Believe me, it would be easier to convince a so called "socialist" to Ron Pauk's side than a "chicken hawk" war mongerer.

QFT..

Randy

Nefertiti
09-01-2007, 09:59 AM
:( so many conservatives, right or wrong see Sheehan as a socialist. I hope they can overlook this stuff.

Most conservatives don't even know the meaning of the word "socialism." That's pretty clear from the use of the word in these forums. Every time someone here doesn't like an idea, they cry "It's socialism" even when it has nothing to do with socialism at all. Maybe if they understood what it really is they would realize that the ideas of those they are branding "socialists" aren't so evil or different after all and find some common ground.

Nefertiti
09-01-2007, 10:03 AM
.
I can see now that this will not actually occur,
as there are other factors at work as well.

but there is a question that does arise and that is
how could any endorsement detract from the current situation?

There is a whole world of people out there who could endorse him,
and with the single exception of He Who Must Never Be Named,
none could ever endorse him without bringing both
additional publicity as well as some kind of relative voter base.

After all. our candidate has already been endorsed by
almost every corner of the spectrum as it is.
No one packs their bags and disappears just because
certain names already on board are seen on Google.

I don't approve of everyone's occupation or other 'rough edges'
or whatever the issue of the moment might be.
but then again I respect their privacy and their right to whatever
private liberties they choose.
Why should I make an exception to a grieving soccer-mom?
Maybe she has socialist tendencies, maybe her friends all
want more taxes and bigger buildings, but the truth is there
is such a thing as priority, and this priority is restoring integrity
and constitutional direction to the shambles of our system
before it self-destructs.
If she, in a moment of truth, decided to fling fortune towards
this campaign, what would you say?
Would you pack up and leave just because she decided to support him?
On what principles could that be justified?
Noting previous comments like
"Republicans do not like her. They hate her. "
are generalizations. Looking at who we are gives pause.
Hatred is not common cause, and furthermore,
is that a 100% of Republicans?
It may only be fringe element that bears that serious kind of hatred,
but then perhaps the America I knew has been replaced with
a new and improved model where neighbors go around hating neighbors.

Right now, Ron Paul represents to the anti-war group the
visage of the Devil himself:
" Vote for me if you want the war ended
(the price? end the state socialism, end nanny-statism, get more self-discipline),
Vote for them if you want more 'social handouts, more domestic interventionism
(the price? your children in bodybags, your income and eventually your very soul)"

They may not understand the price of the socialist path,
but neither Dr. Paul and nor anyone I know
would ever lie to them about the costs involved
or try to deceive them in any way about the costs of the future.

Just thinking out loud, hope that is tolerable here...:cool:

Wise words

Brasil Branco
09-01-2007, 10:05 AM
I agree with Semetary, people who cut down Sheehan aren't your run of the mill Republicans- these probally aren't going to be the ones who'll vote for Ron Paul anyway. In any case, I doubt Sheehan will endorse him, but if she does- it might be benificial.

If the number of Democrats she brings is greater than the Republicans she drives, more power to her.

Though, we're probally argueing over nothing since it won't happen, but I honestly believe that it might do more good than harm in this case.

Ozwest
09-01-2007, 10:10 AM
Do you want to establish political eloquence or do you want to get the man elected? I was under the impression that Libertarianism was about freedom of expression under fair law. Everyone can lean a little left or right. Or am I mi9ssing the point?

Kuldebar
09-01-2007, 10:10 AM
The Republican Party will be changed and is being changed, the old rules are becoming increasingly irrelevant. Let's try to understand that the paradigm has shifted in regards to this campaign.

If Ron Paul were like every other politician then I'd be worried about certain people coming out to support him. But, Ron Paul has the simple truth on his side and he knows how to use it.

This election represents the interests of all Americans, not just Republicans. The message does bring people together.

Those who seek to work counter to that are swimming against the current and wasting energy.

Whether Sheehan will support Ron Paul, or not, is up to Sheehan.

All honest support is welcome.

quickmike
09-01-2007, 10:12 AM
So Cindy Sheehan = Hitler - some name recognition??

Jeesh.. Is O'Reilly on yet? Go check..

Randy

NO Randy,

youre missing my point completely. Im arguing that name recognition just as name recognition alone isnt always a good thing. If it were, we should want Adolf Hitlers endorsement of Ron Paul for the sole reason that he has high name recognition. Thats all im saying. I was replying to a post that said that somehow that Cindy Sheehans higher level of name recognition than Ron Paul has, by default means its good for Ron Paul. In no way am I comparing Hitler to Cindy Sheehan. I think you read too deeply into what I was saying. You can replace the name Hitler with Pee wee herman, michael jackson, Sean Hannity, or anyone else with more name recognition than Ron Paul.

johnrocks
09-01-2007, 10:15 AM
To me Cindy Sheehan is the political equavalent to Rosie O'Donnell; you either love her or hate her; she is waaaay too divisive of a person for Ron Paul right now. I am a Goldwater conservative who is against foreign intervention and these needless wars and I can tell you right now it sure would feel like a kick in the gut to me if she endorsed him right now.

Ozwest
09-01-2007, 10:31 AM
You will have to excuse me, but I'm in a big house al by myself learning the internets.(hehe) ! Trying to type. Learning to speak in the third person. Not knowing how to print previous quotes when replying. Loving the freedom of expression but,rather be sitting around a table and having a beer with yus. It's 12:30 a.m. Friday in Australia. I'm back from the Pub . Will one of you bloody yanks acknowledge me or I'll go to bed.

johnrocks
09-01-2007, 10:35 AM
Acknowledged!:D

expatriot
09-01-2007, 10:41 AM
You will have to excuse me, but I'm in a big house al by myself learning the internets.(hehe) ! Trying to type. Learning to speak in the third person. Not knowing how to print previous quotes when replying. Loving the freedom of expression but,rather be sitting around a table and having a beer with yus. It's 12:30 a.m. Friday in Australia. I'm back from the Pub . Will one of you bloody yanks acknowledge me or I'll go to bed.

Hey OzWest,

I am upstairs over a pub closed for the night here in Singapore.

Did you Tell an American to Vote (http://www.bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=2656) ?

Ozwest
09-01-2007, 10:44 AM
Thank God for your acknowledgement. My Wombat was starting to give me bedroom eyes and I'd forgotten protection.

Ozwest
09-01-2007, 10:49 AM
Singapore! Not far from me. I'll say goodbye it the Wombat and see you in a jiff!

specsaregood
09-01-2007, 10:50 AM
Maybe I am a bit openminded since I was out of the country for all of last year and never really saw any Cindy Sheehan news coverage (no t.v.) for years before that; BUT read this quote, it makes her sound a bit like a lot of us.

"After three warnings to get up and move off of the sidewalk in front of our house, we were arrested. It is so ironic to me that the person who resides in our White House swears to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America. The person who is the (p)resident of the White House now has no concept of the Constitution. He was appointed by the Supreme Court for his first term, invaded and continues to occupy a sovereign country without a declaration of war from the Congress, and violated several treaties to actually invade, Iraq too. Not to mention the condoned torture that pervades the military prisons these days. These are all violations of the Constitution. The Patriot Act and denying us our rights to peaceably assemble are serious breaches of the Bill of Rights. George is so hypocritically concerned about Iraq developing a Constitution when he ignores and shreds our own Constitution." --Cindy Sheehan
From: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cindy-sheehan/my-first-time_b_7923.html

johnrocks
09-01-2007, 10:55 AM
Maybe I am a bit openminded since I was out of the country for all of last year and never really saw any Cindy Sheehan news coverage (no t.v.) for years before that; BUT read this quote, it makes her sound a bit like a lot of us.

"After three warnings to get up and move off of the sidewalk in front of our house, we were arrested. It is so ironic to me that the person who resides in our White House swears to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States of America. The person who is the (p)resident of the White House now has no concept of the Constitution. He was appointed by the Supreme Court for his first term, invaded and continues to occupy a sovereign country without a declaration of war from the Congress, and violated several treaties to actually invade, Iraq too. Not to mention the condoned torture that pervades the military prisons these days. These are all violations of the Constitution. The Patriot Act and denying us our rights to peaceably assemble are serious breaches of the Bill of Rights. George is so hypocritically concerned about Iraq developing a Constitution when he ignores and shreds our own Constitution." --Cindy Sheehan
From: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cindy-sheehan/my-first-time_b_7923.html

When it comes to issues such as the war in Iraq,the Patriot Act and other issues concerning personal liberties she seems to be in tune to our way of thinking but she seems extreamly liberal on issues such as gun ownership,capitalism and defense.

expatriot
09-01-2007, 11:03 AM
Singapore! Not far from me. I'll say goodbye it the Wombat and see you in a jiff!

Pm you now to get this dialog out of the public forum:


Perhaps I may be in Australia in a few weeks and we could swap stories
and nefarious schemes over a few cold ones?

I am off to the jungle for a bit but when I finish there Australia is on my 'to-do' list

RevolutionSD
09-01-2007, 11:17 AM
A Sheehan endorsement would be fantastic and I would welcome it with open arms. Why do you guys care so much about what Hannity would say? We're not getting any votes from the Hannity kool-aid drinkers anyway.

Cindy Sheehan is an absolute hero and has my respect. No, she doesn't see eye to eye with Ron Paul on everything, but neither do I- that's not the point. The democrats do not really have an anti-war candidate besides Kucinich and everyone knows he has no chance.

To reject anti-war democrat voters because they want universal healthcare would be the most foolish thing we could do.

Props to Cindy Sheehan, let's make this a true rEVOLution!

Ozwest
09-01-2007, 11:19 AM
Thanks expatriot, But me and the Wombat are totally focussed on Ron Paul at the moment. Me and the Wombat (if she can get through customs ) will catch you at the innaugriation party.

Revolution9
09-01-2007, 11:27 AM
You will have to excuse me, but I'm in a big house al by myself learning the internets.(hehe) ! Trying to type. Learning to speak in the third person. Not knowing how to print previous quotes when replying. Loving the freedom of expression but,rather be sitting around a table and having a beer with yus. It's 12:30 a.m. Friday in Australia. I'm back from the Pub . Will one of you bloody yanks acknowledge me or I'll go to bed.

Hit the quote button in the lower right of the screen. I look forward to reading you if that is ant impetus..

Best
Randy

Revolution9
09-01-2007, 11:29 AM
NO Randy,

youre missing my point completely. Im arguing that name recognition just as name recognition alone isnt always a good thing. If it were, we should want Adolf Hitlers endorsement of Ron Paul for the sole reason that he has high name recognition. Thats all im saying. I was replying to a post that said that somehow that Cindy Sheehans higher level of name recognition than Ron Paul has, by default means its good for Ron Paul. In no way am I comparing Hitler to Cindy Sheehan. I think you read too deeply into what I was saying. You can replace the name Hitler with Pee wee herman, michael jackson, Sean Hannity, or anyone else with more name recognition than Ron Paul.

ok..understood. but Hitler would not endorse RP..so it is kind of moot.

Best
Randy

hard@work
09-01-2007, 11:51 AM
It is time to rebuild the Grand Old Party to it's former glory as an American institution. An endorsement from Sheehan if played right can play a huge part in this. We can have a real Republican party again, one that doesn't just preach to the faithful about "family values" or the "war on Christmas" but acts on issues that matter in the pursuit of happiness.

Ozwest
09-01-2007, 12:00 PM
Hit the quote button in the lower right of the screen. I look forward to reading you if that is ant impetus..

Best
Randy

Not sure what I'm doing here. All is new Re: THIS. Anyway, I'll slowly type and press Submit Repy. See what happens. Not sure how to interperet this message but I like the way you kick ass in this media. I like to kickass personally. Ive had acouple of property developers give me shit over the phone over monetary policy or whatever but I always found direct discussions more fruitful. I suspect your attitude is the same. Definitely on your game when you baffle the audience. I reckon you'd come up trumps passing the ammo. No Pissants Allowed. Cheers.

wtbuser
09-01-2007, 12:00 PM
Keep That Woman Away From The Campaign

james1906
09-01-2007, 12:03 PM
Keep her away until after the primaries. If she endorsed RP if he was running against Clinton, it would be a coup.

I think she's pretty wacky, but she has dedicated followers. Most of the GOP finds her wacky, and they might be turned off to vote for someone she endorses, unless the other option is Hillary.

expatriot
09-01-2007, 12:22 PM
I am Back now,deal me in please...

This just found at http://lucianne.com/threads22.asp?artnum=357897

Reply 1 - Posted by: LadyVet, 9/1/2007 11:14:25 AM

I am at this event. What is missed in the reporting is the dominance Ron Paul has at this event. The other candidates should sit back and take lessons on organization. A bunch of lefty reporters are not able to look at what is happening before their faces and recognize a story. The other unreported facts: Only Giuliani and McCain had absolutely no presence whatsoever. Thompson's people are here, even if he is not. Mitt Romney had a few people, with one single woman carrying a sign. Duncan Hunter was there is person and had a fairly large presence. Kay Baily Hutchison was nowhere to be found. Of course yesterday was just a warm up. Today is the big day. I'll report later. (http://lucianne.com/threads22.asp?artnum=357897)

Bear in mind I post this only to point out how our efforts
affect the perceptions of those in a position to assist our candidate.

Cheers

Cliff
09-01-2007, 01:04 PM
Sheehan and Ron are in agreement on ending the war nothing more nothing less. Every other candidate flip flops.

A end to the War stance will win the next election.

Ozwest
09-01-2007, 01:17 PM
Cliff, I respect your Idealism but we are talking about electing the President of the United States. Do you think other candidates will be elected because the voters are well informed? If the general pop[ulation was well-informed we wouldn't end up with this rubbish. Don't micro manage this otherwise we're going get our asses kicked. Otherwise, prepare for Neo Socialism.

Cliff
09-01-2007, 01:27 PM
Cliff, I respect your Idealism but we are talking about electing the President of the United States. Do you think other candidates will be elected because the voters are well informed? If the general pop[ulation was well-informed we wouldn't end up with this rubbish. Don't micro manage this otherwise we're going get our asses kicked. Otherwise, prepare for Neo Socialism.

They become informed when it affects their way of life. Your comments would pass in a time of prosperity but we are in a time of great crisis. We are on the verge of bankrupcy. People are losing their houses and jobs are going overseas.

Now we are talking about going to war with Iran.

I think your comments fit the limited number of people who vote every election. I honestly believe if Ron can win the primaries you will see a voter turnout unmatched in American History.