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Ridiculous
08-31-2007, 02:20 PM
Are Truther grassroots activists a liability to the Campaign.
Are the truthers hurting the campaign with New World Order nonsense?
Yes the average American has some questions about 9/11, but I also think that the average American views that the "9/11 was an inside job" truthers as nut jobs.
I also think that if Paul were to get the nomination, he should stop giving interviews with people like Alex Jones. Jones, while probably sincere, is also a business man making money off of Truther's fears.... It really isn't a whole lot different than Giuliani being a 9/11 profiteer
I personally share Ron Paul's official position on 9/11.
angelatc
08-31-2007, 02:22 PM
They're our liabilities and we love them.
libertarianguy
08-31-2007, 02:23 PM
test
maggiebott
08-31-2007, 02:23 PM
I don't share his opinion but it matters not. But then again, i also don't believe in the easter bunny.
Ozwest
08-31-2007, 02:24 PM
What a great answer!
lucius
08-31-2007, 02:24 PM
Ho, hum, yet again. How about in Hot Topics, and with a title of 'I am a diversive prig starting another flame war'. :(
happyphilter
08-31-2007, 02:24 PM
I have always said they were for the reason that their notions will cause less people to vote for Ron Paul. They have no reason to mix their "truth" message with the campaign.
hard@work
08-31-2007, 02:27 PM
Since something like 30% of America suspects that 9/11 was done by an internal US conspiracy, and 70% suspect that the Iraq war was a lie based on 9/11 I think we'll be ok.
The liability we have with them is belligerent action and racist kooks. But whatever, these people have the right to believe what is the truth even if their methods are abrasive.
Green Mountain Boy
08-31-2007, 02:27 PM
Everybody's a potential liability.
Ridiculous
08-31-2007, 02:29 PM
They have the right to believe whatever they want. But it is they that got Paul associated with the "tin foil hat", not the moderate republicans, rational libertarians and convert dems.
Are Truther grassroots activists a liability to the Campaign.
Are the truthers hurting the campaign with New World Order nonsense?
Yes the average American has some questions about 9/11, but I also think that the average American views that the "9/11 was an inside job" truthers as nut jobs.
I also think that if Paul were to get the nomination, he should stop giving interviews with people like Alex Jones. Jones, while probably sincere, is also a business man making money off of Truther's fears.... It really isn't a whole lot different than Giuliani being a 9/11 profiteer
I personally share Ron Paul's official position on 9/11.
If exposing the IRREFUTABLE TRUTH about 9/11 (an inside job, US & Israel) makes us "nut jobs" in the eyes of the "average American", then perhaps the "average American" is beyond hope.
If you insist on burying your head in the sand about 9/11, thats your right. But where do you get off labeling us as "nuts" when I guaran-damn-tee you that you havent done any research into the matter yourself.
has it ever occured to you that if the mass media can blackout so much good news about Ron Paul (95%of Americans have never heard of him!)...that they could just as easily cover up the facts of 9/11?...THINK ABOUT IT!
try and refute this... www.911truthvirus.com
hard@work
08-31-2007, 02:37 PM
If pursuing the IRREFUTABLE TRUTH about 9/11 makes us "nut jobs" in the eues of the "average American"
No, it's acting like a "nut job" about truth that makes you into or appear as a nut job.
Just sayin. :cool:
Mitt Romneys sideburns
08-31-2007, 02:44 PM
If exposing the IRREFUTABLE TRUTH about 9/11 (an inside job, US & Israel) makes us "nut jobs" in the eyes of the "average American", then perhaps the "average American" is beyond hope.
If you insist on burying your head in the sand about 9/11, thats your right. But where do you get off labeling us as "nuts" when I guaran-damn-tee you that you havent done any research into the matter yourself.
has it ever occured to you that if the mass media can blackout so much good news about Ron Paul (95%of Americans have never heard of him!)...that they could just as easily cover up the facts of 9/11?...THINK ABOUT IT!
try and refute this... www.911truthvirus.com
But Ron Paul doesnt believe 911 was an inside job. Isnt he just "burrying his head in the sand" with his nutty ideas about some made up word called "blowback" ?
So why do you support him?
cujothekitten
08-31-2007, 02:48 PM
They are Americans and they have every right to support any candidate they want. The more we start pushing that point the better off everyone will be.
I may not agree with their views but I'll most certainly defend their right to support Ron and I happily welcome their hard work.
P.s. If a flame war starts in this thread I'll move it but I want visitors to read some of the points in the thread. Really think about what people are saying when they say a candidate should distance themselves from members of the voting public. Is this something we really want to indorse? I say no.
cujothekitten
08-31-2007, 02:50 PM
But Ron Paul doesnt believe 911 was an inside job. Isnt he just "burrying his head in the sand" with his nutty ideas about some made up word called "blowback" ?
So why do you support him?
Perhaps it's because 9/11 truth isn't the only issue they're thinking about...
I'm not sold on the gold standard but I still support Ron.
quickmike
08-31-2007, 02:54 PM
I dont see them as a liability, but I dont see why anyone would waste their time on 911 truth unless they personaly plan on going to washington DC to make the ones they feel responsible pay for their crimes. Its like playing video games, sure its fun, but nothing substantial will ever come out of it.
Razmear
08-31-2007, 02:56 PM
The recent History Channel 9/11 Conspiracy Theory special said that 33% of Americans believe that the government is covering up details about 9/11.
I'd be thrilled if that 33% all voted for Ron Paul.
Take your support where you can get it.
eb
remaxjon
08-31-2007, 03:00 PM
no
All voices have people who don't agree with them. I've personaly seen truthers, white supremist, people who advocate dog fighting, old school republicans, libertarians, and countless other groups who for the most part just want to be left alone. Freedom attracts all types of people. You don't vote for the people who support Ron Paul you vote for Ron Paul.
Tucker
just did a segment strippers for Ron Paul.
quickmike
08-31-2007, 03:02 PM
The recent History Channel 9/11 Conspiracy Theory special said that 33% of Americans believe that the government is covering up details about 9/11.
I'd be thrilled if that 33% all voted for Ron Paul.
Take your support where you can get it.
eb
People should support Ron Paul because he believes in the constitution, not because they believe 911 was an inside job. After all, what does 911 have to do with Ron Paul? I mean, thats great that they support him, but how are the two connected?
I like feta cheese, but I dont connect my love of feta cheese to the Ron Paul campaign and wear a "feta cheese lover for Ron Paul" shirt. If you wanna do that, fine, I just dont see how the two have anything at all to do with each other.
33% of people love feta cheese and I would be thrilled if all 33% voted for Ron Paul.:D no connection
ghemminger
08-31-2007, 03:03 PM
Truther is truth or thruther is false - why does it make any differnce at all, we all should for godness sakes support Ron Paul
quickmike
08-31-2007, 03:06 PM
Truther is truth or thruther is false - why does it make any differnce at all, we all should for godness sakes support Ron Paul
thats all im saying:)
happyphilter
08-31-2007, 03:06 PM
If exposing the IRREFUTABLE TRUTH about 9/11 (an inside job, US & Israel) makes us "nut jobs" in the eyes of the "average American", then perhaps the "average American" is beyond hope.
If you insist on burying your head in the sand about 9/11, thats your right. But where do you get off labeling us as "nuts" when I guaran-damn-tee you that you havent done any research into the matter yourself.
has it ever occured to you that if the mass media can blackout so much good news about Ron Paul (95%of Americans have never heard of him!)...that they could just as easily cover up the facts of 9/11?...THINK ABOUT IT!
try and refute this... www.911truthvirus.com
It is refutable, its been done multiple times by legitimate sources. And if 8 years studying engineering and construction isn't enough research id like to know where you get your facts.
hard@work
08-31-2007, 03:08 PM
Ron Paul supports new investigations into 9/11 to locate "incompetence". I think that's enough for the truthers to support him. In addition to that the idea that a man can take reigns of executive power and secure freedom against those that would do something like 9/11 must be very attractive. The real threat are those who disagree with so called "truthers" desires to see Ron Paul as president. Those are the real crazies and nut jobs - the ones willing to sacrifice Liberty and our patriotic duty to question our government and dissent from the party lines.
quickmike
08-31-2007, 03:10 PM
has it ever occured to you that if the mass media can blackout so much good news about Ron Paul (95%of Americans have never heard of him!)...that they could just as easily cover up the facts of 9/11?...THINK ABOUT IT!
Yeah great, now what are you going to do about it? You gonna go kill those responsible with your bare hands? Are you going to open a new investigation team made up of the very people that you think were involved?
Waste of time even if it is true.
People still debating JFK after all these years................. how much closer are we to holding someone responsible?
ghemminger
08-31-2007, 03:11 PM
thats all im saying:)
Yeah I aggree with this really smart guy!
What a GREAT name for you Ridiculous. I am sooooooooooooooo sick of people trying to divide Ron Paul supporters. Hopefully the reason we are here is because we support Ron Paul. Not everyone thinks alike. Not everyone believes the same thing. And most of us wouldn't have it ANY OTHER WAY!!! Truthers a liability? I think not. The way I see it just another voter for RON PAUL and a whole bunch of them! Hell yeah!!!!!!
Are Truther grassroots activists a liability to the Campaign.
Are the truthers hurting the campaign with New World Order nonsense?
Yes the average American has some questions about 9/11, but I also think that the average American views that the "9/11 was an inside job" truthers as nut jobs.
I also think that if Paul were to get the nomination, he should stop giving interviews with people like Alex Jones. Jones, while probably sincere, is also a business man making money off of Truther's fears.... It really isn't a whole lot different than Giuliani being a 9/11 profiteer
I personally share Ron Paul's official position on 9/11.
Paulitician
08-31-2007, 03:21 PM
I just wish the facts were clearly laid out. There are far too many people out there that believe Ron Paul is some type of "conspiracy nut." Somehow that's bad thing for whatever reason, and I see the media using this demean Ron Paul and his supporters in order to keep potential supporters away from the compaign. I have no problem with "truthers." According to the definition, I'm somewhat of a "truther" and don't buy the official story myself. It's one thing to be a truther though, but it's another thing to shout "9/11 was an inside job!11" or other statements that don't have any substantial backing and align it to the Ron Paul campaign when it clearly has no place.
Ridiculous
08-31-2007, 03:27 PM
I guaran-damn-tee you that you havent done any research into the matter yourself.
Have done research, have been to Alex Jones' sites, do have a copy of Loose Change. Some of the stuff is valid, some is nonsense sensationalism. Don't consider myself part of the Truther camp.
Ridiculous
08-31-2007, 03:27 PM
No, it's acting like a "nut job" about truth that makes you into or appear as a nut job.
Just sayin. :cool:
agreed
jmunjr
08-31-2007, 03:38 PM
One more person agreeing that the 911 Truth evidence is refutable. So much of the evidence is hokey at best. There is some stuff that seems suspicious, but nothing incriminating. The sad part is even if there is some truth to some of it, it is blanketed with all this other crap that is laughable.
Now, as for Ron Paul, the 911 Truther movement does scare people away. I know because I know people when asked about Ron Paul have responded that he is one of those "tin foil hat guys who think 9/11 was an inside job". I doubt he got that label on his own..
FWIW and I am sure you truthers will like this: some Lebanese and Palestinian acquaintances last night got very offensive with me about how muslims were blamed for 9/11 and they too think it was an inside job..
ghemminger
08-31-2007, 03:39 PM
Truble with this Truther Stuff it advances this Revolution To MAvcon 10 and beyond
Ridiculous
08-31-2007, 03:43 PM
Wake up the Sheeple all you want. It is your right. But just don't mix that agenda with Paul's.
maggiebott
08-31-2007, 03:57 PM
Gawd...i am a truther or whatever label you wish to put on me. When I talk about Ron Paul I don't speak about 9/11. It's really that simple folks. I have a Ron Paul sticker on my car. I won't put on a 9/11 inside job on there unless we don't win.
My own feelings is that Dr. Paul has not ruled out there are some horrible people working at the white house and pentagon. An independent investigation will happen if he wins.
Another way to make my point...I woudn't put pro choice and I'm an atheist next to a Ron Paul sticker. For those who wish to hide the obvious links from 9/11 to wars, you have a lot of reading and videos to watch.
LibertyEagle
08-31-2007, 03:59 PM
This is a "Ridiculous" thread.
ghemminger
08-31-2007, 03:59 PM
Gawd...i am a truther or whatever label you wish to put on me. When I talk about Ron Paul I don't speak about 9/11. It's really that simple folks. I have a Ron Paul sticker on my car. I won't put on a 9/11 inside job on there unless we don't win.
My own feelings is that Dr. Paul has not ruled out there are some horrible people working at the white house and pentagon. An independent investigation will happen if he wins.
Another way to make my point...I woudn't put pro choice and I'm an atheist next to a Ron Paul sticker. For those who wish to hide the obvious links from 9/11 to wars, you have a lot of reading and videos to watch.
Very Good Point - and very darn sensible - so why all the arguing
Zydeco
08-31-2007, 04:08 PM
9/11 was a false flag operation and everyone at high levels of military and government knows damn well it was. It was only a small criminal clique that pulled it off, but it was a very powerful one.
The whole intellectual superstructure we live under in America is about to change dramatically. We're going to see that so much of our public life -- elections, newscasts, politicians, education -- is fake, an elaborate mirage created by elites to do what elites have always done: dominate others economically, socially, and militarily.
Our institutions are going to be reworked from the ground up, and some of them will not survive. Already very few Americans trust the president, the Congress, the mainstream media, the universities. There is rampant corrpution and deceit, and all done by elites for the benefit of their class. And it's all coming to an end, thanks to the organizing power of the internet.
Ron Paul is a part of this process, a big part. So is 9/11; when more and more people become aware of what really happened on that day and why -- and the truthers are getting louder -- there will be, in addition to some very historic trials, moral outrage to open up these institutions and destroy the cloak of secrecy that has allowed their pernicious behavior to go unchecked. The current administration, the two major political parties, and the MSM are three entities that have such rough times ahead that their very existence is questionable in the future. Of course, Cheney and the gang could just false flag us and try to impose martial law, in which case, we can all figure out what to do.
But do we have to bring Ron Paul up together with the 9/11 truthers? We shouldn't go out of our way to either deny or court the truthers. They are a related but separate movement.
ButchHowdy
08-31-2007, 04:13 PM
Jesus lovin' truther here!
Heck, I even believe the sinking of the Titanic was a move to bolster the central bank agenda.
Am I a liability? Probably not.
Wake up the Sheeple all you want. It is your right. But just don't mix that agenda with Paul's.
Amen. Folks, this is not a divisive sentiment.
We should be able to agree that it's counterproductive to inject agendas that contradict Ron Paul's own beliefs. Counterproductive to electing Ron Paul, that is. If their real agenda is something else, then the actions of the parasites will speak for where they really stand.
lost_in_samoa
08-31-2007, 04:16 PM
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Zydeco
08-31-2007, 04:18 PM
We should be able to agree that it's counterproductive to inject agendas that contradict Ron Paul's own beliefs. Counterproductive to electing Ron Paul, that is. If their real agenda is something else, then the actions of the parasites will speak for where they really stand.
Easy, tiger. Congressman Paul himself goes on Alex Jones's show all the time (most recently earlier this week) and Jesse Benton (Paul's press secretary) was on today. So the "parasitism" evidently goes all the way to the top if we're using strokes that broad.
MikeKey.com
08-31-2007, 04:19 PM
We all need to support Ron Paul. Because all of us support this nations founding ideals, the CONSITIUTION
ghemminger
08-31-2007, 04:32 PM
We all need to support Ron Paul. Because all of us support this nations founding ideals, the CONSITIUTION
Stop arguing and just do something were all in this together!
We should be able to agree that it's counterproductive to inject agendas that contradict Ron Paul's own beliefs. Counterproductive to electing Ron Paul, that is. If their real agenda is something else, then the actions of the parasites will speak for where they really stand.
Easy, tiger. Congressman Paul himself goes on Alex Jones's show all the time (most recently earlier this week) and Jesse Benton (Paul's press secretary) was on today. So the "parasitism" evidently goes all the way to the top if we're using strokes that broad.
Touche! Is RP a parasite on the truthers? Hahaha! Interesting.
I know Ron and Alex are friends, but I think he's opening up a box of ammo for his opponents by being on that show. So let's stop "parasitism" all the way 'round before we experience "blowback".
Seriously, we all need to evaluate our actions honestly and ask ourselves if we're (a) advancing the cause or (b) glomming onto it for some other purpose. If (b), then continue supporting Ron Paul and your other agenda, just please do it separately. Just my $.02.
paulitics
08-31-2007, 04:36 PM
personal observation:
The number of divisive treads made by "nontruthers" far outweigh those who call themselves truthers. This has been true for a long time and am reminded of this almost every day.
ghemminger
08-31-2007, 04:37 PM
personal observation:
The number of divisive treads made by "nontruthers" far outweigh those who call themselves truthers. This has been true for a long time and am reminded of this almost every day.
Neutrualize a truther = agree with said truther
trispear
08-31-2007, 04:41 PM
Truthers are a liability when they push their beliefs using Ron Paul's name or alongside Ron Paul.
Please leave the non-RP agendas at home and for another, different rally.
ghemminger
08-31-2007, 04:42 PM
Truthers are a liability when they push their beliefs using Ron Paul's name or alongside Ron Paul.
Please leave the non-RP agendas at home and for another, different rally.
This is the source of the conflict - and I aggree - just act like you sympathize with them more and they wouldn't get all addamant about the re beliefs
libertarian4321
08-31-2007, 04:45 PM
If exposing the IRREFUTABLE TRUTH about 9/11 (an inside job, US & Israel) makes us "nut jobs" in the eyes of the "average American", then perhaps the "average American" is beyond hope.
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The important thing is to NOT alienate voters. I don't care how strong your belief in "truth" or "libertarianism" or whatever is, if you come off as a raving lunatic, you will have FAILED your mission, no matter how "right" you think you are.
If you get in someones face, yelling and spitting, I GUARANTEE you will create a voter who won't even consider Ron Paul as a candidate.
When talking to a potential Ron Paul voter, the key is to ADDRESS THAT VOTERS CONCERNS as best you can. As an example, if you are at an anti war rally, don't start ranting about 9-11 Truth or excessive taxation, talk about what those folks are mostly likely to be receptive too- ending the war.
If you are at a strippers convention, don't rant about 9-11 truth/taxation, talk about how Ron Paul is the candidate most likely to let them continue their profession without interference.
Conversely, if you are at a 9-11 truth meetup, feel free to discuss 9-11 truth all day.
If you are at a libertarian meeting, open up the tax issue.
Tailor your discussion to your audience. Its not about what YOUR favorite issue is, its about what THEIR favorite issue is. And don't rant or get in people's faces if they disagree with you. "Winning the argument" isn't the point here folks (and, btw, if you have to "get in someone's face", you will NEVER convince them).
The important thing is to get Ron Paul elected first.
I'll be at the Texas straw poll this weekend- I'll wander over to the peace rally nearby at some point during the day. If someone at that rally asks "who is ron paul", I guarantee "9-11 truth" "high taxes" or "CFR" won't be the topic I will be discussing- I'll be talking about how President Paul will BRING THE TROOPS HOME!
Colleen
08-31-2007, 04:46 PM
If exposing the IRREFUTABLE TRUTH about 9/11 (an inside job, US & Israel) makes us "nut jobs" in the eyes of the "average American", then perhaps the "average American" is beyond hope.
If you insist on burying your head in the sand about 9/11, thats your right. But where do you get off labeling us as "nuts" when I guaran-damn-tee you that you havent done any research into the matter yourself.
has it ever occured to you that if the mass media can blackout so much good news about Ron Paul (95%of Americans have never heard of him!)...that they could just as easily cover up the facts of 9/11?...THINK ABOUT IT!
try and refute this... www.911truthvirus.com
I do agree that there needs to be - as Ron Paul wishes - an independent inquiry into this whole mess. One thing I love about our Ron...he has the guts to speak the courage of his convictions. I love him for this. I seek to emulate him and this - in my view - includes free speech.
And no one in the msm has done anything other than a hack-job on sorting out the inconsistencies of this story. Especially building 7. But we do need to remember who the MSM actually is, lest we forget:
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/04/47530.php
And I do agree with your assertion that Ron Paul is being intentionally censored. It is beyond obvious, to me.
ghemminger
08-31-2007, 04:47 PM
The important thing is to NOT alienate voters. I don't care how strong your belief in "truth" or "libertarianism" or whatever is, if you come off as a raving lunatic, you will have FAILED your mission, no matter how "right" you think you are.
If you get in someones face, yelling and spitting, I GUARANTEE you will create a voter who won't even consider Ron Paul as a candidate.
When talking to a potential Ron Paul voter, the key is to ADDRESS THAT VOTERS CONCERNS as best you can. As an example, if you are at an anti war rally, don't start ranting about 9-11 Truth or excessive taxation, talk about what those folks are mostly likely to be receptive too- ending the war.
If you are at a strippers convention, don't rant about 9-11 truth/taxation, talk about how Ron Paul is the candidate most likely to let them continue their profession without interference.
Conversely, if you are at a 9-11 truth meetup, feel free to discuss 9-11 truth all day.
If you are at a libertarian meeting, open up the tax issue.
Tailor your discussion to your audience. Its not about what YOUR favorite issue is, its about what THEIR favorite issue is. And don't rant or get in people's faces if they disagree with you. "Winning the argument" isn't the point here folks (and, btw, if you have to "get in someone's face", you will NEVER convince them).
The important thing is to get Ron Paul elected first.
I aggree!
OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR! Asked and answered. Over and over again. I protest this attempt to start another truther war.
ghemminger
08-31-2007, 04:49 PM
yes - Doth too protest
hard@work
08-31-2007, 04:50 PM
The important thing is to NOT alienate voters. I don't care how strong your belief in "truth" or "libertarianism" or whatever is, if you come off as a raving lunatic, you will have FAILED your mission, no matter how "right" you think you are.
:D
Hey, I'm an enemy operative according to some (which I accuse of the same).
coo coo!
OBJECTION, YOUR HONOR! Asked and answered. Over and over again. I protest this attempt to start another truther war.
Maybe we need a FAQ for this forum that includes mention of such battles that have already been fought to a stalemate.
I'd also like to put in a plug for the idea that Hot Topics not show up on the main New Posts link. That should help the truthers and non-truthers stay out of each others' hair.
Shink
08-31-2007, 05:02 PM
everyone stop asking about liabilities
POST OF THE DECADE.
It is refutable, its been done multiple times by legitimate sources. And if 8 years studying engineering and construction isn't enough research id like to know where you get your facts.
(9/11 truth has NEVER been refuted, unless you consider the hit and run, straw man , pot shots of government/MSM "experts" to be legitimate refutatation.
It is interesting to note that the "experts" who defend the Bin Laden fairy tale have REFUSED...time and time again to debate the physicists, scholars, engineers, intelliegnce people etc who are 9/11 truthers.
I wish that those of you who call us "nuts" would actually dedicate some time to researching the facts before you ridicule us. But before you do any research, you need to understand that the biggest barrioer to understanding the truth is not intellectual...it is PSYCHOLOGICAL.
Read the allegory of the cave by Plato...then study 911truthvirus.com in depth...
take small bites....it took me 2 years to deprogram myself. But if u stick with it, I promise that the truth will eventually hit you right between the eyes.
And though I agree that 9/11 activities should not be directly linked with Ron paul campaigning...keep in mind that once a person is turned on to 9/11 truth...HE AUTOMATICALLY BECOMES A RON PAUL SUPPORTER because he understand that the same forces who are blacklisting RP are the ones who did 9/11
These bastards murdered 3000 Americans in order to get us into war, set up the PATRIOT Act and Homeland security.
Revolution9
08-31-2007, 05:17 PM
They have the right to believe whatever they want. But it is they that got Paul associated with the "tin foil hat", not the moderate republicans, rational libertarians and convert dems.
Alright drooldonkey. I was awaiting your tinfoil hat remark that places you squarely in the camp of the brainwashed collectivists wh have the bizzarre notion that the truth is something to slander and those who research and draw comclusions from such are to be shunned. Frankly..we don't heed low IQ'ed, paranoia projecting flamewar firing misfits walltzing insensibly through the campaign stirring up antagonism.
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The desire for truth is the highest of all desires, yet, it is still a desire. All desires must be given up for the real to be.....When all search ceases, it is the Supreme State.
Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
All truth is safe and nothing else is safe, but he who keeps back truth, or withholds it from men, from motives of expediency, is either a coward or a criminal.
James Russell Lowell
Not being known doesn't stop the truth from being true.
Richard Bach American Author
Everything we hear is an opinion, not a fact. Everything we see is a perspective, not the truth.
Marcus Aurelius
The first casualty of war is truth.
Hiram Johnson
There is not a truth existing which I fear... or would wish unknown to the whole world.
Thomas Jefferson
Half a truth is often a great lie.
Benjamin Franklin
A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.
Mark Twain
Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened.
Winston Churchill
A remark generally hurts in proportion to its truth.
Will Rogers
I was bold in the pursuit of knowledge, never fearing to follow truth and reason to whatever results they led, and bearding every authority which stood in their way.
Thomas Jefferson
It is proof of a base and low mind for one to wish to think with the masses or majority, merely because the majority is the majority. Truth does not change because it is, or is not, believed by a majority of the people.
Giordano Bruno
Truth is tough. It will not break, like a bubble, at a touch; nay, you may kick it about all day like a football, and it will be round and full at evening.
Oliver Wendell Holmes
The discovery of truth is prevented more effectively, not by the false appearance things present and which mislead into error, not directly by weakness of the reasoning powers, but by preconceived opinion, by prejudice.
Arthur Schopenhauer
That being said.. go piss up a rope shortstop.
Randy
lost_in_samoa
08-31-2007, 05:22 PM
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Revolution9
08-31-2007, 05:22 PM
Wake up the Sheeple all you want. It is your right. But just don't mix that agenda with Paul's.
STFU control freak..
Randy
Revolution9
08-31-2007, 05:26 PM
Amen. Folks, this is not a divisive sentiment.
Yer right. It is a statement by a control freaking drooldonkey who deems themselves more intelligent than everybody but s afraid of the truth.
Randy
Revolution9
08-31-2007, 05:31 PM
Max,
I know you've been here longer than me. I'm just a lowly lurker.
But you are beginning to sound like a TROLL to me. Chill.
Go print and distribute some slim-jims. Air out your anger by logging on and donating some cash to the campaign. Work with your meetup folks and do something constructive.
We need to concentrate on Dr. Paul's campaign
Sincerely
Lost_in_Samoa
On behalf of max in the face of your demeaning commands I offer you this rope to piss up..
Thanks
Randy
Max,
I know you've been here longer than me. I'm just a lowly lurker.
But you are beginning to sound like a TROLL to me. Chill.
Go print and distribute some slim-jims. Air out your anger by logging on and donating some cash to the campaign. Work with your meetup folks and do something constructive.
We need to concentrate on Dr. Paul's campaign
Sincerely
Lost_in_Samoa
I dont make an issue of 9/11 in here unless some control freak starts talking trash that he doesnt know anything about. It has been my observation that in 100% of the cases where these brawls have erupted it here, its due to some sanctimonious know-it-all bithcing and whining about "9/11 truth is hurting Ron Paul"
RP continues to appear on Alex Jones radio show (Jones is an outspoken truther) and he was friends with the late film producer Aaron Russo (another Truther). Why can't you ass-clowns show us the same degree of tolerance that RP shows Jones and Russo?
RP himself doesnt throw us under the bus...so why do u?
LibertyEagle
08-31-2007, 05:39 PM
Why does someone have to start one of these threads at least once a week? It serves no purpose other than to divide us. I'm starting to wonder if that is the intent.
lost_in_samoa
08-31-2007, 05:41 PM
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DeadheadForPaul
08-31-2007, 05:42 PM
Since something like 30% of America suspects that 9/11 was done by an internal US conspiracy, and 70% suspect that the Iraq war was a lie based on 9/11 I think we'll be ok.
The liability we have with them is belligerent action and racist kooks. But whatever, these people have the right to believe what is the truth even if their methods are abrasive.
30% of Americans do not suspect that 9/11 was an inside job. They suspect there are cover-ups of government incompetence (like not being efficient). They believe that the government has not been forthcoming about all details on the events surrounding 9/11. 99% of them believe that it's just government hiding their incompetence. Only a small minority believe the U.S. government did it.
Furthermore, Ron Paul does not believe 9/11 was an inside job, so that message should not be associated with his campaign. Our political rivals on the left and right are trying to paint Dr. Paul as a 9/11 truther and conspiracy nut in order to hurt us, and I'd say they're doing a damn good job with the assistance of some of our "supporters"
Are 9/11 Truthers a Liability to the Ron Paul campaign?
At this point I am going to have to say yes.
Why?
Because the 9/11 posters here are so short sighted that they have detracted from our goals to get Dr. Paul elected.
In my opinion this is not the place for 9/11 discussion.
Revolution9 and Max if you want to discuss this with me you can meet me on the more popular 9/11 blogs. I visit there frequently.
I will no longer feed the trolls. Good day to you.
Sincerely
Lost_in_Samoa
Revolution 9........shit! This newbie figured us out. Just when we were on the brink of subverting the whole RP campaign!
We better change screen names and reinfiltrate in a week from now.
DeadheadForPaul
08-31-2007, 05:45 PM
I really do not understand what is so hard about this: RON PAUL DOES NOT BELIEVE 9/11 was an inside job. You can support him if you are a Truther, but do not link HIM to YOUR political beliefs. I'm not waving "Bomb Iran!" signs while wearing a Ron Paul shirt
dwdollar
08-31-2007, 05:47 PM
He brings in a diverse crowd. United we stand or divided we fall. It's your choice.
AFTFNJ
08-31-2007, 05:47 PM
Are Truther grassroots activists a liability to the Campaign.
Are the truthers hurting the campaign with New World Order nonsense?
Yes the average American has some questions about 9/11, but I also think that the average American views that the "9/11 was an inside job" truthers as nut jobs.
I also think that if Paul were to get the nomination, he should stop giving interviews with people like Alex Jones. Jones, while probably sincere, is also a business man making money off of Truther's fears.... It really isn't a whole lot different than Giuliani being a 9/11 profiteer
I personally share Ron Paul's official position on 9/11.
NWO Does not exist huh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Syi12RJo
Ron Paul on NWO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8DpKKSmaa8
Also the average American thinks 9/11 truthers are nut jobs because there is a massive psy ops campaigns by the government / MSM to discredit the 9/11 truth movement.
http://patriotsquestion911.com/
110+ Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials
190+ Engineers and Architects
50+ Pilots and Aviation Professionals
150+ Professors Question 9/11
190+ 9/11 Survivors and Family Members
90+ Entertainment and Media Professionals
WAKE UP!!!
DjLoTi
08-31-2007, 05:48 PM
This is so, so old. This was like so 2 months ago. I totally thought we were over this.
This is so, so old. This was like so 2 months ago. I totally thought we were over this.
not to sound like a liitle boy but....he started it
AFTFNJ
08-31-2007, 05:58 PM
It is refutable, its been done multiple times by legitimate sources. And if 8 years studying engineering and construction isn't enough research id like to know where you get your facts.
Studying engineering then this is right up your alley!! Watch it & analyze it yourself, do not let MSM analyze it for you.
San Francisco Bay area architect Richard Gage, AIA,
http://www.ae911truth.org/ -Architects & Engineers for 9/11 truth
Proof of Controlled Demolition 9/11 - Architect speaks out
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6883441047197474365 Part 1
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4995319675737766037 Part 2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7686303663508827383 Part 3
Revolution9
08-31-2007, 06:16 PM
Revolution9 and Max if you want to discuss this with me you can meet me on the more popular 9/11 blogs. I visit there frequently.
Good for you. I don't and have no desire to be on a 911 forum. I am a part of no group. I am an individual helping how I can with the RP campaign.. This is all 101 to me. I know way the fuck more than most about this. Ny issue is with drooldonkey control freaks wth low IQ'ds trawling theough here like bozo the insiulting clown and think their sanctimonious BS deserves a fair hearing.
Warning. Stop makng assumptions you may be forced to eat. Some people here have extensive backgrounds you have no clue about, as evidenced by your presumptions I would go to a 911 board to discuss this.
Randy
dsentell
08-31-2007, 06:18 PM
He brings in a diverse crowd. United we stand or divided we fall. It's your choice.
DITTO -- DITTO -- DITTO.....
I, too am tired of all this 9-11 arguing. It has NOTHING to do with this campaign!
For the record, I am a truther, my husband is a truther, we were introduced to Ron Paul by a truther, even though Dr. Paul is not a truther.
Stop trying to alienate and divide RP supporters! Ron Paul unites people - we all love and support him for our different reasons.
Revolution9
08-31-2007, 06:21 PM
Revolution 9........shit! This newbie figured us out. Just when we were on the brink of subverting the whole RP campaign!
We better change screen names and reinfiltrate in a week from now.
He ain't very bright. I hate to have to go through the agencies and heads of this and that I have full email archives from being in the investigatory loops with. Or that I never drew my conclusions from watching a video or participating in a forum or reading Alex Jones. Head Of Interpol, CIA CounterTerrorism, trojan horse trackers for four Presidents, figures in mideastern Royal Courts, ONI.. All prior to 2002 and some prior to 1999.
Jaws will drop when the Gold Badges finish rolling up the carpet on this criminal enterprise.
Best
Randy
Revolution9
08-31-2007, 06:22 PM
I really do not understand what is so hard about this: RON PAUL DOES NOT BELIEVE 9/11 was an inside job. You can support him if you are a Truther, but do not link HIM to YOUR political beliefs. I'm not waving "Bomb Iran!" signs while wearing a Ron Paul shirt
I really do not know what is so hard to understand about this.. STFU and stop telling your elders what to do junior.
Randy
DjLoTi
08-31-2007, 06:35 PM
not to sound like a liitle boy but....he started it
lol. And this is why I thought we were over this.... like 2 months ago.
Electric Church
08-31-2007, 06:39 PM
I hope you sincere folk out there realize that this thread is infested with trolls playing off of each other and laughing at you as you get sucked in for the 100th time. Please don't let yourselves get sucked in again. I mean who with a liberty loving mind would come out and say that such and such a group shouldn't support Ron Paul because of their views about a particular issue?
lucius
08-31-2007, 06:39 PM
Why does someone have to start one of these threads at least once a week? It serves no purpose other than to divide us. I'm starting to wonder if that is the intent.
Agreed
quickmike
08-31-2007, 06:43 PM
WOW!!!!!!
Theres a buttload of posts in this thread for it being so new. Whats the argument all about anyway? :D
Revolution9
08-31-2007, 08:34 PM
WOW!!!!!!
Theres a buttload of posts in this thread for it being so new. Whats the argument all about anyway? :D
Argument??.. I thought it was a signal for another free for all Three Stooges styled cream pie throwing barroom brawl pier sixer kinda thread:D
Best
Randy
SeanEdwards
08-31-2007, 09:06 PM
They probably are, but the legalize pot people probably are too. Then there's the white supremacist people, and tax protestors. All of them liabilities. What can you do?
The worst liability is probably Paul himself and his intollerable truths that cause the media to relentlessly try to ice him out.
hard@work
08-31-2007, 09:10 PM
They probably are, but the legalize pot people probably are too. Then there's the white supremacist people, and tax protestors. All of them liabilities. What can you do?
protest the tax on pot supremacists?
Seriously though would help if people like yourself and Randy buried the hatchet and got down to discussing how we should get them investigations we all want going yeah?
Just sayin', again.
Argument??.. I thought it was a signal for another free for all Three Stooges styled cream pie throwing barroom brawl pier sixer kinda thread:D
Best
Randy
Like Clemenza said in The Godfather...these things need to happen once in a while...gets rid of the bad blood
hard@work
08-31-2007, 09:29 PM
I think we need an off topic forum where we can get to know each other outside of our political views. It is easier to agree to disagree when we have that. Community depends on this type of conversation as well. What do I care what one person thinks about the tax code if I think he's the greatest person alive for understanding that the mexican food in San Diego is the best in the whole frikkin universe?
Instead, we bicker like children mistrusting each other over a sad event that launched our nation into an uneccessary war. Personally, I think it's time to talk about tacos.
rich34
08-31-2007, 09:34 PM
No, so long as they don't push their own personal agendas in the name of Ron Paul. Lets get him elected first then worry about the government transparancy part. :-)
Geronimo
08-31-2007, 10:06 PM
Are Truther grassroots activists a liability to the Campaign.
Are the truthers hurting the campaign with New World Order nonsense?
.
IMHO the New World Order isn't nonsense. The average Joe might not be too receptive to the notion, but the truth of the matter is that the New World Order is well in motion. Not that I'm an advocate for the NWO, but when you know more about the NWO, and it's agenda, you know what to look for, and you'll be able to see signs of it just about everywhere.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Syi12RJo
Thanks to the internet, the agenda of the NWO isn't a the great secret that it once was.
The Skull and Bones Society, Bohemian Grove, and all that stuff do exist, and like it or not, those scum bags are rapidly taking over.
In all the perhaps hundreds of Ron Paul videos I've watched, I've never seen any Ron Paul supporters that seemed like "raving lunatics"or "nuts".
Where does this concern that "truthers" might be a liability come from? From Michelle Malkin and O'Reilly? Get over it already. It's getting old.
AFTFNJ
08-31-2007, 10:50 PM
NWO Does not exist huh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7a9Syi12RJo
Ron Paul on NWO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8DpKKSmaa8
Also the average American thinks 9/11 truthers are nut jobs because there is a massive psy ops campaigns by the government / MSM to discredit the 9/11 truth movement.
http://patriotsquestion911.com/
110+ Senior Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement, and Government Officials
190+ Engineers and Architects
50+ Pilots and Aviation Professionals
150+ Professors Question 9/11
190+ 9/11 Survivors and Family Members
90+ Entertainment and Media Professionals
WAKE UP!!!
I did post that before...& watch RP on NWO too...
V-rod
08-31-2007, 11:18 PM
The problem with many truthers is that many of them believe the NWO people to be some secret powerful cabal willing to commit terrorist acts to further their goals.
Intelligent people like Ron Paul label the New World Order as a state of mind of many neo-cons and liberals who want to move to a unified global government as soon as possible.
There is a difference between the two!
The Good Doctor
08-31-2007, 11:46 PM
No they are just as passionate as Ron Paulers. And I heard the truth from Alex Jones - I would not be here if it wasn't for Alex Jones. I knew of Ron Paul long before he announced his candidacy - through Alex Jones.
Alex Jones is partially responsible for the Ron Paul movement.
Truthers use the same debate tactics that Ron Paulers use to convince others of their position.
We all question bullshit.
If you want to exclude or say that Truthers are not worthwhile to the cause you are sadly wrong and are missing the point of Ron Paul's message of unity.
Why does Alex say to copy his DVD's and give them away then? He knows not everyone can afford them. I have bought every one of his films sans the last one. Each one has valuable information that everyone here should hear.
Everything he speaks of is documented. The man is a walking encyclopedia. If you did what he did and knew as much as him you might start getting a little crazy when the dots get connected.
Are Truther grassroots activists a liability to the Campaign.
Are the truthers hurting the campaign with New World Order nonsense?
Yes the average American has some questions about 9/11, but I also think that the average American views that the "9/11 was an inside job" truthers as nut jobs.
I also think that if Paul were to get the nomination, he should stop giving interviews with people like Alex Jones. Jones, while probably sincere, is also a business man making money off of Truther's fears.... It really isn't a whole lot different than Giuliani being a 9/11 profiteer
I personally share Ron Paul's official position on 9/11.
The Good Doctor
08-31-2007, 11:52 PM
Follow the money on the "puts' in the stock market against the airlines and businesses in the WTC and you will find your answers. Why haven't they done this yet?
Why haven't they released a full video of the "plane" that hit the Pentagon? There are literally hundreds of video cameras in that area.
One more person agreeing that the 911 Truth evidence is refutable. So much of the evidence is hokey at best. There is some stuff that seems suspicious, but nothing incriminating. The sad part is even if there is some truth to some of it, it is blanketed with all this other crap that is laughable.
Now, as for Ron Paul, the 911 Truther movement does scare people away. I know because I know people when asked about Ron Paul have responded that he is one of those "tin foil hat guys who think 9/11 was an inside job". I doubt he got that label on his own..
FWIW and I am sure you truthers will like this: some Lebanese and Palestinian acquaintances last night got very offensive with me about how muslims were blamed for 9/11 and they too think it was an inside job..
Mike told me they were yelling 9/11 truth loud enough so everyone can hear. Why are the truthers making this a 9/11 truth campaign? Yes, if they keep this shit up they are a liability. Not very smart IMO.
LibertyEagle
08-31-2007, 11:57 PM
Mike told me they were yelling 9/11 truth loud enough so everyone can hear. Why are the truthers making this a 9/11 truth campaign? Yes, if they keep this shit up they are a liability. Not very smart IMO.
Are you talking about at the Ft. Worth rally?
Are you talking about at the Ft. Worth rally?
quickmike told me this:
Oh they yelled 911 truth nice and loud so everyone could hear it. I wonder how many delegates that were undecided showed up to listen to Ron Paul speak and were turned off? Hard to say for sure, but if I was one of those people I might have second thoughts about casting my vote for Ron, especially if I didnt know much about him. Its different when you know Rons stance on the subject, but if you dont, you might get the wrong idea about him.
Oh well, its a free country so you cant stop someone from possibly turning off potential supporters. Maybe thats what they wanted all along, who knows.
it's on this thread: http://ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=15115&page=7
Were they chanting it?
The Good Doctor
09-01-2007, 12:03 AM
Well these people could be infilitrators. I would gather that Truthers know not to bring this agenda to a Ron Paul event. Their not stupid.
Mike told me they were yelling 9/11 truth loud enough so everyone can hear. Why are the truthers making this a 9/11 truth campaign? Yes, if they keep this shit up they are a liability. Not very smart IMO.
Anti Federalist
09-01-2007, 12:05 AM
Phew, and I read the whole thread.
The points were mostly all made that I wanted to make, except these.
My wife and I, two "truthers", beyond any shadow of doubt.
You know what?
We drop the topic in unknown territory, when trying to spread the message of Ron Paul.
We both realize that the MSM and TPTB would just love to tag the "9/11 kook krowd" label on Dr. Paul and by G-d, no matter how strongly we feel about that issue, we are NOT going to give the Hannity's and O'Reilly's of the world that ammunition.
Most "truthers", Alex Jones included, act the same way. As many times as he has been on the show, and Dr. Paul knows that just being on the show is enough to make the neocons screech, and he doesn't press the issue, sticking to more general government corruption and war issues.
So "cool off" non-truthers, we'll settle all this after Dr. Paul wins.
Right now, you need us and we need you and the good doctor needs every single one of us.
LibertyEagle
09-01-2007, 12:15 AM
That's fine, anti federalist. Just please watch your own.
Anti Federalist
09-01-2007, 12:23 AM
That's fine, anti federalist. Just please watch your own.
If by that you mean fellow travelers in the 9/11 truth movement, I am watching.
I made the point to a small group just tonight.
cjhowe
09-01-2007, 12:31 AM
The problem with many truthers is that many of them believe the NWO people to be some secret powerful cabal willing to commit terrorist acts to further their goals.
Intelligent people like Ron Paul label the New World Order as a state of mind of many neo-cons and liberals who want to move to a unified global government as soon as possible.
There is a difference between the two!
Exactly. Alex Jones has propagated this cloak and dagger vision of the new world order when in reality the new world order is what Dinesh D'Souza discussed in his debate with Ron Paul at Freedom Fest. The vision that all men are created equal and their liberties should be protected, that these liberties are not uniquely American. This is a noble vision, to be sure, which is why you have so many smart and influential people in organizations like the CFR and those pushing for a government where the U.N. is able to pursue its peace keeping mandate. However, as noble as this vision is, there is a fatal flaw. Man cannot create freedom. Man cannot create liberty. Man can only protect it or destroy it.
When we look at another nation and determine that they aren't recognizing the unalienable rights of its citizens, we fail to recognize that as hellish as something may look to us, certain liberties are indeed being protected. When we go in those nations with force to liberate people, all we do is destroy the liberties that were being protected. We don't create any liberties, we don't posses the capabilities to create liberty.
Since we cannot create liberty, all we can do is recognize where we can protect liberty. The easiest place to recognize where we can protect liberty is at our borders, where we can assert our sovereignty. When we can protect within our borders all freedoms and all liberties of those within it, a by-product of that will be enormous prosperity. A prosperity that other nations will not be able to ignore. Leaders of those nations will recognize that they too can achieve prosperity when they cease to destroy the liberties within their sovereign border.
This is why sovereignty is important and respecting other's sovereignty is important. If you wish to delusion yourself into the cloak and dagger view of the world or you wish to delusion yourself into believing that you are able to manufacture freedom and liberty, there will be no change. There will be no improvement.
That's fine, anti federalist. Just please watch your own.
What exactly does this mean? Does it mean, " I will do whatever I want to do, mind your own business and leave me to mine " ?
If so I would say that's selfish and not very wise.
lucius
09-01-2007, 06:29 AM
The problem with many truthers is that many of them believe the NWO people to be some secret powerful cabal willing to commit terrorist acts to further their goals.
Intelligent people like Ron Paul label the New World Order as a state of mind of many neo-cons and liberals who want to move to a unified global government as soon as possible.
There is a difference between the two!
Ron Paul stood on the floor of the House of Representatives and, in an open session, on the record, said, “A contrived Gulf of Tonkin-type incident may well occur to gain popular support for an attack on Iran.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRB3UBz1KEQ
LibertyEagle
09-01-2007, 06:33 AM
What exactly does this mean? Does it mean, " I will do whatever I want to do, mind your own business and leave me to mine " ?
If so I would say that's selfish and not very wise.
What? Are you implying it is a better approach to mind everyone else's business?
I would say that is totally against everything for which Ron Paul stands.
ZandarKoad
09-01-2007, 06:38 AM
Are Truthers a liability?
Answer: No.
cjhowe
09-01-2007, 06:41 AM
Ron Paul stood on the floor of the House of Representatives and, in an open session, on the record, said, “A contrived Gulf of Tonkin-type incident may well occur to gain popular support for an attack on Iran.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRB3UBz1KEQ
RP has clarified that statement on several occasions to mean capitalize on an event, not commit the event.
quickmike
09-01-2007, 06:43 AM
What? Are you implying it is a better approach to mind everyone else's business?
I would say that is totally against everything for which Ron Paul stands.
Yeah, I think Ill start taking a page from some of the 911 truthers campaign practices in my own way and start handing out subscriptions to High Times Magazine along with some rolling papers with my Ron Paul flyers when I talk to little old ladies on my door to door rounds. Hey, I believe weed should be legal, even though I dont smoke it, so who cares if this turns off voters. Im gonna speak my mind no matter what. If they dont like it and dont wanna hear the truth about Marajuana, well they can just go vote for someone else. We dont need more supporters. After all, its the truth that counts right?
Way to go guys..............
Fuckin idiots:mad:
LibertyEagle
09-01-2007, 06:47 AM
Most truthers don't mix 911 activism and Ron Paul. My sincerest hope is that they talk to those who are and convince them to keep it separate.
Note: Mike, you realize I'm not a Truther, right?
quickmike
09-01-2007, 06:51 AM
Most truthers don't mix 911 activism and Ron Paul. My sincerest hope is that they talk to those who are and convince them to keep it separate.
Note: Mike, you realize I'm not a Truther, right?
No liberty, I didnt mean you, nor did I mean all the truthers. Im just talking about the ones who fire off the "911 truth!!!! It was an inside job!!!!!" at Ron Paul rallies. I know most of them dont do this, and I respect their opinoin of 911 and I even agree on alot of points they make about the evidence. Im just talking to the loud mouths who make it their ultimate goal at a rally.
LibertyEagle
09-01-2007, 06:53 AM
Yeah, it makes me ill too, but I'm not sure what we can do about it. If I was there, I'd probably have a few words for them though.
quickmike
09-01-2007, 07:03 AM
Yeah, it makes me ill too, but I'm not sure what we can do about it. If I was there, I'd probably have a few words for them though.
Well, heres the thing these guys dont realize, or maybe they do and dont care. I would say that just about all 911 truthers already know about Ron Paul through Alex Jones and already support him so that segment of the population is already 100% on board. What is happening is that by yelling that, they are already preaching to the choir and not gaining any votes from 911 truthers. What will happen is that they will turn off people who arent 911 truthers who were shopping for a presidential candidate. That my friends is a NET LOSS OF VOTERS.
You gained no truthers yet you turned off many non truthers possibly. Same way I would do by preaching legalization of weed. I might gain a few weed smokers, but I would more likely turn off 10 people for each one I gained.
Like you said though, theres nothing we can do about it, and it is a free country after all. I just wish these dipshits would look at the bigger picture.
If they get their way, this might end up looking like a Ralph Nader candidacy................... and possibly with the same results.
WannaBfree
09-01-2007, 08:58 AM
Ron Paul campaign spokesman Jesse Benton was on Alex Jones yesterday. The show is still streaming (a couple more times until the new show today) and Jesse Benton will be on shortly.
www.prisonplanet.com
click 'listen live' on the left side
www.infowars.com
click 'listen now' link on top of the page
SeanEdwards
09-01-2007, 09:09 AM
protest the tax on pot supremacists?
Seriously though would help if people like yourself and Randy buried the hatchet and got down to discussing how we should get them investigations we all want going yeah?
Just sayin', again.
I don't care about any stupid investigations. Nothing new will be revealed. And all the people that fantasize that the government will play any part in revealing that the government itself is responsible for 9/11 are smoking crack.
I just want to get RP elected and terminate this evil empire we are running. The 9/11 victims are dead. No congressional hearings are going to restore them to life. Move on.
WannaBfree
09-01-2007, 09:11 AM
Ron Paul campaign spokesman Jesse Benton was on Alex Jones yesterday. The show is still streaming (a couple more times until the new show today) and Jesse Benton will be on shortly.
www.prisonplanet.com
click 'listen live' on the left side
www.infowars.com
click 'listen now' link on top of the page
He's on now
TheEvilDetector
09-01-2007, 09:56 AM
I don't care about any stupid investigations. Nothing new will be revealed. And all the people that fantasize that the government will play any part in revealing that the government itself is responsible for 9/11 are smoking crack.
I just want to get RP elected and terminate this evil empire we are running. The 9/11 victims are dead. No congressional hearings are going to restore them to life. Move on.
Good Point, the government is extremely unlikely to reveal its own guilt.
Sadly, you may very well end up being right and the responsible parties will never face justice, i.o.w the perfect crime.
ladyliberty
09-01-2007, 10:37 AM
As long as people are registered voters and are able to help Ron Paul win the primaries I am willing to lay aside what ever differences any of us may have in order to get the job done. there are many people on this board that I do not agree with, and I am sure there are plenty of people here who think I am some kinda nut too. However I am an optimistic person who believes that my one vote will count for something. Our country NEEDS Ron Paul!!!!
Frankly, I am quite surprised by some of the bashing and name calling I have seen on the various threads here - some of it directed at me. If I was not so certain that Ron Paul was THE person to do the job, I would probably get mad and vote for Huckabee or Tancredo. This might be the purpose of some of these trollers to begin with. :mad: :(
RevolutionSD
09-01-2007, 11:10 AM
To think that our government did not play a role in 9/11, either in allowing it to happen or helping it happen, is just being naieve. Of course the plot is much more complicated that the official story, so of course we should welcome anyone who wants to get to the truth about 9/11. Why would we not? Do we all want to keep wallowing in the lies?
AFTFNJ
09-01-2007, 11:29 AM
All it takes is 1 day of researching to blow the lies the government / MSM has created..rather then calling us cooks, why don't you people watch the videos & join the movement. Before you get your panties in a bunch I do not promote 9/11 truth when working for RP. Those of you who think it does not matter who did it are naive, how would you feel if you family member died in the 9/11 attacks & truth was never uncovered or the fact that we are fighting 2 wars on lies? More soldiers dying every day based on a lie.
So you have decided you are no longer going to practice character assassination like Fox news & watch the documentary from a analyst point of view. Maybe then we can have a educated debate rather then name calling?
9/11 Press For Truth - Made by 9/11 family members
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3865048042993700360&q=9%2F11+press+for+truth&total=212&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2
The Good Doctor
09-01-2007, 11:38 AM
Yeah but the Gulf of Tonkin event was contrived. It was an event that didn't happen. It was said to have happened by those that meant to capitalize on the event.
How is that any different then letting Pearl Harbor happen to get involved in WWII.
The Truthers want the truth. Even if someone knew on 9/11 and let it happen like Cheney telling the military to stand down, that is responsibility.
So, in essence allowing the event to happen is committing the event.
RP has clarified that statement on several occasions to mean capitalize on an event, not commit the event.
hard@work
09-01-2007, 11:48 AM
I don't care about any stupid investigations. Nothing new will be revealed. And all the people that fantasize that the government will play any part in revealing that the government itself is responsible for 9/11 are smoking crack.
I just want to get RP elected and terminate this evil empire we are running. The 9/11 victims are dead. No congressional hearings are going to restore them to life. Move on.
So what? I do want new investigations. Crap, I want a ton of investigations into a lot of things and I want our congress to enforce the damn law. I'm not giving up on that idealism just because our government is corrupt. I don't think you are either I just think your focus is different.
So why not support me in this? You don't have to agree with me to be happy to have me as an ally. You can still tell me to piss off and that I'm crazy. But you can fight side by side with me for what's right too.
SeanEdwards
09-01-2007, 11:50 AM
All it takes is 1 day of researching to blow the lies the government / MSM has created..rather then calling us cooks, why don't you people watch the videos & join the movement. Before you get your panties in a bunch I do not promote 9/11 truth when working for RP. Those of you who think it does not matter who did it are naive, how would you feel if you family member died in the 9/11 attacks & truth was never uncovered or the fact that we are fighting 2 wars on lies? More soldiers dying every day based on a lie.
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I don't have any particular opinion on your theories, but I do think you are acting like a nut with your self-righteous certainty. You sound like a true-believer cult follower, when we both know that you don't have any special inside connection to the 'truth'.
SeanEdwards
09-01-2007, 11:59 AM
So what? I do want new investigations. Crap, I want a ton of investigations into a lot of things and I want our congress to enforce the damn law. I'm not giving up on that idealism just because our government is corrupt. I don't think you are either I just think your focus is different.
So why not support me in this? You don't have to agree with me to be happy to have me as an ally. You can still tell me to piss off and that I'm crazy. But you can fight side by side with me for what's right too.
It's my opinion that you, and others, would reject out of hand, any government sponsored investigation that did not support the conclusion you have already reached.
Therefore, it's a waste of time. I don't believe the government is ever going to release an investigation that indicates the kind of widespread corruption and involvement necessary for 9/11 to have been an 'inside job'. The only information that will come out of an 'official' investigation will be information that obscures any guilty involvement of the US government.
Ok? THE GOVERNMENT WILL NEVER RELEASE AN INVESTIGATION THAT SATISFIES ALEX JONES. EVER. Get over it.
If you want to 'prove' this theory of yours, you'll have to do it without the help of 'officials'. This should be freaking obvious to anyone.
So investigate all you like. Find some insider who wants to spill the beans. Go for it. But quit crying for the government to 'come clean', because that will never happen.
RevolutionSD
09-01-2007, 12:02 PM
I don't have any particular opinion on your theories, but I do think you are acting like a nut with your self-righteous certainty. You sound like a true-believer cult follower, when we both know that you don't have any special inside connection to the 'truth'.
hard@work was not acting like a nut. Sean, your bias against those seeking the truth is getting in the way of you forming an objective opinion.
Study the issues and then get back to us. If you still buy the official story I don't have anything against you, because at least I know you're coming from an educated position and not just name-calling like "cult follower" and "nut".
I don't have any particular opinion on your theories, but I do think you are acting like a nut with your self-righteous certainty. You sound like a true-believer cult follower, when we both know that you don't have any special inside connection to the 'truth'.
Would you call Galileo "a nut" because he held steadfast to his theory WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY...while eveyone else laughed at his ideas?
We 9/11 truthers are "self righteous" because..well..WE ARE RIGHT!
The "cult followers" are the people who blindly defend the Bin Laden fairy tale when evidence to the contrary is overwhelming
www.911truthvirus.com
RevolutionSD
09-01-2007, 12:05 PM
It's my opinion that you, and others, would reject out of hand, any government sponsored investigation that did not support the conclusion you have already reached.
Therefore, it's a waste of time. I don't believe the government is ever going to release an investigation that indicates the kind of widespread corruption and involvement necessary for 9/11 to have been an 'inside job'. The only information that will come out of an 'official' investigation will be information that obscures any guilty involvement of the US government.
Ok? THE GOVERNMENT WILL NEVER RELEASE AN INVESTIGATION THAT SATISFIES ALEX JONES. EVER. Get over it.
If you want to 'prove' this theory of yours, you'll have to do it without the help of 'officials'. This should be freaking obvious to anyone.
So investigate all you like. Find some insider who wants to spill the beans. Go for it. But quit crying for the government to 'come clean', because that will never happen.
You're not getting it.
Nobody thinks the government is going to give us a fair investigation. That's our problem with the first one- it was filled with Bush cronies and congressional hacks! The one commonality among truthers is that we're looking for an independent investigation, not the government investigating itself again.
SeanEdwards
09-01-2007, 12:05 PM
Would you call Galileo "a nut" because he held steadfast to his theory WITH ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY...while eveyone else laughed at his ideas?
We 9/11 truthers are "self righteous" because..well..WE ARE RIGHT!
www.911truthvirus.com
You ain't Galileo.
You ain't Galileo bitch.
maybe not...but you are EXACTLY like the the vatican thugs who sought to silence him
DjLoTi
09-01-2007, 12:07 PM
dude, can we just get over this already? I don't feel like seeing this post pop up 2 weeks from now with the same people arguing the same thing
WannaBfree
09-01-2007, 12:09 PM
Ron Paul campaign spokesman Jesse Benton was on Alex Jones yesterday. The show is streaming for the final time and Jesse Benton will be on very shortly if anyone is interested.
www.prisonplanet.com
click 'listen live' on the left side
www.infowars.com
click 'listen now' link on top of the page
There no need for an investigation..we know the culprits..
911truthvirus.com
cjhowe
09-01-2007, 12:10 PM
Yeah but the Gulf of Tonkin event was contrived. It was an event that didn't happen. It was said to have happened by those that meant to capitalize on the event.
How is that any different then letting Pearl Harbor happen to get involved in WWII.
The Truthers want the truth. Even if someone knew on 9/11 and let it happen like Cheney telling the military to stand down, that is responisibility.
So, in essence allowing the event to happen is committing the event.
There was a Gulf of Tonkin incident. Who started it and the exact details appear to be murky. Regardless of who started it, those that wanted us further in the war capitalized on it.
SeanEdwards
09-01-2007, 12:11 PM
maybe not...but you are EXACTLY like the the vatican thugs who sought to silence him
I'm not silencing anybody. I'm pointing out the obvious fact that calls for a 'new investigation' are a waste of time. You want to investigate? Then investigate.
You are sitting there crying for 'authorities' to come along and validate YOUR worldview. You want to validate your worldview, then do it. Galileo didn't protest outside the vatican with a sign saying "I want a new investigation of planetary motion!" he went out on his own and proved his worldview with concrete evidence.
I'm not silencing anybody, dork. I'm pointing out the obvious fact that calls for a 'new investigation' are a waste of time. You want to investigate? Then investigate.
You are sitting there crying for 'authorities' to come along and validate YOUR worldview. You want to validate your worldview, then do it. Galileo didn't protest outside the vatican with a sign saying "I want a new investigation of planetary motion!" he went out on his own and proved his worldview with concrete evidence.
9/11 truth has already been proven. When we say we want a new investigation, what we really mean is we want these bastards tried and hanged for treason.
will this come about from the existing government/media complex?,,,not unless there is a mass uprising demanding it.
is that likely to happen?..NO..
But I'd rather fight and lose than just submit...it's a matter of principle
SeanEdwards
09-01-2007, 12:18 PM
9/11 truth has already been proven.
The only thing that's been proved is that this nation is finally reaping the rewards of generations of squelching critical thought.
Mr. White
09-01-2007, 12:20 PM
In terms of attracting mainstream voters? the truthers are a big liability. There presence as voters nullifies some of that however.
hard@work
09-01-2007, 12:24 PM
It's my opinion that you, and others, would reject out of hand, any government sponsored investigation that did not support the conclusion you have already reached.
Therefore, it's a waste of time. I don't believe the government is ever going to release an investigation that indicates the kind of widespread corruption and involvement necessary for 9/11 to have been an 'inside job'. The only information that will come out of an 'official' investigation will be information that obscures any guilty involvement of the US government.
Ok? THE GOVERNMENT WILL NEVER RELEASE AN INVESTIGATION THAT SATISFIES ALEX JONES. EVER. Get over it.
If you want to 'prove' this theory of yours, you'll have to do it without the help of 'officials'. This should be freaking obvious to anyone.
So investigate all you like. Find some insider who wants to spill the beans. Go for it. But quit crying for the government to 'come clean', because that will never happen.
See Sean, this is where you and the truthers completely fail. You have no idea what my personal beliefs are and you associate me with Alex Jones? Missing my point entirely in the process - deductive reasoning FTL man. I preach unity to you guys and you do everything in your power to scream division.
Get over it dude, these are good people here whether or not you disagree. And if you're as blind as electric church then we're in trouble. At least you have some cognitive resources available... but how long until you call me a government agent as well?!?
"Truthers" are: ONLY A LIABILITY TO US IF WE DO NOT EMBRACE THEM AND THANK THEM FOR THE VIGILANCE WHILE RESPECTFULLY DISAGREEING WITH THEM. WE ARE ONLY A LIABILITY FOR OURSELVES WHEN ANY OF US DO OTHERWISE ON EITHER SIDE OF DEBATE.
This is the realm of the real disinfo agent that they like to preach at. The one that quietly sits by scanning the forums plugging small commentary and discussion in the direction of division and subversion. The answer to the tin foil hat question should be a resounding and unifying:
So what? God Bless America.
The Good Doctor
09-01-2007, 12:25 PM
It has nothing to do with Alex Jones. It has to do with the families that lost loved ones. If you can't see that you can't be helped. Bury your head in the sand.
It's my opinion that you, and others, would reject out of hand, any government sponsored investigation that did not support the conclusion you have already reached.
Therefore, it's a waste of time. I don't believe the government is ever going to release an investigation that indicates the kind of widespread corruption and involvement necessary for 9/11 to have been an 'inside job'. The only information that will come out of an 'official' investigation will be information that obscures any guilty involvement of the US government.
Ok? THE GOVERNMENT WILL NEVER RELEASE AN INVESTIGATION THAT SATISFIES ALEX JONES. EVER. Get over it.
If you want to 'prove' this theory of yours, you'll have to do it without the help of 'officials'. This should be freaking obvious to anyone.
So investigate all you like. Find some insider who wants to spill the beans. Go for it. But quit crying for the government to 'come clean', because that will never happen.
The Good Doctor
09-01-2007, 12:27 PM
Queue the Ghandi quote please.
You ain't Galileo.
The Good Doctor
09-01-2007, 12:28 PM
Which is my point. But "it can't happen here" - Frank Zappa
There was a Gulf of Tonkin incident. Who started it and the exact details appear to be murky. Regardless of who started it, those that wanted us further in the war capitalized on it.
Mr. White
09-01-2007, 12:29 PM
I've refuted every 9/11 truth thing I've come across with my (admittedly) limited knowledge of physics, someone please point some worthwhile things to me?
The Good Doctor
09-01-2007, 12:29 PM
But they are hiding the truth.
Follow the money in the stock market. It is trackable.
Show the video from the Pentagon.
What do they have to lose? POWER!
I'm not silencing anybody. I'm pointing out the obvious fact that calls for a 'new investigation' are a waste of time. You want to investigate? Then investigate.
You are sitting there crying for 'authorities' to come along and validate YOUR worldview. You want to validate your worldview, then do it. Galileo didn't protest outside the vatican with a sign saying "I want a new investigation of planetary motion!" he went out on his own and proved his worldview with concrete evidence.
I've refuted every 9/11 truth thing I've come across with my (admittedly) limited knowledge of physics, someone please point some worthwhile things to me?
911truthvirus.com a whole subpage on physics
SeanEdwards
09-01-2007, 12:36 PM
See Sean, this is where you and the truthers completely fail. You have no idea what my personal beliefs are and you associate me with Alex Jones?
I apologize for making assumptions about you.
However, I stand by my assertion that 'calls for a new investigation' are a big waste of effort. There has been an 'official' investigation and it concluded exactly what could be expected of such an investigation.
The very idea of a 'new independent investigation' is a logical fallacy. It, by definition, could not be independent. Who would decide the people that would form this 'new independent investigation'? Such a formation can not possibly be anything but dependent. Well, I guess you could have a random drawing, sort of like forming a jury, and that might lead to a semi-independent panel, but such a panel would be unlikely to have the technical skills to conduct such an investigation.
EvoPro
09-01-2007, 12:38 PM
admin, please move thread to hot topix.
SeanEdwards
09-01-2007, 12:38 PM
It has nothing to do with Alex Jones. It has to do with the families that lost loved ones. If you can't see that you can't be helped. Bury your head in the sand.
Here's some more of that cult-follower mentality that turns people off.
"I'm so right, and if you don't believe me it's just because your head is in the sand."
No, I don't believe you because you haven't convinced me. The problem is yours, not mine.
Mr. White
09-01-2007, 12:40 PM
That site is obnoxious. I looked at the part on Osama where it said he refuted his involvment, and that he was 'probably' killed. Yet no, video or recording was provided, and I saw no link to a transcript.
Looks like a bunch of propaganda to me. Got something better, without music and a bunch of uncited things?
maggiebott
09-01-2007, 12:42 PM
I joined another Ron Paul forum since I read there that hot topics get buried. Its quite clear who the moles are after following this thread.
Question...what will you peeps be thinking the next time our government hits this country and kills more people? Will you be fooled again? Will you be crappin your pants? Or will you open your minds and see the enemy is standing over you!
The Good Doctor
09-01-2007, 12:44 PM
But you won't even look at the evidence. That is what we are talking about.
Here's some more of that cult-follower mentality that turns people off.
"I'm so right, and if you don't believe me it's just because your head is in the sand."
No, I don't believe you because you haven't convinced me. The problem is yours, not mine.
EvoPro
09-01-2007, 12:46 PM
What maggiebott?? Most of us think there should be another investigation, which is why we need to get Dr. Paul elected. I don't particularly think shouting 'inside job' will help him get elected.
SeanEdwards
09-01-2007, 12:47 PM
I joined another Ron Paul forum since I read there that hot topics get buried. Its quite clear who the moles are after following this thread.
Question...what will you peeps be thinking the next time our government hits this country and kills more people? Will you be fooled again? Will you be crappin your pants? Or will you open your minds and see the enemy is standing over you!
Damn truthers are obnoxious self-righteous pricks. I'd rather get a visit from Jehova's Witnesses than these pompous holier than thou know-it-all truthers.
At least the bible thumpers, when confronted with an unbeliever, don't immediately accuse the unbeliever of being on Satan's payroll.
That site is obnoxious. I looked at the part on Osama where it said he refuted his involvment, and that he was 'probably' killed. Yet no, video or recording was provided, and I saw no link to a transcript.
Looks like a bunch of propaganda to me. Got something better, without music and a bunch of uncited things?
Got any answers for building 7 Einstein?
SeanEdwards
09-01-2007, 12:49 PM
But you won't even look at the evidence. That is what we are talking about.
What evidence???
"Loose change"? I watched it. I wasn't convinced. I found it to be a steaming pile of unsubstantiated crap.
Show me some proof and I'll be on board. But don't you dare accuse me of being some paid mole, just because I didn't drink the kool-aid with you.
AFTFNJ
09-01-2007, 12:50 PM
I don't have any particular opinion on your theories, but I do think you are acting like a nut with your self-righteous certainty. You sound like a true-believer cult follower, when we both know that you don't have any special inside connection to the 'truth'.
Dude SCIENCE DOES NOT CHANGE FOR ANYBODY! but it did for the government on 9/11. Google Architects & engineers for 911 truth. I see you have reverted back to name calling rather then researching the topic.
AFTFNJ
09-01-2007, 12:55 PM
What evidence???
"Loose change"? I watched it. I wasn't convinced. I found it to be a steaming pile of unsubstantiated crap.
Show me some proof and I'll be on board. But don't you dare accuse me of being some paid mole, just because I didn't drink the kool-aid with you.
Proof that follows the Scientific method
http://www.ae911truth.org/ -Architects & Engineers for 9/11 truth
Proof of Controlled Demolition 9/11 - Architect speaks out
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6883441047197474365 Part 1
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4995319675737766037 Part 2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7686303663508827383 Part 3
The Good Doctor
09-01-2007, 12:55 PM
I said before:
Follow the money in the stock market and you will find out who knew.
Show the Pentagon videos. Hundreds of cameras there.
There is so much evidence it would make your head spin.
The rest is laid out in a lot of other places. I won't go into it. 9/11 Scholars For Truth is probably the best source. But Alex Jones lays out verifiable information. He posts links shows the documents in his videos.
Anyway, I suppose you didn't do well on your resource papers in school either.
What evidence???
"Loose change"? I watched it. I wasn't convinced. I found it to be a steaming pile of unsubstantiated crap.
Show me some proof and I'll be on board. But don't you dare accuse me of being some paid mole, just because I didn't drink the kool-aid with you.
The Good Doctor
09-01-2007, 12:56 PM
Dude, I never said you were a mole. Or even had one on your face for that matter. Sheesh!
What evidence???
"Loose change"? I watched it. I wasn't convinced. I found it to be a steaming pile of unsubstantiated crap.
Show me some proof and I'll be on board. But don't you dare accuse me of being some paid mole, just because I didn't drink the kool-aid with you.
RevolutionSD
09-01-2007, 12:57 PM
What evidence???
"Loose change"? I watched it. I wasn't convinced. I found it to be a steaming pile of unsubstantiated crap.
Show me some proof and I'll be on board. But don't you dare accuse me of being some paid mole, just because I didn't drink the kool-aid with you.
oooo! You watched Loose Change!
Do you want an award?
FYI, Loose Change is not the only documentary on 9/11.
I think most truthers would admit that Loose Change has it's flaws but also makes some solid points.
Check out 9/11 Press for Truth and tell me if you find anything not 100% truth in that movie. Read Griffin's Debunking 9/11 Debunking, and let's debate the facts!
What evidence???
"Loose change"? I watched it. I wasn't convinced. I found it to be a steaming pile of unsubstantiated crap.
Show me some proof and I'll be on board. But don't you dare accuse me of being some paid mole, just because I didn't drink the kool-aid with you.
Do I really have to prove gravity? I thought Issac Newton settled that centuries ago?
On 9/11, the upper 20 floors of the WTC FELL THROUGH the lower 80 at FREE FALL SPEED.
In other words, if u dropped a 20 story building from 1/4 mile up in the air...at the exact same moment that those 20 floors started falling through the lower 80...both pieces would arrive at the same time...
My physics is a bit hazy...but shouldnt the lower 80 floors of steel & concrete columns, steel trusses (bolded and welded to an outer steel frame) have offered slightly more resistance than empty air????
can u explain to me how pieces of steel frame weighing 2-3 tons blasted OUTWARDS at 100 + mph...lodging themsleves into skycrapers over 300 feet away???? Imagine a Minivan parked at home plate of a baseball field. Then visualize the van blasting outwards over the left field wakll for a home run!...Thats the type of force we saw on 9-11. What caused that??? "Pancaking"???,...LOL
You are a gravity denier! The titanic sank at 40 mph because water is denser than air. The top 20 floors of the WTC fell thru the rest at 120 mph. Why ZERO resistance from the lower 80????
Mr. White
09-01-2007, 01:00 PM
Got any answers for building 7 Einstein?
I watched the PBS bit on the leaseholder and looked at the bit where the reported reported it collapsed before it did.
The leaseholder said he pulled the building, ie. had it demolished, due to fire damage. What does that have to do with the government
As far as the video behind the reporter? News agencies superimpose video behind people all the time. Easiest explanation is they showed video shot prior to the building coming down. What does this ahve to do with the government?
What else do you have?
Ozwest
09-01-2007, 01:00 PM
When will you stop treating "Truthers as "Nutcases". Sounds "Kooky". Mmmmm........
admin, please move thread to hot topix.
Haha, yeah, some truth might rub off on people visiting here!:eek:
What you could do is not click on this thread anymore, then you don't have to get upset, and just go hand out some Ron Paul flyers or something. That always makes me feel better! :)
SeanEdwards
09-01-2007, 01:02 PM
I don't really want to have this argument again. It's tired.
If you look at my first post in this thread I acknowledged that all kinds of people are probably liabilities to Paul's campaign, most of all Paul himself. My own desire to see drug laws abolished is probably a liability too. So we're all liabilities.
Whatever I say won't stop people from screaming 'inside job' while waving a Ron Paul sign, so I have quit trying.
Have a nice truth movement. ;)
Mr. White
09-01-2007, 01:03 PM
Do I really have to prove gravity? I thought Issac Newton settled that centuries ago?
On 9/11, the upper 20 floors of the WTC FELL THROUGH the lower 80 at FREE FALL SPEED.
In other words, if u dropped a 20 story building from 1/4 mile up in the air...at the exact same moment that those 20 floors started falling through the lower 80...both pieces would arrive at the same time...
My physics is a bit hazy...but shouldnt the lower 80 floors of steel & concrete columns, steel trusses (bolded and welded to an outer steel frame) have offered slightly more resistance than empty air????
can u explain to me how pieces of steel frame weighing 2-3 tons blasted OUTWARDS at 100 mph...lodging themsleves into skycrapers over 300 feet away????
You are a gravity denier! The titanic sank at 40 mph because water is denser than air. The top 20 floors of the WTC fell thru the rest at 120 mph. Why ZERO resistance from the lower 80????
When an object of mass strikes a coloumn, the force of impact is not just imparted on the immediate area, but a wave of stress is exerted upwards and downwards. I find that explanation of how the reinforcements were damaged, leading to this type of collapse more plauisible than the 'they planted explosives all over the building' idea.
I'm not saying your wrong or I'm right, but I'm open to additional attempts to convince me.
maggiebott
09-01-2007, 01:05 PM
Sorry, I didn't mean that everyone who can't see that it was an inside job is a mole. Just saying that there are some on this thread. There are obviously different degrees of skepticism.
My feeling is once you see the whole picture, the sequence of events in perfect order, you can't go backwards. History just keeps repeating itself and if not for the internet I would be one lame duck.
AFTFNJ
09-01-2007, 01:10 PM
I watched the PBS bit on the leaseholder and looked at the bit where the reported reported it collapsed before it did.
The leaseholder said he pulled the building, ie. had it demolished, due to fire damage. What does that have to do with the government
As far as the video behind the reporter? News agencies superimpose video behind people all the time. Easiest explanation is they showed video shot prior to the building coming down. What does this ahve to do with the government?
What else do you have?
No sliverstein later said what he meant by PULL it was pulling the firefighters out. What happened to Building 7?
Mr. White
09-01-2007, 01:11 PM
No sliverstein later said what he meant by PULL it was pulling the firefighters out. What happened to Building 7?
Show me where he said it?
When an object of mass strikes a coloumn, the force of impact is not just imparted on the immediate area, but a wave of stress is exerted upwards and downwards. I find that explanation of how the reinforcements were damaged, leading to this type of collapse more plauisible than the 'they planted explosives all over the building' idea.
I'm not saying your wrong or I'm right, but I'm open to additional attempts to convince me.
since you are scientifically inclined...there is a physics link at that sight.....check out steven jones of BYU...Jeff King of MIT..and many others
www.911truthvirus.com
a cursury glance wont cut it...if u are truly open minded about it...it will come to u in small bites..
steven jones himself scoffed at 9/11 truth for years before converting
AFTFNJ
09-01-2007, 01:16 PM
Show me where he said it?
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2006/050106silversteinanswers.htm
maggiebott
09-01-2007, 01:17 PM
All you need to do it go on youtube. Silverstein says it on tape.
Mr. White, you seem very very dark.
WannaBfree
09-01-2007, 01:18 PM
Ron Paul campaign spokesman Jesse Benton was on Alex Jones yesterday. The show is streaming for the final time and Jesse Benton will be on very shortly if anyone is interested.
www.prisonplanet.com
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Duh! It's Saturday! It should be streaming all weekend :rolleyes:
The Jesse Benton interview is after the Luke interview (WeAreChange.org) and before the Jerome Corsi interview (author of The Late Great U.S.A.: The Coming Merger With Mexico and Canada) in the third hour.
What? Are you implying it is a better approach to mind everyone else's business?
I would say that is totally against everything for which Ron Paul stands.
I'm saying that you received sound advice from another poster, and you disregarded it in a fashion that's arrogant and not very wise. This is a Ron Paul campaign, not a 9/11 truther campaign. All i'm saying, just like quickmike is saying, is that truthers should be putting aside the conspiracy theory stuff for a minute and focus on more important priorities. They're going to scare away voters. Hell I'm an MMJ activist, I don't go around talking about herb when promoting Ron Paul to people who have never heard of him or are undecided. I let them discover that on their own when they view his stances on states rights and the "drug" war. Truthers, please use your brain while promoting this man, not putting aside your personal agendas during this campaign IMO is selfish.
Ozwest
09-01-2007, 01:51 PM
ape, First off, Truthers should keep Ron Paul seperate from 9/11 issues to get him elected. Agreed. Most Truthers understand this. But do not patronise fellow Ron Paul supporters who have an a opinion that differs from yours. I am a Truther and most (not all) are on top of their game. Usually people pass judgements on others because theyre uninformed. Then, they take a real rhiteous attitude. Wake up and realise that 30 percent of RON paul supporters are truthers.
Nefertiti
09-01-2007, 02:00 PM
This will sound really cheesy and I normally don't watch this kind of TV-but last year I caught an episode of Tyra Banks where she brought in different kinds of people who typically have antagonism between one another to confront eachother. At the end of the show she brought in some psychologists who did an exercise-where they asked people to stand up as they read off descriptions of groups that traditionally have experienced discrimination-by the end-everyone was standing because everyone could identify with one of those groups.
All of us are liabilities, because we are all unique. There is always someone who is different from us out there, who doesn't share our views, doesn't share our values, doesn't share our race, etc. Ron Paul is for accepting people, regardless of their liabilities, and them having the freedom to have those liabilities. If we start excluding those with liabilities, there will be none of us left to support Ron Paul.
Ozwest
09-01-2007, 02:04 PM
Sort of like Neo C ons vs. Constitutionalists. Jarssbeeeeerge, Perhaps?
Ozwest
09-01-2007, 02:07 PM
No disrespect intended. Perhaps Cheddar?
ape, First off, Truthers should keep Ron Paul seperate from 9/11 issues to get him elected. Agreed. Most Truthers understand this. But do not patronise fellow Ron Paul supporters who have an a opinion that differs from yours. I am a Truther and most (not all) are on top of their game. Usually people pass judgements on others because theyre uninformed. Then, they take a real rhiteous attitude. Wake up and realise that 30 percent of RON paul supporters are truthers.
Patronise? He told another RP supporter ( who happened to be a truther ) pretty much to piss off after he received sound advice. I don't get involved in pissing matches here on the RP forums, I only disagreed with the personal agendas getting mixed in with the campaign. IMO we have more important priorities to focus on, we all have our own personal beliefs and we need to be smart about how we go about promoting RP.
30% are truthers? that's BS.
Colleen
09-01-2007, 03:52 PM
A funny thought just came to me. I haven't seen the statistics on Rp's voting blocks, but wouldn't it be ironic should we come to learn that the 'truthers' just happened to be the largest one??
It might be so...would folks still wish to exclude them, if they were revealed to be his most avid supporters?
Just something to think about.
jmunjr
09-01-2007, 03:56 PM
Wake up and realise that 30 percent of RON paul supporters are truthers.
Says who???
timosman
06-05-2017, 10:10 PM
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