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rpfan2008
08-16-2008, 08:43 PM
Arctic ice refuses to melt as ordered

http://iceagenow.com/Arctic_ice_refuses_to_melt_as_ordered.htm
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/15/goddard_arctic_ice_mystery/


Just a few weeks ago, predictions of Arctic ice collapse were buzzing all over the internet. Some scientists were predicting (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/06/080620-north-pole.html) that the "North Pole may be ice-free for first time this summer". Others predicted (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-03/01/content_7696460.htm) that the entire "polar ice cap would disappear this summer".

The Arctic melt season is nearly done for this year. The sun is now very low above the horizon and will set for the winter at the North Pole in five weeks. And none of these dire predictions have come to pass. Yet there is, however, something odd going on with the ice data.

The National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) in Boulder, Colorado released an alarming graph (http://nsidc.org/images/arcticseaicenews/20080811_Figure2.png) on August 11, showing that Arctic ice was rapidly disappearing, back towards last year's record minimum. Their data shows Arctic sea ice extent only 10 per cent greater than this date in 2007, and the second lowest on record. Here's a smaller version of the graph:

http://regmedia.co.uk/2008/08/13/nsdic_ice_extent.jpg

The problem is that this graph does not appear to be correct. Other data sources show Arctic ice having made a nice recovery this summer. NASA Marshall Space Flight Center data shows 2008 ice nearly identical to 2002, 2005 and 2006. Maps of Arctic ice extent are readily available from several sources, including the University of Illinois, which keeps a daily archive for the last 30 years. A comparison of these maps (derived from NSIDC data) below shows that Arctic ice extent was 30 per cent greater on August 11, 2008 than it was on the August 12, 2007. (2008 is a leap year, so the dates are offset by one.)
http://regmedia.co.uk/2008/08/13/arctic_ice_comparison_8aug.jpg

The video below highlights the differences between those two dates. As you can see, ice has grown in nearly every direction since last summer - with a large increase in the area north of Siberia. Also note that the area around the Northwest Passage (west of Greenland) has seen a significant increase in ice. Some of the islands in the Canadian Archipelago are surrounded by more ice than they were during the summer of 1980.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKLiHWRaJU4

The 30 per cent increase was calculated by counting pixels which contain colors representing ice. This is a conservative calculation, because of the map projection used. As the ice expands away from the pole, each new pixel represents a larger area - so the net effect is that the calculated 30 per cent increase is actually on the low side.

So how did NSIDC calculate a 10 per cent increase over 2007? Their graph appears to disagree with the maps by a factor of three (10 per cent vs. 30 per cent) - hardly a trivial discrepancy.
What melts the Arctic?

The Arctic did not experience the meltdowns forecast by NSIDC and the Norwegian Polar Year Secretariat. It didn't even come close. Additionally, some current graphs and press releases from NSIDC seem less than conservative. There appears to be a consistent pattern of overstatement related to Arctic ice loss.

We know that Arctic summer ice extent is largely determined by variable oceanic and atmospheric currents such as the Arctic Oscillation. NASA claimed (http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2007-131) last summer that "not all the large changes seen in Arctic climate in recent years are a result of long-term trends associated with global warming". The media tendency to knee-jerkingly blame everything on "global warming" makes for an easy story - but it is not based on solid science.

Standing Like A Rock
08-17-2008, 12:23 AM
http://www.youtube.com/user/GlobalWarmingFraud

Agent Chameleon
08-17-2008, 12:29 AM
Bets on Global Freezing becoming the new bogeyman?

RSLudlum
08-17-2008, 12:58 AM
Bets on Global Freezing becoming the new bogeyman?

nah,,they'll just blame it on Russia

Agent Chameleon
08-17-2008, 01:09 AM
nah,,they'll just blame it on Russia

Well maybe... after all Russia has claimed the North Pole. :D

Conza88
08-17-2008, 01:18 AM
Bets on Global Freezing becoming the new bogeyman?

No... Because how are they then going to use climate change as a means of a move towards OWG.

Agent Chameleon
08-17-2008, 01:19 AM
No... Because how are they then going to use climate change as a means of a move towards OWG.

Easy, just say the climate's becoming colder thanks to human industry. From what I've heard, global cooling was a big scare in the 70's, showing that they can easily change their tune to serve their agenda.

Conza88
08-17-2008, 01:44 AM
Easy, just say the climate's becoming colder thanks to human industry. From what I've heard, global cooling was a big scare in the 70's, showing that they can easily change their tune to serve their agenda.

:rolleyes: Yes, they changed from global cooling to global warming. They're not going to go back to it.

Seriously think about it ok... Ohhh "global cooling now" we must heat up the planet!

- Out goes the need for all the environmentalism, the kyoto agreements, the merging of national borders or continent blocks like the EU to address the GLOBAL ISSUES... which obviously needs GLOBAL GOVERNANCE to address the issues.

That's the point of it all. Global cooling is not going to be able to accomplish their goal, which is probably why they changed their strategy.

Agent Chameleon
08-17-2008, 01:52 AM
:rolleyes: Yes, they changed from global cooling to global warming. They're not going to go back to it.

Seriously think about it ok... Ohhh "global cooling now" we must heat up the planet!

- Out goes the need for all the environmentalism, the kyoto agreements, the merging of national borders or continent blocks like the EU to address the GLOBAL ISSUES... which obviously needs GLOBAL GOVERNANCE to address the issues.

That's the point of it all. Global cooling is not going to be able to accomplish their goal, which is probably why they changed their strategy.

I don't know, they may find alternate enemies of the state to regulate. Like say that we can't have freezers or air conditioners or ice hockey... that all makes the world too cold! Do you serious doubt the ability of these statists to make such absurd claims and have half the world believe such bunk?

If enough in-your-face evidence about GW being a hoax surfaces, they'll simply pretend they never talked about GW, and present dire warnings of how your cold pool is causing the world to freeze.

Ice Cream is a global menace! Time for Kyoto 2.0!

Conza88
08-17-2008, 02:06 AM
Not, going, to happen. ;)

Agent Chameleon
08-17-2008, 02:08 AM
Not, going, to happen. ;)

I'm glad you are so confident in the intelligence of the statists and their followers. ;)

Conza88
08-17-2008, 04:33 AM
I'm glad you are so confident in the intelligence of the statists and their followers. ;)

:rolleyes: I'm not... see you fail to see the big picture and you blame the wrong people. Global Warming or Global Governance, go look that shit up on google - watch it and wake up.

Agent Chameleon
08-17-2008, 11:15 AM
:rolleyes: I'm not... see you fail to see the big picture and you blame the wrong people. Global Warming or Global Governance, go look that shit up on google - watch it and wake up.

Uh... what's with the call to wake up, I already know that global warming is a hoax. >.>

Don't shoot your teammates! ;p

Truth Warrior
08-17-2008, 11:23 AM
Yeah the Sun doesn't really give a shit, about our species' climate orders.

Zippyjuan
08-17-2008, 11:58 AM
The important thing is the long term trend- not one year's results or predictions. Energy conservation and new sources are important whether or not you accept global warming.

rpfan2008
08-17-2008, 12:24 PM
The important thing is the long term trend- not one year's results or predictions. Energy conservation and new sources are important whether or not you accept global warming.

Like these: link (http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/press/proved_no_climate_crisis.html)


Proved: There is No Climate Crisis Print E-mail
Written by Robert Ferguson
Tuesday, 15 July 2008

WASHINGTON (7-15-08) - Mathematical proof that there is no “climate crisis” appears today in a major, peer-reviewed paper in Physics and Society, a learned journal of the 4,600-strong American Physical Society, SPPI reports.
Christopher Monckton, who once advised Margaret Thatcher, demonstrates via 30 equations that computer models used by the UN’s climate panel (IPCC) were pre-programmed with overstated values for the three variables whose product is “climate sensitivity” (temperature increase in response to greenhouse-gas increase), resulting in a 500-2000% overstatement of CO2’s effect on temperature in the IPCC’s latest climate assessment report, published in 2007.

Climate Sensitivity Reconsidered [http://www.aps.org/units/fps/newsletters/200807/index.cfm] demonstrates that later this century a doubling of the concentration of CO2 compared with pre-industrial levels will increase global mean surface temperature not by the 6 °F predicted by the IPCC but, harmlessly, by little more than 1 °F. Lord Monckton concludes –

“… Perhaps real-world climate sensitivity is very much below the IPCC’s estimates. Perhaps, therefore, there is no ‘climate crisis’ at all. … The correct policy approach to a non-problem is to have the courage to do nothing.”
Larry Gould, Professor of Physics at the University of Hartford and Chair (2004) of the New England Section of the American Physical Society (APS), has been studying climate-change science for four years. He said:

“I was impressed by an hour-long academic lecture which criticized claims about ‘global warming’ and explained the implications of the physics of radiative transfer for climate change. I was pleased that the audience responded to the informative presentation with a prolonged, standing ovation. That is what happened when, at the invitation of the President of our University, Christopher Monckton lectured here in Hartford this spring. I am delighted that Physics and Society, an APS journal, has published his detailed paper refining and reporting his important and revealing results.‘

“To me the value of this paper lies in its dispassionate but ruthlessly clear exposition – or, rather, exposé – of the IPCC’s method of evaluating climate sensitivity. The detailed arguments in this paper, and, indeed, in a large number of other scientific papers, point up extensive errors, including numerous projection errors of climate models, as well as misleading statements by the IPCC. Consequently, there are no rational grounds for believing either the IPCC or any other claims of dangerous anthropogenic ‘global warming’.”

Lord Monckton’s paper reveals that –

* The IPCC’s 2007 climate summary overstated CO2’s impact on temperature by 500-2000%; 50x-20x

* CO2 enrichment will add little more than 1 °F (0.6 °C) to global mean surface temperature by 2100; *<----Is it long enough?*

* Not one of the three key variables whose product is climate sensitivity can be measured directly;

* The IPCC’s values for these key variables are taken from only four published papers, not 2,500;

* The IPCC’s values for each of the three variables, and hence for climate sensitivity, are overstated;

* “Global warming” halted ten years ago, and surface temperature has been falling for seven years;

* Not one of the computer models relied upon by the IPCC predicted so long and rapid a cooling; <---Which is happening right now, so how can they predict what's going to happen 10-20 years from now?

* The IPCC inserted a table into the scientists’ draft, overstating the effect of ice-melt by 1000%;

* It was proved 50 years ago that predicting climate more than two weeks ahead is impossible;


* Mars, Jupiter, Neptune’s largest moon, and Pluto warmed at the same time as Earth warmed;

* In the past 70 years the Sun was more active than at almost any other time in the past 11,400 years.