IOUSA on CNN

[libertarian4321]

CNN is talking about the premier of the movie IOUSA. I'm surprised they'd even mention it in the MSM.

[dirknb@hotmail.com]

CNN is talking about the premier of the movie IOUSA. I'm surprised they'd even mention it in the MSM.


Because it's an Establishment deflection.

[gilliganscorner]

because it's an establishment deflection.

qft +1776

[IPSecure]

They want to add the flat tax on top of all other taxes...

Why would they not push this?

[gilliganscorner]

From:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aSi411UWhgkg


July 11 (Bloomberg) -- Blackstone Group LP co-founder Peter G. Peterson celebrated the launch of his $1 billion foundation last night by showing off his latest acquisition: a documentary that examines the perils of the U.S.'s debt.

As he stood a few feet from a portrait of himself at the Council of Foreign Relations in Manhattan -- he's a former chairman -- Peterson, 82, addressed an elite crowd of 150 that included philanthropists David Rockefeller and Donald B. Marron; former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger; former New York Governor Mario Cuomo; Quadrangle Group LLC co-founder Steven Rattner and Robert Rubin, the former U.S. treasury secretary.

I like how the reporter used the phrase "elite crowd". Not. Let me tell you what another person versed in foreign relations said:



"We shall have World Government, whether or not you like it, by conquest or consent." (Feb. 17, 1950, to the United States Senate Committee on Foreign Relations) - James Paul Warburg, son of Paul Warburg, who some say was the architect of the Federal Reserve

The article continues...

Peterson told the crowd that the Peter G. Peterson Foundation has bought the rights to the feature-length documentary, ``I.O.U.S.A.,'' which will open in 10 cities on Aug. 22. The distributor is Roadside Attractions.

Directed by Patrick Creadon, the film features interviews with investor Warren Buffett and former Federal Reserve chairmen Alan Greenspan and Paul Volcker, who discuss the dangers of U.S.'s national debt, which is about $9.5 trillion, according to the Bureau of Public Debt, an arm of the U.S. Treasury.

Nice to see that they are interviewing the people that, for lack of better word, failed to keep the debt from growing.


``Over time, taxes would have to double to pay for the debt and that's unthinkable,'' Peterson said.

No. The United States is already bankrupt. The only way the debt can be paid off is through inflation. The only reason it hasn't collapsed is that the US dollar is still considered the world's reserve currency...but that is changing.


Peterson announced in February that he would create a foundation to address the U.S.'s economic, environmental and social problems.

`Why So Difficult?'

The nonprofit will help promote the film's release and offer free DVDs of ``I.O.U.S.A.'' to the public after its theatrical run, said foundation spokeswoman Elizabeth Wilner. It will also spend $5.3 million in grants to help young people learn about public and personal finance.

Yes, I am sure that you will teach them all about Austrian economics and how Keynes was a fraud. I am sure that you will illustrate government as a destroyer of productivity.


``We're not going to be just another think tank,'' Peterson said to the group. ``Our mission is to create awareness and to bring Americans together to achieve real results. Why is that so difficult?''

Because you won't offer a solution to provide real results. You won't talk about the perils of fiat currency, how the Federal Reserve (or any other central bank) creates inflation and a hidden tax that punishes savers and producers for those who don't, reduce the size of government and spending, and advocate individual liberty and freedom. What you will do is advocate more regulation, more taxing, and whatever red herrings you put out there. Ultimately your solution will lead to more and more globalization and you will utilize all of your handmaidens at your disposal to ensure that you hypnotize the sheep to do so.


The film's trailer was shown on big-screen monitors in the wood-paneled room as the audience drank cocktails and ate chicken on skewers.

``This is going to be an economic version of `An Inconvenient Truth,''' said the foundation's chief executive officer David Walker, the former U.S. comptroller general who has a speaking part in the new film.

Oh shit. That should be the alarm bells, whistles, and klaxons going off right there. An inconvenient truth? Get ready to bend over for all the central planning that is going to come down that pipe...


``Pete knows business, he knows the economy -- I think it's a terrific idea,'' Kissinger said in an interview after viewing the film clip. ``If we continue on this road, it would be awful.''

These people will hijack the correct solution.

Kissinger. :eek: Let's see how he thinks:


"Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy." - Woodward and Bernstein, The Final Days, chapter 14

"Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac"- The New York Times (28 October 1973)

"The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer." - New York Times, Oct. 28, 1973

"The New World Order cannot happen without U.S. participation, as we are the most significant single component. Yes, there will be a New World Order, and it will force the United States to change its perceptions. Just like Zishan says." - World Affairs Council Press Conference, Regent Beverly Wilshire Hotel , April 19th 1994

"I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist because of the irresponsibility of its own people. The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves." - The problem with Bush's pursuit of democracy. - By Michael Kinsley - Slate Magazine

Kissinger has endorsed Senator John McCain in his bid for the presidency in 2008. Any surprise?

[FrankRep]

CNN is talking about the premier of the movie IOUSA. I'm surprised they'd even mention it in the MSM.

Do we really know what idea the movie will be promoting? Hopefully not another tax to help pay off the debt.

[gilliganscorner]

Do we really know what idea the movie will be promoting? Hopefully not another tax to help pay off the debt.

More socialism cloaked in various remedies. Oh, maybe not in the movie itself, but the Peterson foundation will ensure that it does its best to ensure deflection from the true solution (i.e. abolish the IRS, eliminate income tax, introduce sound money as a competing currency, the perils of fiat, limited government, stop policing the world, stop initiating immoral wars...etc etc)...

[IPSecure]

Does anyone know just how much the bankers have made over the years?

Why do we not demand our money and gold back, with interest!

[DamianTV]

Does anyone know just how much the bankers have made over the years?

Why do we not demand our money and gold back, with interest!

Um, id say ALL of it. And if we can take it back, we will simply take every thing they own. THE WORLD.

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My thoughts on National Sales Tax: DO NOT ASK FOR IT OR THEY WILL GIVE IT TO YOU. Um, why you ask? Because they will give you exactly what you ask for but they will NOT get rid of the INCOME TAX. That should be plain as day. Ask a politician to RAISE your taxes, they are happy to oblige your request. Ask them to LOWER your taxes, oh no we cant do that we already spent the money that we havent even collected from you yet!

I want to go see the movie tho, or at least get it on DVD...

[acptulsa]

I want to go see the movie tho, or at least get it on DVD...

I won't go see it. I might own a copy eventually--provided I can pirate it. Sure ain't going to pay these thieves for a copy.

[SLSteven]

``We're not going to be just another think tank,'' Peterson said to the group. ``Our mission is to create awareness and to bring Americans together to achieve real results. Why is that so difficult?''

"bring Americans together" -- sounds scary...how about leave us alone!

[SLSteven]

``We're not going to be just another think tank,'' Peterson said to the group. ``Our mission is to create awareness and to bring Americans together to achieve real results. Why is that so difficult?''

"bring Americans together" sounds scary. How about -- leave us alone.

[libertarian4321]

Do we really know what idea the movie will be promoting? Hopefully not another tax to help pay off the debt.

I hope they are advocating a reduction in spending.

[max]

IOUSA is a TRAP!

This movie is being pushed by elites associated with the NY Council on Foreign Relations.

The goal is to hype and take control of the debt crisis concerns and steer it towards their selfish ends..the elites always use crisis to gain more power.


.Believe me, the MSM would not make any mention of this film if its goal were pure.

I havent seen it yet...but I'd be willing to bet that no mention of the obvious connection between our global empire expenses and the debt will be made....and the Federal Reserve will certainly not be touched!!!

[jerry]

This reminds me of a bully I knew. Whenver he made a mistake, he would spin it by punishing someone else as if they made it instead of him. When the victim protested, the bully would view that as a provocation/attack on him and then feel justifed to attach back.

Here the "unarrestable crimminals," the Rothchilds/Rockefellers/Murdochs, neoconns ..
deflect blame away from themselves, perhaps implying blame on the average person who then feels guilty and with that impose more taxes.

[lucius]

Because it's an Establishment deflection.

+1

[sickmint79]

i find it quite annoying to see people who have not seen a single minute of the movie say it proposes a flat tax, and new world order, and this and that. honestly it is fucking ridiculous. i don't trust MSM because it is full of spin and bullshit - but i can say the same thing about half the posters in this thread. you are just as full of disinformation.

[gilliganscorner]

i find it quite annoying to see people who have not seen a single minute of the movie say it proposes a flat tax, and new world order, and this and that. honestly it is fucking ridiculous. i don't trust MSM because it is full of spin and bullshit - but i can say the same thing about half the posters in this thread. you are just as full of disinformation.

I see your point, but we have been fucked over so long, it doesn't hurt once and a while to say, "Hey, look. The establishment is letting a movie be released proclaiming to identify a problem, then help you with a solution."

All we are saying is simply, "Beware of the solution and what it might look like when proposed." I don't know what they are going to propose, but I'll bet your ass it isn't the abolition of the Fed, a return to sound money, eliminate the IRS et. al.

To summarize: "See the movie, but keep your wits about you."

[sickmint79]

the guy that started agora financial (very critical of government and fed) and a director that produced wordplay (a documentary about crossword puzzles) are "the establishment"??

both i and others have pointed out that the movie is bringing the problem to light - we don't even think it is advising a solution. not only that, but what makes you think you or anybody else really has the right idea about everything? shouldn't people be able to listen to all solutions and decide what they think is good or not? i see ridiculous posts in here about people downloading the movie just to put it on disc and burn it, or other moronic things. they accuse and dislike it for so much but are completely ignorant about what is in it.

yes it should be approached with skepticism - as should everything. but these people here are not approaching it with skepticism. they are launching attacks on it without ever watching 1 minute of it. we make fun of sheeple but to me it feels like some of the people here are just sheeple of a different color.

[Omphfullas Zamboni]

we make fun of sheeple but to me it feels like some of the people here are just sheeple of a different color.

"Black Sheeple"?:D

[Eric21ND]

we should've bought the rights to this movie.

[sickmint79]

i think the cost of agora to make it was at least 2 million.

[Brian Defferding]

Has anyone here actually seen the documentary?

[Ninja Homer]

The movie doesn't address solutions, its only intention is to make people aware of how big of a problem the national debt is... what it means to the country, and what it means to the people. The average person doesn't have a clue as to how big the national debt is or what it means.

The Peterson Foundation acquired IOUSA in July '08, they had nothing to do with making the movie. They may try to use the movie to steer people into a crappy solution, but we have the power to steer people into a sound solution if we take a little action.

[sickmint79]

Has anyone here actually seen the documentary?

it is possible but has had few showings. the older version was shown at sundance last year, as well as a couple subsequent film festivals. some parts were re-shot when what they thought would happen started happing - banking crisis stuff i believe. the current version was shown i believe once in vancouver at agora's major annaul investment symposium.

other than that i think they may have shown it in DC; i think they want to show it at dem and rep conventions. some theater in michigan somewhere i think is playing it continously now, i assume the theater owner likes the message a lot or something. otherwise it will be fully open to the public this thursday. agora has been talking about it for months and i always hoped it would get out in time to help ron, it's only getting out in time to possibly spurn some debate among the 2 clowns we have remaining though.

[fr33domfightr]

They may try to use the movie to steer people into a crappy solution, but we have the power to steer people into a sound solution if we take a little action.

I agree with Ninja on this. Informing the public is a good thing, the devil is in the details of the fix. We can help by influencing people to support a good course of action.

Btw, my local meetup groups have scheduled a meetup to see this movie on Thursday, have you?


FF

[Brian Defferding]

I feel we should use this documentary as a stepping stone to talk about the Federal Reserve and our abandonment of the gold standard. We should not be persecuting it but rather embracing that it's bringing this issue to the mainstream and giving us an opportunity to tell the voters what's causing the USA to be owing so much.

[fr33domfightr]

Think about this, you could use the showing of the movie to OUR benefit. Why not be outside handing out flyers to the CFL??? Give people a place to go where they can talk about our country's finances.


FF

[sickmint79]

I feel we should use this documentary as a stepping stone to talk about the Federal Reserve and our abandonment of the gold standard. We should not be persecuting it but rather embracing that it's bringing this issue to the mainstream and giving us an opportunity to tell the voters what's causing the USA to be owing so much.

Yes 100%

[Matt Collins]

This movie is being pushed by elites associated with the NY Council on Foreign Relations.Proof?

[sickmint79]

http://money.cnn.com/video/#/video/news/2008/08/13/cnn.news.iousa.081308.cnnmoney

[gilliganscorner]

Proof?


http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aSi411UWhgkg


July 11 (Bloomberg) -- Blackstone Group LP co-founder Peter G. Peterson celebrated the launch of his $1 billion foundation last night by showing off his latest acquisition: a documentary that examines the perils of the U.S.'s debt.

As he stood a few feet from a portrait of himself at the Council of Foreign Relations in Manhattan -- he's a former chairman -- Peterson, 82, addressed an elite crowd of 150 that included philanthropists David Rockefeller and Donald B. Marron; former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger; former New York Governor Mario Cuomo; Quadrangle Group LLC co-founder Steven Rattner and Robert Rubin, the former U.S. treasury secretary.

Peterson told the crowd that the Peter G. Peterson Foundation has bought the rights to the feature-length documentary, ``I.O.U.S.A.,'' which will open in 10 cities on Aug. 22. The distributor is Roadside Attractions.

Your question of proof in response to another poster saying "This movie is being pushed by elites associated with the NY Council on Foreign Relations.". I don't know how to interpret "pushed", but the former head of the CFR bought the rights to the movie and is promoting it.

At the end of the day:

1) This movie is probably worth seeing. It is a very good idea to raise public awareness.
2) I am cautiously optimistic that the movie will be accurate with respect to content. I have no reason to suspect otherwise.
3) I have not seen the movie, so I do not care to speculate if there are one or more "solutions" to the problem tabled within the movie.
4) We have all been through these paths before to be wary of spin. That is to say, I will be looking for anything that resembles establishment deflection post-analysis of this movie, as delivered by MSM.

It may be a worthwhile project for RP supporters to hand out a flyer to movie-goers, quietly and respectfully, to try and help with "further information" - and no I don't mean size 100 font multi-colored letters on yellow fluorescent paper shrieking about Bilderberg/Illuminati/UFO's/Radioactive Marmasets et. al.