Who was the last great president we had?

[acroso]

In people's opinions...

[nate895]

Depends on your definition of "great." "Great" as in good for the country, or "great" in that they had a large impact on history?

[MRoCkEd]

jorj bush! he rulez

[RickyJ]

Ronald Reagan without a doubt. Not one president the last one hundred years has come close to him.

[DAFTEK]

I liked Ronald Reagan! he was the only reason i registered Republican, I am ready to cancel my Republican Membership by the end of this month.......

[acroso]

Reagan supported the Federal Government too much for me. I don't like him.

Maybe Thomas Jefferson?

But there had to be someone after him that was good...certainly no one in a long time though.

[dannno]

My big problem with Reagan was the War on (some) Drugs.

I think he had some good ideas about the economy and such back in '76 and before his election in '82 when Ron Paul was supporting him.. but the WOsDs thing was just bad..

[yongrel]

Coolidge was the last president for whom I would have voted.

[werdd]

andrew kill the fed jackson.

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

Gaius Baltar

[Matt Collins]

Jefferson

[James Madison]

Calvin Coolidge. Then probably Grover Cleveland.

[No1ButPaul08]

Calvin Coolidge. Then probably Grover Cleveland.

Both of whom, according to Rothbard, were allied with Morgan interests.


Thus, Grover Cleveland spent his working life allied
with the Morgans, and his cabinet and policies were heavily
Morgan-oriented


President Calvin Coolidge, who succeeded Rockefeller
ally President Harding when he died in office, was a close
personal friend of J. P. Morgan, Jr., and a political protege of
Coolidge's Amherst College classmate, Morgan partner
Dwight Morrow, as well as of fellow Morgan partner
Thomas Cochran. And throughout the Republican administrations
of the 1920s, the Secretary of the Treasury was multimillionaire
Pittsburgh tycoon Andrew W. Mellon, whose
Mellon interests were long-time allies of the Morgans.

I would go with Jefferson.

[Captain America]

The LAST great president would be JFK. Warned about secret socities, the dismanteling of the Federal Reserve System through Executive Order No. 11110.

Executive Order No. 11110 is still on the books.

[Uriel999]

Taft maybe, I dunno may have to go all the way back to AJ. I do not like Reagan. His rhetoric was ours, but his actions where not. He should have stopped the drug war then. Oh and his vp bush! gah!

[JosephTheLibertarian]

I liked Ronald Reagan! he was the only reason i registered Republican, I am ready to cancel my Republican Membership by the end of this month.......

ugh. Reagan sucked. WoD, anyone? Or will I be ganged up on for hating on Reagan now? Attacking me appears to be the trend on here nowadays.

[nate895]

Oh and his vp bush! gah!

Even if he would have done everything else for the good, that alone makes him have bad judgment.

[dirknb@hotmail.com]

Jefferson.

[The Good Doctor]

Trickle down economics? That is the same thing California gets by the time the Colorado River gets there.


I liked Ronald Reagan! he was the only reason i registered Republican, I am ready to cancel my Republican Membership by the end of this month.......

[Kotin]

The LAST great president would be JFK. Warned about secret socities, the dismanteling of the Federal Reserve System through Executive Order No. 11110.

Executive Order No. 11110 is still on the books.

exactly right...

cmon people!!

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Trickle down economics? That is the same thing California gets by the time the Colorado River gets there.

I'm not a fan of trickle down economics. Cut taxes ONLY for the rich? We should cut taxes for ALL. It's not bad, but this thing often is used as an excuse to support elitism. Cut taxes for the rich, increase inflationary levels, now is this fair? That's what Bush did. Poor and middle class pay more, while the rich keep more of their own money, with higher purchasing power. This is why I favor a flat tax.

[slothman]

I'd say Eisonhaurer(sp).
All the ones after were either so-so, like Carter, or
actually bad, like Bush2.
There were of course many before but none after.
JFK may have an chrisma but he also wanted you to "be
for the gov't," rather than the gov't from you.

[acroso]

The reason supply side economics works is because tax rates go up additively. dead weight loss goes up geometrically.


That means when tax rates are low, they the dead weight loss isn't spiraling out of control. But with ultra high rates...say 50% then dead weight loss makes a HUGE difference.


Reagan grasped this concept, and most current micro books even talk about how Reagan's tax cuts for the rich INCREASED government revenue due to increased incentives.

Although I STRONGLY agree with supply side economics, I also agree with Joseph that the income tax is unconstitutional and no one at all should be taxed. This country has become socialist and has adopted a sop the rich strategy. Most of our Federal income tax comes from the rich so that's where most of the tax cutting needs to be done although we need to cut all remaining taxes to zero.

[Kludge]

List of Presidents from start to end, giving likelihood of voting them in with hindsight (green=definitely, yellow-green=probably, yellow=maybe, orange=probably not, red=definitely not):

Note: The way I ended up coding the list gives (IMO, of course) a fairly accurate "Freedom to Fascism" timeline.

1. George Washington
2. John Adams
3. Thomas Jefferson
4. James Madison
5. James Monroe
6. John Quincy Adams
7. Andrew Jackson
8. Martin Van Buren
9. William Henry Harrison
10. John Tyler
11. James K. Polk
12. Zachary Taylor
13. Millard Fillmore (Stephen Douglas)
14. Franklin Pierce
15. James Buchanan
16. Abraham Lincoln
17. Andrew Johnson
18. Ulysses S. Grant
19. Rutherford B. Hayes
20. James Garfield
21. Chester A. Arthur
22. Grover Cleveland
23. Benjamin Harrison
24. Grover Cleveland
25. William McKinley
26. Theodore Rooselvelt
27. William Taft
28. Woodrow Wilson
29. Warren G. Harding
30. Calvin Coolidge
31. Herbert Hoover
32. Franklin D. Roosevelt
33. Harry S. Truman
34. Dwight D. Eisenhower
35. John F. Kennedy
36. Lyndon B. Johnson
37. Richard Nixon
38. Gerald Ford
39. Jimmy Carter
40. Ronald Reagan
41. Dubya Senior
42. Bill Clinton
43. Dubya Junior

Excellent waste of an hour and a half re-familiarizing myself :rolleyes:


As for the last great president, I have trouble giving it to Ford, and give the supreme honor of an irrelevant libertarian's "latest great president" title to Silent Cal.

[Truth Warrior]

The one that everyone wanted.

[WarDog]

"Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank...You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the grace of the Eternal God, will rout you out."-
Andrew Jackson

[Carehn]

"Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank...You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the grace of the Eternal God, will rout you out."-

Sweat nectar of the Gods!

[LibertiORDeth]

The LAST great president would be JFK. Warned about secret socities, the dismanteling of the Federal Reserve System through Executive Order No. 11110.

Executive Order No. 11110 is still on the books.

Word.

[LibertiORDeth]

Never even heard of Martin Van Buren :p

[Agent Chameleon]

Eisenhower didn't sound so bad considering the biggest criticism of him was that he was a "do-nothing" president. Works for me. ^_^

Runner-ups for last great president would be either Coolidge or Harding.

Oh if Barry Goldwater won in 1964 then hands down he would be the greatest. ;)

AUH20!

[Standing Like A Rock]

thomas jefferson

the only president who was not a president, but an average citizen

[Jeremy]

The problem with Barry Goldwater was that he was not a noninterventionist. Robert Taft is like the gold standard of noninterventionism though.

[Agent Chameleon]

The problem with Barry Goldwater was that he was not a noninterventionist. Robert Taft is like the gold standard of noninterventionism though.

Barry Goldwater wasn't perfect but he was as close as you could get back then. I've read his book Conscience of a Conservative and his foreign policy views were very mild in comparison to today's saber-rattling rhetoric on the Weekly Standard or NRO.

I'm also more accepting of Goldwater's Cold Warrior stance because I wasn't alive during most of the Cold War and I can't find myself to criticize Cold Warriors. I think there were legitimate concerns about Soviet aggression.

[strapko]

Word.

This has been debunked by G Edward Griffin lol. And if he debunks an conspiracy, its a theory.

[Ninja Homer]

Samuel Huntington (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Huntington_(statesman))

The office he held isn't the same as the current concept of President, but I post a link to info about him just because history previous to the ratification of the Constitution is almost lost to all US citizens. Besides, what could be better than a US president whose job is so unimportant to the general public that most people don't even recognize their name?

[Conza88]

List of Presidents from start to end, giving likelihood of voting them in with hindsight (green=definitely, yellow-green=probably, yellow=maybe, orange=probably not, red=definitely not):

Note: The way I ended up coding the list gives (IMO, of course) a fairly accurate "Freedom to Fascism" timeline.

1. George Washington
2. John Adams
3. Thomas Jefferson
4. James Madison
5. James Monroe
6. John Quincy Adams
7. Andrew Jackson
8. Martin Van Buren
9. William Henry Harrison
10. John Tyler
11. James K. Polk
12. Zachary Taylor
13. Millard Fillmore (Stephen Douglas)
14. Franklin Pierce
15. James Buchanan
16. Abraham Lincoln
17. Andrew Johnson
18. Ulysses S. Grant
19. Rutherford B. Hayes
20. James Garfield
21. Chester A. Arthur
22. Grover Cleveland
23. Benjamin Harrison
24. Grover Cleveland
25. William McKinley
26. Theodore Rooselvelt
27. William Taft
28. Woodrow Wilson
29. Warren G. Harding
30. Calvin Coolidge
31. Herbert Hoover
32. Franklin D. Roosevelt
33. Harry S. Truman
34. Dwight D. Eisenhower
35. John F. Kennedy
36. Lyndon B. Johnson
37. Richard Nixon
38. Gerald Ford
39. Jimmy Carter
40. Ronald Reagan
41. Dubya Senior
42. Bill Clinton
43. Dubya Junior

Excellent waste of an hour and a half re-familiarizing myself :rolleyes:


As for the last great president, I have trouble giving it to Ford, and give the supreme honor of an irrelevant libertarian's "latest great president" title to Silent Cal.

Throw in some timeline / eras for us? :D

[werdd]

"Gentlemen, I have had men watching you for a long time and I am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank...You are a den of vipers and thieves. I intend to rout you out, and by the grace of the Eternal God, will rout you out."-

great quote, jackson FTW

He was always my favorite president

the trail of tears kind of sucks but aside from that

Probably the best

[mc_RP2008]

Calvin Coolidge

[slothman]

Calvin Coolidge

Is it coincidencial that, like he, you said few words?

[NMCB3]

William Henry Harrison
He died soon after taking office so he didn`t have time to screw anything up.

[jclay2]

Like someone else said, Andrew Kill the Fed Payoff the Nationl Debt Jackson. I will let his controntation with the cherokees go just for those two.

[SeanEdwards]

Old Hickory was pretty cool. Too bad about his violently nasty racism spoiling an otherwise solid legacy. Product of his times, I guess.

[heath.whiteaker]

Kennedy.