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Matt Collins
08-14-2008, 03:15 PM
TIME Magazine: America May Be Ready for Libertarianism


"Maybe you haven't heard, but this is the year of freedom."

So says no less than TIME magazine, in an excellent article on the libertarian movement in their July 21 issue.

The remarkably positive article is yet more proof that libertarian ideas are catching on and spreading fast.

The article describes how libertarians have grabbed the public's attention this year:

"First there was the Ron Paul revolution, in which an avuncular 10-term Representative from Brazoria County, Texas, raised more than $34 million as a pseudo-Republican candidate, garnered more than a million primary votes and outperformed Rudy Giuliani and Fred Thompson, all on the back of a get-government-off-my-back platform.

"Now there's the Libertarian Party, which sold a little bit of its hard-line liberty-loving soul in exchange for the most respectable candidate it has ever had: recently converted former Republican Congressman Bob Barr, who's polling nationally near 6% and could conceivably Naderize John McCain in a few key states and help nudge the presidency to Barack Obama."

Barr's remarkable conversion from GOP conservative drug warrior to civil liberties champion and pro-freedom libertarian is highlighted. TIME also notes that LP candidates are increasingly influential: "Since 2000, Libertarian candidates have peeled off enough votes from Republican congressional candidates to cost the party races in Washington, Nevada, Montana and, most recently, Louisiana."

Further, notes TIME:

"The central goal of Libertarianism is hard to disagree with: freedom. Defining it is another matter. Party members I've met often speak of freedom as if it were a phantom limb: you're born with it, but it gets taken from you by the bureaucratic violence of the EPA, the ATF, the DOE, the DEA, the U.N., NCLB, NAFTA and -- above all -- the IRS. Freedom's restoration is the magic moment when the nanny state melts away and you can see the life you were supposed to live before the tax auditors and environmental regulators and drug warriors all came to rope, brand and pen you in for life with their endless rulemaking and intrusions."

Not bad!

Of course, there are things to disagree with. TIME caricatures some libertarian positions in ways that will have any libertarian groaning.

Like this: "This sense that progress has gone too far and too fast unites a large swath of Libertarians from coast to coast." Huh? Since when did libertarians become anti-progress?

But never mind such errors. The article is remarkably positive. And it's the second this year that TIME has printed a major article favorable to libertarians. As we reported several months back, the October 18, 2007 issue of TIME featured an opinion piece by Michael Kinsley, one of America's most respected and astute political commentators -- entitled "Libertarians Rising."


The current article ends this way, and though it refers to the Libertarian Party, it's also talking about libertarian ideas in general:

"[V]oters alienated by our calcified party system may find in the Libertarians a party that's .... armed to the teeth but with a gentle logic and a contagious enthusiasm for freedom in all its forms. Libertarians are getting ready for the mainstream, and mainstream America may finally be ready for them."

Good news for our side! (Source: TIME
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1821675,00.html (https://webmail.cumulus.com/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1821675,00.html) )

Andrew-Austin
08-14-2008, 03:34 PM
Libertarians are getting ready for the mainstream

Well I hope Time means this in the right sense, and does not mean the birth of neo-libertarians, following a slipperly slope of gently pandering to statist views until the party eventually becomes just another beast.


Of course, there are things to disagree with. TIME caricatures some libertarian positions in ways that will have any libertarian groaning.

Like this: "This sense that progress has gone too far and too fast unites a large swath of Libertarians from coast to coast." Huh? Since when did libertarians become anti-progress?

Yes their wording always seems so awkward, it can't be that difficult to understand the libertarian perspective and language today.

ItsTime
08-14-2008, 04:16 PM
Say it with me. BOB BARR IS NOT Taking VOTES AWAY FROM MCCAIN. McCain IS LOSING VOTES TO BOB BARR. There is a difference.

Bruno
08-14-2008, 04:19 PM
Say it with me. BOB BARR IS NOT Taking VOTES AWAY FROM MCCAIN. McCain IS LOSING VOTES TO BOB BARR. There is a difference.

Agreed. But put another way, McCain has not yet received his party's nomination, Barr has. Therefore, McCain should drop out so as not to be a spoiler for Barr. ;)

ItsTime
08-14-2008, 04:20 PM
Agreed. But put another way, McCain has not yet received his party's nomination, Barr has. Therefore, McCain should drop out so as not to be a spoiler for Barr. ;)

hahaha!

Brian Defferding
08-14-2008, 04:21 PM
The thing of it is, most Bob Barr voters probably find Barack more tolerable than McCain. If anything, I see Barr siphon votes away from Obama more.

dannno
08-14-2008, 04:29 PM
say it with me. Bob barr is not taking votes away from mccain. Mccain is losing votes to bob barr. There is a difference.

ok :)

Matt Collins
08-14-2008, 04:43 PM
say it with me. Bob barr is not taking votes away from mccain. Mccain is losing votes to bob barr. There is a difference.


damn good point!

surf
08-14-2008, 04:59 PM
i was part of a "full slate" of candidates for Washington State in 2000, and whether or not we crippled the R party is open for debate. i would have had a helluva time deciding between Slade Gorton (one of the authors of the "More bureaucracy report" - aka the 9/11 commission report) and Maria Cantwell. i was so glad to not vote for either.

That said, i also like this comment

Originally Posted by itstime
say it with me. Bob barr is not taking votes away from mccain. Mccain is losing votes to bob barr. There is a difference.

acptulsa
08-14-2008, 05:05 PM
Another duplicate. The search function is our friend, people.

Yeah, now that Time says we're ready, I guess it's safe to start voting for them... :rolleyes:

dirknb@hotmail.com
08-14-2008, 06:17 PM
Bob Barr style? What a joke.

muzzled dogg
08-14-2008, 06:18 PM
is this the issue on newstands now?

jerry
08-14-2008, 06:33 PM
Bob Barr naderizes election = fall guy/scapegoat to unite Ds and Rs
People in Canada still think Nader is the reason for Bush winning.

Matt Collins
05-20-2009, 03:18 PM
Interesting to reflect back on this article.

Jordan
05-20-2009, 03:21 PM
Interesting to reflect back on this article.

Especially after their most recent publication which marginalizes Teabaggers and Ron Paul "revolutionaries" as they say.

purplechoe
05-20-2009, 04:37 PM
Interesting to reflect back on this article.

Wasn't it time that ran on it's cover "We are all socialists now"?

awake
05-20-2009, 05:15 PM
This is getting disturbing, given the term changing powers of Washington, Instead of Ron Paul Libertarianism, It will mean Rush Limbaugh Libertarianism.

abers076
05-20-2009, 05:24 PM
Wasn't it time that ran on it's cover "We are all socialists now"?

That was newsweek.

klamath
05-20-2009, 05:38 PM
It obviously wasn't the year for libertarians. They did as bad as they normally do. It was the year of the socialist democrats.

Stary Hickory
05-20-2009, 07:35 PM
Time magazine would like to see a third party candidate to split the GOP vote. It's how Clinton won two elections. I really think it's vital we overtake the GOP from within and WIN the next elections, not split the vote and guarantee a socialist hell.

John of Des Moines
05-20-2009, 07:36 PM
What? We got Sherman and Mr. Peabody on the board?

Anti Federalist
05-20-2009, 08:49 PM
What? We got Sherman and Mr. Peabody on the board?

Lulz...set the way back machine to October 2008 Sherman.

Matt Collins
11-04-2009, 01:36 PM
This needs to make the rounds again ;-)

acptulsa
11-04-2009, 03:46 PM
Yeah. And we need to remember that this is just them trying to paint us as radical and unproven. We need to find a way to make people see that Washington is taking the radical and unproven (or proven to fail) road, and we're the ones trying to restore America to what made it the world's success story.

Which wasn't socialism, just so you know...

John of Des Moines
11-05-2009, 05:19 AM
Okay here you go:





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