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DAFTEK
08-13-2008, 02:30 PM
American citizen telling the truth about Georgian invade in South Osetia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCwTo9AdT2c&feature=related

Take that CNN!

DAFTEK
08-13-2008, 02:40 PM
An american blamed Saakashvili for genocide
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-59295

Journalists of Russian Pervy Kanal (Channel One) television news discovered an extraordinary refugee in Vladikavkaz (North Ossetia).

Joe Mestas is an Аmerican citizen married to Ossetin woman. Не himself was caught up in the fighting in Tshinval. He witnessed georgian troops killing residents and he blamed Georgian leader for genocide and violence.
«It's propaganda that has been shown in the American and Western mass media...It's a barefaced lie. I myself was caught up in the fighting that was unleased by Saakashvili.. I spoke to residents.. It is not Russia, it is Georgia that unleashed war. Frankly, it doesn't look like a war, it is genocide, it's a war crime...»
here's link to this newspaper with the american citizen interview
http://kp.ru/daily/24143.5/361869/

Agent Chameleon
08-13-2008, 02:43 PM
I can understand Georgian involvement in South Ossetia.

After all, it's within their borders, and I don't see myself having the moral high ground to criticize Georgia's actions, when in this country we may lose the Southwest, and I certainly would never stand for that.

That being said, I also think whatever Russia does is its own damn business.

DAFTEK
08-13-2008, 02:51 PM
But if the people of the South west want to brake from the US and join Mexico do we go in and kill the people of the south west?

The people of South Ossetia's story is being buried by CNN FOX and all American media companies! I predict it's just a matter of time before people like Jesse Ventura and a like will come out and speak on behalf of the people of South Ossetia! I also feel sorry for the people of Georgia for falling into Saakasvili trap and will pay the ultimate price! Russia has the right to defend the people of South Ossetia.

Who are we to call Russia the invader of a Sovereign Nation when we invaded Iraq and no one dared to get in the way? I'm ashamed of our government and the more they protect Israel and their interest the more we will have more enemies world wide....

Agent Chameleon
08-13-2008, 02:56 PM
But if the people of the South west want to brake from the US and join Mexico do we go in and kill the people of the south west?

The people of South Ossetia's story is being buried by CNN FOX and all American media companies! I predict it's just a matter of time before people like Jesse Ventura and a like will come out and speak on behalf of the people of South Ossetia! I also feel sorry for the people of Georgia for falling into Saakasvili trap and will pay the ultimate price! Russia has the right to defend the people of South Ossetia.

Who are we to call Russia the invader of a Sovereign Nation when we invaded Iraq and no one dared to get in the way? I'm ashamed of our government and the more they protect Israel and their interest the more we will have more enemies world wide....

If foreigners took over the Southwest then yes, I would advocate going in there and driving the invaders out.

I understand South Ossetia is a different case, however, it's a part of Georgia's borders and from my understanding, Ossetians have been a part of Georgia's history.

I'm not lashing against Russia, I don't where you think I said that. I just respect Georgia's determination to keep Russia out of its affairs. That doesn't mean I support US intervention.

CurtisLow
08-13-2008, 03:07 PM
Unreal..

Vet_from_cali
08-13-2008, 05:49 PM
more Americans should really hear what that man has to say...

revolutionary8
08-13-2008, 08:29 PM
The opinion piece in the online version of the Los Angeles Times (2008.08.12) is a clear and classic example of the type of material western readers are being bombarded with in what appears to be an orchestrated campaign of disinformation to shape public opinion against Russia. As was the case in Iraq, the Western public is being duped by what amounts to a perverse act of manipulation... and is guzzling the bait hook, line and sinker.

The piece “Stand up to Russia” was shown to me by a Russian friend, who asked me to reply in PRAVDA.Ru, which was quoted in this two-page schmuckfest of unadulterated bilge. It could almost have been printed by the British Bullshit Corporation or written by that other insolent female who got a Pulitzer. Max Boot, “Senior fellow in National Security Studies at the Council of Foreign Relations)” is the name of the author in this case.

We now see clearly why the National Seecutiry Agency was so adept in defending the people of America on 9/11, as adept in fact as Washington’s (chuckle) military advisors were in Georgia.

When I read through this article last night, I thought, “Where does one begin?” I mean, it is one nonsensical piece of drivel from beginning to end, a tissue of lies and insults directed at Russia without one iota of truth from the first letter to the final period.

For a start, the piece opens with a childish chortle, comparing the Russian Army to the “Red Army”, a clear attempt to paint the modern Russian Federation with the Soviet brush, then, wait for it, yeah here it is, line 2 of paragraph 2, the “collapse” of the Soviet Union. It’s like those animal documentaries where you have three failed hunting scenes then finally the kill, where the lionesses get the gazelle and cart it off to daddy. And it is so predictable as to be boring.

True, like the Red Army, the Russian Army has the capacity to carpet nuke all countries, be they NATO or anything else, which commit acts of aggression against Russia but unlike the USA, Russia does not deploy atomic weapons or Depleted Uranium against civilians. And for Max Boot’s information, and that of his readers, once and for all, the Soviet Union did not “collapse” (there was no confrontation after all, not even a stand-off; relations with the West were at their highest point at the time, with perestroika and glaznost in full swing). The voluntary dissolution of the Soviet Union was forecast and accounted for in its Constitution. When the members wished to leave, they did and most of them formed alternative and looser trading organizations such as the CIS, among others.

The one lacking in legitimacy here is Georgia, which was bound under its act of secession from the Union to hold referendums in Abkhazia and South Ossetia, for the peoples of these regions to vote as to the degree of autonomy they wished to have. Georgia refused.

We then have an infantile reference to Chechnya. In the last free and fair referendum, 95 per cent of the people of Chechnya voted to remain within the Russian Federation. Stick that up your readers, Max Boot, and tell them to sit on it.

We then get down to the most absurd claims one could expect to find. Is it the LA hard Times, or what? Paragraph after paragraph of lies, fabrications and insults more befitting of a latrine wall, written by some demented retard with his own excrement, than in the pages of what I thought (until last night) was a reputable publication. I mean, what an eye opener.

Max Boot calls Russia’s crossing into Georgia a violation of international law. So what does he have to say about the USA’s act of criminal agression and mass murder in Iraq? What does he have to say about the deployment of WMD in civilian areas? What does he have to say about the massacre of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians? What does he have to say about the concentration camp at Guantanamo, which brings back flashes of Belsen, Treblinka and Dachau, or the innumerous concentration and extermination camps in the Baltic States?

Nothing. The Georgian massacre of two thousand Russian civilians in one night, war crimes in which grenades were thrown into basements where women and children were huddling, tanks opening fire on old ladies, children being burned alive, are relegated to the word “details”. Details, eh? Yeah right, today a child, tomorrow a terrorist, so blast the crap out of him and get it done with. Is that what you teach as Senior fellow, Mr. Boot? Is that really how the people of the United States of America feel?

Then in that case I apologise. After reading this article (there is more, comparisons with Hitler – and if the author knew that 26 million Soviet citizens gave their lives to stop that Nazi criminal lunatic, he would not be so insulting; comparisons of Putin with Mussolini, then references to the appeasement that led to WW2) I apologise to all those people I have told to be lenient towards Americans, that there are decent and balanced people over there with valid opinions.

If this is the sort of vapid claptrap that its more famous publications publish, then imagine what you can find in the tabloids and infer from this that given this level of systemic and systematic mis- and disinformation, it is virtually impossible for any US citizen to have a balanced idea of world events. The citizens of the USA are being misinformed, lied to and made clowns of by their own media.

http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/106083-2/

More at link.

"Max Boot" is only propagandizing Brzy's plan.

ChooseLiberty
08-13-2008, 08:35 PM
Genocide supported by the USA and Israel?

Why that could never happen could it?

DAFTEK
08-13-2008, 09:03 PM
Genocide supported by the USA and Israel?

Why that could never happen could it?


Nope, just like the mass amount of WMD's they found in Iraq and killed thousands of innocent Iraqis in the proses, or wait they call them Collateral Damage... :rolleyes: