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robert4rp08
08-10-2008, 09:24 AM
Intravenous injection of Vitamin C may help fight off cancer: http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5i3swJaxc7dqXc9wo0mqyth1czXsA


Tests on mice showed that chemical reactions involving the vitamin led to the generation of tumour-toxic hydrogen peroxide in the liquid-filled spaces between cancer cells.

The chemical damaged the membranes, metabolism, and DNA of the cells, but did not appear to harm healthy tissue. Normal cells are often not as sensitive to such "cytotoxic" agents as cancer cells - if they were, cancer chemotherapy could not work.

Cancer survival in the mice was cut by around 50%. The animals had three forms of aggressive, hard to treat cancer, leading the scientist to speculate that the therapy might benefit patients with a poor prognosis.

Although the new research shows promise, further trials involving human patients are needed before any thought can be given to using injected vitamin C to fight cancer.
(Other news results here (http://news.google.com/news?q=vitamin+c+cancer&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&hl=en&sa=X&oi=news_result&resnum=4&ct=title))

I have the journal article if anyone is interested in reading it. Just drop me a PM.

Conza88
08-10-2008, 09:53 AM
I love oranges and juice. :D

I've heard a fair bit about people beating cancers by changing their lifestyle completely... only eating really healthy foods.. getting super fit etc.

yongrel
08-10-2008, 09:55 AM
I'm very, very skeptical of this. It's Linus Pauling all over again...

The One
08-10-2008, 09:58 AM
w00t for vitamin C. I'm told it cures the common cold as well. I think it's true because I took vitamin C when I had a cold, and it helped me get better in just 7 days. It's a cure for everything!!! It's the Robitussin of vitamins!!!!!!!

yongrel
08-10-2008, 09:59 AM
It's the Robitussin of vitamins!!!!!!!

Minus the Robo-tripping 13 year olds.

robert4rp08
08-10-2008, 10:41 AM
I'm very, very skeptical of this. It's Linus Pauling all over again...

It's good to be skeptical. Summarized from Wikipedia: Pauling studied intravenously injected and orally administered vitamin C as cancer therapy, and found that cancer patients lived longer (his other finding was that Vitamin C prevented colds). Two follow-up studies by different institutions were unable to replicate the findings because they did not administer the vitamin C intravenously.

Here are some recent articles about the effects of intravenous injection of vitamin C:
http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/abstract/174/7/937
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/117494.php
http://www.pnas.org/content/104/21/8749.abstract
http://www.pnas.org/content/101/52/17964.abstract
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2008/08/01/0804226105.abstract?sid=2360f1ac-7b5b-4558-89c4-8491b0299124
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/09/070910132848.htm
http://annals.highwire.org/cgi/content/summary/140/7/533
http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/164/3/353

Pauling was no "quack." He was a world renowned chemist having won 2 Noble Peace Prizes and is considered one of the most influential chemists of the 20th century.

You should be more skeptical about why his work was initially marginalized and why it has taken 40 years to properly replicate his study.

yongrel
08-10-2008, 10:45 AM
Pauling was no "quack." He was a world renowned chemist having won 2 Noble Peace Prizes and is considered one of the most influential chemists of the 20th century.

You should be more skeptical about why his work was initially marginalized and why it has taken 40 years to properly replicate his study.

He also went mad with grief after the death of his wife, and created all sorts of bizarre theories about how he could have saved her.

His Nobel Prizes in chemistry do not make him automatically an expert in a related field. That's an appeal to authority, and is a fallacy that is made far too often. It's like when people quote Einstein when debating God, expecting that to somehow prove something.

robert4rp08
08-10-2008, 11:11 AM
He also went mad with grief after the death of his wife, and created all sorts of bizarre theories about how he could have saved her.

His Nobel Prizes in chemistry do not make him automatically an expert in a related field. That's an appeal to authority, and is a fallacy that is made far too often. It's like when people quote Einstein when debating God, expecting that to somehow prove something.

Obviously my post was not intended to provide an argument based solely on his credentials. I will not pretend to know everything about Pauling's personal and scientific life. What I am sharing is that some current research studies are supporting his findings.

amy31416
08-10-2008, 11:11 AM
He also went mad with grief after the death of his wife, and created all sorts of bizarre theories about how he could have saved her.

His Nobel Prizes in chemistry do not make him automatically an expert in a related field. That's an appeal to authority, and is a fallacy that is made far too often. It's like when people quote Einstein when debating God, expecting that to somehow prove something.

+1.

His work in chemistry and physics is absolutely stunning. A man of his reputation in science would have had a very easy time getting scientists and doctors on board for his other pet hypotheses about vitamin C, but it remains controversial because the evidence for Pauling's claims just isn't there.

It's a strange thing to be a scientist and have somebody dying that you love and can't help, no matter how much research you do. It's the ultimate in powerlessness and a huge strike to your ego, especially someone of his stature. Don't forget the fine line between genius and madness, and he was no longer working in science outside of his emotions, he had an agenda.

RJB
08-10-2008, 11:52 AM
I only trust research that's funded by billion dollar drug companies flushed on corporate welfare.

robert4rp08
08-10-2008, 12:01 PM
+1.

His work in chemistry and physics is absolutely stunning. A man of his reputation in science would have had a very easy time getting scientists and doctors on board for his other pet hypotheses about vitamin C, but it remains controversial because the evidence for Pauling's claims just isn't there.

It's a strange thing to be a scientist and have somebody dying that you love and can't help, no matter how much research you do. It's the ultimate in powerlessness and a huge strike to your ego, especially someone of his stature. Don't forget the fine line between genius and madness, and he was no longer working in science outside of his emotions, he had an agenda.

Ready, set, go........


Here are some recent articles about the effects of intravenous injection of vitamin C:
http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/abstract/174/7/937
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/117494.php
http://www.pnas.org/content/104/21/8749.abstract
http://www.pnas.org/content/101/52/17964.abstract
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/20...4-8491b0299124
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0910132848.htm
http://annals.highwire.org/cgi/conte...mary/140/7/533
http://www.cmaj.ca/cgi/content/full/164/3/353

Conza88
08-11-2008, 02:47 AM
I only trust research that's funded by billion dollar drug companies flushed on corporate welfare.

I only trust economic numbers provided by the government and I only trust the advice given by those who are in danger of losing their funding if they are critical of the Fed's policies.;)