Free My mind

[Godfather89]

Government dependence... Independence... Government dependence... Independence! Help me understand:

"How would people be able to take care of themselves (doctor visits, vaccines, etc.) if health insurance works in ka-hootz with big government? What about Welfare? What about people with diseases and disorders like cancer?"

For those who saw my thread titled "How" in the Education section, the question is based upon the same thing

[steve005]

think about it

[Godfather89]

If i knew i wouldnt be asking.

Healthcare organizations? Privatize Healthcare?

[brandon]

I'm not sure what your question is. Can you rephrase it?

[Godfather89]

How does one get the proper healthcare they need if the government isnt handing out medicare and medicaid? How does one treat a long term illness (e.g. Cancer) and cant afford to take care of themselves?

[mediahasyou]

Charity, donations, mutual aid...People are essentially good. Karma works. People care.

Think would you let a injured person get hit by a car in the street? Or would you be the good samaritin to help them and save them.


Churchs and Private organizations would recieve more money because of lower taxes. So they would help more people. The actual money being donated would be 10 times more effective because there would be no medicare/healthcare fraud. People would not go to the emergency room for breaking a nail. And that bs would not go on,.

[NaT805]

How does one get the proper healthcare they need if the government isnt handing out medicare and medicaid? How does one treat a long term illness (e.g. Cancer) and cant afford to take care of themselves?

They would pay for the healthcare they needed, and they would be able to afford it. (Charity, or the free market would make it affordable)

[steve005]

it would be way more affordable too

[Nicketas]

mental health is handled privately already...

[Truth Warrior]

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i304/Truth_Warrior/freeyourmind.jpg

http://www.voluntaryist.com/

[Godfather89]

I had a feeling it would be the charity organization and churches that would be the ones. It is just this society today, most people I see are very selfish and rarely help out anyone were I live. Thats why I am concerned, but I guess its because of the high taxes anyway in all levels of government... As you can imagine living on Long Island is expensive.

[Feenix566]

Americans actually contribute more to private charities than any other nation. We're a very generous people.

When you talk about government doing anything, what you're really talking about is pointing guns at everyone and forcing them to comply with what you want. That's what government does. They get their money through taxes, and if you don't pay your taxes, they throw you in jail. If you try to stop them from throwing you in jail, you might get shot.

So the question really becomes, should we give people the opportunity to freely donate to charity, or should we force them to do so at gunpoint? And should people have a choice about where their charity goes, or should we force them to donate to the government-run charity?

Even in the case of private charities and churches, there is still fraud and corruption. But at least in that scenario there's something you can do about it. If there are accusations of fraud, you can stop donating to that charity, and start donating to someone else. But when there are accusations of fraud in the government, what are you gonna do? Vote for the opposition party? That solution is not nearly as effective, because there's no guarantee that the opposition party will win the election, and even if they do, there's no guarantee that they'll do anything about the fraud. In the world of private charity, there are endless options to choose from, and you can vote with your wallet. Change is instant. Corruption is corrected by the market.

Private charity is better than government charity, both morally and practically. If you really care about people who have cancer and can't afford medicine, donate to the United Way. They'll do a whole lot more than the government ever could.

[Truth Warrior]

I had a feeling it would be the charity organization and churches that would be the ones. It is just this society today, most people I see are very selfish and rarely help out anyone were I live. Thats why I am concerned, but I guess its because of the high taxes anyway in all levels of government... As you can imagine living on Long Island is expensive.

They've merely delegated ( shirked ) the authority, responsibility, power, non-accountability for actions, to governments. :rolleyes:

They vote and pay their taxes. They're through.

Who's on "American Idol", how about those < insert favorite sports teams here>, what's Britney up to, etc., etc., etc. ..... ad nauseum et infinitum? :p

[IRO-bot]

Also, ask yourself do people have a "right" to free healthcare?

I say no.

You have a right to your life and your property.

No "human" can take those away from you.

Something like this.

http://www.isil.org/resources/introduction.swf

No right to "be free of cancer", no right to be "guaranteed to have food, and shelter". That's all on you.

[Andrew-Austin]

You don't have the right to health care. No one is obligated to take care of you.

[NaT805]

You only have a right to health care if you're the property owner of the health care. If you don't own the property, you have no right.

Rights come from Property.

[Godfather89]

this is true...

Now here comes another question related somewhat to healthcare:

I know Ron Paul said he wanted to get rid of FEMA because of its inefficiency, which after Katrina we have seen, but who will help those in need after a catastrophe? The surrounding neighbors that were unaffected?

[Kade]

Charity, donations, mutual aid...People are essentially good. Karma works. People care.

Think would you let a injured person get hit by a car in the street? Or would you be the good samaritin to help them and save them.



http://nuncscio.com/2008/06/09/man-gets-hit-byt-car-nobody-helps-in-other-news-humanity-is-just-terrible/

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,363493,00.html

[constituent]

They've merely delegated ( shirked ) the authority, responsibility, power, non-accountability for actions, to governments. :rolleyes:

They vote and pay their taxes. They're through.



spot on.


how do you fight cancer?

w/ a proper diet over the course of your life.

[constituent]

http://nuncscio.com/2008/06/09/man-gets-hit-byt-car-nobody-helps-in-other-news-humanity-is-just-terrible/

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,363493,00.html

urbanity.

[Kade]

urbanity.

So? Are you advocating that we all live in the boons now?

[constituent]

So? Are you advocating that we all live in the boons now?

naaah, i'm recommending that folks who live in urban environments make a deliberate effort to look other people in the eyes, say hello sometimes... maybe hold a door open for a stranger, shake someone's hand, small stuff.

though i prefer the boons for myself.

[Kludge]

You useless apologists (@ first page responses)!

Healthcare isn't a right - it's a privilege. You have only the right to private property (you own yourself [because you control the choices you make and feel the effects of your choices such as laboring], your labor and that which you earn with your labor + gifts from others). It is government's (ONLY) duty to protect private property.


While having the right of owning private property, you thus have the right to life - but you do NOT have the right to extend your life because it is a privilege.

[Andrew-Austin]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,363493,00.html

What, is that supposed to be some kind of argument in and of itself? Gross that no one tried to comfort him, but he looked pretty near death already. People dialed 911 soon enough, and a cop car was there in a minute. What do you suspect bypassers could have done to aid him, without risking further injury or liability. Harford is a cesspool anyways.

[Kade]

What, is that supposed to be some kind of argument in and of itself? Gross that no one tried to comfort him, but he looked pretty near death already. People dialed 911 soon enough, and a cop car was there in a minute. What do you suspect bypassers could have done to aid him, without risking further injury or liability. Harford is a cesspool anyways.



:rolleyes: \/


Charity, donations, mutual aid...People are essentially good. Karma works. People care.

Think would you let a injured person get hit by a car in the street? Or would you be the good samaritin to help them and save them.

[mediahasyou]

http://www.billingsgazette.net/content/articles/2006/03/14/news/local/45-good-samaritan_xol_1.jpg

[Andrew-Austin]

^Look at all those concerned human beings aiding their fellow man. :p

Of course I'm sure that incident did not spread its way round the interweb, websites can't sensationalize it and surfers would rather always see the dark side.

[HonestyInMedicine]

Government dependence... Independence... Government dependence... Independence! Help me understand:

"How would people be able to take care of themselves (doctor visits, vaccines, etc.) if health insurance works in ka-hootz with big government? What about Welfare? What about people with diseases and disorders like cancer?"

For those who saw my thread titled "How" in the Education section, the question is based upon the same thing

First of all most vaccincations are NOT NECESSARY. Baby boomers were given all about 2-3 vaccinations and we all survived. Today they want to give kids 55! it is all a big money making scheme.

For example, today they vaccinate for mumps and chicken pox which is silly. Those are not life threatening. They also vaccinate for the flu and IRONICALLY in years when they run out of the flu vaccine, there are fewer cases of the flu. The vaccine only works on one or two strains out of dozens. So if a different flu is what everyone gets than the vaccine does no good. After someone gets the vaccinaton they have a reaction or a mini version of the flu. They could have more severe side effects as well and many do. So why risk it?

If the truth be told there are extremely effective natural anti-viral, anti-biotic, anti- you name it that can even cure herpes, HIV and aids let alone the flu. I had Lymes Disease and went to my naturopath and was given an herbal remedy to kill the parasite that the dear tick bite deposits in your blood stream when he bites and got rid of Lymes Disease in a few DAYS! Colloidal Silver you can get at any health food store is like a medicine chest in a bottle. I wouldn't live without it.

Really. While we are on the subject of truth, the only conventional doctors we really need are Acute Care doctors to staff trauma cetners in emergency rooms and orthopaedic doctors to mend our bones correctly when they break and surgeons. That is it! Naturopaths and other doctors of natural medicine could take care of the rest. They have a much better understanding of both prevention and treatment for all the chronic and degenerative diseases that Americans go to the so-called "specialists" for.