How to deal with the blame we will get from the GOP?

[CountryboyRonPaul]

Guys, with new polls showing the race closing in, there is a problem I think we should be prepared for...

If it is an Obama victory, we all know what to expect from the GOP. They will lay the blame solely on our shoulders.

Perhaps that's what they want, either try to guilt us into voting McCain, or try to neutralize the movement by blaming us for sabotaging McCain's campaign.

Either way, I think we should be prepared to deal with these inevitable attacks if or when Obama wins.

Ron Paul Followers Pose Danger For McCain In West
http://wcbstv.com/campaign08/ron.paul.mccain.2.784897.html

[PlzPeopleWakeUp]

nt

[newyearsrevolution08]

WHO CARES if they BLAME US.

I find it LAUGHABLE that anyone would even CARE what the gop or some bullshit party thinks on these things. Another thing as well, Ron Paul NEVER polled within "striking distance" in any national poll anyways SO what would our 7% really do to STOP obama from winning over the gop?

The current GOP is NOT what it should be anyways and I hope WE rebuild it soon.



Guys, with new polls showing the race closing in, there is a problem I think we should be prepared for...

If it is an Obama victory, we all know what to expect from the GOP. They will lay the blame solely on our shoulders.

Perhaps that's what they want, either try to guilt us into voting McCain, or try to neutralize the movement by blaming us for sabotaging McCain's campaign.

Either way, I think we should be prepared to deal with these inevitable attacks if or when Obama wins.

Ron Paul Followers Pose Danger For McCain In West
http://wcbstv.com/campaign08/ron.paul.mccain.2.784897.html

[newyearsrevolution08]

Also remember that people should be voting for a CANDIDATE and not a political party anyways

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Guys, with new polls showing the race closing in, there is a problem I think we should be prepared for...

If it is an Obama victory, we all know what to expect from the GOP. They will lay the blame solely on our shoulders.

Perhaps that's what they want, either try to guilt us into voting McCain, or try to neutralize the movement by blaming us for sabotaging McCain's campaign.

Either way, I think we should be prepared to deal with these inevitable attacks if or when Obama wins.

Ron Paul Followers Pose Danger For McCain In West
http://wcbstv.com/campaign08/ron.paul.mccain.2.784897.html

Deal with it? Easy. Say, "no, it's your own fault, asshole!" lolol

[ChickenHawk]

If the GOP had stuck to even a few of its principles nobody would even know who Ron Paul is. They only have themselves to blame. Having said that, McCain will most likely win which is probably worse for the GOP. It will take a monumentally horrid campaign by McCain to lose to Obama. He is running an awful campaign right now and is virtually tied in the polls when he should be down 15 points by default.

[FunkBuddha]

Not to mention the majority of the GOP treated Ron Paul supporters like shit. I can't believe they would even expect us to vote for McCain.

[CountryboyRonPaul]

This tactic isn't meant to influence us, it's meant to influence those outside of the circle.


Now, we should all be thinking of a tactic to turn it around on them. Not laughing at the people who are trying to plan ahead.


I swear, sometimes I think you all have no foresight.



Our goal should not be to say "FUCK THE GOP OMGZORS" But to try and lure others to our cause.

They are trying to neutralize our efforts.

[newyearsrevolution08]

The odds of me voting for mccain are dead even with the odds of me voting for obama.

I will vote for a no name just so my vote counts against the 2 presumptive candidates that they are trying to shove down our throats.




Not to mention the majority of the GOP treated Ron Paul supporters like shit. I can't believe they would even expect us to vote for McCain.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

Compare GDP data to when Bush took office.
Compare unemployment rate to when he took office.
In fact, compare ANY metric you want, other than quoting some guy's opinion of the economy.

That's why the GOP is doing badly.

[CountryboyRonPaul]

Unless you want to let them turn Bob Barr into the next Ross Perot, I think it would be best to actually have a little foresight on the matter.

You all act as if the GOP holds no political influence over anyone... And that it is only our votes that are important.

[ShowMeLiberty]

If the GOP had stuck to even a few of its principles nobody would even know who Ron Paul is. They only have themselves to blame.

This.



Having said that, McCain will most likely win which is probably worse for the GOP. It will take a monumentally horrid campaign by McCain to lose to Obama. He is running an awful campaign right now and is virtually tied in the polls when he should be down 15 points by default.

Not this.


My gut feeling is that Obama will win and if that happens, the GOP brung it on themselves for pushing a candidate who is unacceptable to much of their base.

[PlzPeopleWakeUp]

nt

[Isaac Bickerstaff]

If McCain can't beat a police state socialist like Obama on his own, what good is he?
or
Looks like you guys backed the wrong Republican.
or
I told ya so!

[CountryboyRonPaul]

I NEVER said we were to blame.

I said we should be prepared for the inevitable political attacks if McCain loses.


Seriously, unless you want to let them blame this whole thing on our movement with no retaliation on our part then continue to ignore what I'm saying.

History repeats itself, and I don't want Libertarianism to go the way of the Perot and the Reform Party.

They will try to neutralize us at every turn, all I'm saying is let's build a strategy to prevent an attack like this taking hold with those that are sitting on the fence.


They will use this to persuade other GOP'ers from standing up for their principals.

They will use this to persuade other GOP'ers to follow blindly party lines.

Do you really want that to happen?

[klamath]

Many republicans backed McCain because the polls showed he was the strongest against the democrats not because they liked him. You can never tell in the primaries who is going to be the strongest in the Fall. The Democrats made this mistake with Kerry.

[rancher89]

McCain's win in SC came out of left field, none of us saw it coming. He wasn't even placing well in the polls. We all thought that Huckabee was going to win...so much for polls.

As for the rest, let the truth tell the story.

[Truth Warrior]

"Nyeah, nyeah, nyeah, nyeah, nyeah ..... Told ya so, told ya so! :p :p :p :p :p".

[IPSecure]

Both parties are controlled by the same people... This 'war' between the Republicrats is just a game to keep our attention focused away from what is really going on...

[CountryboyRonPaul]

Seriously, did this just turn into a chat forum after the campaign ended?

All I'm asking for is the realization that the GOP will use this in the future to dissuade people from sticking to their principals.

You can ignore it, but I guarantee they will do anything they can to hurt any party that threatens to take away their voters.



You all act as though there is no point in even acknowledging it. All I said was be prepared, maybe we can even use such an attack to garner support for our cause.

[Truth Warrior]

Seriously, did this just turn into a chat forum after the campaign ended?

All I'm asking for is the realization that the GOP will use this in the future to dissuade people from sticking to their principals.

You can ignore it, but I guarantee they will do anything they can to hurt any party that threatens to take away their voters.



You all act as though there is no point in even acknowledging it. All I said was be prepared, maybe we can even use such an attack to garner support for our cause. THEIR voters? :p Ask to see the bill of sale. :rolleyes:

[CountryboyRonPaul]

THEIR voters? :p Ask to see the bill of sale. :rolleyes:

So you would say that the people who are against amnesty, clean air acts, free trade agreements, higher taxes etc. but still vote for McCain are not THEIR voters at the moment?

[torchbearer]

Seriously, did this just turn into a chat forum after the campaign ended?

All I'm asking for is the realization that the GOP will use this in the future to dissuade people from sticking to their principals.

You can ignore it, but I guarantee they will do anything they can to hurt any party that threatens to take away their voters.



You all act as though there is no point in even acknowledging it. All I said was be prepared, maybe we can even use such an attack to garner support for our cause.

Nothing you can do about the blame game. It is what they are good at, not taking responsibility for their own actions and blaming others.

Worry about the things you can control, as in, what you are doing locally.
Are you going to the rally?

[CountryboyRonPaul]

Nothing you can do about the blame game. It is what they are good at, not taking responsibility for their own actions and blaming others.

Worry about the things you can control, as in, what you are doing locally.
Are you going to the rally?

No, I've got bills and debts to pay.

But you can bet I'm spreading the message at every turn, Torch ;)

[Truth Warrior]

So you would say that the people who are against amnesty, clean air acts, free trade agreements, higher taxes etc. but still vote for McCain are not THEIR voters at the moment?
Nope, just loony lemmings.<IMHO> ;)

[torchbearer]

No, I've got bills and debts to pay.

But you can bet I'm spreading the message at every turn, Torch ;)

do you know if anyone is going to pick up the 1210 meet-up? i see it is about to expire.
also, you may be able to get to the rally for $175 round trip on the ronvoy.

My bills are huge right now with summer utilities and fuel cost. But the ronvoy has made the rally a little bit more attainable than it was prior.
I'm trying to help all our activist get to MN.
http://ronvoytotherally.eventbrite.com/

[CountryboyRonPaul]

Nope, just loony lemmings.<IMHO> ;)

IMHO they might as well belong(in the proprietary sense) to the Republican party.

I've beaten a few Neo-Cons with the truth stick, it can be done ;)

[CountryboyRonPaul]

do you know if anyone is going to pick up the 1210 meet-up? i see it is about to expire.
also, you may be able to get to the rally for $175 round trip on the ronvoy.

My bills are huge right now with summer utilities and fuel cost. But the ronvoy has made the rally a little bit more attainable than it was prior.
I'm trying to help all our activist get to MN.
http://ronvoytotherally.eventbrite.com/

torch, there isn't much activity in the Covington meetup anymore, i would say probably not, but I don't know for sure.




I would love to go to the rally. I'll try and find some way to make it, but I can't promise anything. Thanks for the link

Edit: Think I told ya a while back, I'm on DWI probation now, and I've gotta meet all their BS criteria within the next three months. or it's prison time for me

[Truth Warrior]

IMHO they might as well belong to the Republican party.

I've beaten a few Neo-Cons with the truth stick, it can be done ;)

I've beaten a bunch of voters with the truth stick, it can be done. ;)

[ChickenHawk]

I do not beleive those polls at all.

Look around. Look at bumper stickers. Look at the internet. Look at the news. Look at the huge crowd of zombies Obama draws, and look at the small crowds Mccain draws.

It looks like 10 Obama to 1 Mccain. Those polls are used as a tool, they are a lie.

How can Mccain have that much support when, he is a BushCo member, an establishment career politician, and for all the wars and starting more?

The people's approval of the president, congress, and wars are at an all time low, in the single digits. How can he get 50%? It's complete bullshit. It's a lie.

Yeah, it's hard to understand unless you have been around politics for a long time. Obama generates a lot of excitement because he is an unconventional candidate and he represents the fringe of a major political party. The problem is that people who get excited about politics represent less than 2% of voters. Typically the more excitement a candidate generates the worse they will do because they tend to be far from the mainstream. Mainstreamism (for lack of a better term) is not exciting but generates votes. If a fringe candidate can break into the mainstream they can turn that excitement into a majority but that doesn't happen very often. I think Obama will have an exceptionally hard time doing it.

Many people who don't understand this phenomenon see it a conspiracy because it appears that the candidate that is clearly more popular lost.

The Washington State governors race in 1996 was a perfect example or this. The GOP nominated Ellen Craswell a very conservative state senator know as Senator No for her refusal to ever vote to raise taxes. She generated enormous excitement, there were more signs and bumper stickers for here than I have ever seen for any candidate in my life. Her signs and bumper stickers probably out number her opponents 5 or 10 to 1. She lost by almost twenty points and never lead in the polls.

Of course this kind of thing happened to Ron Paul in the primaries as well. Ron Paul's signs out numbered all his opponents signs combined in the area I'm from. When you don't understand the nature of politics these things look like obvious manipulation but that really isn't what is going on.

[freelance]

If it is an Obama victory, we all know what to expect from the GOP. They will lay the blame solely on our shoulders.

To quote the sitting VP, "SO?"

[Original_Intent]

I am assuming most of us have at least one middle finger.:D

[Truth Warrior]

I am assuming most of us have at least one middle finger.:D Yep, one on each hand. ;)

[Akus]

If a question of the evil Ron Paul people messing up another GOP win, I will simply lie and say I voted for McCain.

[Rhys]

we blame the the "wrong right" for putting us in this situation.

[Ibgamer]

Not to mention the majority of the GOP treated Ron Paul supporters like shit. I can't believe they would even expect us to vote for McCain.

Aint that the truth

[nobody's_hero]

I. Really. Don't. Care.

[libertarian4321]

I said we should be prepared for the inevitable political attacks if McCain loses.


Seriously, unless you want to let them blame this whole thing on our movement with no retaliation on our part then continue to ignore what I'm saying.

History repeats itself, and I don't want Libertarianism to go the way of the Perot and the Reform Party.

They will try to neutralize us at every turn, all I'm saying is let's build a strategy to prevent an attack like this taking hold with those that are sitting on the fence.


They will use this to persuade other GOP'ers from standing up for their principals.

They will use this to persuade other GOP'ers to follow blindly party lines.



The Reform Party didn't collapse because of "retaliation", the Reform Party collapsed because it was a "cult of personality", with no real principals, built around one man, and as soon as that man (Perot) left, the party had no direction- in 2000, they considered nominating everything from Donald Trump (conservative businessman) to Hollywood Liberal (Warren Beatty) to socialist (I forgot the name) to right wing isolationist (eventual nominee Pat Buchanan). The Reform Party collapsed because it STOOD FOR NOTHING.

The Republicans are going to get beat badly in November.

They at least have an outside shot at winning the Presidency if they can whip up enough hysteria among uneducated whites about Obama being a black Muslim America hater.

They are going to get DESTROYED in congressional elections.

None of it can be blamed on us- it should be blamed on the neocons who don't support Republican principals.

[Knightskye]

They'll lose because their values and positions didn't match ours, not because a third party candidate "took votes away."

I'm backing Bob Barr. If you want to act like (or be) a jerk, go ahead. And read my signature.

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

If we really do get the blame for a McCain loss, it might start making them actually take the liberty vote seriously.

[Truth Warrior]

They'll lose because their values and positions didn't match ours, not because a third party candidate "took votes away."

I'm backing Bob Barr. If you want to act like (or be) a jerk, go ahead. And read my signature. GREAT RP quote, BTW. ;)

Thanks! :)

[Knightskye]

If a question of the evil Ron Paul people messing up another GOP win, I will simply lie and say I voted for McCain.

Why not? McCain lied and said he voted for Bush. :D


GREAT RP quote, BTW.

:)

[torchbearer]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2128/2116453677_89e522fed6_o.gif

[TastyWheat]

If they didn't pick such a war-mongering, senile, liberal candidate I might have bit the bullet and voted Republican. If they didn't pick such a war-mongering, senile, liberal candidate THEY WOULDN'T NEED OUR VOTE!

[GunnyFreedom]

My response:

The Republicans lost in 2008 because they strayed from their base. A well known former Gubernatorial candidate in NC, Fred Smith, likes to say something that I find particularly apt in this case -- "You can't win elections as a Republican by acting more liberal, you win them by being more Conservative and offering the Democrats an alternative."

The fact is, that what Mr Smith says is true. If the Democrats wanted to vote for a liberal, they will vote for their own candidate. To win as a Republican, you have to give them a real alternative. In 2008, the GOP nominated John McCain -- one of the most liberal Republicans in the nation, and they lost, because they failed to take Fred Smith's advice to heart.

[Grandson of Liberty]

I think I'd have three words for them:

"Make fun, buddy."

(Ahh, remember that one?) The GOP loved to mock us and RP, right up until we cost them the election. Not so funny now, huh? :cool:

[Flash]

I hope the GOP acknowledges we helped cost them the election.

[Broadlighter]

Here's my reply:

"What part of 'you've lost your way don't you understand?'"

Losing to Obama may cause the GOP rank and file to do something they've seemed incapable of doing for many years - self reflection!

[speciallyblend]

I think I'd have three words for them:

"Make fun, buddy."

(Ahh, remember that one?) The GOP loved to mock us and RP, right up until we cost them the election. Not so funny now, huh? :cool:

mccain will lose colorado,i will buy advertising against mccain and for bob barr here anything to make sure the lying corrupt gop loses it's ass on a silver platter!!!!

[SnappleLlama]

I forget...why should I care what the GOP thinks again?

[acptulsa]

Atlas just shrugged.

[ronpaulhawaii]

This tactic isn't meant to influence us, it's meant to influence those outside of the circle.

CbRP makes a good point here; that being prepared for ALL thrusts from our opponents, (whether they be RINOs, or DINOs) is a good thing. Right and wrong doesn't matter as much on the surface, and being prepared with a clever counterthrust is a traditional approach to dealing with negative press...

Usually the best approach is to ignore it though... see below


Yeah, it's hard to understand unless you have been around politics for a long time.
...
When you don't understand the nature of politics these things look like obvious manipulation but that really isn't what is going on.

Interesting, thanks


If we really do get the blame for a McCain loss, it might start making them actually take the liberty vote seriously.

there is that, too;)

All that said, here are my raw:eek: notes from a class on "handling negative press"

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
Handling negative information

Most campaign activity is building organization and image

Attacks and defenses excite people the most

Clashes can make or break a campaign

2 types of neg

about you - perhaps the only options -
End the usefullness of the story ASAP
Ignore - most of the time is correct response
response just incites the oppo to continue attacks
campaigns that are continually defending are losers
a vigorous, serious attack cannot be ignored

3 part response (1) - often works
deny
prove the contrary
show moral indignation

3 part response (2)
confess
defend as right at time
show moral idignation that the charge was raised
moral indignation is powerful and contagious

2 part response
confess
laugh it off

3 part (3) this option only works once, if at all
confess
humbly and completely apologize
promise not to do it again

2part (2)
refuse to discuss
immediately change the subject dramatically
sex scandal - wife refutes

Before you are attacked
Frame the attack before it is raised
Brainstorm possible attacks before others do
Be brutally frank - demand candor
Put in context most favorable
Bankruptcy taught understanding of hardship
Spouse (alcohol) problems hint at family values, understanding

Commercials wear out quicker in the boardroom than the living room - 7 times is the charm

about opponent

Don't fire all of your ammo at once - Keep the story alive
Release enough for a round of media and no more, wait till subside, repeat
Clip your opps tail incrementally, your own once


a relatively unknown must raise credibility, name recognition before attacking

an incumbant or popular can mix positive and negative from the start

when is the latest you can raise negative
Thurs afternoon before tues election, it takes time for issue to sink in

two types

Policy issues - public expects attacks on policy - not mud
votes
contributions - received and sent
extremist or crooked associates
policy proposals

Personal or character issue - is mud
never be used by HQ or those close to the campaign
resist the temptation - judgement is impaired

1- ignore the info - most often the right thing to do
triviality can be counterproductive
hard to ignore - we are not impartial - consider whole context/pattern
elections are not a court of law, being right is necessarily important
It is a matter of marketing, not proof

2- Draw play (solid, uncontestable proof)
make charge without producing solid proof.
If opp denies charge, produce irrefutable proof
Opp caught lying to press is deadly

Keep pushing till
opp answers the charge well
opp returns with damaging charge of his own
voters get bored

10 ways to renew an issue

1- Demand an explanation > unsatisfactory
2- Demand the real explanation
3- Demand opp apologize
4- Demand a better apology
5- Have credible outside group push the issue
6- Create a public demonstration with legible signs in appropriate place
7- Letters to the Editor - more frequently read than editorials
8- Articulate people to call talk-radio
9- Get bloggers involved
10- Paid Advertising - "first resort of incompetant"

leaking info is very dangerous

[Sematary]

Guys, with new polls showing the race closing in, there is a problem I think we should be prepared for...

If it is an Obama victory, we all know what to expect from the GOP. They will lay the blame solely on our shoulders.

Perhaps that's what they want, either try to guilt us into voting McCain, or try to neutralize the movement by blaming us for sabotaging McCain's campaign.

Either way, I think we should be prepared to deal with these inevitable attacks if or when Obama wins.

Ron Paul Followers Pose Danger For McCain In West
http://wcbstv.com/campaign08/ron.paul.mccain.2.784897.html

What's to deal with? We all know when the Republicans lose it's their own damn fault and I'm more than happy to tell them so. It's not my fault they've become the fascist part of America.

[acptulsa]

What's to deal with? We all know when the Republicans lose it's their own damn fault and I'm more than happy to tell them so. It's not my fault they've become the fascist part of America.

And we aren't the only ones who will be saying it.

We aren't the disease, we're just a symptom. Did the fact that the rats left the sinking ship first mean they had something to do with its sinking, or just that they were the wisest passengers?

[GunnyFreedom]

I'm not sure that "We didn't vote GOP because we're rats." is going to sell very well to the electorate we are trying to win for the CFL.

[acptulsa]

I'm not sure that "We didn't vote GOP because we're rats." is going to sell very well to the electorate we are trying to win for the CFL.

:D Good point. I'm not saying this is the best simile to use, I'm just saying that having us in lockstep for old times' sake won't help them survive their present malaise. We ain't the disease. We're trying to be the cure.

Maybe we should tell them we're practising "tough love".

[GunnyFreedom]

:D Good point. I'm not saying this is the best simile to use, I'm just saying that having us in lockstep for old times' sake won't help them survive their present malaise. We ain't the disease. We're trying to be the cure.

Maybe we should tell them we're practising "tough love".

That sounds a lot better. Seems to me the point of the exercise in this thread is to be prepared with ammunition to return fire when we get blamed for losing the election for McCain....with a particular eye towards growing the CFL. It's not the guy blaming us we will win, necessarily, but all the other guys standing around listening to the exchange.

[Feenix566]

It doesn't matter who wins the Presidency in 2008. Obama and McCain agree on everything that matters. When they accuse us of helping Obama win, tell them that.

[Andrew-Austin]

I think by nominating McCain, there is no possible way they could shrug failure off of themselves. They absolutely reek of it. Just base all arguments around the stupidity of nominating McCain.

[damien88]

Tell them we voted Republican when we were given a chance to vote for a real Republican

[pacelli]

Guys, with new polls showing the race closing in, there is a problem I think we should be prepared for...

If it is an Obama victory, we all know what to expect from the GOP. They will lay the blame solely on our shoulders.

Perhaps that's what they want, either try to guilt us into voting McCain, or try to neutralize the movement by blaming us for sabotaging McCain's campaign.

Either way, I think we should be prepared to deal with these inevitable attacks if or when Obama wins.

Ron Paul Followers Pose Danger For McCain In West
http://wcbstv.com/campaign08/ron.paul.mccain.2.784897.html

We've been attacking them since they got behind McCain. It seems that they turned their backs on us early on. We have the facts of our candidate's voting record on our side.

[GunnyFreedom]

Make no mistake about it, ladies and gentlemen, our #1 priority from this moment on absolutely must be growing the CFL. It's time to stop relying on Ron to do all the work personally, and we pick up and grow the CFL.

By growing the CFL we also recruit the people who will attend the conventions with us in 2009 to replace the GOP leadership with Ron Paul people.

We only have until February before the 2009 NC precinct conventions...and I'm sure it's even earlier than that for a lot of you. We absolutely MUST make a big dent in the leadership structure of the GOP in 2009.

We have, what, 6, or at most 7 months to recruit enough CFL/RP people to attend the conventions to actually vote the neo-cons out of office?

Let's not wait until the last minute on this thing like we did for most of the actual campaign.

We can't wait until September either, because 1) we need to boost attendance at the shadow convention, and 2) come September we'll be down to 3-4 months before the 2009 convention cycle begins.

[acptulsa]

"I'm sorry, but I'm not rich enough to vote Republican any more. And neither are you. We can take our party back, or we can let Rupert Murdoch go play with himself and do something different. But we can't afford this any more.

[CountryboyRonPaul]

Make no mistake about it, ladies and gentlemen, our #1 priority from this moment on absolutely must be growing the CFL. It's time to stop relying on Ron to do all the work personally, and we pick up and grow the CFL.

By growing the CFL we also recruit the people who will attend the conventions with us in 2009 to replace the GOP leadership with Ron Paul people.

We only have until February before the 2009 NC precinct conventions...and I'm sure it's even earlier than that for a lot of you. We absolutely MUST make a big dent in the leadership structure of the GOP in 2009.

We have, what, 6, or at most 7 months to recruit enough CFL/RP people to attend the conventions to actually vote the neo-cons out of office?

Let's not wait until the last minute on this thing like we did for most of the actual campaign.

We can't wait until September either, because 1) we need to boost attendance at the shadow convention, and 2) come September we'll be down to 3-4 months before the 2009 convention cycle begins.



Thanks for taking the question seriously, I think your right, our best bet is simply to continue growing the CFL.

Perhaps we can reach some sort of "breaking point" of popularity that will make any scare tactics the GOP uses against conservative values backfire with the average conservative voter, that is if we haven't already reached that point.

Maybe I'm just being overly worried about the GOP trying to slow us down.

However, I'd much rather be overly worried, than totally unconcerned with what actions the GOP takes to stop us. ;)

[Truth Warrior]

PC Version: "Oh Lord GOP, please forgive us poor sinners for our errant ways. We've now, once again, seen the light of your omniscient beneficence."



:p < GAG! >

[alaric]

Guys, with new polls showing the race closing in, there is a problem I think we should be prepared for...

If it is an Obama victory, we all know what to expect from the GOP. They will lay the blame solely on our shoulders.

Perhaps that's what they want, either try to guilt us into voting McCain, or try to neutralize the movement by blaming us for sabotaging McCain's campaign.

Either way, I think we should be prepared to deal with these inevitable attacks if or when Obama wins.

Ron Paul Followers Pose Danger For McCain In West
http://wcbstv.com/campaign08/ron.paul.mccain.2.784897.html

not worried about this. I will simply say you had your chance in the primaries and you blew it by selecting another 'lesser evil'. We are not going to take it anymore. If you want mccain to avoid obama, so what . I'm supposed to support treason and votefraud? Go look in the mirror for the cause of this disaster. I'm talking to 'them', not the poster of this message. I have no sympathy for them anymore. We did this last with bush vs kerrygore and look at the 'greater good' we got.

[Jeremy]

We would they blame us? We should blame them.

[acptulsa]

We would they blame us? We should blame them.

That would be the best defense--provided we can get our voices heard.

[CountryboyRonPaul]

PC Version: "Oh Lord GOP, please forgive us poor sinners for our errant ways. We've now, once again, seen the light of your omniscient beneficence."



:p < GAG! >

They know we're not coming back to them.

They simply intend to polarize the people who are turning their back on conservative values and voting for McCain against us.


Divide and Conquer.

Our goal should naturally be the opposite. ;)

Unite and Defend (the Constitution and the party platform)

[acptulsa]

Divide and Conquer.

Our goal should naturally be the opposite. ;)

Unite and Defend (the Constitution and the party platform)

They certainly understand the divide and conquer concept--the G.O.P. has used it often enough. How useful would it be to demonstrate unequivocally that they have now used it against themselves--for the Democrats' benefit?

If they'd demonstrably rather promote the status quo than conservatism (and they would) we'd gain.

[CountryboyRonPaul]

At the very least they would like us to revert to apathy after getting screwed over once again.

A person not voting for liberty in 2012 is just as good to them as a person that votes for McCain.

[CountryboyRonPaul]

They certainly understand the divide and conquer concept--the G.O.P. has used it often enough. How useful would it be to demonstrate unequivocally that they have now used it against themselves--for the Democrats' benefit?

We need to make sure that message gets heard, though!!!

We will be alone in spreading that message, we don't have friends in the media like they do.


...Maybe Glenn Beck, but not many....

[Truth Warrior]

They know we're not coming back to them.

They simply intend to polarize the people who are turning their back on conservative values and voting for McCain against us.


Divide and Conquer.

Our goal should naturally be the opposite. ;)

Unite and Defend (the Constitution and the party platform)
Folks just think and do WHATEVER folks think and do. It's OUTSIDE of our control.<IMHO>

BTW,

The Federal Constitution Is Dead (http://www.lewrockwell.com/gutzman/gutzman17.html)
Kevin Gutzman on who killed it.

[CountryboyRonPaul]

Speaking of media, I'd just like to remind you guys how important Youtube is to our free media.

A little off topic here....

I'm not sure if you guys have seen this, but this Orphan Works Bill threatens that freedom.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqBZd0cP5Yc




We definately can't let them take our main source of free media before 2012.

[CountryboyRonPaul]

Folks just think and do WHATEVER folks think and do. It's OUTSIDE of our control.<IMHO>

BTW,

The Federal Constitution Is Dead (http://www.lewrockwell.com/gutzman/gutzman17.html)
Kevin Gutzman on who killed it.

Yeah, I know we're probably to far gone.

That won't make me stop trying though. :)




Edit: Oh, and people also think and do what is droned into their brains constantly by the media. We need to be safe from those dangerous 3rd world muslims, how can our 500 billion a year Defense spending alone ever protect us!!! Please take mah freedom!!!


The whole point of this thread is that we'll have to deal with the media blaming us for Obama in the white house, no matter how false it is. And sheeple will listen

[Truth Warrior]

Yeah, I know we're probably to far gone.

That won't make me stop trying though. :)
"There is no "try". There is only do or don't do." -- Yoda ;)


:)