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tribute_13
08-03-2008, 03:45 AM
Yeah, I keep hearing when I thread-lurk that Robert Taft was an awesome guy. I'm not entirely schooled in politics because I'm still young but I learned recently in U.S. History that Robert Taft actually screwed up everything Teddy did. Teddy, being a Progressive, was a Trust Buster, a Nature Conservation"ist", broke up illegal monopolies of the railroad companies and stopped their unfair taxing and such and Robert Taft who was nominated by Teddy to run went behind Teddy's back and basically screwed up everything Roosevelt had worked on in office and gave most of the protected lands back to the government to use and gave taxing rights back to railroad companies. This angered Teddy and he ran along with other disgruntled Progressives and formed the Bull-Moose Party which is what caused Woodrow Wilson to win the 1912 election and royally fuck our country up.

So, that's what I learned in school, did I miss something on why Taft is a great liberty loving political figure or are the tales of Teddy over exaggerated. Is this an example of why public education makes people stupid and blind to facts?

muh_roads
08-03-2008, 04:27 AM
Taft despised NATO and spoke against it every chance he could.

tribute_13
08-03-2008, 04:32 AM
Taft despised NATO and spoke against it every chance he could.

... Is that all? :confused:

I know a bunch of people who despise NATO, hell I'm one of em'

GunnyFreedom
08-03-2008, 04:39 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Taft

Start there. It's not bad.


ETA: Oh, and he wasn't fat. ;-) That was his dad, William Taft, who was President.

tribute_13
08-03-2008, 04:43 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Taft

Start there. It's not bad.


ETA: Oh, and he wasn't fat. ;-) That was his dad, William Taft, who was President.

HAHA, well that would be where my dumbass screwed up. I thought Robert taft was President. Well that explains it all. William Taft was the assclown, ok. This thread is done. I recognize my noobish mistake. Thanks.:o

Kludge
08-03-2008, 04:44 AM
Robert A. Taft Club

Founded in 2006, the Robert A. Taft Club (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_A_Taft_Club) describes itself as offering "lively debate on issues that the typical beltway conservative movement ... often avoids."[3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Taft#cite_note-2) At a 2007 club meeting, U.S. Congressman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Congress) Ron Paul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Paul) (who sought the Republican presidential nomination in 2008) described why Taft is a personal hero of his. ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8cPoCcqL3U )


Lol, unexpected paragraph...

tribute_13
08-03-2008, 04:47 AM
*If I could, I'd delete this thread lol. I feel REALLY stupid. It could be that I made the mistake of distinguishing William Taft and Robert Taft because it's now 7 in the morning and I haven't slept at all. Please don't reply to this thread because I have already established that I'm an idiot :rolleyes:

GunnyFreedom
08-03-2008, 04:50 AM
William Taft was almost certainly not as bad as your class made him out to be, however, he did push for this shortsighted piece of tidbit:

16th Amendment

To solve an impasse during the 1909 tariff debate, Taft proposed income taxes for corporations and a constitutional amendment to remove the apportionment requirement for taxes on incomes from property (taxes on dividends, interest and rents), on June 16, 1909.[10] His proposed tax on corporate net income was 1% on net profits over $5,000. It was designated an excise on the privilege of doing business as a corporation whose stockholders enjoyed the privilege of limited liability, and not a tax on incomes as such. In 1911, the Supreme Court, in Flint v. Stone Tracy Co., upheld the tax. Receipts grew from $21 million in the fiscal year 1910 to $34.8 million in 1912.

In July, 1909, a proposed amendment to remove the apportionment requirement was passed unanimously in the Senate and by a vote of 318 to 14 in the House. It was quickly ratified by the states, and in February 3, 1913, it became a part of the Constitution as the Sixteenth Amendment, as Taft was leaving office.

GunnyFreedom
08-03-2008, 04:51 AM
*If I could, I'd delete this thread lol. I feel REALLY stupid. It could be that I made the mistake of distinguishing William Taft and Robert Taft because it's now 7 in the morning and I haven't slept at all. Please don't reply to this thread because I have already established that I'm an idiot :rolleyes:

Believe me, it's an easy mistake to make. But I'll respect your wishes and reply no further.

Bradley in DC
08-03-2008, 09:27 AM
Be careful. There are lots of Tafts (I'm from Cincinnati--Taft country).

The "fat" one was President Taft whom Teddy Roosevelt ran against.

The Robert A. Taft we usually reference was "Mr. Republican" Sen. Taft who ran in the Republican primary against Ike.

I now have to refer to myself as an "old" Taft Republican because our most recent moron of a governor in Ohio (Bob Taft) tarnished the name.