I am a bit scared about this event

[cilution]

Is anyone else afraid of the rally turning into a self-promotion event? Sure, the speakers will be there claiming to support Ron Paul, liberty, and the consitution, but I can guarantee you we'll be hearing lines like "it's like I talk about in my book..." and to me, that just makes everything out of their mouth questionable, as well as the event itself.

Before I go any further, let me just say that I have bought my tickets and I will be there regardless. Whether I'll stay through all the speakers is another story. Ron Paul taught me to be a man of principle, and if I have to sit there and listen to people promote themselves, I will walk out.

I was watching coverage of the hearing on CSPAN about presidential power/abuse, and I couldn't believe the witnesses... speaking in front of the panel, talking up their own books, even holding them up for the cameras. It seems like everyone is out for personal gain and they'll do just about anything it takes to achieve it. This is why I'm worried about some of the speakers at the Rally for the Republic.

When I first found out about Ron Paul, I was very optimistic and enthusiastic. I did my part, went to the caucus, got elected as a delegate, donated money, etc., as I'm sure many of you have. Now, it seems like our support base is being targeted as a market for products/donations more than anything else. I feel like people are trying to take advantage of us.

I hope I am not the only person who is concerned about this. Enough people have already tarnished Ron Paul's reputation by using him as a symbol to hide behind while expressing views of their own.

[kathy88]

Is anyone else afraid of the rally turning into a self-promotion event? Sure, the speakers will be there claiming to support Ron Paul, liberty, and the consitution, but I can guarantee you we'll be hearing lines like "it's like I talk about in my book..." and to me, that just makes everything out of their mouth questionable, as well as the event itself.

Before I go any further, let me just say that I have bought my tickets and I will be there regardless. Whether I'll stay through all the speakers is another story. Ron Paul taught me to be a man of principle, and if I have to sit there and listen to people promote themselves, I will walk out.

I was watching coverage of the hearing on CSPAN about presidential power/abuse, and I couldn't believe the witnesses... speaking in front of the panel, talking up their own books, even holding them up for the cameras. It seems like everyone is out for personal gain and they'll do just about anything it takes to achieve it. This is why I'm worried about some of the speakers at the Rally for the Republic.

When I first found out about Ron Paul, I was very optimistic and enthusiastic. I did my part, went to the caucus, got elected as a delegate, donated money, etc., as I'm sure many of you have. Now, it seems like our support base is being targeted as a market for products/donations more than anything else. I feel like people are trying to take advantage of us.

I hope I am not the only person who is concerned about this. Enough people have already tarnished Ron Paul's reputation by using him as a symbol to hide behind while expressing views of their own.



I don't think anyone invited by RP to speak giving their pet project a plug is a bad thing. Perhaps people will turn off the tube and read for a change. I do understand your concerns, but let's let this thing unfold as it will. It is an unprecedented event that is going to get attention, whether the opposing voices want it to or not. It is too unique.

[torchbearer]

in everything that has happened since the beginning, there is always a person that fits the role of the debbie downer or the "i'm afraid" guy.
Then you have others who bitch about anything and everything and the only correct answer to anything is Ron Paul.
Guess its more apparent to some than to others... I've seen these cycles repeat about 10 different times in the past campaign season.


example:
I'm concerned about person x, because they may do situation a, and really it would just be safer if we all just stayed home and didn't associate, unless of course they are exactly a clone of Ron Paul.

[TER]

Hey, if they were invited to speak, they may have some important things to say that I could le*rn from. I wouldn't mind them plugging their book.I might even go out and buy it so I could learn more.

[Oyate]

Is anyone else afraid of the rally turning into a self-promotion event?

Ever since I heard Tucker is the MC I kind of had to go through an adjustment.

I think it's SUPPOSED to be a forum to let other liberty candidates promote their campaigns. It's supposed to be a place for different organizations to (buy a space to) promote themselves in. At least that's the way I see it. I think people will be there promoting themselves, others, this initiative, that hand-out, whatever. It's all good.

[AcidReign]

in everything that has happened since the beginning, there is always a person that fits the role of the debbie downer or the "i'm afraid" guy.
Then you have others who bitch about anything and everything and the only correct answer to anything is Ron Paul.
Guess its more apparent to some than to others... I've seen these cycles repeat about 10 different times in the past campaign season.

November 5th immediately comes to mind.

Commercials are annoying, but thats the free market. At least it isn't Ron Paul and Pepsi's Rally for the Republic.

[shemdogg]

i aint worried

[Sally08]

Is anyone else afraid of the rally turning into a self-promotion event? Sure, the speakers will be there claiming to support Ron Paul, liberty, and the consitution, but I can guarantee you we'll be hearing lines like "it's like I talk about in my book..." and to me, that just makes everything out of their mouth questionable, as well as the event itself.

Before I go any further, let me just say that I have bought my tickets and I will be there regardless. Whether I'll stay through all the speakers is another story. Ron Paul taught me to be a man of principle, and if I have to sit there and listen to people promote themselves, I will walk out.

I was watching coverage of the hearing on CSPAN about presidential power/abuse, and I couldn't believe the witnesses... speaking in front of the panel, talking up their own books, even holding them up for the cameras. It seems like everyone is out for personal gain and they'll do just about anything it takes to achieve it. This is why I'm worried about some of the speakers at the Rally for the Republic.

When I first found out about Ron Paul, I was very optimistic and enthusiastic. I did my part, went to the caucus, got elected as a delegate, donated money, etc., as I'm sure many of you have. Now, it seems like our support base is being targeted as a market for products/donations more than anything else. I feel like people are trying to take advantage of us.

I hope I am not the only person who is concerned about this. Enough people have already tarnished Ron Paul's reputation by using him as a symbol to hide behind while expressing views of their own.

One only has to read the *very* mixed feedback about the "appropriateness" of the speakers/speeches at the DC March to show that your concerns are very legitimate, based on RP-related events just within the past couple of weeks.

Personally, the minute someone starts to tout his/her own product in "infomercials" as the "miracle cure" to health or world affairs, I immediately "change channels", just as many people who participated in the DC March posted that they did during the speeches.

My ISP filters the vast majority of such product promotions to SPAM, unless I have subscribed to an Internet *marketer's* newsletter. Haven't actually bought their affiliate products, either-

Either speeches are in support of the Campaign for Liberty principles or the speeches are used to sell the speakers' own books and products. I don't think that the highly intelligent RP supporters will put up with the latter for long-

As to the other replies - time will tell whether your concerns were justified.

How many in Germany were labeled "Debbie Downers"?

More importantly, is RP a "Debbie Downer", as well, per the MSM and the GOP?

[newyearsrevolution08]

I still love it that people still think this is about 1 MAN and 1 POSITION.....

of course there will be people there pushing their warez, does no one realize that there MIGHT be a couple more patriots out there BESIDES ron paul who are doing something productive?

Also remember that Ron did not pay for this event , WE ARE...... Our ticket sales odds are is what is funding this entire event SO with that comes a more BROAD rally or at least that is how I see it for now.

I can picture everyone and their mama trying to cash in though and it odds are will be as annoying as a telemarketer BUT thats free markets at work.

[torchbearer]

They said they are spending a lil' over a million on this event. they are going all out.
The venue alone was a quarter million.

[MRoCkEd]

hopefully they know what the speakers will say before they say it

[HenryKnoxFineBooks]

I think "scared" may be a bit dramatic. I am not worried in the least. I have had years of training listening to people on TV and radio that I do not agree with, and are trying to sell me their books and stuff.

I believe most of us adults will survive having to endure someone we may not agree 100% with. (I still don't agree with Kuchinich, but i can listen to him).

[cilution]

You guys do understand that anything that is said on that stage will be immediately attached to Ron Paul for anyone that isn't familiar with him? You can be damn well sure the news outlets will be focusing on the most controversial things said and report them negatively. And yes, if we hear any of the same crap that some speakers were saying at the DC march, we'll seem like more of a cult than anything, and certainly will not be expanding our influence or bolstering our ranks, at least not with the types of people we want and need.

For the last damn year I've seen Ron get crap thrown at him that he never said, but his supporters did. And you know what? That hurt him considerably when it came to winning over support. I just don't want to see history repeat itself yet again and have news stories the day after the rally reporting about crap like Ron Paul's 9/11 conspiracy convention, or the like. This is where my fear comes from.

I fear this event hurting our cause more than helping it. We have to assume the news is going to try to find the negative in this and focus solely on that.

[HenryKnoxFineBooks]

Would having no event at all help more?

[torchbearer]

Would having no event at all help more?

It would definitely be safer.:rolleyes:

[shemdogg]

thought about this some

jesse ventura means this shit's a guaranteed sellout

i just hope r3voLutionaries get the tix 1st

[HenryKnoxFineBooks]

You guys do understand that anything that is said on that stage will be immediately attached to Ron Paul for anyone that isn't familiar with him? You can be damn well sure the news outlets will be focusing on the most controversial things said and report them negatively. And yes, if we hear any of the same crap that some speakers were saying at the DC march, we'll seem like more of a cult than anything, and certainly will not be expanding our influence or bolstering our ranks, at least not with the types of people we want and need.

For the last damn year I've seen Ron get crap thrown at him that he never said, but his supporters did. And you know what? That hurt him considerably when it came to winning over support. I just don't want to see history repeat itself yet again and have news stories the day after the rally reporting about crap like Ron Paul's 9/11 conspiracy convention, or the like. This is where my fear comes from.



Wait, originally you were afraid (scared) that it would turn into a self-promotional event , where the speakers would be hawking their books?

You may be afraid about alot of things that shouldn't be worried about.

[RickyJ]

Whether I'll stay through all the speakers is another story. Ron Paul taught me to be a man of principle, and if I have to sit there and listen to people promote themselves, I will walk out.


I will stay to hear every word whether I agree with it or not. That's if I can afford to go at all. It may be indeed be tripe, but the event is more than just hearing the speakers speak, it is a chance to meet fellow Ron Paul supporters and to have a good time. So if someone is saying something I strongly disagree with I would boo them before walking out. If I paid for a ticket and the travel expense of going there I sure the heck am not leaving until it is over. Unless of course I get thrown out. :D

[torchbearer]

Wait, originally you were afraid (scared) that it would turn into a self-promotional event , where the speakers would be hawking their books?

You may be afraid about alot of things that shouldn't be worried about.

or an agent outed.

[RickyJ]

thought about this some

jesse ventura means this shit's a guaranteed sellout

i just hope r3voLutionaries get the tix 1st

It may mean that, but I hope Jesse doesn't try to make the whole thing about him. Because there are many issues I strongly disagree with Jesse on. But at least he is coming around regrading 9/11 now. :D Got to give him points for that. :)

[HenryKnoxFineBooks]

or an agent outed.


There's a few low post count, recent joiners, aint been around since Feb. 5th, "i'm worried about", "How can the gold standard possibly work", there was only 1500 at the DC march, "i'm just saying", people that i'm keeping an eye on at the moment.

Looks like we may have come back on a few radar screens.

[cilution]

Yeah, because people with low post counts can't possibly have any valid concerns. They must all be trolls out to sabotage everything!

I want this event to work as much as you do. Blind optimism isn't going to make that happen.

The Ron Paul crowd isn't nearly as big as it was late last year and early this year. Most people have given up or lost interest. If you don't believe me, go to Alexa.com and type in ronpaul2008.com and campaignforliberty.com, view the reach over the max range. Internet traffic doesn't lie. That hurts to see, honestly.

By the way, why do people think Jesse Ventura will bring in a lot of people? I live in Maple Grove, the same city he lived in when he was governor. I know his daughter. I really don't think him being a featured speaker is going to draw much of a crowd. Minnesotans aren't going to flock to him, at all. He's old news.

Another concern I have is people openly admitting to purchasing tickets even though they can't, or more than likely can't, make the event. I've seen this several times now. What good is it to "sell out" the Target Center if news cameras pan around the audience and see chunks of empty seats? Surely this has to annoy you guys as well.

Now I wonder if anyone will actually address/comment on my concerns or go straight to "shun the nonbeliever! Shuuuuuuunnnnnnnah."

PS: If you honestly think I'm just a troll, see this post: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1190356#post1190356

[dcbpe]

Yeah, because people with low post counts can't possibly have any valid concerns. They must all be trolls out to sabotage everything!

I want this event to work as much as you do. Blind optimism isn't going to make that happen.

The Ron Paul crowd isn't nearly as big as it was late last year and early this year. Most people have given up or lost interest. If you don't believe me, go to Alexa.com and type in ronpaul2008.com and campaignforliberty.com, view the reach over the max range. Internet traffic doesn't lie. That hurts to see, honestly.

By the way, why do people think Jesse Ventura will bring in a lot of people? I live in Maple Grove, the same city he lived in when he was governor. I know his daughter. I really don't think him being a featured speaker is going to draw much of a crowd. Minnesotans aren't going to flock to him, at all. He's old news.

Another concern I have is people openly admitting to purchasing tickets even though they can't, or more than likely can't, make the event. I've seen this several times now. What good is it to "sell out" the Target Center if news cameras pan around the audience and see chunks of empty seats? Surely this has to annoy you guys as well.

Now I wonder if anyone will actually address/comment on my concerns or go straight to "shun the nonbeliever! Shuuuuuuunnnnnnnah."

PS: If you honestly think I'm just a troll, see this post: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1190356#post1190356

Low post counts don't mean squat. Mine's probably lower than yours.

I'm wasn't so worried about the speakers...until I heard about Jesse. He might be a draw or he might not, but the last few times I heard him (most recently on Opie and Anthony) he was spewing that 9/11 Truther stuff which turns off about 99% of the population we're trying to reach. If he sticks to his "how the two party system isn't listening" script, he'll be fine. If he starts running down the WTC7-WTF road, then that will make the news and be associated with Ron. And I may have to throw something at him from section 132.

As for people buying tickets when they can't go...I agree with you dude. I've seen that, and I understand some people have a desire to see the pretty little ticker number go up, but it's not logical.

We need asses in chairs! Buy a commemorative ticket and leave the ones associated with chairs to people who are able to put their ass in it. Or, find a way to put your own ass in it! Rideshare, hitchhike, take a bus. Find a Meetup or a Ronvoy. I think my car is full, but if anyone backs out I'll certainly post a seat in my car to get your ass into a seat in Minneapolis.

[PlzPeopleWakeUp]

nt

[PlzPeopleWakeUp]

nt

[Eric21ND]

in everything that has happened since the beginning, there is always a person that fits the role of the debbie downer or the "i'm afraid" guy.
Then you have others who bitch about anything and everything and the only correct answer to anything is Ron Paul.
Guess its more apparent to some than to others... I've seen these cycles repeat about 10 different times in the past campaign season.


example:
I'm concerned about person x, because they may do situation a, and really it would just be safer if we all just stayed home and didn't associate, unless of course they are exactly a clone of Ron Paul.

No crap! Remember the first money bomb controversy? haha look at us now baby!

[RickyJ]

You actually listen to what Jesse is saying about 9/11 though? He isn't pointing the finger at anyone. He just sees enough things that do not add up to want a real investigation about it.

I think 9/11 was a total inside job. You know what I do for a living? I'm a structural designer. I've been involved in large scale construction since I was 16. But I tire of this argument and I don't have the energy anymore. All I can say is spend 40 hours researching it, and read the 911 comission report. Then call us crazy if you still feel like it... /sigh

A structural engineer that is a 9/11 truther! Glad to meet you. For years government trolls told us people like you didn't exist. IMO WTC7 is the smoking gun of 9/11. The collapse of WTC7 was in the words a demolition expert "a perfect demolition", and perfect demolitions take months to set up. Also the BBC reported WTC7 totally collapsed 30 minutes before it did. Any one that thinks this is just a coincidence doesn't think logically.

[PlzPeopleWakeUp]

nt

[NH4RonPaul]

C-SPANn and C-SPAN2 are also picking it up.

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/index.asp?layout=talkbackCommentsFull&talk_back_header_id=6546374&articleid=ca6583051

[HenryKnoxFineBooks]

Yeah, because people with low post counts can't possibly have any valid concerns. They must all be trolls out to sabotage everything!

I want this event to work as much as you do. Blind optimism isn't going to make that happen.

The Ron Paul crowd isn't nearly as big as it was late last year and early this year. Most people have given up or lost interest. If you don't believe me, go to Alexa.com and type in ronpaul2008.com and campaignforliberty.com, view the reach over the max range. Internet traffic doesn't lie. That hurts to see, honestly.

By the way, why do people think Jesse Ventura will bring in a lot of people? I live in Maple Grove, the same city he lived in when he was governor. I know his daughter. I really don't think him being a featured speaker is going to draw much of a crowd. Minnesotans aren't going to flock to him, at all. He's old news.

Another concern I have is people openly admitting to purchasing tickets even though they can't, or more than likely can't, make the event. I've seen this several times now. What good is it to "sell out" the Target Center if news cameras pan around the audience and see chunks of empty seats? Surely this has to annoy you guys as well.

Now I wonder if anyone will actually address/comment on my concerns or go straight to "shun the nonbeliever! Shuuuuuuunnnnnnnah."

PS: If you honestly think I'm just a troll, see this post: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1190356#post1190356




ok, let me "address your concerns". Don't worry about it. Hows that. What happens, happens.

[Hangly Man]

Fud

[Wendi]

I am more worried about what 15 thousand of us can concoct to do when we all get together... or what "they" might find an excuse to do to "us." But... I'll be there. I can't wait. *grin*