Iousa

[sickmint79]

i have been waiting almost a year for this movie to come out. it is made by the guys that publish the investment newsletters i read. it is about the economy being a mess and i always hoped it would have come out earlier because i think it would have helped rp get some votes. the movie was invited to show at sundance and won some awards there as well. some of their predictions came to start happening so parts of it have been re-shot and the current version has just been completed. they have been wondering how to distribute the movie, but pete peterson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_George_Peterson) has purchased the movie for his new foundation which is striving to spread the message and has a billion dollars behind it. so the movie has gone from being in maybe 6 theaters to now over 400, but is currently set for only a one time showing. it will be shown august 21st (thursday) at 7pm cst. after the movie there will be a live simulcast interview/panel with warren buffet, pete peterson, and david walker - formerly basically the top accountant for the federal government.

the movie's website is here - http://www.iousathemovie.com/

you can watch a trailer here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBo2xQIWHiM

you can find theaters it is playing in here - http://www.fathomevents.com/details.aspx?eventid=728 - i'll be going in gurnee.

as a bonus if you buy your ticket online and forward a copy of the receipt to customerservice@agorafinancial.com you will get a free 1 yr subscription to this newsletter - http://www.agorafinancialpublications.com/THE_PUBS/DRI/Index.html as a note, i also have access to all of their other newsletters.

yes, it's a movie about economics - but it has great reviews and should be shot well enough to keep you interested, as their intent is to get their message across about real problems and to make the information consumable. i highly recommend attending the showing, i don't think you will regret it.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

i have been waiting almost a year for this movie to come out. it is made by the guys that publish the investment newsletters i read. it is about the economy being a mess and i always hoped it would have come out earlier because i think it would have helped rp get some votes. the movie was invited to show at sundance and won some awards there as well. some of their predictions came to start happening so parts of it have been re-shot and the current version has just been completed. they have been wondering how to distribute the movie, but pete peterson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_George_Peterson) has purchased the movie for his new foundation which is striving to spread the message and has a billion dollars behind it. so the movie has gone from being in maybe 6 theaters to now over 400, but is currently set for only a one time showing. it will be shown august 21st (thursday) at 7pm cst. after the movie there will be a live simulcast interview/panel with warren buffet, pete peterson, and david walker - formerly basically the top accountant for the federal government.

the movie's website is here - http://www.iousathemovie.com/

you can watch a trailer here - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBo2xQIWHiM

you can find theaters it is playing in here - http://www.fathomevents.com/details.aspx?eventid=728 - i'll be going in gurnee.

as a bonus if you buy your ticket online and forward a copy of the receipt to customerservice@agorafinancial.com you will get a free 1 yr subscription to this newsletter - http://www.agorafinancialpublications.com/THE_PUBS/DRI/Index.html as a note, i also have access to all of their other newsletters.

yes, it's a movie about economics - but it has great reviews and should be shot well enough to keep you interested, as their intent is to get their message across about real problems and to make the information consumable. i highly recommend attending the showing, i don't think you will regret it.

very nice trailer. thanks. bump

are you affiliated?

your sig doesn't work btw

[cien750hp]

Ron Paul was in the trailer at least once, and maybe the voice saying "this system discourages people from saving" was him too, couldn't tell.
I suppose he may have a prominent role in this movie, like he did in freedom to fascism?

[RonPaulFever]

Sweet! It's playing in my town. This will be a great opportunity to reunite our meetup group.

[cien750hp]

bump this for others to see it

[libertarian4321]

Too bad they aren't showing this at the CFL rally in Minnesota.

[muzzled dogg]

niceeeeeeee

[JoshLowry]

When Pete G Peterson's foundation supports this movie, then that should set off some warning bells in your head.

http://www.pgpf.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_George_Peterson

Be careful with that group and their projects. ;)

[RonPaulR3VOLUTION]

http://digg.com/movies/The_Movie_YOU_cannot_afford_to_miss


http://digg.com/search?s=The+Movie+YOU+cannot+afford+to+miss&submit=Search&section=all&type=both&area=dig&sort=score

[Cowlesy]

Wow -- The Agora Financial guys are backing this movie? Bill Bonner writes my favorite free newsletter "The Daily Reckoning".

I'd encourage all of you to to subscribe by the way --- Bonner is just amazing and right a terrific satirical/financial column each day. Agora guys also include the "Mogambo Guru" aka Richard Daughty.

[JosephTheLibertarian]

When Pete G Peterson's foundation supports this movie, then that should set off some warning bells in your head.

http://www.pgpf.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_George_Peterson

Be careful with that group and their projects. ;)

what's that all about?

[squandertime]

i dont care if he was chairman of the cfr or tight with rockefeller

i am using this event to promote campaign for liberty and i suggest yall hurry and start promoting it in your towns - finding one person and engaging that one person into the liberty movement just might be the one person we need.

[raystone]

what's that all about?

Cognitive dissonance happening Watch....head......EXPLODE !!!

[RonPaulR3VOLUTION]

i dont care if he was chairman of the cfr or tight with rockefeller

i am using this event to promote campaign for liberty and i suggest yall hurry and start promoting it in your towns - finding one person and engaging that one person into the liberty movement just might be the one person we need.

Yeah, I do not see any benefit in staying away from this movie. If it is being put out by questionable people, that is even *more* reason to show up to provide real solutions, especially when you have materials related to someone from the movie.

[axiomata]

If a CFR member said he was voting for Ron Paul I'm sure some here would reconsider Ron Paul as a result.

[kathy88]

Too bad they aren't showing this at the CFL rally in Minnesota.


Maybe that could be arranged?

[sickmint79]

very nice trailer. thanks. bump

are you affiliated?

your sig doesn't work btw

fixed sig. not affiliated, i do have a subscription to all agora products though. they have a daily blog and have been mentioning this movie for 10 months. i was hoping it would come out earlier to help bring people over to rp's side and wake up people who don't care or are economically ignorant. should be good.

[sickmint79]

When Pete G Peterson's foundation supports this movie, then that should set off some warning bells in your head.

http://www.pgpf.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_George_Peterson

Be careful with that group and their projects. ;)

they are not even trying to blame anyone, or even say exactly what to do going forward - they are trying hard just to say here is the problem and make you understand it. i'm sure this was tough to do as the movie is mostly republican/libertarian type guys. in any case agora made it, pete peterson just bought it. went from being in 6 theaters or something to over 400. he also donated a billion dollars to get this message out and hired david walker away from being the head comptroller of the government. david walker is certainly one of the good guys.

[sickmint79]

Maybe that could be arranged?

good idea... i'll shoot agora a note and see what they think about passing out dvds or having a showing or something.

[FrankRep]

I.O.U.S.A. Movie Trailer: One Nation, Under Stress, In Debt

http://hiderefer.com/?http://digg.com/business_finance/I_O_U_S_A_Movie_Trailer_One_Nation_Under_Stress_In _Debt

DIGG!

[sickmint79]

got your tix yet peoples??

[voytechs]

Every meetup should make arrangements for a viewing with its members. I'm going to kick something off for our meetup.

[sickmint79]

here's a writeup that was on the front page of the business section of the washington post - http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/06/AR2008080603569.html?referrer=emailarticle

[gilliganscorner]

We should be out in movie theatres passing out pamphlets as to what the real solution is, as opposed to Peterson's drones advocating some bastard of a wold government, world currency, world taxing authority, yada yada yada.....

Put another way, you won't see them advocating for the abolition of the IRS, the Federal Reserve, a return to sound money...

Beware, this movie is attempt to frame the problem, and "bait and switch" the gullible drone that goes to the movie to embrace the CFR way,...

[ProBlue33]

Check this out, the trailer even features Ron Paul

http://www.iousathemovie.com/

[phoenixrising]

i could have sworn i read somewhere it was being shown at the rally!! anyone????

[RonPaulR3VOLUTION]

i could have sworn i read somewhere it was being shown at the rally!! anyone????

I don't know about the rally, but I thought this was interesting:

"And [I.O.U.S.A.] will be at the two political conventions as part of a film festival that will be airing during those conventions." --David Walker, 00:52:40

rtsp://video1.c-span.org/project/economy/econ072908_moran.rm

http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/index.php?main_page=product_video_info&products_id=280083-1

http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/includes/templates/library/flash_popup.php?pID=280083-1&clipStart=&clipStop=

http://www.c-span.org/search.aspx?For=david+walker

[Bern]

When Pete G Peterson's foundation supports this movie, then that should set off some warning bells in your head. ... Be careful with that group and their projects. ;)

Bring on the Amero! :eek:

[Ninja Homer]

i could have sworn i read somewhere it was being shown at the rally!! anyone????

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?p=1596263#post1596263


Yea, David Walker. We are working with his organization. Can't get into details. Sorry.

There's going to be a break in the Rally from 5 - 6:30 PM for the Donor Dinner. Maybe they'll show it during that time?

[phoenixrising]

I don't know about the rally, but I thought this was interesting:

"And [I.O.U.S.A.] will be at the two political conventions as part of a film festival that will be airing during those conventions." --David Walker, 00:52:40

rtsp://video1.c-span.org/project/economy/econ072908_moran.rm

http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/index.php?main_page=product_video_info&products_id=280083-1

http://www.c-spanarchives.org/library/includes/templates/library/flash_popup.php?pID=280083-1&clipStart=&clipStop=

http://www.c-span.org/search.aspx?For=david+walker



The nonprofit will help promote the film's release and offer free DVDs of ``I.O.U.S.A.'' to the public after its theatrical run, said foundation spokeswoman Elizabeth Wilner.



It will also spend $5.3 million in grants to help young people learn about public and personal finance.
``We're not going to be just another think tank,'' Peterson said to the group. ``Our mission is to create awareness and to bring Americans together to achieve real results. Why is that so difficult?''

[lynnf]

Peterson..

fmr chair of the CFR --- probably wants to paint a bad picture of the economy so they can pull out the Amero or some other nefarious scheme as the solution -- he's there as a provocateur!

would be good if we could snatch the prize right out from under them by exposing what they are trying to do!

lynn

[SolusSLX]

Good points gilliganscorner and lynnf!

An interesting line they use in the promo and site:
“May be to the U.S. Economy what An Inconvenient Truth was to the environment.” - Reuters

A fraud to promote the corporate globalist agenda by manipulating reactions and solutions to manufactured problems? (http://www.projectcamelot.org/Report_from_Iron_Mountain.pdf)

[SLSteven]

A fraud to promote the corporate globalist agenda by manipulating reactions and solutions to manufactured problems?

Hopefully it will have more purpose than that.

[SolusSLX]

Hopefully it will have more purpose than that.

Yeah, and these bear repeating:


If it is being put out by questionable people, that is even *more* reason to show up to provide real solutions, especially when you have materials related to someone from the movie.

We should be out in movie theatres passing out pamphlets as to what the real solution is...

would be good if we could snatch the prize right out from under them by exposing what they are trying to do!
+3!

Maybe meetup groups should try to organize something with this in mind. Maybe try to get some fliers printed up and pass them out outside the theaters as people enter or exit. It could be a standard flier that all groups could download and have printed. Maybe ask the theater to see if you can get permission to hand fliers out as people enter and exit. It might be better to have the group near the exits so that when everyone leaves the meetup can pass the fliers out to everyone in a short time. This creepy Bloomberg article (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601088&sid=aSi411UWhgkg&refer=home) says they will be handing out DVDs, maybe the meetups can try to volunteer to be the ones passing out the DVDs, along with our fliers and maybe other DVDs. ;]


Blackstone Group LP co-founder Peter G. Peterson celebrated the launch of his $1 billion foundation last night by showing off his latest acquisition: a documentary that examines the perils of the U.S.'s debt.

As he stood a few feet from a portrait of himself at the Council of Foreign Relations in Manhattan -- he's a former chairman -- Peterson, 82, addressed an elite crowd of 150 that included (evil) philanthropists David Rockefeller and Donald B. Marron; former U.S. Secretary of State (criminal) Henry Kissinger; former New York Governor Mario Cuomo; Quadrangle Group LLC co-founder Steven Rattner and Robert Rubin, the former (Goldman Sachs Co-Chairman and) U.S. treasury secretary (and current Director and Chairman of the Executive Committee of Citigroup).

That sounds pretty creepy. Some of the people that the article says are "celebrating" and interviewed in the movie seem to be the ones that helped cause the problems in the first place...

[parke]

Scared shitless bump.

[SolusSLX]

I'll try making a basic flier and then maybe someone more skilled can make a better version later with cool graphics and stuff.

Does anyone have any ideas on what could be on the flier? What points are addressed in the movie, and what solutions should be recommended?

Maybe also have a list of websites on it to learn more, but what web sites?

There could also be a movie list with other movies to learn more, what movies, and what is the best way to tell people to look for them? Maybe just say "here's a list of movies you should look into for more information. You can also find some of them online at Video.Google.Com".

Any more ideas?

[sickmint79]

We should be out in movie theatres passing out pamphlets as to what the real solution is, as opposed to Peterson's drones advocating some bastard of a wold government, world currency, world taxing authority, yada yada yada.....

Put another way, you won't see them advocating for the abolition of the IRS, the Federal Reserve, a return to sound money...

Beware, this movie is attempt to frame the problem, and "bait and switch" the gullible drone that goes to the movie to embrace the CFR way,...

the movie is not promoting a single one of those ideas. you guys need to reign in the conspiracy talk and speculation as that is something that hurts ron paul's camp and credibility. here people are making accusations like this without ever even seeing the movie - in the end what do you think it really hurts? the movie's credibility or yours? and what does that do to any message you try to get across?

[sickmint79]

Good points gilliganscorner and lynnf!

An interesting line they use in the promo and site:
“May be to the U.S. Economy what An Inconvenient Truth was to the environment.” - Reuters

A fraud to promote the corporate globalist agenda by manipulating reactions and solutions to manufactured problems? (http://www.projectcamelot.org/Report_from_Iron_Mountain.pdf)

agora does not actually like this quote, as they are not on an al gore/controversial science bandwagon. apparently they think it is a good note for publicity though and will arouse interest from the crowd that does like gore's movie.

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

Peterson..

fmr chair of the CFR --- probably wants to paint a bad picture of the economy so they can pull out the Amero or some other nefarious scheme as the solution -- he's there as a provocateur!

Hang on a sec while I pull on my flame-resistant gear.

Okay, ready. A lot of evil people have been and are in the CFR. But it's possible that some people are halfway decent and just terribly flattered to be ask to join such an elite organization. I haven't read the membership agreement, but do they ask members to swear allegiance to the New World Order? According to their mission statement -- hold on: incoming! That was close. According to its mission statement, their purpose is to debate foreign policy and make people more aware about what's going on internationally.

Doh -- one got me. I don't keep a bucket of water next to the computer for nothing.

I'm just saying, do we KNOW everyone who has ever been involved with the CFR is evil? Now the Bilderbergs, that's another matter. :eek: :)

[SLSteven]

Hang on a sec while I pull on my flame-resistant gear.

Okay, ready. A lot of evil people have been and are in the CFR. But it's possible that some people are halfway decent and just terribly flattered to be ask to join such an elite organization. I haven't read the membership agreement, but do they ask members to swear allegiance to the New World Order? According to their mission statement -- hold on: incoming! That was close. According to its mission statement, their purpose is to debate foreign policy and make people more aware about what's going on internationally.

Doh -- one got me. I don't keep a bucket of water next to the computer for nothing.

I'm just saying, do we KNOW everyone who has ever been involved with the CFR is evil? Now the Bilderbergs, that's another matter. :eek: :)

Are you OK?

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

Are you OK?

A little crispy, but I was planning to get my hair done next week anyways. Thanks for the concern.

[lynnf]

... A lot of evil people have been and are in the CFR. But it's possible that some people are halfway decent and just terribly flattered to be ask to join such an elite organization. I haven't read the membership agreement, but do they ask members to swear allegiance to the New World Order? According to their mission statement -- hold on: incoming! That was close. According to its mission statement, their purpose is to debate foreign policy and make people more aware about what's going on internationally.


I'm just saying, do we KNOW everyone who has ever been involved with the CFR is evil? Now the Bilderbergs, that's another matter. :eek: :)


of course they're going to have a benign mission statement! do you expect that they would have something like an admission about evil bastards taking over the world? but don't you think that any decent person that had been there awhile would figure out what was amiss? Peterson was the doggone chair for mysakes!

some might be dupes, but that is just another type of evil --- they don't look or don't want to know -- too busy enjoying the perks!

lynn

[Ninja Homer]

Peterson acquired the movie in July '08. Whether Peterson is a bad guy or not, he had no input on the production of this movie.

From what I've heard, IOUSA doesn't address solutions to the problem. It may not even address causes of the problem, but I'm not sure on that. The purpose of the movie is to inform people about how bad the financial problem is, and what that means to everybody.

The only problem I see is that Peterson could possibly, potentially, maybe use the movie as a spring board to offer a crappy solution to the problem... like the Amero. He also may do the complete opposite. Really, not all rich and powerful people are bad. We'll just have to keep an eye on it and see what happens.

In the mean time, we CFL'ers have that same opportunity... to use the movie to spread word and grow support on the REAL solution to the problem. We know all the places that IOUSA will be showing on its premiere, and it shouldn't be too hard to organize and hand out literature, DVD's, etc.

Here's the theater list for the premiere on 8/21/08. It's a big list, but covering all locations should be doable.
http://www.fathomevents.com/news/default.aspx?newsid=144

[KenInMontiMN]

They may actually be trying to put together a panel with opposing viewpoints, idk. I'd recommend taking in the documentary and judging it on its own merits, and treating the discussion panel more or less the same. My understanding, which may not be perfect, is that the only way to get a look into the discussion panel is to be in a theater 8/21. The documentary itself I suspect will be available later a number of different ways possibly.

[gilliganscorner]

the movie is not promoting a single one of those ideas. you guys need to reign in the conspiracy talk and speculation as that is something that hurts ron paul's camp and credibility. here people are making accusations like this without ever even seeing the movie - in the end what do you think it really hurts? the movie's credibility or yours? and what does that do to any message you try to get across?

My point was, whether or not this movie contains, for lack of better phrase, "CFR sanctioned" solutions, it does NOT hurt us to pass out information that directs the audience to the correct solution.

We (meaning the members of the RPF) know what the solution is, but the general public will go through this thought process:

1) "Wow! I had no idea things were this bad! I'm scared! What about my kid's future!"
2) "We have to do something about this!" which inevitably translates to, "What is my nanny (the government) going to do about this!?1?"
3) Government appoints a "special commission" to look into the problem. The spectrum of debate is limited immediately. The government appoints "well known", "infinitely qualified", "respected" members to the commission, to "make recommendations" to "secure America's future"
4) What will come out of the commission? I don't know. What I can tell you is that it is very unlikely that the following statement will be made:


Enacting the Federal Reserve Act was a serious mistake. In 1909, a National Monetary Commission was set up as a result of of a series of bank panics culminating in a particularly severe one in 1907. Back then, it was not generally known why these bank panics occurred, and we leave it to the reader to research this. The "National Monetary Commission" was composed of people representing the "Money Trust", people who had vast, powerful connections to the banking industry. It was like asking the fox to guard the hen-house. The Federal Reserve act was passed in on December 22, 1913, with very limited opposition. It didn't help that most Congressman failed to read the act, let alone understand what it was, save for a few lone voices like Congressman Lindbergh and Congressman McFadden.

The Federal Reserve has failed the American people miserably. It failed to prevent the Great Depression, the recessions that have occurred since that time, the Savings and Loan Crisis, and all of the events plaguing the financial system today. In addition, it has failed to protect the purchasing power of the dollar - in fact, it has dropped 96% since 1914. It was said that the Fed is a lender of last resort, when clearly over time, it appears to have become a donor of the first resort to institutions deemed "too big to fail" when unsound fiscal decisions by a wealthy few ultimately causes the American people to pay for it via Fed bailouts via the insidious inflation tax, something most of us do not know about and is not taught in or public school system.

As a result, the Federal Reserve, or any central bank for that matter, poses a great moral hazard. If you are deemed "too big to fail", and you know that the Fed will step in to bail you, why exercise fiscal prudence? Couple that with corporate limited liability laws, legislation has created the perfect vehicle where the wealthy directors of these corporations can privatize their gains, while using government institutions to socialize losses to the American people.

In addition, a central bank provides financing to the State to support both sound and unsound government programs. It used to be that the State was limited to spending via the taxes it took in. The government knew that if it were to raise taxes, it would be voted out of office. Not a popular thing to do. A central bank allows for the swapping of government created debt for money. Our government prints bonds in any amount it wishes and exchanges for money the Federal Reserve prints out of thin air. Don't let the so-called "debt ceiling" fool you. It has been raised many, many times to allow the government to continue spending. Out of control government spending has saddled our children with unimaginable debt. The United States went from the world's biggest creditor to the world's biggest debtor today.

Paper (or fiat) money allows governments - all government with a central bank - to wage wars and create spending boondoogles that wastes ALL American citizens' productivity. The world has become a very dangerous place by all this paper debt. Currently, America is at war with Iraq and Afghanistan, with Iran shaping up to be yet another "military engagement". Why is no major media asking the question, "How are we going to pay for all of this?"

<more explanatory verbage inserted here>

Therefore, we the commission make the following broad recommendations:

1) Freeze government spending. Evaluate and justify existence of ALL government departments. If it doesn't support the idea of individual freedoms and/or leveling the playing field for ALL market participants, abolish it and replace it with nothing.
2) Repeal limited liability laws, return to sound currency, and let the market choose what form of payment is to be used. Legalize gold and silver usage as money again. If two parties agree that payment is to be made in yak dung, so be it. Their call.
3) Legalize competition by removing taxation, regulation, and confiscation schemes that favor big monopolies and squeeze out smaller players.
4) Bring our troops home and defend our borders. Change all of our world military bases into safe economic points of trade.
5) Most importantly, abolish the IRS and the Federal Reserve. One steals the peoples money directly out of their pockets, and the other steals their money without taking their money directly via inflation. The Constitution should be amended to state that ANY future government that attempts to put in place a central bank mechanism shall abrogate office immediately.
7) Speaking of the Constitution...Follow it.

In closing a commission like ours should never have to be formed again at the taxpayer's expense. Your government has failed the Constitution and the American people. Time to scrap it and rebuild...

Hey. Maybe that's it. We should form a Ron Paul Forums Commission voluntarily and work on a "Commission Recommendation" following the principles outlined by Ron Paul and distribute that at movie theatres. Why wait for the CFR or the State hijack it? We could be proactive on this....is that where we should dedicate our energies for the next short while? I know that there are people in these forums that are MUCH more versed than I.

Anyone?

[gilliganscorner]

Hang on a sec while I pull on my flame-resistant gear.

Okay, ready. A lot of evil people have been and are in the CFR. But it's possible that some people are halfway decent and just terribly flattered to be ask to join such an elite organization. I haven't read the membership agreement, but do they ask members to swear allegiance to the New World Order? According to their mission statement -- hold on: incoming! That was close. According to its mission statement, their purpose is to debate foreign policy and make people more aware about what's going on internationally.

Doh -- one got me. I don't keep a bucket of water next to the computer for nothing.

I'm just saying, do we KNOW everyone who has ever been involved with the CFR is evil? Now the Bilderbergs, that's another matter. :eek: :)

Let's mosey on over to the Federal Reserve's website...


"The Federal Reserve, the central bank of the United States, provides the nation with a safe, flexible, and stable monetary and financial system"

Yep. A benign statement. And how's that all working out for us?

Stable monetary system? Let's see:

From: http://www.minneapolisfed.org/Research/data/us/calc/

"If in 1914 (year), I bought goods and services for 0.05 dollars, then in 2007, the same goods and services would cost: $1.04." - That represents a (drum roll) 95.19% drop in the value of my money thanks to that "stable monetary system".

What about the "stable financial system". Umm...do I really need to document that? We could start with the Great Depression and work forward....

So the CFR's statement, "According to its mission statement, their purpose is to debate foreign policy and make people more aware about what's going on internationally.".

People aware? What people? Oh yeah, those who get on the invite list and can afford to attend. Who are they? Debate policy? Let's see what James Warburg said:


"We shall have World Government, whether or not you like it, by conquest or consent." (Feb. 17, 1950, to the United States Senate Committee on Foreign Relations)"

Who was James Warburg? The son of Paul Warburg, who was a private banker that is largely given credit for being the chief architect of the Federal Reserve.

[Scribbler de Stebbing]

I am NO fan of the CFR! Don't get me wrong! I'm just saying there could be an occasional member whose heart is not entirely black. I don't know if that's the case or not with Pete Peterson.

For example, I've been a member of the Republican Party since I was born. Does that make me a warmongering neocon even though those positions now the marque of this party?

[gilliganscorner]

I am NO fan of the CFR! Don't get me wrong! I'm just saying there could be an occasional member whose heart is not entirely black. I don't know if that's the case or not with Pete Peterson.

For example, I've been a member of the Republican Party since I was born. Does that make me a warmongering neocon even though those positions now the marque of this party?

Never said you were :) Nor do I disagree with you that there might be people who aren't good people in that organization. Does it matter? There are good people in the Republican party. Does it matter? Ron Paul voted against legislation that was un-constitutional many, many times. Did it matter when lunatics that rule us stack the deck in such a way that drowns out good people's voices?

My point is that the movie would be a great vehicle for RP supporters to organize and put out educational tools, like our own Commission Report, helping people to understand how we REALLY got to this point, and what a pragmatic REAL solution could be to get out of this mess.....before the CFR - or any other "reputable" organization offers up their "shining beacon of light" that leads us to more ruin.

It isn't a personal attack.

[sickmint79]

My point was, whether or not this movie contains, for lack of better phrase, "CFR sanctioned" solutions, it does NOT hurt us to pass out information that directs the audience to the correct solution.

We (meaning the members of the RPF) know what the solution is, but the general public will go through this thought process:

1) "Wow! I had no idea things were this bad! I'm scared! What about my kid's future!"
2) "We have to do something about this!" which inevitably translates to, "What is my nanny (the government) going to do about this!?1?"
3) Government appoints a "special commission" to look into the problem. The spectrum of debate is limited immediately. The government appoints "well known", "infinitely qualified", "respected" members to the commission, to "make recommendations" to "secure America's future"
4) What will come out of the commission? I don't know. What I can tell you is that it is very unlikely that the following statement will be made:



Hey. Maybe that's it. We should form a Ron Paul Forums Commission voluntarily and work on a "Commission Recommendation" following the principles outlined by Ron Paul and distribute that at movie theatres. Why wait for the CFR or the State hijack it? We could be proactive on this....is that where we should dedicate our energies for the next short while? I know that there are people in these forums that are MUCH more versed than I.

Anyone?

i am not disagreeing that it is a good opportunity to pass out fliers or information. what i am worried about is how that is done.

say you pass out information saying, hey, the current way money works is based on the keynesian school of economics. here is how it works. the school of economics i believe in is austrian, and here is how it works, and here is what it says about keynesian economics. here is how and why i think the housing bubble was created. etc. that's great.

now if instead people are outside of the theater wearing 9/11 was an inside job shirts and passing things out saying ZOMG CFR AMERO!!!!11 - you will instantly destroy credibility and turn off 95% of people.

[gilliganscorner]

now if instead people are outside of the theater wearing 9/11 was an inside job shirts and passing things out saying ZOMG CFR AMERO!!!!11 - you will instantly destroy credibility and turn off 95% of people.

Absolutely agreed. I hate it when people do that stuff. Makes me cringe....

[dirknb@hotmail.com]

This movie sounds like it's going to be a total deflection of the real cause of the problem, and probably offer a false solution. Marianne, have you ever been chairman of the Republican Party? Peterson was chairman of the CFR. You just don't get to be in that position unless you are a warmongering neocon and part of the problem. Still, I agree that we should take the opportunity to pass out info to the audiences. I think DVD's of Fiat Empire and/or Creature from Jekyll Island and/or Money as Debt would be great if you can get enough copies burned.

[LibertyEagle]

Okay, ready. A lot of evil people have been and are in the CFR. But it's possible that some people are halfway decent and just terribly flattered to be ask to join such an elite organization.

Yeah, that's possible, but I don't think that's realistic when it comes to Peterson. He was the head of the CFR for many, many years. Not to mention the other organizations he started and is hooked up with.

http://www.jbs.org/index.php/jbs-news-feed/2032-establishment-leader-says-hell-combat-debt-problem-

[gilliganscorner]

Yeah, that's possible, but I don't think that's realistic when it comes to Peterson. He was the head of the CFR for many, many years. Not to mention the other organizations he started and is hooked up with.

And he named his foundation after himself. That should set off all the alarm bells and whistles that we are dealing with a narcissist, egomaniac, and/or a full blown psychopath. :eek: :D

Or not.

[dirknb@hotmail.com]

Yeah, that's possible, but I don't think that's realistic when it comes to Peterson. He was the head of the CFR for many, many years. Not to mention the other organizations he started and is hooked up with.

http://www.jbs.org/index.php/jbs-news-feed/2032-establishment-leader-says-hell-combat-debt-problem-

The article at that link says it all. I think it deserves posting it:

Establishment Leader Says He’ll Combat Debt Problem (http://www.jbs.org/index.php/jbs-news-feed/2032-establishment-leader-says-hell-combat-debt-problem-)

Written by John F. McManus Monday, 14 July 2008 12:30

Everyone knows that our nation is awash in red ink. Peter G. Peterson, perhaps second only to David Rockefeller as the leader of the liberal Establishment that has steered the nation into massive indebtedness, claims he will alert Americans to the problem. But the people didn’t overspend, government did.

Sending a fox to guard the chicken house has never made any sense. In like manner, no one should expect a leader of the liberal Establishment to reverse the nation’s suicidal fiscal condition created by the liberal Establishment. Recently retired after 22 years as Chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations, the very seat of the Establishment, former commerce secretary Peter G. Peterson has created a foundation (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/14/us/politics/14caucus.html) he named after himself to address the government’s massive and worsening indebtedness

Last year, Peterson’s private equity firm known as the Blackstone Group went public and he quickly reaped $1.8 billion selling its stock. That he benefited greatly from tax breaks other Americans don’t enjoy isn’t well known. But Economic Policy Institute economist Jared Bernstein sees a contradiction when this supposed debt fighter skirts normal taxation. Of Peterson’s good fortune, he stated, “Those loopholes bleed billions of dollars from the federal treasury. It makes him a weird spokesperson for the cause.”

The Peterson Foundation hired former U.S. Comptroller General David M. Walker to serve as its president. A consistently sound opponent of massive federal debt, Walker will serve under a board of directors that includes, Peterson, his wife Joan Ganz Cooney, and their son Michael Peterson, each a CFR member. Good luck David Walker! As one small indication of what he’s up against, the most recent issue of the CFR’s Foreign Affairs journal features a recommendation by Robert A. Pastor calling on our nation to join with Canada to create a “North American investment fund to reduce the income disparity between Mexico and its northern neighbors.” He would like to see it start at $20 billion per year. It will take many billions (trillions?) to bring Mexicans up to a standard of living found to their north. No one should expect the Peterson Foundation to criticize the Pastor plan.

Peterson’s brand new foundation unveiled its freshly produced documentary entitled “I.O.U.S.A.” on July 14 in Washington. Scheduled for showing in 400 theaters starting next month, the film will focus on the huge imbalance between federal promises and federal income. Making an off-hand reference to the title of Al Gore’s feature film about global warming, Walker commented, “People need to see it – it represents the real inconvenient truth.” The film is designed to alert young Americans to the debt burden they face as they grow older.

In 1992, Peterson enlisted Senate veterans Paul Tsongas of Massachusetts and Warren Rudman of New Hampshire in a deficit-fighting venture called the Concord Coalition. Unlikely candidates to fight federal indebtedness, Tsongas and Rudman had each compiled records as big government spenders. In its 16 years, the Concord Coalition has accomplished nothing in holding down the ever-larger deficits and ever-threatening unfunded promises contained in Social Security, Medicare and other so-called “entitlements.” The new Peterson Foundation will likely produce similar results.

Peterson wants the American people to believe that he’s a hard-nosed conservative who can be counted on to champion fiscal responsibility, less government and lower taxes. From 1977 to 1980, however, he served as one of two U.S. members (out of a total of 18) of the Brandt Commission, a project of the Socialist International (SI). Actually, the fifth try at organizing the world according to Karl Marx, SI tapped the former chancellor of Germany, Willy Brandt, to lead in producing a new blueprint for international socialism. The Brandt Commissions recommendations, announced at a gathering held at the United Nations, were completely consistent with what can be found in The Communist Manifesto. Peterson would prefer that his participation in this outfit wasn’t known.

It would be terrific if the newly formed Peterson Foundation could lead a campaign designed to stem our nation’s headlong rush toward a fiscal meltdown. But, with Peter G. Peterson leading it, don’t expect more than occasional bursts of indignation and little change.

[gilliganscorner]

The article at that link says it all. I think it deserves posting it:

Establishment Leader Says He’ll Combat Debt Problem (http://www.jbs.org/index.php/jbs-news-feed/2032-establishment-leader-says-hell-combat-debt-problem-)

Written by John F. McManus Monday, 14 July 2008 12:30

Everyone knows that our nation is awash in red ink. Peter G. Peterson, perhaps second only to David Rockefeller as the leader of the liberal Establishment that has steered the nation into massive indebtedness, claims he will alert Americans to the problem. But the people didn’t overspend, government did.

Sending a fox to guard the chicken house has never made any sense. In like manner, no one should expect a leader of the liberal Establishment to reverse the nation’s suicidal fiscal condition created by the liberal Establishment. Recently retired after 22 years as Chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations, the very seat of the Establishment, former commerce secretary Peter G. Peterson has created a foundation (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/14/us/politics/14caucus.html) he named after himself to address the government’s massive and worsening indebtedness

Last year, Peterson’s private equity firm known as the Blackstone Group went public and he quickly reaped $1.8 billion selling its stock. That he benefited greatly from tax breaks other Americans don’t enjoy isn’t well known. But Economic Policy Institute economist Jared Bernstein sees a contradiction when this supposed debt fighter skirts normal taxation. Of Peterson’s good fortune, he stated, “Those loopholes bleed billions of dollars from the federal treasury. It makes him a weird spokesperson for the cause.”

The Peterson Foundation hired former U.S. Comptroller General David M. Walker to serve as its president. A consistently sound opponent of massive federal debt, Walker will serve under a board of directors that includes, Peterson, his wife Joan Ganz Cooney, and their son Michael Peterson, each a CFR member. Good luck David Walker! As one small indication of what he’s up against, the most recent issue of the CFR’s Foreign Affairs journal features a recommendation by Robert A. Pastor calling on our nation to join with Canada to create a “North American investment fund to reduce the income disparity between Mexico and its northern neighbors.” He would like to see it start at $20 billion per year. It will take many billions (trillions?) to bring Mexicans up to a standard of living found to their north. No one should expect the Peterson Foundation to criticize the Pastor plan.

Peterson’s brand new foundation unveiled its freshly produced documentary entitled “I.O.U.S.A.” on July 14 in Washington. Scheduled for showing in 400 theaters starting next month, the film will focus on the huge imbalance between federal promises and federal income. Making an off-hand reference to the title of Al Gore’s feature film about global warming, Walker commented, “People need to see it – it represents the real inconvenient truth.” The film is designed to alert young Americans to the debt burden they face as they grow older.

In 1992, Peterson enlisted Senate veterans Paul Tsongas of Massachusetts and Warren Rudman of New Hampshire in a deficit-fighting venture called the Concord Coalition. Unlikely candidates to fight federal indebtedness, Tsongas and Rudman had each compiled records as big government spenders. In its 16 years, the Concord Coalition has accomplished nothing in holding down the ever-larger deficits and ever-threatening unfunded promises contained in Social Security, Medicare and other so-called “entitlements.” The new Peterson Foundation will likely produce similar results.

Peterson wants the American people to believe that he’s a hard-nosed conservative who can be counted on to champion fiscal responsibility, less government and lower taxes. From 1977 to 1980, however, he served as one of two U.S. members (out of a total of 18) of the Brandt Commission, a project of the Socialist International (SI). Actually, the fifth try at organizing the world according to Karl Marx, SI tapped the former chancellor of Germany, Willy Brandt, to lead in producing a new blueprint for international socialism. The Brandt Commissions recommendations, announced at a gathering held at the United Nations, were completely consistent with what can be found in The Communist Manifesto. Peterson would prefer that his participation in this outfit wasn’t known.

It would be terrific if the newly formed Peterson Foundation could lead a campaign designed to stem our nation’s headlong rush toward a fiscal meltdown. But, with Peter G. Peterson leading it, don’t expect more than occasional bursts of indignation and little change.

That would be an excellent goodie to include in our "I.O.U.S.A: An Independent Commisson Report" which would be an effort of RPFs. Or perhaps we could entitle it: "I.O.U.S.A: A Viewer's Handbook to the REAL Solution"

[sickmint79]

This movie sounds like it's going to be a total deflection of the real cause of the problem, and probably offer a false solution. Marianne, have you ever been chairman of the Republican Party? Peterson was chairman of the CFR. You just don't get to be in that position unless you are a warmongering neocon and part of the problem. Still, I agree that we should take the opportunity to pass out info to the audiences. I think DVD's of Fiat Empire and/or Creature from Jekyll Island and/or Money as Debt would be great if you can get enough copies burned.

no, it doesn't sound like that at all. it sounds like that is what people are speculating it to be here because they are all wound up in being victimized by the elite them or that. i have not seen the movie but my understanding is that they are doing as little as possible to put blame on people or even offer solutions - they are just saying LOOK we have a problem - here is what it is. do you think it is the role of government to do X? if so, then you better figure out how to fund it. do you think it is right that the government has done Y? then do some research on how you are going to vote around Y in the future, etc. the movie has democrats, republicans, independents etc. in it.

one of the guys with real input to the movie (peterson had NONE. ZERO!) is addison wiggin - you can see his bio here. http://www.agorafinancial.com/addisonwiggin/addisonwiggin.html

as a side note, i like money as debt, it's a great tool. do note that it completes with a social credit approach though, not a free market but a different socialistic approach.

[sickmint79]

That would be an excellent goodie to include in our "I.O.U.S.A: An Independent Commisson Report" which would be an effort of RPFs. Or perhaps we could entitle it: "I.O.U.S.A: A Viewer's Handbook to the REAL Solution"

the movie is about our debt problem. if you don't think we have one, feel free to make hand outs saying how these deficits are ok - surely there ARE people that argue this.

i think it would be better to entitle it: "IOUSA: my commentary after i actually viewed the movie."

how about for every 10 minute block that doesn't mention one of the CFR's vile solutions, someone owes me 1 oz silver coin, and for every 10 minute block where it does, i owe them a 1 oz silver coin. anyone want to take my bet? i don't mind stacking my hoard. buy them today because precious metals (somewhat painfully) are cheap right now.

[sickmint79]

here is a guide from their site - http://www.iousathemovie.com/download/

the movie will basically be elaborating on that. if you want to make any supporting or constructive information available off of that then please do so. but reign in all the wild ideas i really don't want to walk out of this theater with my parents and have someone handing me a flier that has any mention whatsoever of a new world order, amero, nau, cfr, bilderburgs, etc.

[dirknb@hotmail.com]

no, it doesn't sound like that at all. it sounds like that is what people are speculating it to be here because they are all wound up in being victimized by the elite them or that. i have not seen the movie but my understanding is that they are doing as little as possible to put blame on people or even offer solutions - they are just saying LOOK we have a problem - here is what it is. do you think it is the role of government to do X? if so, then you better figure out how to fund it. do you think it is right that the government has done Y? then do some research on how you are going to vote around Y in the future, etc. the movie has democrats, republicans, independents etc. in it.

one of the guys with real input to the movie (peterson had NONE. ZERO!) is addison wiggin - you can see his bio here. http://www.agorafinancial.com/addisonwiggin/addisonwiggin.html

as a side note, i like money as debt, it's a great tool. do note that it completes with a social credit approach though, not a free market but a different socialistic approach.

The point is that if Peterson is championing this movie it is not going to address the real cause of the problem. I agree with you about Money as Debt. It does point the finger where it needs to be pointed but offers a false solution. What I'm saying is that this movie is not likely to suggest eliminating the Fed. and reform our entire monetary system which is the only true solution to the problem. It's probably going to blame the visible puppet politicians as usual and promote the election of more lying puppets as the solution.

[dirknb@hotmail.com]

here is a guide from their site - http://www.iousathemovie.com/download/

the movie will basically be elaborating on that. if you want to make any supporting or constructive information available off of that then please do so. but reign in all the wild ideas i really don't want to walk out of this theater with my parents and have someone handing me a flier that has any mention whatsoever of a new world order, amero, nau, cfr, bilderburgs, etc.

Okay, I read through the guide. It is just as I suspected. There is no mention whatsoever of reforming our monetary system. It is just more smoke and mirrors. It's the same kind of shit so-called "conservatives" have been saying for many decades. It proposes typical mainstream busywork as the solution while totally ignoring the real cause of the problem.

The point is, we will NEVER get out of the mess we're in unless we reform the entire system. This movie is a typical establishment deflection. If it were a true threat to the root cause of the problem it would not be showing in theaters nationwide with a lot of fanfare.

[Ninja Homer]

Reposting what I wrote earlier in the hope that some of you will actually read it:

Peterson acquired the movie in July '08. Whether Peterson is a bad guy or not, he had no input on the production of this movie.

From what I've heard, IOUSA doesn't address solutions to the problem. It may not even address causes of the problem, but I'm not sure on that. The purpose of the movie is to inform people about how bad the financial problem is, and what that means to everybody.

The only problem I see is that Peterson could possibly, potentially, maybe use the movie as a spring board to offer a crappy solution to the problem... like the Amero. He also may do the complete opposite. Really, not all rich and powerful people are bad. We'll just have to keep an eye on it and see what happens.

In the mean time, we CFL'ers have that same opportunity... to use the movie to spread word and grow support on the REAL solution to the problem. We know all the places that IOUSA will be showing on its premiere, and it shouldn't be too hard to organize and hand out literature, DVD's, etc.

Here's the theater list for the premiere on 8/21/08. It's a big list, but covering all locations should be doable.
http://www.fathomevents.com/news/def...spx?newsid=144

[Soccrmastr]

does this film have a conservative or liberal leaning towards how the policy should be changed?

[Soccrmastr]

and can someone explain why this peterson guy is so bad? hes a fiscal conservative not a social conservative.

[mport1]

Everybody should wear Ron Paul gear when they go.

[Ninja Homer]

does this film have a conservative or liberal leaning towards how the policy should be changed?

It doesn't propose any specific changes, it just presents the problem.

[KenInMontiMN]

and can someone explain why this peterson guy is so bad? hes a fiscal conservative not a social conservative.

A few posts above some of his history was highlighted nicely, so its a good question where his motives/agenda may take this. That's why the panel should make for an interesting discussion, to see what he puts forward and how others there respond and treat that. Take it all in, then make up your minds. I've always had a lot of respect for Niskanen in particular for delivering honest assessments even when his conclusions ran counter to his organization's general consensus. I hope to see a lively and heated forum, and just on the entertainment value scale alone how good a would a forum be if everybody simply echoed one another's position?

[KenInMontiMN]

For example, I've been a member of the Republican Party since I was born. Does that make me a warmongering neocon even though those positions now the marque of this party?

Most of us don't want to find out, and are endlessly careful to maintain a polite and respectful demeanor in your court, madame chair. ;)

[dirknb@hotmail.com]

Reposting what I wrote earlier in the hope that some of you will actually read it:

Peterson acquired the movie in July '08. Whether Peterson is a bad guy or not, he had no input on the production of this movie.

True. But as I said, if he is championing this movie, it is no threat whatsoever to the status quo and the real cause of the problem.


From what I've heard, IOUSA doesn't address solutions to the problem. It may not even address causes of the problem, but I'm not sure on that. The purpose of the movie is to inform people about how bad the financial problem is, and what that means to everybody.

The only problem I see is that Peterson could possibly, potentially, maybe use the movie as a spring board to offer a crappy solution to the problem... like the Amero. He also may do the complete opposite. Really, not all rich and powerful people are bad. We'll just have to keep an eye on it and see what happens.

That is exactly what he and his cronies will do.


In the mean time, we CFL'ers have that same opportunity... to use the movie to spread word and grow support on the REAL solution to the problem. We know all the places that IOUSA will be showing on its premiere, and it shouldn't be too hard to organize and hand out literature, DVD's, etc.

Here's the theater list for the premiere on 8/21/08. It's a big list, but covering all locations should be doable.
http://www.fathomevents.com/news/def...spx?newsid=144

I already agreed with you there.

[sickmint79]

The point is that if Peterson is championing this movie it is not going to address the real cause of the problem. I agree with you about Money as Debt. It does point the finger where it needs to be pointed but offers a false solution. What I'm saying is that this movie is not likely to suggest eliminating the Fed. and reform our entire monetary system which is the only true solution to the problem. It's probably going to blame the visible puppet politicians as usual and promote the election of more lying puppets as the solution.

the movie is definitely not going to say to get rid of the fed, because i do not think the movie is going to even say get rid of social security. it's going to say social security is projected to cost a lot, we are not funding it. do you think we should tax heavily to fund it? do you think we should cut benefits? do you think we should do both? the answer to those questions are completely left up to the viewer. the movie is merely trying to make the viewer factually aware of the problem. the guys who actually made the movie tried to keep it free from politics, but themselves (agora financial) are quite austrian/libertarian.

again peterson had absolutely ZERO to do with the content of the movie. the prior cut was shown and won awards at sundance in 2007, peterson did not even purchase the movie until maybe a month ago. it was re-shot prior to purchase, only to enhance graphics in some scence and to add content to others, because what they predicted (housing stuff, credit crisis) was already coming to pass, so they had to update some parts of the flick.

[sickmint79]

Okay, I read through the guide. It is just as I suspected. There is no mention whatsoever of reforming our monetary system. It is just more smoke and mirrors. It's the same kind of shit so-called "conservatives" have been saying for many decades. It proposes typical mainstream busywork as the solution while totally ignoring the real cause of the problem.

The point is, we will NEVER get out of the mess we're in unless we reform the entire system. This movie is a typical establishment deflection. If it were a true threat to the root cause of the problem it would not be showing in theaters nationwide with a lot of fanfare.

the movie is about our debt problem and not designed to ignite a debate between schools of economics. i assure you the fed will be taking blame in the movie. addison / agora likes gold, dislikes the fed, greatly.

[sickmint79]

regarding the "real problem" - a commodity backed currency vs. a fiat currency - realistically do you think anything short of a major catastrophe will reverse this? paper money is here to stay until there is a full meltdown and serious pain among people. i was at a debate about the us adopting a gold standard at freedomfest this year and even the guy arguing for it agreed that it was completely unrealistic to expect one to be adopted any time soon, in any form.

[Rhys]

http://www.cfr.org/bios/257/peter_g_peterson.html

Quote:


Peter G. Peterson, Chairman, Council on Foreign Relations; Senior Chairman and Co-Founder, the Blackstone Group

Peter G. Peterson

Senior Chairman and Co-Founder, The Blackstone Group




Mr. Peterson is senior chairman and co-founder of The Blackstone Group, a private investment banking firm. He is founding president of The Concord Coalition, a bipartisan citizens group dedicated to fiscal responsibility, chairman of the Peterson Institute for International Economics, and former chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York. In government, he served as Assistant to the President for International Economic Affairs, Secretary of Commerce, and headed several commissions concerned with U.S. productivity and U.S.-Soviet economic relations. He has had extensive experience in the private sector, including as chairman and chief executive officer of Lehman Brothers and its successor company from 1973 to 1984, and chief executive officer of Bell and Howell from 1963 to 1971. He is the author of several books, including Running on Empty: How the Democratic and Republican Parties Are Bankrupting Our Future and What Americans Can Do About It and Gray Dawn: How the Coming Age Wave Will Transform America – and the World. He is based in New York, NY.
________

[MRoCkEd]

I'm skeptical as hell about this. Don Rasmussen said the movie doesn't offer solutions, but merely addresses the problem, and that the campaign for liberty will be working with David Walker's organization in some way. I don't know - I guess we will have to wait and see.

[Rhys]

That would be an excellent goodie to include in our "I.O.U.S.A: An Independent Commisson Report" which would be an effort of RPFs. Or perhaps we could entitle it: "I.O.U.S.A: A Viewer's Handbook to the REAL Solution"

that is something i could get behind. tell me if you need publishing and layout.

[gilliganscorner]

regarding the "real problem" - a commodity backed currency vs. a fiat currency - realistically do you think anything short of a major catastrophe will reverse this? paper money is here to stay until there is a full meltdown and serious pain among people. i was at a debate about the us adopting a gold standard at freedomfest this year and even the guy arguing for it agreed that it was completely unrealistic to expect one to be adopted any time soon, in any form.

We don't have to adopt it per se. All I would like to see is legal tender laws repealed and let people choose what they want to settle obligations. If they want to do it in steadily depreciating paper notes like FRNs, their call. If they want to settle in gold and silver, their call. If they want to settle in sea shells or yak dung, their call.

[LibertyEagle]

Reposting what I wrote earlier in the hope that some of you will actually read it:

Peterson acquired the movie in July '08. Whether Peterson is a bad guy or not, he had no input on the production of this movie.

From what I've heard, IOUSA doesn't address solutions to the problem. It may not even address causes of the problem, but I'm not sure on that. The purpose of the movie is to inform people about how bad the financial problem is, and what that means to everybody.

The only problem I see is that Peterson could possibly, potentially, maybe use the movie as a spring board to offer a crappy solution to the problem... like the Amero. He also may do the complete opposite. Really, not all rich and powerful people are bad. We'll just have to keep an eye on it and see what happens.

In the mean time, we CFL'ers have that same opportunity... to use the movie to spread word and grow support on the REAL solution to the problem. We know all the places that IOUSA will be showing on its premiere, and it shouldn't be too hard to organize and hand out literature, DVD's, etc.

Here's the theater list for the premiere on 8/21/08. It's a big list, but covering all locations should be doable.
http://www.fathomevents.com/news/def...spx?newsid=144

I agree with you, BTW. I also agree that we should capitalize on this movie and run ads in the theatre to direct them to CFL for solutions to the problem.

Who is going to head this up?

[gilliganscorner]

Reposting what I wrote earlier in the hope that some of you will actually read it:

Peterson acquired the movie in July '08. Whether Peterson is a bad guy or not, he had no input on the production of this movie.

From what I've heard, IOUSA doesn't address solutions to the problem. It may not even address causes of the problem, but I'm not sure on that. The purpose of the movie is to inform people about how bad the financial problem is, and what that means to everybody.

The only problem I see is that Peterson could possibly, potentially, maybe use the movie as a spring board to offer a crappy solution to the problem... like the Amero. He also may do the complete opposite. Really, not all rich and powerful people are bad. We'll just have to keep an eye on it and see what happens.

In the mean time, we CFL'ers have that same opportunity... to use the movie to spread word and grow support on the REAL solution to the problem. We know all the places that IOUSA will be showing on its premiere, and it shouldn't be too hard to organize and hand out literature, DVD's, etc.

Here's the theater list for the premiere on 8/21/08. It's a big list, but covering all locations should be doable.
http://www.fathomevents.com/news/def...spx?newsid=144

I agree with you as well. Fixed the link above http://tinyurl.com/5zbgh3

[gilliganscorner]

I agree with you, BTW. I also agree that we should capitalize on this movie and run ads in the theatre to direct them to CFL for solutions to the problem.

Who is going to head this up?

I think there is an effort to get the High Tide video injected into ads that run before movies. You can see that result here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e26FhQo_2JY

However, some might notice. Others might be grazing on their popcorn or hiding behind their 3 gallon Slurpie. When this movie is over and people with more than 3 synapses firing will be shitting themselves, I wonder how we can get their attention..

[sickmint79]

We don't have to adopt it per se. All I would like to see is legal tender laws repealed and let people choose what they want to settle obligations. If they want to do it in steadily depreciating paper notes like FRNs, their call. If they want to settle in gold and silver, their call. If they want to settle in sea shells or yak dung, their call.

i am pretty sure you can write a contract and settle it in any terms you wish.

[lucius]

I think there is an effort to get the High Tide video injected into ads that run before movies. You can see that result here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e26FhQo_2JY

However, some might notice. Others might be grazing on their popcorn or hiding behind their 3 gallon Slurpie. When this movie is over and people with more than 3 synapses firing will be shitting themselves, I wonder how we can get their attention..

I am thinking about handing out DVDs after the movie.

[gilliganscorner]

i am pretty sure you can write a contract and settle it in any terms you wish.

Roosevelt stole the gold from American citizens in 1933 and was illegal for Americans to own gold until 1975. This was OK of course, since Nixon closed the gold window in 1971.

However, allowing Americans to own gold did not repeal the Gold Clause Resolution, which meant that using gold as money to settle debts rendered the contract unenforceable, which meant that parties seeking redress in court over a dispute would have the case thrown out. I was not clear, this applied to gold only.

From http://tinyurl.com/bgx3w


During the American Civil War, the federal government was unable to pay its debts with gold or silver coin, so began to issue paper notes to pay its debts; when people refused to accept them in payment, Congress adopted the Legal Tender Act of 1862, compelling them to do so. Thus forced to accept federal notes, the recipients wanted to be able to use them to pay their own debts, and this led to litigation. The United States Supreme Court, with the support of judges recently appointed by President Ulysses S Grant, held that paper money can be legal tender, in the Legal Tender Cases, ranging from 1871 to 1884.

The United States Coinage Act of 1965 states (in part):

United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes and dues. Foreign gold or silver coins are not legal tender for debts.

31 U.S.C. § 5103.

So essentially, paper money was foisted upon people at the point of a gun. No one wanted to be left holding the bag of paper, so they wanted to ensure that they could shaft their neighbor by forcing everyone to accept them. "Hey, if I have to accept this shit, Hank has to accept this shit too!"

How far we've come....or not.

[Knightskye]

This will be on DVD, right?

[sickmint79]

Roosevelt stole the gold from American citizens in 1933 and was illegal for Americans to own gold until 1975. This was OK of course, since Nixon closed the gold window in 1971.

However, allowing Americans to own gold did not repeal the Gold Clause Resolution, which meant that using gold as money to settle debts rendered the contract unenforceable, which meant that parties seeking redress in court over a dispute would have the case thrown out. I was not clear, this applied to gold only.

From http://tinyurl.com/bgx3w



So essentially, paper money was foisted upon people at the point of a gun. No one wanted to be left holding the bag of paper, so they wanted to ensure that they could shaft their neighbor by forcing everyone to accept them. "Hey, if I have to accept this shit, Hank has to accept this shit too!"

How far we've come....or not.

i'm still pretty sure that if you and i sign a contract for you to mow my grass all summer for 20 oz of silver that the contract is enforceable. guess we'd need someone with law experience to comment fer sure...

[sickmint79]

This will be on DVD, right?

at some point yes.

[Alawn]

i'm still pretty sure that if you and i sign a contract for you to mow my grass all summer for 20 oz of silver that the contract is enforceable. guess we'd need someone with law experience to comment fer sure...

No. No matter what you are required to accept Federal Reserve notes. Courts will not make them pay in silver. All debts are payable in FNRs no matter what contracts you have entered into. That is the whole point of legal tender laws. You cannot say sorry I want real money. What they will do is look at the current price of silver and give you that much money in Federal Reserve Notes. If silver costs $20 per ounce they will tell them to pay you $400.

[gilliganscorner]

No. No matter what you are required to accept Federal Reserve notes. Courts will not make them pay in silver. All debts are payable in FNRs no matter what contracts you have entered into. That is the whole point of legal tender laws. You cannot say sorry I want real money. What they will do is look at the current price of silver and give you that much money in Federal Reserve Notes. If silver costs $20 per ounce they will tell them to pay you $400.

That is correct. Everything must be evaluated in terms of FRNs. Why? They have to have someway to levy the extortion fees (taxes) and steal the fruits of your labour for cutting the grass.

That was the whole point of fiat money. Authority needs you to accept the currency they print. They needed to enact legal tender laws and demand taxes from you in the form of "money" they issue, otherwise people would have boycotted Authoritys' form of money and traded with whatever free markets would dictate is money (most likely gold and silver).

When people argue, "Why is gold or silver different than paper money? I can't spend and earn the former in the market, and people will readily accept the latter (FRNs) everywhere! Gold and silver is a pain as I have to convert (sell) it for FRNs before it is useful."

The big difference is this:


Fiat is forced on actors in the market by Authority at the point of a gun. In otherwords, if you didn't use it (i.e. paying your taxes), the State would deploy the bad guys to your house and use violence to ensure you did (i.e. arrests, fines, terrorizing you and your family etc etc)
Gold and silver evolved as money as actors in a free market decided it did.


One represents enslavement, the other freedom.

Have a look here (http://www.liberty-watch.com/volume03/issue08/coverstory.php).

[SolusSLX]

I've made a thread with some ideas, does anyone want to try to help?
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=150395

[SolusSLX]

So how did the movie turn out?