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Liberty Star
07-27-2008, 11:56 PM
Normally I'm against collective punishment but following news reports and creative tools cited perhaps should be examined for possible application here. How about we demolish homes of and revoke citizenship of the whole family if a person of Hispanic, African-American, Arab, Indian or other non-White race commits certain serious crimes in America?

What is the argument against curbing serious crimes in America by using collective punishment and other creative enhanced racism techniques similar to what are being used against Christians and Muslims of Arab race in Holy Land?



Israelis Propose Laws To Punish Terrorists' Families

by Eric Westervelt


The attacks also have sparked some Israeli politicians to propose new laws and actions that would exact a higher price on the families of those who commit terrorist acts, including home demolitions and exclusion of social benefits.

Last week saw a lethal and bizarre attack in which an Arab construction worker from East Jerusalem with a criminal record and a history of drug abuse killed three people and wounded dozens in a bulldozer rampage in a busy stretch of West Jerusalem.

"If we have to destroy houses then we must do so, and if we have to stop their social benefits, we must do so," Olmert told attendees of an economic conference in Eilat soon after the attack.

Many Palestinians in Jerusalem say the Israeli reactions reek of vengeance and racism and have only reinforced their uneasiness living in a kind of political limbo between the West Bank Palestinians and Israel.





Jerusalem, 2 July (AKI) - The Israeli Knesset or parliament on Wednesday approved two bills enabling the authorities to revoke the citizenship of Israeli Arabs involved in terror activities, as well as that of their families.

Meanwhile, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert ordered ministers to examine the possibility of razing the militant's home and halting national insurance payments to the family.

The militant had no known affiliations with any Palestinian militant group.

The bill did not mention Jewish Israeli citizens losing their citizenship if they attacked Arabs.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92398760

http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=1.0.2305069663



For example, one such case from today's news where such collective punishment techniques could be used (provided suspect is not of White race):


2 dead in Tenn. church attack
July 27, 2008 21:30 EDT

KNOXVILLE, Tenn. (AP) -- A city official says a second victim has died following a shooting at the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville.

http://www.wlos.com/template/inews_wire/wires.national/3452bd3c-www.wlos.com.shtml


Or in case of this Arab Christian who was in the news recently:




40 Years Later, Sirhan Sirhan's Latest Mug Shot
RFK's Assassin Sirhan Sirhan Getting Old in Prison

By MARK MOONEY
June 10, 2008


http://a.abcnews.com/images/TheLaw/ht_mugs2_080610_mn.jpg

Sirhan was 24 when he shot RFK in the kitchen of the Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles. Tried and convicted, he was sentenced to death, a verdict that was later commuted to life in prison.

Sirhan claimed he killed Kennedy because he was angry over Kennedy's support for Israel. Sirhan was born in Jerusalem to Arab Christian parents who had moved to America when Sirhan was 12. The assassination occurred on the first anniversary of the Six Day War in which Israel had humiliated the combined armies of its Arab neighbors.




http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=5037471


Please offer your politically correct or incorrect views on this idea.

If some of our Christian fundies/extremists can support such collective punishment, racism techniques against Christians and Muslims of certain races living on the land where Jesus once walked, surely they can rally around use of similar enhanced techniques here?







Some recent news reports related to holy land:



Only God knows how Heaven/Hell placement would be decided for pro-racism Evangelical extremists like Pastor Hagee considering fanaticism and racism he preaches as evidenced 2:20 minutes into this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qNi7tPanUA


Civil rights group: Israel has reached new heights of racism

www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/932384.html


`Durban 2` anti-racism meeting to be held in Geneva

www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/987603.html


Forgive us our racism

www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/860025.html

Grimnir Wotansvolk
07-28-2008, 12:02 AM
As someone who works with and lives in close vicinity to a lot of illegal aliens, I'm a little sickened at the total lack of compassion that a lot of people here show to them. They're simply trying to make their way in an increasingly more strenuous existence. It's our government which is at fault for it's negligence in the matter, not people who've taken opportunities where they see them.

And the thought of basing policies on anything Israel does is equally as deplorable.

I hope your comment about collective punishment for aliens was sarcastic.

Liberty Star
07-28-2008, 12:11 AM
Yes, above post was an attempt at sarcasm.

I don't think we would have very differing views on compassion issue. BTW, I did not mention 'alien' anywhere in above post, that post refers to collective punishment for fellow Americans of certain races.

Liberty Star
07-28-2008, 10:46 AM
Only God knows how Heaven/Hell placement would be decided for pro-racism Evangelical extremists like Pastor Hagee considering fanaticism and racism he preaches as evidenced 2:20 minutes into this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qNi7tPanUA



Some recent news reports from holy land:



Civil rights group: Israel has reached new heights of racism

www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/932384.html


`Durban 2` anti-racism meeting to be held in Geneva

www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/987603.html


Forgive us our racism

www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/860025.html