Bad News from Nevada

[pauletteNV]

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Bad news from Nevada
Posted July 25th, 2008 by rhino
Saying internal party disputes are best left to political parties and not judges, Washoe District Judge Jerry Polaha rejected a lawsuit by a group of disaffected Republicans trying to get to the party's national convention.

The group of about 20 national delegates elected at an insurgent convention of Ron Paul supporters earlier this summer were attempting to halt the Nevada Republican Party from appointing a slate to the national convention during a private conference call scheduled for this afternoon.

But the party's lawyer, David O'Mara, successfully argued that courts do not have the jurisdiction to interfere with a political party's constitutional right to make its own rules and decide its own delegates.

Polaha agreed. He also argued that the breakaway Republicans don't know yet whether they will be included on the party's eventual slate and that the party has mechanisms to resolve disputes.

"They could sit down and say, 'Look what's happening to us,'" Polaha said of the party's scheduled meeting this afternoon. "'We thought the Democrats had problems.'"

Sparks dentist Wayne Terhune, who filed the lawsuit, said he hasn't decided yet whether to appeal.

[acptulsa]

Damn!

[Join The Paul Side]

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But the party's lawyer, David O'Mara, successfully argued that courts do not have the jurisdiction to interfere with a political party's constitutional right to make its own rules and decide its own delegates.


Well would you look at that. That Constitution thingy is all good as long as it helps the neocons get what they want. But when it comes to us little people, they act like it's value is equal to toilet paper. :(

[xRedfoxx]

This why we need to stay involved, slowly work our way into leadership positions, and when we know we have the majority, slam the door on them. What goes around, comes around. Keep good notes...we'll need them in four years. Keep your heads up folks. This is no sprint, but a marathon!!

I actually smile when I read these stories, because I know what they have coming, and for me, it's a pretty sight!!

[SnappleLlama]

Wtf!!!

[AJ Antimony]

If the Republican party is breaking state LAW by hand picking a slate... APPEAL THAT SHIT!

[AdamT]

What this ultimately boils down to is the GOP can break all their own rules, as often as they like, and can not be held accountable? I'd say their credibility as a "respectable" organization is on the line big time, as if it wasn't already....bastards.

[Sandra]

Making rules is not the issue. Breaking the rules that were made is the issue and the judge can rule over that.


If the Republican party is breaking state LAW by hand picking a slate... APPEAL THAT SHIT!

+1000

[Knightskye]

If the Republican party is breaking state LAW by hand picking a slate... APPEAL THAT SHIT!

Yes.

[Isaac Bickerstaff]

At the Minnesota convention they threatened us with the FEC, claiming that we were interfering with a national election by distributing Ron Paul friendly material. Take the NV matter to the FEC.
We've known for years that judges are as worthless as the politicians that appoint them.

[acptulsa]

At the Minnesota convention they threatened us with the FEC, claiming that we were interfering with a national election by distributing Ron Paul friendly material. Take the NV matter to the FEC.
We've known for years that judges are as worthless as the politicians that appoint them.

The FEC doesn't really represent an improvement, however. If it did, McCain would probably be in Leavenworth now.

[pauletteNV]

Here's a little reading material which might fit.... Any comments?

Read this or lose every court case!

http://www.barefootsworld.net/sui_juris/sui_juris.html

[AJ Antimony]

We've known for years that judges are as worthless as the politicians that appoint them.

Not necessarily. The courts aren't that bad because as has been shown many times, judges don't always rule with their political ideology. Conservative judges don't always rule conservative. Liberals not always liberal. This is how we got two pro-Constitution Supreme Court decisions with the pro-habeas corpus decision and the pro-2nd amendment decision.

[syborius]

FFFFF this, get a sympathetic appellate court judge to put in a temporary injunction because of the severity of the matter, at least for the time being, failure to do that will be an absolute shame.

[fr33domfightr]

I think the decision should be appealled, AND taken to the FEC. The PEOPLE of Nevada, and the country for that matter, need to know the results of this every step of the way. They need to know what the Republican Party is about.


FF

[devil21]

Kinda saw this coming. Judges are on the same team as the defendants. I agree, file an immediate appeal. If the appeals court overturns, its a big blow for the GOP because it can then be cited as case law in other cases. A district judge's ruling means nothing. Appeal it!!

ETA: Does anyone know if it was dismissed with or without prejudice?

[ItsTime]

Sue the GOP for damages. They wasted the time and money of the delegates....

[RPTXState]

Any idea what the number to the NVGOP's conference call is?

[pepperpete1]

I was afraid this would happen. Actually, there has been no law broken UNTIL the executive committee actually does submit a slate of national delegates. They only said they were going to do it. After they do submit the list, may be a good time to bring up the point of law in court.

[brandon]

As much as I want the NVGOP to suffer for there actions, I agree that political parties are PRIVATE organizations, and can do wtf they want.

[Jamsie 567]

Fight it don't give up!!

[tron paul]

(Knowingly) inducing people to waste their time and money, under false pretenses and for the benefit of the defrauders, is not legal. And that's what happened in Reno!

All those that wasted their time and money going to Reno under color of quorum should file civil suits, to recover their expenses, against those that falsely represented the purpose of the convention.

You'd just have to prove that the McCain people had planned the walk out ahead of time, yet allowed the farce to continue until they were sure they were losing.

Also, alternates should sue those cut-and-runners that wouldn't surrender their badges to their districts' alternates.

[Malakai]

This is rediculous. Considering the 2 major parties have a total monopoly of political power in the US backed by the media and other indusries, the courts should step in and make them play fair.

But of course this is all be design. A major part of the government we have (the 2 partys and their structure) are both not elected and not bound by any rules whatsoever. In theory you could just vote the party out, not in brainwashed propoganda USA though.

Also this 'insurgent campaign' spin is crap as we well know. Delegates were elected by the people, they should be going, end of story.

[pauletteNV]

When the NV GOP issued the information on the convention to elected delegates from the counties, there was a charge. If it is a foregone conclusion that McCain delegates only must attend...when McCain came in third in this State behind Romney (1st, who at that time has suspended) and Ron Paul (2nd), doesn't that reek of manipulation making the convention little more than a fundraiser. Why go to any of the political conventions if it is the RNC in DC who decides the candidate. I say, each and every time, it must be the complete process done in parlimentary fashion and the delegates, not the party, who nominates the candidate. This heavy-handedness is simply replacing the old with more of the same and since this country is headed into a huge hole fast...we must do everything we can to stand up to the dictates of the RNC, imo.

[LawDawg]

At the Minnesota convention they threatened us with the FEC, claiming that we were interfering with a national election by distributing Ron Paul friendly material. Take the NV matter to the FEC.
We've known for years that judges are as worthless as the politicians that appoint them.

Wait you think an agency such as the FEC is less political than judges......ummm I'm not seein it.

[speciallyblend]

in the end it's still great news for us and bad news for the gop, it shows they are unethical liars and are corrupt,so in the end we win no matter what the pathetic nvgop trys;) good work anyway , its the gop that is the true losers by their own actions, keep pushing forward;)

[James Gragg]

The FEC "problem" is that there is not enough "members" on the commision to form a qurom in order to cite ANYBODY for ANY "violatins." Guess "who" is "responsible" to "appoint" those members to that commitee? The "Nevada situation" is going to make the activities in Menniapolis very tentious at best. Any more of these blaint disregards for "LAW" prior to the convention "could" ignite a powderkeg. That could be the entire motivation behing all of this. BE CAREFUL!!!

[crazyfacedjenkins]

This why we need to stay involved, slowly work our way into leadership positions, and when we know we have the majority, slam the door on them. What goes around, comes around. Keep good notes...we'll need them in four years. Keep your heads up folks. This is no sprint, but a marathon!!

I actually smile when I read these stories, because I know what they have coming, and for me, it's a pretty sight!!

You're living a fucking fantasy. When you have a country that's full of stupid, unenlightened shitheads, nothing is going to change. It's only going to get worse. If you could turn this country around with a small minority, IT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!

[crazyfacedjenkins]

in the end it's still great news for us and bad news for the gop, it shows they are unethical liars and are corrupt,so in the end we win no matter what the pathetic nvgop trys;) good work anyway , its the gop that is the true losers by their own actions, keep pushing forward;)

What are you talking about? This kind of shit has already happened in previous NV GOP conventions and nothing changed. It appears to have only gotten WORSE! Please explain what you mean by "we win." This isn't grade school where you can just tattle on someone when they aren't playing fair.

[crazyfacedjenkins]

This is rediculous. Considering the 2 major parties have a total monopoly of political power in the US backed by the media and other indusries, the courts should step in and make them play fair.

But of course this is all be design. A major part of the government we have (the 2 partys and their structure) are both not elected and not bound by any rules whatsoever. In theory you could just vote the party out, not in brainwashed propoganda USA though.

Also this 'insurgent campaign' spin is crap as we well know. Delegates were elected by the people, they should be going, end of story.

They aren't just brainwashed, they are brain dead. American's are fucking stupid, just take a look at what they've done to this once beautiful landscape. Malls, trailer parks and Mount Rushmore just to name a few disgraceful things.

[crazyfacedjenkins]

As much as I want the NVGOP to suffer for there actions, I agree that political parties are PRIVATE organizations, and can do wtf they want.

Not really, our taxes pay for their elections.

[scandinaviany3]

At the Minnesota convention they threatened us with the FEC, claiming that we were interfering with a national election by distributing Ron Paul friendly material. Take the NV matter to the FEC.
We've known for years that judges are as worthless as the politicians that appoint them.

nothing would happen before the election is over...they delay all reviews before elections until after the election

[brooklyn]

It has been a battle every step of the way, and while we hoped for fairness from the courts, it pretty much went the way we expected it would go.
Its on to phase two, the battle continues- there are other avenues to pursue and explore here in Nevada and Wash. before St.Paul.
We are not done. We are not finished. We are still here. We won't lay down and go away. we haven't lost sight of the big picture either.
There are a host of freedom loving, Constitution supporting people running for office here in Nevada and they are getting support from this movement.
One office at a time if it has to be, but we will keep the goal in sight and the message in our hearts.

[LibertyInJeopardy]

Party rules are a contract among party members, are they not? If some members violate that contract by ignoring the rules could they not be considered to be in breach of contract or at least their actions invalidated by the terms of their contract?

Is there some rule that allows them to select their own slate? Are there conditions that must occur before they can do that? Are there no other cases in history where the courts have forced the parties to adhere to their own rules?

[IPSecure]

Private Organizations can do what they want...

- Private Prisons... Link (http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/press/information/news.aspx?id=20318)
- Boy Scouts... Link
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boy_Scouts_of_America_membership_controversies)
Look at the trend in 'Privatization (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privatization)' - Private Nation?
It has been claimed that the term was first used in 1930s by The Economist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist) in covering German economic policy.

So, the corrupt 'private parties' will elect corrupt 'leaders'...

How are private organizations allowed to select the President?

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Bad news from Nevada
Posted July 25th, 2008 by rhino
Saying internal party disputes are best left to political parties and not judges, Washoe District Judge Jerry Polaha rejected a lawsuit by a group of disaffected Republicans trying to get to the party's national convention.

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those lower-level "judges" seem to routinely pull these stunts in order to shift responsibility and thwart justice. the remedy is to appeal, but that is very expensive and few are able to continue. getting true justice has become increasingly difficult if not impossible in this country..... woe is us!

lynn

[Menthol Patch]

The neocons are pure and utter scum.

[angelatc]

I agree that lower level judges don't want the responsibility.

This is election law and is very important to the integrity of the elctions. I think he should appeal.